Will Martin be returning to Derby?
Wasn't he here on loan with an option for us to buy him? I see he is listed as a Fulham player on the list of players selected to play for Scotland this summer, along with Tom Cairney.
Regardless, as joint top scorers in our division, why do many people on this site put striker(s) on our shopping list for next season, when we did better than most clubs without a traditional striker?
It is a really good debate about the strikers. I still maintain that we needed a striker and at times suffered from having too many similar players up front. A player who can hold up play and finish well would have made all the difference. But there is no denying we did score plenty of goals without one.
As for Martin I would hope that having seen him in action and suffered his antics we would not be pursuing his signing.
We're going to lose Chris and cyriac. We need a striker or 2 , even just to have an option of a plan B if we're going with non traditional route
And that is what it is all about. You are severely restricted if you cannot use a plan b if things are not going as predicted. A bit one dimensional.
We still have an option to buy, not sure on that expiry my summation is we have to say we want to before end of loan deal 31/05.
I'd hope that we can do better.
I love Joca to bits but keeping martin would be a serious error of judgment.
Martin's contribution was far too little. The odd times he did well were too far and few between. I saw players for other teams, with less skill make far more contribution. And there is the issue of whether he actually wanted to stay or go. His heart never appeared to be in it.
He was never a 'hate figure' for me in the way one or two other might have been. But I think we should look elsewhere for somebody that is 100% committed to the cause.
that's how I see it as well nose
I just can't believe that anyone is even thinking that there is a remote possibility of Martin staying, he has failed on all counts and from now on should be Derby's problem.
Quote from: filham on May 24, 2017, 11:26:41 AM
I just can't believe that anyone is even thinking that there is a remote possibility of Martin staying, he has failed on all counts and from now on should be Derby's problem.
while we have an option there is that possibility if Slav really wishes to push it, therefore it cannot be ruled out. I personally do not see him staying even if we meet the option price. I wholeheartedly agree with nose. I would add he started slowly hit some form and then, well we all know what happened.
Don't agree with what he did and how it was played out in the media, but as they say C'est La Vie. No one will ever know the real ins and outs (except those in the know) we all rely on media updates etc.
Can't see us taking up the option on either Chrissy or Cyriac.
I like to think that as soon as the final whistle went at Reading nobody at fulham said a word to Chris Martin ever again. The only silver lining to losing out that night is that we get to show "chrissy" exactly how we feel about him at least twice next season.
Quote from: Statto on May 24, 2017, 03:03:58 PM
Quote from: Chutney on May 24, 2017, 02:59:44 PM
I like to think that as soon as the final whistle went at Reading nobody at fulham said a word to Chris Martin ever again. The only silver lining to losing out that night is that we get to show "chrissy" exactly how we feel about him at least twice next season.
Rather we kept our mouths shut. He's bound to score at the cottage and run past the hammy end cupping his ear. That's as certain as death and taxes. I just hope it isn't an important game when it comes round.
Oh no doubt he will score against us, it always happens, Martin is the type to physically sprint (rare I know) to the other end of the ground to antagonise us. Hopefully followed by Cairney curling one in the 94th minute for the winner and the entire ground singing "Martin whats the score?!" It will be glorious.
Derby won't be challengers next season.
Quote from: Statto on May 24, 2017, 03:03:58 PM
Quote from: Chutney on May 24, 2017, 02:59:44 PM
I like to think that as soon as the final whistle went at Reading nobody at fulham said a word to Chris Martin ever again. The only silver lining to losing out that night is that we get to show "chrissy" exactly how we feel about him at least twice next season.
Rather we kept our mouths shut. He's bound to score at the cottage and run past the hammy end cupping his ear. That's as certain as death and taxes. I just hope it isn't an important game when it comes round.
Not sure that he will make the Derby team next season, there strikers did quite well last season and wil not easolly be displaced.
Quote from: Andy S on May 24, 2017, 01:11:12 AM
And that is what it is all about. You are severely restricted if you cannot use a plan b if things are not going as predicted. A bit one dimensional.
What ever happened to plan B?
Last seen in a film with "my name's Michael Caine" about a drug fuelled London sink estate, ex army men, riots, dodgy pub landlords, good & bad cops etc
Or am I confusing it with an alternative plan B, C, D whateva....
Come on Fulham, let's have some good news asap
Joka, Cairney,Sess x 2, release of those not required, new signings....?
The OP says that CM is shown as a Fulham player on the list of those in the Scotland squad. Interestingly, there is no mention of him on the Derby FC site, not even as a player out on loan.
I am not a fan. Send him home. Sorry, but his behaviour in December was unacceptable and he hardly scored since then, missing a sitter in injury time v Reading.
Quote from: Max Headroom on May 25, 2017, 04:19:53 PM
I am not a fan. Send him home. Sorry, but his behaviour in December was unacceptable and he hardly scored since then, missing a sitter in injury time v Reading.
Not saying we should keep him, but if part of the judge,net is missing a good chance, then Aluko in the first half of the first leg? Just saying as every forward / player misses chances.
Personally think we can do better, hard to say if he was our player and not on loan would he have done better as no one can tell. For certain We should have done the deal earlier in August but Pearson delayed things. All down to Slav now we have an option and will he won't he take it up. I wouldn't now to be honest partly decemeber and January and partly his form towards the season end
Quote from: Statto on May 24, 2017, 03:03:58 PM
Quote from: Chutney on May 24, 2017, 02:59:44 PM
I like to think that as soon as the final whistle went at Reading nobody at fulham said a word to Chris Martin ever again. The only silver lining to losing out that night is that we get to show "chrissy" exactly how we feel about him at least twice next season.
Rather we kept our mouths shut. He's bound to score at the cottage and run past the hammy end cupping his ear. That's as certain as death and taxes. I just hope it isn't an important game when it comes round.
I really really really hope this does come true, because you deserve to get at least one prediction right about him, because i am now desperate for you to come back one day and have the right to say ' I told ya' . As it stands though, you're 25 and 0.
Quote from: westcliff white on May 25, 2017, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: Max Headroom on May 25, 2017, 04:19:53 PM
I am not a fan. Send him home. Sorry, but his behaviour in December was unacceptable and he hardly scored since then, missing a sitter in injury time v Reading.
Not saying we should keep him, but if part of the judge,net is missing a good chance, then Aluko in the first half of the first leg? Just saying as every forward / player misses chances.
Personally think we can do better, hard to say if he was our player and not on loan would he have done better as no one can tell. For certain We should have done the deal earlier in August but Pearson delayed things. All down to Slav now we have an option and will he won't he take it up. I wouldn't now to be honest partly decemeber and January and partly his form towards the season end
Aluko is a great player, apart from his shooting.... don't start me off.... we have a forward problem. It needs sorting and am sure it will be
Bye bye
Quote from: Southcoastffc on May 25, 2017, 12:32:09 PM
The OP says that CM is shown as a Fulham player on the list of those in the Scotland squad. Interestingly, there is no mention of him on the Derby FC site, not even as a player out on loan.
Players out on loan who are selected for internationals ALWAYS are listed as members of the club they're loaned to.
guess the end of his loan hasn't arrived yet.
What exactly do we know about all this?
We know his loan period included the Play off period so he's still "our" player until then.
We have been told we signed him on loan just before the window closed and it was agreed we had the option to sign him permanently at the end of the loan.
An increased salary and contract details had been agreed between ALL parties and WE alone had the final decision on taking up the option at the end of the season.
We know he then signed a new contract with Derby during his time with us that extended his employment with them and would increase his salary on his return.
We know what Maclaren said and we know Martin refused to play!
Frankly even taking in to account what we don't know (i.e. possible family issues) the player let us down and is unreliable therefore wash our hands of him and look elsewhere!
Sorted!
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on May 26, 2017, 12:38:17 PM
What exactly do we know about all this?
We know his loan period included the Play off period so he's still "our" player until then.
We have been told we signed him on loan just before the window closed and it was agreed we had the option to sign him permanently at the end of the loan.
An increased salary and contract details had been agreed between ALL parties and WE alone had the final decision on taking up the option at the end of the season.
We know he then signed a new contract with Derby during his time with us that extended his employment with them and would increase his salary on his return.
We know what Maclaren said and we know Martin refused to play!
Frankly even taking in to account what we don't know (i.e. possible family issues) the player let us down and is unreliable therefore wash our hands of him and look elsewhere!
Sorted!
It is simpler than this. Martin hasn't been good enough.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on May 26, 2017, 01:19:30 PM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on May 26, 2017, 12:38:17 PM
What exactly do we know about all this?
We know his loan period included the Play off period so he's still "our" player until then.
We have been told we signed him on loan just before the window closed and it was agreed we had the option to sign him permanently at the end of the loan.
An increased salary and contract details had been agreed between ALL parties and WE alone had the final decision on taking up the option at the end of the season.
We know he then signed a new contract with Derby during his time with us that extended his employment with them and would increase his salary on his return.
We know what Maclaren said and we know Martin refused to play!
Frankly even taking in to account what we don't know (i.e. possible family issues) the player let us down and is unreliable therefore wash our hands of him and look elsewhere!
Sorted!
It is simpler than this. Martin hasn't been good enough.
Very true.
Ten goals (including 2 pens) is a poor return.
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on May 26, 2017, 01:36:04 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on May 26, 2017, 01:19:30 PM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on May 26, 2017, 12:38:17 PM
What exactly do we know about all this?
We know his loan period included the Play off period so he's still "our" player until then.
We have been told we signed him on loan just before the window closed and it was agreed we had the option to sign him permanently at the end of the loan.
An increased salary and contract details had been agreed between ALL parties and WE alone had the final decision on taking up the option at the end of the season.
We know he then signed a new contract with Derby during his time with us that extended his employment with them and would increase his salary on his return.
We know what Maclaren said and we know Martin refused to play!
Frankly even taking in to account what we don't know (i.e. possible family issues) the player let us down and is unreliable therefore wash our hands of him and look elsewhere!
Sorted!
It is simpler than this. Martin hasn't been good enough.
Very true.
Ten goals (including 2 pens) is a poor return.
Actually, based on the season's success ratio, scoring 2 pens for our lot has to be classed as brilliant!
CM was the best the Club could do in last summer's window, better than average as a Championship striker at times earlier in his employment but ultimately found out on several counts including lacking commitment. The Club didn't want to, or couldn't, correct its earlier window failure, and CM's second half of the season's contribution was still a part of a side running on automatic promotion form i.e. much, much better than its first half of season form. What I am saying is that it is hard to fathom what the guy really contributed over the season. Statistically it is his goals and assists but is there more to all this than what we see and hear and SJ's logic about not giving competitors a helping hand?
We should know by the end of next week whether he is here next season or not. Sure the Club should be able to do lot better but will it even try?
Not only is Martin not good enough, as well as not committed enough. But he is nowhere near fit enough, and never will be, it's just not in his DNA.
He makes McCormack look athletic.
All above are very valid points, but just think without his goals earlier in his spell, we would not have had a shot at the play off's
We were never a bad side last season, even at the time Matt Smith was our striker of choice. Inconsistency within a competent team still learning to live with each other means you will get results and goals, no matter who plays. It's also more likely there'll be the big wins when it all comes together and players can't miss the opportunities presented. It's also more likely there'll be the embarrassing defeats or draws when it seemed easier to win. That is why it is called 'inconsistency'. We were unbeaten in August home and away and so what difference did CM make come September? I am just puzzled about what CM bought to the table and still wonder what we could have been without him. Yes we needed to replace McCormack and Dembele but with Martin? I have come to realise there are so many things people know about football on here that I don't, and so I defer.
Not sure if anyone's aware but there's a big social media push at the moment for Derby county fans voting for Chris Martin as our player of the season!!!
Quote from: Newry FFC on May 27, 2017, 02:32:59 PM
Not sure if anyone's aware but there's a big social media push at the moment for Derby county fans voting for Chris Martin as our player of the season!!!
Well, at least they've got a sense of humour - maybe they fixed the US election as well!
Quote from: Holders on May 27, 2017, 02:40:20 PM
Quote from: Newry FFC on May 27, 2017, 02:32:59 PM
Not sure if anyone's aware but there's a big social media push at the moment for Derby county fans voting for Chris Martin as our player of the season!!!
Well, at least they've got a sense of humour - maybe they fixed the US election as well!
I thought it was already arranged to go to John Terry.
Quote from: alfie on May 27, 2017, 09:53:29 AM
All above are very valid points, but just think without his goals earlier in his spell, we would not have had a shot at the play off's
His goals were not quite as significant as the headline number appears.
Firstly he didn't score in our poor September when we needed goals.
Then five his goals came in high scoring matches: two each in our 5-0 wins and one in our 4-1 cup win.
So not so many of the match winning goals that you would hope for from your primary goalscorer.
Derby can remind themselves how good he is next season
