It was great to see Fulham score both our last two penalties but I was a bit concerned with the last one.
The penalty scored against Norwich was perfect but the one against Huddersfield was a bit scrappy.
personally didnt htink either were struck that well, but they went in and thats all that matters.
For me if the keepers had gone the right way they would have been saved, however they didnt and thats that.
The problem with Cairney being so 1 footed is that you can kinda tell that he's gonna put it right rather than left, and they're usually on the ground too, without a lot of power. If I was a keeper facing Cairney I'd almost certainly dive to my left.
The ones that go in for me are fine. And hopefully the hoodo has finally moved on
Quote from: AlexW132 on April 26, 2017, 10:45:16 AM
The problem with Cairney being so 1 footed is that you can kinda tell that he's gonna put it right rather than left, and they're usually on the ground too, without a lot of power. If I was a keeper facing Cairney I'd almost certainly dive to my left.
:plus one:
Said the same on Saturday. 049:gif
thats what I am saying Andy, if they go in it doesnt matter.
Quote from: f321ffc on April 26, 2017, 10:48:14 AM
Quote from: AlexW132 on April 26, 2017, 10:45:16 AM
The problem with Cairney being so 1 footed is that you can kinda tell that he's gonna put it right rather than left, and they're usually on the ground too, without a lot of power. If I was a keeper facing Cairney I'd almost certainly dive to my left.
:plus one:
Said the same on Saturday. 049:gif
Also the one penalty he shot left was saved
Quote from: AlexW132 on April 26, 2017, 11:11:14 AM
Quote from: f321ffc on April 26, 2017, 10:48:14 AM
Quote from: AlexW132 on April 26, 2017, 10:45:16 AM
The problem with Cairney being so 1 footed is that you can kinda tell that he's gonna put it right rather than left, and they're usually on the ground too, without a lot of power. If I was a keeper facing Cairney I'd almost certainly dive to my left.
:plus one:
Said the same on Saturday. 049:gif
Also the one penalty he shot left was saved
As has every other penalty that we've hit left, bar Martin vs Huddersfield at home.
Quote from: ffc2004 on April 26, 2017, 11:18:24 AM
Quote from: AlexW132 on April 26, 2017, 11:11:14 AM
Quote from: f321ffc on April 26, 2017, 10:48:14 AM
Quote from: AlexW132 on April 26, 2017, 10:45:16 AM
The problem with Cairney being so 1 footed is that you can kinda tell that he's gonna put it right rather than left, and they're usually on the ground too, without a lot of power. If I was a keeper facing Cairney I'd almost certainly dive to my left.
:plus one:
Said the same on Saturday. 049:gif
Also the one penalty he shot left was saved
As has every other penalty that we've hit left, bar Martin vs Huddersfield at home.
And Martin against Barnsley home?
Don't think it can ever be a poor or scrappy penalty if it hits the back of the net
Quote from: AlexW132 on April 26, 2017, 10:45:16 AM
The problem with Cairney being so 1 footed is that you can kinda tell that he's gonna put it right rather than left, and they're usually on the ground too, without a lot of power. If I was a keeper facing Cairney I'd almost certainly dive to my left.
I would be sure that most penalty takers use the same foot and don't swap from one to the other
As far as I could tell Cairney invited the goal keeper to move before he hit the ball - the keeper went right which might be why both were to his left
In his day - Heider Helguson - use to wait until the goal keeper was laying on the ground before rolling it in - the first one I saw him take for us was against Chelsea and I think that if Petre Cech had not been so surprised he had enough time to get up, walk over and stop it before in finally wobbled over the line
We have hit a few with power and look were they have ended up.
But I do see what you are saying, if we do get another one, theres a good chance if the keeper goes left, he could get a hand on it.
Quote from: Roberty on April 26, 2017, 11:46:09 AM
Quote from: AlexW132 on April 26, 2017, 10:45:16 AM
The problem with Cairney being so 1 footed is that you can kinda tell that he's gonna put it right rather than left, and they're usually on the ground too, without a lot of power. If I was a keeper facing Cairney I'd almost certainly dive to my left.
I would be sure that most penalty takers use the same foot and don't swap from one to the other
As far as I could tell Cairney invited the goal keeper to move before he hit the ball - the keeper went right which might be why both were to his left
In his day - Heider Helguson - use to wait until the goal keeper was laying on the ground before rolling it in - the first one I saw him take for us was against Chelsea and I think that if Petre Cech had not been so surprised he had enough time to get up, walk over and stop it before in finally wobbled over the line
In 50-or-so years of support, I never felt more confident that we would score from the spot than when Heider was our penalty-taker.
The only player I know of, moreover, who was as happy to take a penalty with either foot was Louis Saha. To begin with, he took them - and scored - left-footed. I still recall my feeling of alarm the first time he shaped up to take one with his right peg (at home to Q.P.R. with the score at 0-0). I needn't have worried: Louis was just as reliable whichever foot he kicked with.
Quote from: Arthur on April 26, 2017, 12:36:27 PM
The only player I know of, moreover, who was as happy to take a penalty with either foot was Louis Saha. To begin with, he took them - and scored - left-footed. I still recall my feeling of alarm the first time he shaped up to take one with his right peg (at home to Q.P.R. with the score at 0-0). I needn't have worried: Louis was just as reliable whichever foot he kicked with.
Also Germany's full-back Andy Breheme. In the 1986 WC quarter-final shoot-out against Mexico he scored with his left. In the 1990 Final shoot-out he won the WC with his right.
I agree that neither of Cairney's penalties were enormously impressive, apart from the fact that they went in! However I think he merits great praise for taking them at all. He said, after his miss against QPR, that he wouldn't be taking any more. Circumstances have forced him to take the responsibility and he has stepped up as a captain should. Confidence is a large part of successful penalty taking and hopefully he is now looking forward to taking the next one.
Full marks to Cairney for converting two penalties.
Both shots were on the ground and tucked away in the keeper's left hand corner.
Make the same shot a third time and the chances are the keeper will guess where it is going and unless it is hit with a lot more pace will be in with a good chance of a save.
If we get another penalty in any of our remaining games Cairney will need to do something different, the pressure is still on him.
Quote from: f321ffc on April 26, 2017, 10:48:14 AM
Quote from: AlexW132 on April 26, 2017, 10:45:16 AM
The problem with Cairney being so 1 footed is that you can kinda tell that he's gonna put it right rather than left, and they're usually on the ground too, without a lot of power. If I was a keeper facing Cairney I'd almost certainly dive to my left.
:plus one:
Said the same on Saturday. 049:gif
Likewise. if we get another penalty this season I'd worry if TC took it (Mind you, I'd probably worry anyway, no matter who took it.) Scott Malone, Johansen or K Mac would by my choices to take a pen.
I have always thought. In professional football the best place to take a penalty is high (middle to top of the goal, no need to risk it going over) and down the middle.
In my memory of watching penalty's at both Fulham and any sort of shootout on TV I cant remember the keeper not diving.
Run up, side foot it so the keeper thinks you are rolling it into the corner and then the side foot goes where the keepers face just was while they are on the floor.
I agree it gets risky when you take all your pens in the same corner so worth mixing it up a bit.
Quote from: JakeFFC on April 26, 2017, 01:41:36 PM
I have always thought. In professional football the best place to take a penalty is high (middle to top of the goal, no need to risk it going over) and down the middle.
In my memory of watching penalty's at both Fulham and any sort of shootout on TV I cant remember the keeper not diving.
Run up, side foot it so the keeper thinks you are rolling it into the corner and then the side foot goes where the keepers face just was while they are on the floor.
I agree it gets risky when you take all your pens in the same corner so worth mixing it up a bit.
A cunning plan, Baldrick....but one, as demonstrated by our ex-favourite Mr B Ruiz, that might not always work:
...after the miss shown above Bryan adopted a more reliable technique taught to him by Ronnie O'Sullivan:
Ruiz was being too clever by half.
Think the likes of:- Langley, Lock, Murphy, Berbatov, McCormac. They all made it look so easy and only rarely missed.
What the first video also shows is that the goalkeeper is clearly off his line before Ruiz strikes the ball (pause at 22 seconds). In this instance, I don't think this makes his save any easier (although the keeper moving may well have distracted Ruiz), but the fact that the penalty wasn't retaken makes me wonder what the linesman was looking at - and not just this linesman, but almost all of them. I can't recall the last time I saw a penalty retaken when a keeper has advanced from his line; the goalie always seems to get away with it.
Although the law states that the goalkeeper must stand on the goal-line until the ball is struck, there seems to be a unwritten acceptance among officials that a forward movement of no further than a yard will be overlooked.
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They were saying on the radio when I was on my way home from the game that we have missed nine penalties including today's effort. I wonder how many points extra we would have tonight if they all went in? Does anyone have a spare hour or two....I'd do it myself, but getting rather....er tired and emotional...er... after witnessing the playoff performance today...... YYYYeeeessssss ! COYW's!!
It had to happen. Tom tries to place the ball in the same corner of the goal and I bet their coaching staff told their keeper to dive to his left and be in with a chance of saving it.
If we had scored from that spot kick we could have gone on to win the game.
As Tom walked up to take the kick I turned to the chap behind me and said that the keeper would save it if he dives to his left.
Very naive to hit three pens back to back all in the same place. It would have been equally as worrying if the Brentford keeper hadn't saved it. Of course they analyse stuff like this before games. Especially as we're getting so many this year
Quote from: cmg on April 26, 2017, 02:00:58 PM
...after the miss shown above Bryan adopted a more reliable technique taught to him by Ronnie O'Sullivan:
not wishing to revive an old argument (well maybe I do). ruiz never scored that penalty it was an own goal off the keepers back, just as stockdale was given two own goals for norwich V brighton, ruiz missed.
That penalty on Saturday was so predictable, with the very real possibility of a penalty shoot out in the play offs every player should be practicing and forget trying to place it, pace and power in other words put your bloody foot through it. 049:gif
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 01, 2017, 12:22:06 AM
Very naive to hit three pens back to back all in the same place. It would have been equally as worrying if the Brentford keeper hadn't saved it. Of course they analyse stuff like this before games. Especially as we're getting so many this year
Exactly like I said... Very naive by Tom indeed - http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brentford-keeper-homework-fulham-man-12967172?utm_source=365Scores&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=Contact+us+at+365scores+for+more+traffic (http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brentford-keeper-homework-fulham-man-12967172?utm_source=365Scores&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=Contact+us+at+365scores+for+more+traffic)
Quote from: filham on April 26, 2017, 01:08:04 PM
Full marks to Cairney for converting two penalties.
Both shots were on the ground and tucked away in the keeper's left hand corner.
Make the same shot a third time and the chances are the keeper will guess where it is going and unless it is hit with a lot more pace will be in with a good chance of a save.
If we get another penalty in any of our remaining games Cairney will need to do something different, the pressure is still on him.
I agree, it's no good hitting it to the keepers left anymore, I think Cairney should try and head the ball in on the next one.
I think Malone should take the penalties.
Quote from: FFCFOREVER on May 02, 2017, 03:06:04 PM
I think Malone should take the penalties.
I agree, he has to be as good as anyone we have.
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Quote from: FFCFOREVER on May 02, 2017, 03:06:04 PM
I think Malone should take the penalties.
I agree, he has to be as good as anyone we have.
He probably doesn't want to take them.
Nogood "who would, see" Boyo
