TalkSPORT's South American football expert says he really rates Rolan and it would be a massive coup if Fulham can sign him. Said he is more of a back up or secondary striker who can play on either wing too. A sinuouey strong player for his size and very technical player. Can't remember all he said but he was suprised he would come to the championship and he really rates him. He thinks he would have no problem adapting to the English game. Just hope no other teams were listening and hijack the deal if it is true. Not sure we need a secondary striker but we did alright last season without a striker of any description and a player of his quality can only be a good thing.
Cheers for posting this. I hope we sign him
I cannot disagree, but does the stat man agree, and if so can Fulham negotiate a deal for a player of this magnitude without cocking it up.
I hate transfer windows. I'd never heard of this guy, and suddenly he's a coup and I want him more than ANYTHING!! Well, nearly.
HaHa yes I know what you mean
Every post about a transfer there's one within minutes afterwards taking a dig at the stats man.
Is no-one else bored of that now?
Back to the OP. I'm not letting myself believe we can get a player of this calibre in the championship... But if we did I think he would tear it up. Hopefully we can convince him it'll only be one year at this level.
Quote from: PokerMatt on July 10, 2017, 08:16:37 AM
Every post about a transfer there's one within minutes afterwards taking a dig at the stats man.
Is no-one else bored of that now?
Never ever get bored at having a go at the stats man, he has self inflicted any stick on himself.
I only get bored with people taking a dig at the people taking a dig at the stats man. who has only got himself to blame.
So what exactly do you know about how the whole transfer process works? And about those working in the process?
Genuinely interested in your insight.
Quote from: PokerMatt on July 10, 2017, 08:27:00 AM
So what exactly do you know about how the whole transfer process works? And about those working in the process?
Genuinely interested in your insight.
Unfortunately due to legal regulations, I am prevented from allowing you an insight into my vast knowledge and source of intelligence.
That would be like a magician giving away all his secrets.
However I appreciate your genuine interest.
Therefore, on that basis.
If you can obtain a warrant to search my premises, I shall be only too pleased to divulge any information you require on how I know better than the stats man.
Always remember that the first rule of gathering information and research. Is never pass a keyhole without looking through it.
I also rent an overgrown bush at Motspur Park all year round, ( she is a very nice lady ) to avoid overlooking any new developments. ⚽️👁🆘
Quote from: PokerMatt on July 10, 2017, 08:16:37 AM
Every post about a transfer there's one within minutes afterwards taking a dig at the stats man.
Is no-one else bored of that now?
Be assured you are not alone in this.
People often get nervous when confronted by something new that they don't fully understand. The use of statistical analysis in football is such a something.
We don't know the details of its use or to what extent it has influenced recent transfers, most of which have turned out pretty well.
As with anything 'new' there are bound to be some problems. Overall it may turn out to be a success or to be ineffective. It would be nice if it gave us a bit of an advantage, although I doubt that we are the only Club involved in this kind of approach.
Quote from: cmg on July 10, 2017, 09:32:29 AM
Quote from: PokerMatt on July 10, 2017, 08:16:37 AM
Every post about a transfer there's one within minutes afterwards taking a dig at the stats man.
Is no-one else bored of that now?
Be assured you are not alone in this.
People often get nervous when confronted by something new that they don't fully understand. The use of statistical analysis in football is such a something.
We don't know the details of its use or to what extent it has influenced recent transfers, most of which have turned out pretty well.
As with anything 'new' there are bound to be some problems. Overall it may turn out to be a success or to be ineffective. It would be nice if it gave us a bit of an advantage, although I doubt that we are the only Club involved in this kind of approach.
Agree with you we signed 14 players last season and 90% of them had statistical data and were scouted as well, those signings didn't turn out too bad, there year before scouting and stats led to the TC signing as well.
So it can't all be too bad, we should moan when they get it wrong but pat on the back when they get it right as well
Quote from: Statto on July 10, 2017, 09:52:58 AM
It's not just the use of stats is it. It's some of the personnel involved and the arrangement under which the stats are used. And it's simplistic and misguided to say "we did ok last season ergo every single the club does must be ok"
If you refer to my comment I didn't say that, saying pat on back when they do well but moan when they don't.
Of course if not at my comment then just ignore this post 👍
Quote from: cmg on July 10, 2017, 09:32:29 AM
Quote from: PokerMatt on July 10, 2017, 08:16:37 AM
Every post about a transfer there's one within minutes afterwards taking a dig at the stats man.
Is no-one else bored of that now?
Be assured you are not alone in this.
People often get nervous when confronted by something new that they don't fully understand. The use of statistical analysis in football is such a something.
We don't know the details of its use or to what extent it has influenced recent transfers, most of which have turned out pretty well.
As with anything 'new' there are bound to be some problems. Overall it may turn out to be a success or to be ineffective. It would be nice if it gave us a bit of an advantage, although I doubt that we are the only Club involved in this kind of approach.
The open prominence given to stats at Fulham imay be new but the use of stats in football goes back a long way. For example, a former colleague was helping in the use of stats in the mid 1980s at Wimbledon F.C. In the crazy gang years, not the most obvious setting, where it influence their direct attacking style in particular.
I just can't see this happening.
I'd absolutely love it too but a striker playing for Uruguay with Suarez and Cavani as competition joining a team in the Championship (albeit the best one) seems unrealistic.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 10, 2017, 12:09:24 PM
I just can't see this happening.
I'd absolutely love it too but a striker playing for Uruguay with Suarez and Cavani as competition joining a team in the Championship (albeit the best one) seems unrealistic.
Why is it unrealistic based on the club he plays for? Christian Stuani has 35 caps for Uruaguay and he joined Middlesbrough in the championship.
Quote from: Newry FFC on July 10, 2017, 12:18:43 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 10, 2017, 12:09:24 PM
I just can't see this happening.
I'd absolutely love it too but a striker playing for Uruguay with Suarez and Cavani as competition joining a team in the Championship (albeit the best one) seems unrealistic.
Why is it unrealistic based on the club he plays for? Christian Stuani has 35 caps for Uruaguay and he joined Middlesbrough in the championship.
I would argue why it is realisitic based on the club he plays for.... Are we that arrogant in the UK that we think our second tier has better and bigger clubs in it than Bordeaux ?
To get him we'll have to pay him, convince him that it is a side step at best and offer him a way out if we don't go up !
Quote from: One Martin Thomas on July 10, 2017, 01:00:55 PM
To get him we'll have to pay him, convince him that it is a side step at best and offer him a way out if we don't go up !
For the record he is not adverse to coming over and we have spoken to both agent and player, those talks went well. The club and division is an attractive proposition to some players in France as outside the top 3/4 clubs the level isn't overly fantastic, in fact the lower half is probably top half of the championship standard.
So fingers crossed
1 goal in every 4 games in a unfantastic league does bode well for us.... lived in France for 12 years and only a top 4 PL team would win ligue1. I hope you're not someone who thinks Stoke City would win the French league....? With or without their top 4 teams.
No I am not, but having lived in Belgium and France for multiple years as child and man, I know the league outside of PSG, Monaco, Lyon, nice, Marseille and then to a lesser degree Lille and Nantes is not much at all
But my point is if your not at one of those clubs then you would consider a competitive championship a good place to come and play. Otherwise you might as well say the standard I. The Belgian pro league, and Dutch eredivisie is on a par with the premier league. Top leagues are not always better than some other. You haven't said that I was just comparing my point.
Rolan tho is interested, and may well come. He may not come if he gets a top flight offer and or European competition club, neither of which we can match, but right now FFC is the only team to submit an offer and that's been accepted reportedly.
I would think we are a very attractive proposition to a player with his background. Hopefully he will see us as ambitious, with a history having been in a european final in 2010 and in central london.
we gave saha a lifeline and he wasn't setting the world alight where he was. I well recall when he was signed many people raised their eyebrows. My info is this player is a real prospect but I personally can't say because I haven't seen him but would think he seems to be the right neck of the woods.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 10, 2017, 12:09:24 PM
I just can't see this happening.
I'd absolutely love it too but a striker playing for Uruguay with Suarez and Cavani as competition joining a team in the Championship (albeit the best one) seems unrealistic.
Did anyone ever envisage EVDS playing for Fulham
Quote from: alfie on July 10, 2017, 02:03:42 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 10, 2017, 12:09:24 PM
I just can't see this happening.
I'd absolutely love it too but a striker playing for Uruguay with Suarez and Cavani as competition joining a team in the Championship (albeit the best one) seems unrealistic.
Did anyone ever envisage EVDS playing for Fulham
Let's hope they can pull it off.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 10, 2017, 06:07:07 PM
Quote from: alfie on July 10, 2017, 02:03:42 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 10, 2017, 12:09:24 PM
I just can't see this happening.
I'd absolutely love it too but a striker playing for Uruguay with Suarez and Cavani as competition joining a team in the Championship (albeit the best one) seems unrealistic.
Did anyone ever envisage EVDS playing for Fulham
Let's hope they can pull it off.
Nope but that's why I said I can't see it happening, not it won't
Quote from: One Martin Thomas on July 10, 2017, 12:59:23 PM
I would argue why it is realisitic based on the club he plays for.... Are we that arrogant in the UK that we think our second tier has better and bigger clubs in it than Bordeaux ?
Theres nothing arrogant about it. My comment is Stuani was in the Uruguay side when Boro were in the Championship, it had nothing to do with what club he was at. Same for Rolan, if he performs well in the Championship, it doesn't mean hes any less deserving of a national team spot.
Whether its Bordeaux or Barnsley, if youre good enough you're in.
It seems like if reports are true he would be happy on the money we would give him, living in London and probably clauses in his contract that allow him an easy move on. The fact that we are waiting until Wednesday for a medical makes me think he could be more happy elsewhere hence not in a rush to sign for us. Nothing I have just said is anything other than an opinion mind you.
It would certainly be a result if we can secure him, and would show real intent, and certainly a catch for Jok.
Because all the clubs energies could then focus on the remaining targets.
As I would imagine there has to be a few more.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 10, 2017, 08:25:47 AM
Quote from: PokerMatt on July 10, 2017, 08:16:37 AM
Every post about a transfer there's one within minutes afterwards taking a dig at the stats man.
Is no-one else bored of that now?
Never ever get bored at having a go at the stats man, he has self inflicted any stick on himself.
I only get bored with people taking a dig at the people taking a dig at the stats man. who has only got himself to blame.
I note that Stats.Boy has now come of age and become Stats. Man so he should expect more knocks.
Given the reticence of Marlet and Mitroglou........let's hope he is really keen - otherwise it will be another £10m disaster
That's the last thing we need in this stage of proceedings.
It's only quoted as £8.8mil so we should be fine ;)
