Is why we ain't going up this season!
But its an improvement on recent seasons and the football is more enjoyable !
Maybe why we will go up, spirit is important.
We did collapse, but we did fight back. Im conflicted. I sure hope its resilience and not just luck.
Tremendous to come back from 4-3 down after being two goals up, with minutes to go.
Well done lads.
Could I please add that Rotherham just beat QPR
Bogey ground,would have taken point at start.
Bugger. yes, oh great, brilliant, blast, oh hell, sod off, hurrah.
A typical day with Fulham.
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on December 10, 2016, 04:55:24 PM
Is why we ain't going up this season!
But its an improvement on recent seasons and the football is more enjoyable !
Yes and it could be an exciting and interesting battle to hold a mid table position with some of the top teams in for a surprise when they play us.
Thought we had a problem in attack but nine goals in two games tells a different story. Of course we would have benefitted more from a couple of boring 1-0 wins.
....is a decent away point.
Decent point I suppose, on paper.
But I'm with the OP here. Positives, sure, but they had lost 4 in a row at home and were 3-1 down. Name another team in the playoff spots or above who would have bottled that?
We might well be hovering around the top 6 this season, but if you don't beat 20th from 3-1 up then you just can't hope to go up.
good away point and the goal drought seems to be over.....for now at least 075.gif
The usual, lily-livered nonsense by fickle Fulham fans on the Match Day Thread, like :
"Hope we haven't sat back and thought We'd won it at half time." This was at 2-3. Does any professional team think like that ?
Wolves were bound to come back after HT and they were the home team, remember. It's like, "We shouldn't concede from set pieces" - yet we expect to score from them !!!
It's football. Teams win and teams lose. They also draw.
Tempted to re-post my "Why do we keep doing this?" from same time last week but can't be bothered.
Drink is the answer.
Is the Gin cellar open?
In the Championship any team can beat any team. Yes losing a two goal lead is frustrating but snatching a draw at the end is a point won.
We had more of the ball and more shots on and off target. But we never play two good halves and we are always slow to react to oppositions change of tactics. A point won.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on December 10, 2016, 05:16:19 PM
The usual, lily-livered nonsense by fickle Fulham fans on the Match Day Thread, like :
"Hope we haven't sat back and thought We'd won it at half time." This was at 2-3. Does any professional team think like that ?
Wolves were bound to come back after HT and they were the home team, remember. It's like, "We shouldn't concede from set pieces" - yet we expect to score from them !!!
It's football. Teams win and teams lose. They also draw.
Excellent point!
Nogood "the bottling so often happens in the armchair, see" Boyo
Lots of sides sit back and switch off when they think they have done enough.
To answer your question.
Quote from: RaySmith on December 10, 2016, 05:03:10 PM
Tremendous to come back from 4-3 down after being two goals up, with minutes to go.
Well done lads.
I like this point too.
Nogood "are you the Ray Smith from a great early seventies band called Heads, Hands & Feet" Boyo
I think we should be more ambitious and see it as points dropped. Because, well, we threw away three points to scrape one at the end.
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 10, 2016, 05:06:08 PM
Bugger. yes, oh great, brilliant, blast, oh hell, sod off, hurrah.
A typical day with Fulham.
I like this one too. No histricalionics. Just the facts (oops, not a good choice of word in a forum of opinions).
Nogood "shining the spot-light on a stormy sea, see" Boyo
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 10, 2016, 05:21:55 PM
I think we should be more ambitious and see it as points dropped. Because, well, we threw away three points to scrape one at the end.
Poker,would you rather they won 4-3 then,of course you wouldn't.
One for the memory banks, must have been great entertainment for those in attendance.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 10, 2016, 05:25:20 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on December 10, 2016, 05:21:55 PM
I think we should be more ambitious and see it as points dropped. Because, well, we threw away three points to scrape one at the end.
Poker,would you rather they won 4-3 then,of course you wouldn't.
No, of course not. But that's not the point I'm making.
I'd rather we were strong enough not to throw away a comfortable lead against a side on atrocious form.
Wolves have beaten Newcastle, Birmingham and Reading this season. They're not a bad team, they're inconsistent.
One game isn't why we will or won't go up. We've got a much stronger mentality this season, and talk of bottling is pretty short of the mark. If we were bottlers we wouldn't have come back to get a point today, or against Sheff Weds, or against Norwich.
One of the Wolves based journalists tweets suggested the first half was ours but with Wolves defensive awfulness and the second half was more open but relatively balanced with both teams having chances, and spells of dominance and that we looked more likely to get a winner before they got their fourth.
There's definitely room for improvement, but we're not woeful or in need of a complete overhaul. We could have done with a striking option on the bench though, but that's old news.
These things happen,always a bogey ground,maybe were destined not to win there.
Meh. It's always better this way than the other way round. When you've reconciled yourself to a defeat after conceding a time-added-on goal, then a draw becomes more palatable. Fifth and sixth places seemed destined to be up for grabs for the rest of the season and we are as well equipped as any of those in contention.
Quote from: The Road Less Travelled on December 10, 2016, 05:32:55 PM
Wolves have beaten Newcastle, Birmingham and Reading this season. They're not a bad team, they're inconsistent.
One game isn't why we will or won't go up. We've got a much stronger mentality this season, and talk of bottling is pretty short of the mark. If we were bottlers we wouldn't have come back to get a point today, or against Sheff Weds, or against Norwich.
One of the Wolves based journalists tweets suggested the first half was ours but with Wolves defensive awfulness and the second half was more open but relatively balanced with both teams having chances, and spells of dominance and that we looked more likely to get a winner before they got their fourth.
There's definitely room for improvement, but we're not woeful or in need of a complete overhaul. We could have done with a striking option on the bench though, but that's old news.
Nogood "A reasonable point then, isit" Boyo
On match day thread someone said at 3-1 we are currently in sixth place as it stands..Every time these sorts of statements come out it back fires..lol
I have watched their fourth goal twice and still don't know how it went in.
I think we should be more ambitious and see it as points dropped. Because, well, we threw away three points to scrape one at the end.
Poker,would you rather they won 4-3 then,of course you wouldn't.
No, of course not. But that's not the point I'm making.
I'd rather we were strong enough not to throw away a comfortable lead against a side on atrocious form.
I'm with you on this one Poker Matt!!
Quote from: The Road Less Travelled on December 10, 2016, 05:32:55 PM
Wolves have beaten Newcastle, Birmingham and Reading this season. They're not a bad team, they're inconsistent.
One game isn't why we will or won't go up. We've got a much stronger mentality this season, and talk of bottling is pretty short of the mark. If we were bottlers we wouldn't have come back to get a point today, or against Sheff Weds, or against Norwich.
One of the Wolves based journalists tweets suggested the first half was ours but with Wolves defensive awfulness and the second half was more open but relatively balanced with both teams having chances, and spells of dominance and that we looked more likely to get a winner before they got their fourth.
There's definitely room for improvement, but we're not woeful or in need of a complete overhaul. We could have done with a striking option on the bench though, but that's old news.
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Quote from: PokerMatt on December 10, 2016, 05:11:56 PM
Decent point I suppose, on paper.
But I'm with the OP here. Positives, sure, but they had lost 4 in a row at home and were 3-1 down. Name another team in the playoff spots or above who would have bottled that?
We might well be hovering around the top 6 this season, but if you don't beat 20th from 3-1 up then you just can't hope to go up.
how about QPR
It may be disappointing we didn't win, but as someone else on here said, any team can beat any other in the Championship.
I'm confident we're good enough to still be in the mix at the end of the season but if we don't go up, I won't be too heartbroken - this is a bloody exciting division to be in!
I'm not being fickle and I'm not saying we bottled it, far from it !
I'm also not saying I expect the likes of Wolves to lie down and let us cruise through the second half.
But I am saying any team that achieves promotion needs to play with more control and win games like today's more often than not, and at present we are dropping too many unnecessary points. Not through lack of ability but lack of game management and trying to control periods of the game better
But hay ho ! We have grown from being a joke to a very decent and attractive team in 20 games this season.
Can I please reiterate Rotherham just turned QPR ovet
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on December 10, 2016, 06:26:42 PM
Can I please reiterate Rotherham just turned QPR ovet
That's nice but irrelevant.
I agree its a competitive league and all that but all I'm interested in is our teams performances and results.
In today's game it wasn't like H'field and Reading surrendering to a mid table team (us) and looking a shadow of their previous self's, we played well today (again) and didn't come home with 3 points due to not capitalising on our possession and winning position (again).
Yes there will be times when things don't go our way but we are too soft at present and its a flaw in the team that needs attending to.
Quote from: Lighthouse on December 10, 2016, 05:06:08 PM
Bugger. yes, oh great, brilliant, blast, oh hell, sod off, hurrah.
A typical day with Fulham.
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Wolves position in the table is misleading, Their attack is top 6 quality but their defence is absolutely dreadful, League 1 quality imo.
I was there and a few points I thought (sorry if they've been mentioned)
We played a ridiculously high line against a team who were intent on pumping it over our heads. Really don't know why this wasn't sorted at HT and just hit them on the counter.
Button gave one of the worst performances from a keeper I've seen live. Everything was terrible. Beytinelli has to start against Rotherham.
Taking Aluko off st 3-2 was a mistake, as the guy in front of me said: donit at 3-1 or not at all. Invited pressure onto us.
Martin couldn't get anything to stick. Buttons kicks could be to blame in fairness.
Cairney plays well when we're playing well. As soon as they got it to 3-2 his head dropped. You could just tell they were going to equalise and more!
His goal was unbelievable though and for a neutral, would've been a great spectacle!
We were looking down the barrel of a defeat, against a team with very good quality in attack, but we got a point.
Though, of course, no team should throw away a two goal half -time lead, and we still have problems defending, but you have to give the team credit for managing a last minute draw on the day.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on December 10, 2016, 05:16:19 PM
The usual, lily-livered nonsense by fickle Fulham fans on the Match Day Thread, like :
"Hope we haven't sat back and thought We'd won it at half time." This was at 2-3. Does any professional team think like that ?
Wolves were bound to come back after HT and they were the home team, remember. It's like, "We shouldn't concede from set pieces" - yet we expect to score from them !!!
It's football. Teams win and teams lose. They also draw.
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I reckon if Newcastle was away and drew 4-4 their fans would be right behind the team - not calling them bottlers or attempting to find scapegoats!
Unfortunately on here we win - everyone goes mad, we lose - many go mental and now even an away draw against a bogey side - many loose the plot!
Quote from: The Road Less Travelled on December 10, 2016, 05:32:55 PM
Wolves have beaten Newcastle, Birmingham and Reading this season. They're not a bad team, they're inconsistent.
And that's the problem with us too.
However, frustrating as it was I'll take a point all day long. I think Wolves fans will be more upset than us with the final result. Last season we would have left with nothing.
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Quote from: Fulham1959 on December 10, 2016, 05:16:19 PM
The usual, lily-livered nonsense by fickle Fulham fans on the Match Day Thread, like :
"Hope we haven't sat back and thought We'd won it at half time." This was at 2-3. Does any professional team think like that ?
Wolves were bound to come back after HT and they were the home team, remember. It's like, "We shouldn't concede from set pieces" - yet we expect to score from them !!!
It's football. Teams win and teams lose. They also draw.
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I reckon if Newcastle was away and drew 4-4 their fans would be right behind the team - not calling them bottlers or attempting to find scapegoats!
Unfortunately on here we win - everyone goes mad, we lose - many go mental and now even an away draw against a bogey side - many loose the plot!
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Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on December 10, 2016, 04:55:24 PM
Is why we ain't going up this season!
But its an improvement on recent seasons and the football is more enjoyable !
I think more accurately it highlights that we are not a top 2 team... Not that anyone was claiming we were but this kind of thing happens to teams not dominating the league.
If anything the fightback to still get a point makes me happy we will be in the mix for a playoff spot come end of the season. But definitely still 2 points dropped from where we were at the break
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on December 10, 2016, 06:51:14 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on December 10, 2016, 06:26:42 PM
Can I please reiterate Rotherham just turned QPR ovet
That's nice but irrelevant.
I agree its a competitive league and all that but all I'm interested in is our teams performances and results.
In today's game it wasn't like H'field and Reading surrendering to a mid table team (us) and looking a shadow of their previous self's, we played well today (again) and didn't come home with 3 points due to not capitalising on our possession and winning position (again).
Yes there will be times when things don't go our way but we are too soft at present and its a flaw in the team that needs attending to.
Irrelevant?..... Were playing Rotherham on Tuesday - doesn't this say that apart from probably Newcastle, any team can beat any team in this league....good point as far as I'm concerned
Quote from: F(f)CUK on December 10, 2016, 05:41:43 PM
I have watched their fourth goal twice and still don't know how it went in.
Neither does Button, there lies the problem.
Quote from: The Road Less Travelled on December 10, 2016, 05:32:55 PM
Wolves have beaten Newcastle, Birmingham and Reading this season. They're not a bad team, they're inconsistent.
One game isn't why we will or won't go up. We've got a much stronger mentality this season, and talk of bottling is pretty short of the mark. If we were bottlers we wouldn't have come back to get a point today, or against Sheff Weds, or against Norwich.
One of the Wolves based journalists tweets suggested the first half was ours but with Wolves defensive awfulness and the second half was more open but relatively balanced with both teams having chances, and spells of dominance and that we looked more likely to get a winner before they got their fourth.
There's definitely room for improvement, but we're not woeful or in need of a complete overhaul. We could have done with a striking option on the bench though, but that's old news.
I was at the game and can tell you, the Wolves fans were very loud and gave tremendous support, 2nd half the Wolves team gave absolutely everything, yes we had many chances to bury them, but we still scored 4 away from home. It was a massively open game, if we had the ability to kill the game through 2 banks of 4 type play we would have won but that is not how we play. Our football is delightful at times but we lave ourselves open to the counter and we are not physical and powerful enough in central defence, especially with Ream in the team. Finally we should have scored 6 Wolves could have scored 6. It was that sort of game.
Quote from: The Road Less Travelled on December 10, 2016, 05:32:55 PM
Wolves have beaten Newcastle, Birmingham and Reading this season. They're not a bad team, they're inconsistent.
One game isn't why we will or won't go up. We've got a much stronger mentality this season, and talk of bottling is pretty short of the mark. If we were bottlers we wouldn't have come back to get a point today, or against Sheff Weds, or against Norwich.
One of the Wolves based journalists tweets suggested the first half was ours but with Wolves defensive awfulness and the second half was more open but relatively balanced with both teams having chances, and spells of dominance and that we looked more likely to get a winner before they got their fourth.
There's definitely room for improvement, but we're not woeful or in need of a complete overhaul. We could have done with a striking option on the bench though, but that's old news.
Message received and understood and echoed by me. I was thinking back on our capitulation in the away game at Charlton with Kit Symons in charge when Wolves got their second and third goals, and just cussing when they scored the fourth, but recovery with so little time left is always a sign of character. Yes, in the final analysis it is two good points thrown away from not killing the game early in the second half by doing what we had done so well in the first forty five, but at least it was a point and not a defeat.
