Two or three big clubs looking at him so Celtic have done slapped that valuation on.
I know it's gone,past, dead and buried now but manipulation - cleverly no doubt - done us out of a big payday.
We did pretty much the the same with PSG when getting Dembele as Celtic did to us. Yes he was younger, but he was still one of the brightest striking prospects in Europe. Hell, we signed Roberts from AFC Wimbledon for practically nothing and sold him for what could amount to £12million. We do it to smaller clubs than us, and bigger clubs will do it to us.
That's football guys!
I think we did pretty well on the Smalling deal too.
We could have sold him with a year to go on his contract. We wouldn't have got much for him. He had only 2 goals in the League Cup to his name at that time. However we could then have had a sell-on clause.
Instead we chose to keep him, knowing that, unless he signed a new contract during the season, we would lose him at the end of the season for nothing more than statutory compensation. We were not able to convince him to stay (a number of supporters didn't want him to) but we did get 15 goals out of him.
With the benefit of hindsight we might have made a greater effort to get him to extend. Who knows what the details of any offer were? But those 15 goals may have saved us from relegation. How much would that be worth?
I think him and his agent are smart cookies and wouldnt be surprised if he had a minimum release clause in his contract for champion league clubs and it wont be 40m.
40 million, no way they will get near that for him..
Has he done all that well anyway ? He may have scored a few for Celtic but the standard of that league is questionable. I reckon you are taking a bit of a chance if you spend big bucks on him at the moment.
...but Celtic are a very big fish, albeit in a very small pond, and that alone still adds authority to the overpriced....er..well,.. price.
£40 million, your avin a laff.
Quote from: cmg on October 31, 2016, 07:17:13 PM
We were not able to convince him to stay (a number of supporters didn't want him to)
Ain't it the truth?
We're never going to know what might have been had Dembele stayed at Craven Cottage, and so what's done is done. Given the ridiculous amounts of money changing hands for pretty ordinary players I'd say Celtic will probably get what they are asking for. I only hope, for the game's sake, he develops all the talent he has as he matures. Time will tell.
He's look great playing for Celtic, even if it is an easier league in many ways. It's very physical and competitive, but probably more space for a striker, and less technically capable defenders.
Who can blame Celtic for cashing in - they probably need the money.
AS said, he wanted out, after doing an essential job for us with his goals, and quite a few fans, it seemed, were glad to see him go.
I hope he continues to do well in his career.
And Celtic was an ideal move for him. High profile but less demanding than other top leagues.
Celtic are not renowned as lavish payers so I doubt that his wages are a great deal more than he might have got had he stayed with us, but, as they did not have to fork out to obtain him, no doubt he got a nice signing on package.
What he does get is to play in front of nigh-on 60,000 passionate fans in one of the great stadiums. Practically guaranteed silverware. European football. And a great shop window for his next move which will be the big one for him. (Back to PSG?)
Quote from: The Road Less Travelled on October 31, 2016, 06:49:32 PM
We did pretty much the the same with PSG when getting Dembele as Celtic did to us. Yes he was younger, but he was still one of the brightest striking prospects in Europe. Hell, we signed Roberts from AFC Wimbledon for practically nothing and sold him for what could amount to £12million. We do it to smaller clubs than us, and bigger clubs will do it to us.
We got Roberts for exactly nothing from AFC
Wimbledon
At the time Wimbledon didn't have an academy and their teams were just like any grass roots teams playing in the Surrey a Youth League
So poor old Wimbledon never got a penny for Roberts
Smart move for him but that doesn't make it any easier to accept from our point of view.
Quote from: Southfield White on November 01, 2016, 11:59:47 AM
Quote from: The Road Less Travelled on October 31, 2016, 06:49:32 PM
We did pretty much the the same with PSG when getting Dembele as Celtic did to us. Yes he was younger, but he was still one of the brightest striking prospects in Europe. Hell, we signed Roberts from AFC Wimbledon for practically nothing and sold him for what could amount to £12million. We do it to smaller clubs than us, and bigger clubs will do it to us.
So poor old Wimbledon never got a penny for Roberts
And some of them are incredibly bitter about it...!
Quote from: CottagersOnTour on November 02, 2016, 09:39:03 AM
Quote from: Southfield White on November 01, 2016, 11:59:47 AM
Quote from: The Road Less Travelled on October 31, 2016, 06:49:32 PM
We did pretty much the the same with PSG when getting Dembele as Celtic did to us. Yes he was younger, but he was still one of the brightest striking prospects in Europe. Hell, we signed Roberts from AFC Wimbledon for practically nothing and sold him for what could amount to £12million. We do it to smaller clubs than us, and bigger clubs will do it to us.
So poor old Wimbledon never got a penny for Roberts
And some of them are incredibly bitter about it...!
Their fans maybe but not people at their academy.
They know they were unlucky, another year and their academy would of been in place and they may of got something from Fulham.
But Fulham were under no entitlement to give AFC anything.
No sour grapes at all but you can't help thinking the system is flawed. Can't blame the player for getting the best he can for himself but when a side has nurtured a young talent over a number of years and he runs his contract down surely there should be some sell on clause in his new contract that enables the academy side to at least get a percentage of any sale fee within the same time period he was at the academy club. It would also stop a player feeling that he has let his previous club down knowing that if he gets sold on (and so many do now) within the 3 years or so he was at the academy club they would get some share in the profit. OK I know that assumes they give a toss but I'm sure many actually do appreciate what has been done for them.
Quote from: Beamer on November 02, 2016, 03:08:34 PM
No sour grapes at all but you can't help thinking the system is flawed. Can't blame the player for getting the best he can for himself but when a side has nurtured a young talent over a number of years and he runs his contract down surely there should be some sell on clause in his new contract that enables the academy side to at least get a percentage of any sale fee within the same time period he was at the academy club. It would also stop a player feeling that he has let his previous club down knowing that if he gets sold on (and so many do now) within the 3 years or so he was at the academy club they would get some share in the profit. OK I know that assumes they give a toss but I'm sure many actually do appreciate what has been done for them.
The club got compensation
No as much money as they would of got if they had realised earlier what a good player he would become and offered him a longer contract before he even made the first team
Only later did they offer him a decent contract but the damage was done
Despite many of the players falling of the radar, I would still consider our Dallas Cup squad of 2013 as the best pool of young players we have ever seen. But how many of these we have poached from other clubs?
Woodrow- Luton
Tankovic- IFK Norrköping (16)
Ryan Williams- Portsmouth (19)
LVC- FC Midtjylland (18)
Emerson Hyndman- FC Dallas (15)
Jack Grimmer- Aberdeen (18)
George Williams- MK Dons (17)
I pretty much agree with everything on this board but a question? Our club management have been very remiss in this instance and others - why do they not see the bigger picture? Sign potential up well in advance etc. Frankly, what do they do all day?
Rigg and his cohorts including the computer techies must all be on part time contracts as nothing ever seems to happen and they miss the boat time after time.
I despair frankly.
Quote from: Southfield White on November 02, 2016, 03:16:30 PM
Quote from: Beamer on November 02, 2016, 03:08:34 PM
No sour grapes at all but you can't help thinking the system is flawed. Can't blame the player for getting the best he can for himself but when a side has nurtured a young talent over a number of years and he runs his contract down surely there should be some sell on clause in his new contract that enables the academy side to at least get a percentage of any sale fee within the same time period he was at the academy club. It would also stop a player feeling that he has let his previous club down knowing that if he gets sold on (and so many do now) within the 3 years or so he was at the academy club they would get some share in the profit. OK I know that assumes they give a toss but I'm sure many actually do appreciate what has been done for them.
The club got compensation
No as much money as they would of got if they had realised earlier what a good player he would become and offered him a longer contract before he even made the first team
Only later did they offer him a decent contract but the damage was done
Compensation of c.£350k because he went 'abroad', would have been 3-5mill had he gone to an English club - doesn't really seem that equitable.
Quote from: Beamer on November 02, 2016, 06:08:51 PM
Quote from: Southfield White on November 02, 2016, 03:16:30 PM
Quote from: Beamer on November 02, 2016, 03:08:34 PM
No sour grapes at all but you can't help thinking the system is flawed. Can't blame the player for getting the best he can for himself but when a side has nurtured a young talent over a number of years and he runs his contract down surely there should be some sell on clause in his new contract that enables the academy side to at least get a percentage of any sale fee within the same time period he was at the academy club. It would also stop a player feeling that he has let his previous club down knowing that if he gets sold on (and so many do now) within the 3 years or so he was at the academy club they would get some share in the profit. OK I know that assumes they give a toss but I'm sure many actually do appreciate what has been done for them.
The club got compensation
No as much money as they would of got if they had realised earlier what a good player he would become and offered him a longer contract before he even made the first team
Only later did they offer him a decent contract but the damage was done
Compensation of c.£350k because he went 'abroad', would have been 3-5mill had he gone to an English club - doesn't really seem that equitable.
Who told you we'd of got "3-5mil"?
We wouldn't of got no where near that even if he had gone to an English club
Quote from: Southfield White on November 02, 2016, 06:51:51 PM
Quote from: Beamer on November 02, 2016, 06:08:51 PM
Quote from: Southfield White on November 02, 2016, 03:16:30 PM
Quote from: Beamer on November 02, 2016, 03:08:34 PM
No sour grapes at all but you can't help thinking the system is flawed. Can't blame the player for getting the best he can for himself but when a side has nurtured a young talent over a number of years and he runs his contract down surely there should be some sell on clause in his new contract that enables the academy side to at least get a percentage of any sale fee within the same time period he was at the academy club. It would also stop a player feeling that he has let his previous club down knowing that if he gets sold on (and so many do now) within the 3 years or so he was at the academy club they would get some share in the profit. OK I know that assumes they give a toss but I'm sure many actually do appreciate what has been done for them.
The club got compensation
No as much money as they would of got if they had realised earlier what a good player he would become and offered him a longer contract before he even made the first team
Only later did they offer him a decent contract but the damage was done
Compensation of c.£350k because he went 'abroad', would have been 3-5mill had he gone to an English club - doesn't really seem that equitable.
Who told you we'd of got "3-5mil"?
We wouldn't of got no where near that even if he had gone to an English club
Have a look at the tribunal decisions on a number of others in similar positions, remembering how much a proven (although still raw) Championship striker can fetch.
