TRUST JULY MEETING WITH FULHAM FOOTBALL CLUB
THURSDAY, JULY 27, 2017 AT 9:10AM
On Tuesday 25th. July, 2017, Tom Greatrex, Dan Crawford and Mike Gregg of the Fulham Supporters' Trust met with Alistair Mackintosh (AM, Chief Executive Officer), Casper Stylsvig (CS, Chief Revenue Officer) and Darren Preston (DP, Chief Operating Officer) from Fulham Football Club at Motspur Park.
Supporters' Summit
The Trust began the meeting by thanking AM and Fulham Football Club for its help in producing the video that portrayed the structured relationship between the Club and its fans, represented by The Fulham Supporters' Trust, at the Supporters' Summit in Burton upon Trent earlier this month. AM congratulated Trust chair, Tom Greatrex, on his election as the new chair of Supporters Direct and apologised for not being able to attend the Summit, but expressed his delight that the video was well received and hoped that the structured dialogue could continue positively.
Pre-season preparations
The Trust relayed the disappointment of some members about the late announcement of pre-season tour dates, particularly with regard to the recent mini-tour of Austria and Germany. DP expressed sympathy with supporters who were unable to travel and explained that Fulham's participation in the Championship play-offs narrowed the window available to finalise arrangements. DP also said that the Club could not formally announce the tour until fixtures had been agreed with Fulham's opponents and this caused a further delay. Both AM and DP expressed hope that the Club would be in a position to announce their pre-season programme earlier next summer.
New kit
CS confirmed that Fulham's new kit would be formally unveiled on Wednesday, 26th. July, 2017.
Fulham FC TV
The Trust reported that it had received a number of questions from supporters with regard to the Club's decision not to sign-up for the IFollow streaming package supplied by the EFL. AM confirmed that the Club would be able to offer, via its own Fulham FC TV service, live streaming of league matches to international subscribers. The only matches the Club would be unable to show via Fulham FC TV would be those chosen for broadcast by a television rights holder in a particular territory. CS and AM revealed that subscribers would be able to choose a season ticket package, individual games or discounted rates for particular matches and then this would be announced in August.
The Trust also suggested that there could be more explicit promotion of what Fulham fans would receive when they subscribe to the service on the Club's website. Several members had been in touch to compliment the summer offering. Both AM and CS said that this option would be explored immediately.
Season Tickets
AM said that the Club was delighted with the high level of season ticket sales for the forthcoming season and thanked the Fulham fans for their outstanding support.
CS confirmed that the Club would be issuing new season tickets to all season ticket holders and that these would arrive within the next week.
Ticketmaster
In response to ongoing queries from the Trust, CS confirmed that the Club was in the process of replacing the premium rate ticket office hotline number with a local call rate number and hoped to conclude this as soon as possible.
CS confirmed that the Club was now in the last season of their current contract with Ticketmaster and that, following up from earlier feedback submitted by the Trust, was looking to make a number of changes to way in which tickets were presented and sold online. The Trust once again asked the Club to look at the ability for supporters to select tickets at the front, middle and back of stands for away fixtures and CS confirmed that this was the subject of an ongoing discussion with Ticketmaster.
The Trust agreed to pass on the details of its discussions with fellow Trusts and supporters' groups following the successful ticket-pricing seminar at the Supporters' Summit and to continue discussions on this matter.
Checkatrade Trophy
DP and AM confirmed that the Club had accepted an invitation to field an Under 21 side in this season's Checkatrade Trophy. Fulham had been drawn in a group with Portsmouth, Crawley Town and Charlton Athletic and all their group fixtures would be away matches. Fulham's Under 21 side will play Portsmouth at Fratton Park on Tuesday 29th. August, 2017, Charlton Athletic at The Valley on Tuesday 3rd. October, 2017 and Crawley Town on Tuesday 7th. November, 2017.
The Trust reiterated our strong reservations about the competition. AM and DP recognised these concerns and said that the Club felt the Trophy should, in theory, allow some of the Club's Academy players experience of senior football and that the EFL had instituted a number of rule changes following last season's experience.
Craven Cottage working group
The Trust thanked the Club for its invitation to feed into the Craven Cottage working group as detailed in the previous minutes and asked for an update on progress. CS said that the Club was proud that fans generally felt that their experience of a match at Craven Cottage was excellent, but that the Club had still identified a number of areas in which they wished to improve. The Club was now working on a number of consultations to bring forward some options that would be presented to the Club's board.
The Club is keen for the Trust to provide input on how the fan experience can be improved at Craven Cottage, especially retaining the excellent atmosphere towards the end of the season, which Slavisa Jokanovic wishes to replicate on a regular basis. Jokanovic also wished to express his personal thanks to the supporters who had travelled to support the team away from home throughout the season and CS confirmed that the Club was investigating the best ways to make travel to and from away matches more convenient for supporters.
The Trust will be formally invited to a separate meeting to discuss their own research and feedback from supporters, once the findings from the Club's surveys and plans had been presented to the Board.
Riverside Stand
In a response to a question from representatives of the Trust, AM confirmed that the Club was continuing to work on a final design for the redevelopment of the Riverside Stand. He revealed that chairman Shahid Khan had been in London ten days ago to examine the latest plans, and AM hoped that the Club would be in a position to go out to consultation with supporters on these proposals in October.
AM thanked the Fulham fans for their continued patience and reiterated the Riverside Stand redevelopment was intended to increase the Club's non-match day and hospitality offer as well as solidify Fulham's future at Craven Cottage. He confirmed that the redevelopment was not contingent on the Club playing Premier League football.
Safe Standing
The Trust asked if the Club was reassessing its position on safe standing following the EFL's public statement of support and the planned conversion of seated areas to safe standing at Shrewsbury Town and Northampton Town. AM confirmed that the Club was giving this further consideration and that it was now a choice open to EFL clubs. DP said that he had been to see the rail seating in operation at Celtic Park and the Club was acutely aware of Fulham fans' affection for standing after many years of terracing at Craven Cottage. Both AM and DP confirmed that the Club would keep its position under review and consult with the Trust where they felt it necessary.
Transfer window
AM recognised that there had been a lot of comment from Fulham fans about the Club's business during the summer transfer window. He welcomed the Trust's invitation to outline the Club's current position.
AM said the Club began its preparations for the summer by seeking to secure the future of the key performers from last season's squad were secured. The Club was very pleased to sign Tom Cairney and Ryan Sessegnon to long-term deals this month and this spoke to the Club's desire to retain its strongest assets.
The head coach and coaching staff identified the areas of the squad where additional signings were necessary. AM said that the Club's first summer signing, Marcelo Djalo, was approved by the statistical analysis system, but was heavily scouted by the Club's own network and first team coaching staff. He said Djalo represented a small outlay in a position where the Club was short of potential first team players and that the Club was looking to sign players who would increase in value during their time at the football club. AM also confirmed that the Club was actively looking to recruit more centre halves.
AM confirmed that Fulham had returned to Ibrahima Cisse, who was a target that had been identified during the January transfer window, because it wanted to add more depth in midfield. Cisse was comfortable playing as a defensive midfielder or in a more orthodox midfield role and the management team was impressed with the start he had made during pre-season.
The Club were very pleased to be able to re-sign Lucas Piazon on a season-long loan. Slavisa Jokanovic had felt that Piazon had made a significant contribution last season and that he would be a first-team option who would be able to provide cover in a number of positions.
AM also confirmed that the Club was continuing to look for strikers to supplement the first team squad. A number of the Club's long-term targets had not signed for other sides and discussions were ongoing. AM also said that Slavisa Jokanovic's preferred system allowed for flexibility in the type of striker used – the head coach was pleased with the way the likes of Floyd Ayite and Neeskens Kebano performed in the second half of the season and, it could be argued, that they were more effective than the traditional type of forward, such as Chris Martin. AM said the Club was keen to keep to sensible business principles in the transfer market and that the head coach agreed with this approach.
In a response to a question from the Trust, AM discussed Scott Malone's departure. AM felt that Malone had done terrifically well for Fulham and was very honest in saying that his dream was to play in the Premier League, so he was eager to accept Huddersfield's offer when it was put to him. AM said that the deal was considered a very good one for Fulham, in particular following Ryan Sessegnon's emergence into the first team, and that Malone left the Club with everyone's best wishes.
AM also said that it, whilst he was saddened by the departure of Lasse Vigen Christensen, it was felt it was the right time for him to move on. Both the player and head coach had accepted that there was little chance of him getting first-team football with Fulham and, despite a successful loan spell with Burton Albion, there was no Championship interest in his services. AM said that Christensen was a model professional and the Club wished him the very best in his future career.
AM acknowledged that there was some debate about how large a squad Fulham should operate with in the Championship. He tended to feel that the Club should have at least two senior professionals in each position and wanted to retain the pathway for the Club's best young players to make an impact in the first team. The Club was delighted to secure the signature of Tayo Edun on a long-term contract following his success at the European Under 19 Championships and AM was pleased to see the strong performances of a number of the academy players during the pre-season tours.
AM also stated that the Club's recruitment was far from finished and that everyone was working hard to ensure Slavisa Jokanovic had all the resources he needed to sustain a promotion push during the forthcoming season.
I love reading these minutes. The open dialogue speaks volumes for the club and whilst there is always a positive slant (duh!) I think there is alot of honesty as well. I think I remember AM acknowledging a mistake with Magath and very rarely in any business does an MD acknowledge mistakes.
Thanks for going, and thanks for relaying. Good stuff !
Thanks for sharing. On the whole positive to read.
However, reading between the lines this bit pricked up my ears a little:
"AM also said that Slavisa Jokanovic's preferred system allowed for flexibility in the type of striker used – the head coach was pleased with the way the likes of Floyd Ayite and Neeskens Kebano performed in the second half of the season and, it could be argued, that they were more effective than the traditional type of forward, such as Chris Martin. AM said the Club was keen to keep to sensible business principles in the transfer market and that the head coach agreed with this approach."
Quote from: PokerMatt on July 27, 2017, 10:02:19 AM
Thanks for sharing. On the whole positive to read.
However, reading between the lines this bit pricked up my ears a little:
"AM also said that Slavisa Jokanovic's preferred system allowed for flexibility in the type of striker used – the head coach was pleased with the way the likes of Floyd Ayite and Neeskens Kebano performed in the second half of the season and, it could be argued, that they were more effective than the traditional type of forward, such as Chris Martin. AM said the Club was keen to keep to sensible business principles in the transfer market and that the head coach agreed with this approach."
it's what I suspected and why we are linked to players like Ojo who would fit this plan more. I quite like it and similar to how Liverpool play who have a forward three of Coutinho (for now), Firmino and Salah who are all quite interchangeable. Traditional strikers likeIngs (admittedly injured) and Sturridge barely get a look in.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 27, 2017, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: PokerMatt on July 27, 2017, 10:02:19 AM
Thanks for sharing. On the whole positive to read.
However, reading between the lines this bit pricked up my ears a little:
"AM also said that Slavisa Jokanovic's preferred system allowed for flexibility in the type of striker used – the head coach was pleased with the way the likes of Floyd Ayite and Neeskens Kebano performed in the second half of the season and, it could be argued, that they were more effective than the traditional type of forward, such as Chris Martin. AM said the Club was keen to keep to sensible business principles in the transfer market and that the head coach agreed with this approach."
it's what I suspected and why we are linked to players like Ojo who would fit this plan more. I quite like it and similar to how Liverpool play who have a forward three of Coutinho (for now), Firmino and Salah who are all quite interchangeable. Traditional strikers likeIngs (admittedly injured) and Sturridge barely get a look in.
Oh don't get me wrong, I think we looked better playing that way.
I should have been clearer. It was the praise of existing players plus the acknowledgement of a reluctance to spend (sensible business principles) that made me think they're readying us not to expect a striker to come in.
Quote from: PokerMatt on July 27, 2017, 10:06:52 AM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 27, 2017, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: PokerMatt on July 27, 2017, 10:02:19 AM
Thanks for sharing. On the whole positive to read.
However, reading between the lines this bit pricked up my ears a little:
"AM also said that Slavisa Jokanovic's preferred system allowed for flexibility in the type of striker used – the head coach was pleased with the way the likes of Floyd Ayite and Neeskens Kebano performed in the second half of the season and, it could be argued, that they were more effective than the traditional type of forward, such as Chris Martin. AM said the Club was keen to keep to sensible business principles in the transfer market and that the head coach agreed with this approach."
it's what I suspected and why we are linked to players like Ojo who would fit this plan more. I quite like it and similar to how Liverpool play who have a forward three of Coutinho (for now), Firmino and Salah who are all quite interchangeable. Traditional strikers likeIngs (admittedly injured) and Sturridge barely get a look in.
Oh don't get me wrong, I think we looked better playing that way.
I should have been clearer. It was the praise of existing players plus the acknowledgement of a reluctance to spend (sensible business principles) that made me think they're readying us not to expect a striker to come in.
Got you :008:
Just joined the FST for the first time this morning to give them my support and then this arrived - Good read and well done and as far as joining FST goes - better late than not at all.
Thanks very much for that.
Interesting, informative and seems quite open and frank.
I was impressed and a bit surprised at the comprehensive nature of the transfer report.
As far as PokerMatt's observation is concerned; I agree there seems to be a slight suggestion that a striker may not arrive despite efforts being made (you can't force 'em to come!), but the important thing is that Slavisa, rather than us, is prepared for that eventuality.
Thank you for posting this, actually makes me feel more positive with how the club is being run.
Yes, thanks for posting, WW.
He said
'and that the Club was looking to sign players who would increase in value during their time at the football club'
and there we have it I am afraid, the statistic that will kill us stone dead. Effectively an age cap by any other name and also a cap on who we might bring in int that they will not be players at the top of their game.
If messi or ronaldo said they would love to play in london for a championship side, they would not be allowed as there value would decrease and clearly they are too old! a silly example perhaps but certainly gioves an insight to the wrong mind set of our purchasing policy.
What we need to do is get players capable of getting us into the prem, whether their value increases or not would seem secondary to that prize.
Quote from: cmg on July 27, 2017, 10:35:07 AM
Thanks very much for that.
Interesting, informative and seems quite open and frank.
I was impressed and a bit surprised at the comprehensive nature of the transfer report.
As far as PokerMatt's observation is concerned; I agree there seems to be a slight suggestion that a striker may not arrive despite efforts being made (you can't force 'em to come!), but the important thing is that Slavisa, rather than us, is prepared for that eventuality.
I agree, soundls like we are not getting a striker anytime soon. I expect a second rate panic loan deal 30th August!
Quote from: nose on July 27, 2017, 10:44:19 AM
He said
'and that the Club was looking to sign players who would increase in value during their time at the football club'
and there we have it I am afraid, the statistic that will kill us stone dead. Effectively an age cap by any other name and also a cap on who we might bring in int that they will not be players at the top of their game.
I agree, shocking policy. Look what it's done for Southampton... Christ I hope we don't have their level of failure... :hook:
Quote from: nose on July 27, 2017, 10:45:16 AM
Quote from: cmg on July 27, 2017, 10:35:07 AM
Thanks very much for that.
Interesting, informative and seems quite open and frank.
I was impressed and a bit surprised at the comprehensive nature of the transfer report.
As far as PokerMatt's observation is concerned; I agree there seems to be a slight suggestion that a striker may not arrive despite efforts being made (you can't force 'em to come!), but the important thing is that Slavisa, rather than us, is prepared for that eventuality.
I agree, soundls like we are not getting a striker anytime soon. I expect a second rate panic loan deal 30th August!
While it can sound like that the last line states.... AM also stated that the Club's recruitment was far from finished and that everyone was working hard to ensure Slavisa Jokanovic had all the resources he needed to sustain a promotion push during the forthcoming season.
that makes me feel like they will endeacour to secure the players that Slav wants
What is the benefit of becoming an FST member? I know it's only £10 but what benefits are there? Genuinely interested and probably could also help others become members too.
Like for example can you influence the questions asked at these meetings and what else do the trust do that fans can get involved with ?
Thanks for the report. Looking forward to the streaming information for we expats....
Quote from: westcliff white on July 27, 2017, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: nose on July 27, 2017, 10:45:16 AM
Quote from: cmg on July 27, 2017, 10:35:07 AM
Thanks very much for that.
Interesting, informative and seems quite open and frank.
I was impressed and a bit surprised at the comprehensive nature of the transfer report.
As far as PokerMatt's observation is concerned; I agree there seems to be a slight suggestion that a striker may not arrive despite efforts being made (you can't force 'em to come!), but the important thing is that Slavisa, rather than us, is prepared for that eventuality.
I agree, soundls like we are not getting a striker anytime soon. I expect a second rate panic loan deal 30th August!
While it can sound like that the last line states.... AM also stated that the Club's recruitment was far from finished and that everyone was working hard to ensure Slavisa Jokanovic had all the resources he needed to sustain a promotion push during the forthcoming season.
that makes me feel like they will endeacour to secure the players that Slav wants
I hope you are correct but if they were serious we would have done more business by now. I have to say i do not really think the actions and the words of ambition match.... we shall see.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 27, 2017, 10:48:26 AM
Quote from: nose on July 27, 2017, 10:44:19 AM
He said
'and that the Club was looking to sign players who would increase in value during their time at the football club'
and there we have it I am afraid, the statistic that will kill us stone dead. Effectively an age cap by any other name and also a cap on who we might bring in int that they will not be players at the top of their game.
I agree, shocking policy. Look what it's done for Southampton... Christ I hope we don't have their level of failure... :hook:
southampton HAD a plan, we have a series of mega foul ups that have seen us fall from the prem with the three managers and magath, selling the squad and now not buying anyone in january and failing to strengthen at the correct time. I suspect joca is writting his CV now.
Quote from: nose on July 27, 2017, 03:18:21 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 27, 2017, 10:48:26 AM
Quote from: nose on July 27, 2017, 10:44:19 AM
He said
'and that the Club was looking to sign players who would increase in value during their time at the football club'
and there we have it I am afraid, the statistic that will kill us stone dead. Effectively an age cap by any other name and also a cap on who we might bring in int that they will not be players at the top of their game.
I agree, shocking policy. Look what it's done for Southampton... Christ I hope we don't have their level of failure... :hook:
southampton HAD a plan, we have a series of mega foul ups that have seen us fall from the prem with the three managers and magath, selling the squad and now not buying anyone in january and failing to strengthen at the correct time. I suspect joca is writting his CV now.
Wow that's depressing. Don't you agree Southampton had some foul ups to drop into League 1? What happened with Magath comes down to being poorly advised. Joka looks happy in all the tour videos and doesn't strike me a guy to put that on. He's got his spine back and is missing on one starting striker which ideally is in this week...
He's building a project if he leaves he starts again and potentially watches someone else get promoted with his players. Joka has commented it the last 3 months about wanting to be here long term. His two prized assets signed new contracts and we have a team of a similar level to last year.
My question: what do you have to be so gloomy about? A few signings in the next 5 weeks and we are one of the favourites. Let's all chill, and if I'm wrong our manager leaves nobody will die. We will not get relegated and we'll fight again.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 27, 2017, 03:37:21 PM
Quote from: nose on July 27, 2017, 03:18:21 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 27, 2017, 10:48:26 AM
Quote from: nose on July 27, 2017, 10:44:19 AM
He said
'and that the Club was looking to sign players who would increase in value during their time at the football club'
and there we have it I am afraid, the statistic that will kill us stone dead. Effectively an age cap by any other name and also a cap on who we might bring in int that they will not be players at the top of their game.
I agree, shocking policy. Look what it's done for Southampton... Christ I hope we don't have their level of failure... :hook:
southampton HAD a plan, we have a series of mega foul ups that have seen us fall from the prem with the three managers and magath, selling the squad and now not buying anyone in january and failing to strengthen at the correct time. I suspect joca is writting his CV now.
Wow that's depressing. Don't you agree Southampton had some foul ups to drop into League 1? What happened with Magath comes down to being poorly advised. Joka looks happy in all the tour videos and doesn't strike me a guy to put that on. He's got his spine back and is missing on one starting striker which ideally is in this week...
He's building a project if he leaves he starts again and potentially watches someone else get promoted with his players. Joka has commented it the last 3 months about wanting to be here long term. His two prized assets signed new contracts and we have a team of a similar level to last year.
My question: what do you have to be so gloomy about? A few signings in the next 5 weeks and we are one of the favourites. Let's all chill, and if I'm wrong our manager leaves nobody will die. We will not get relegated and we'll fight again.
Marcel my sweetness, I presume you do not follow my comments that well. You tempt me with a sensible question and I am therefore bound to answer.
What am i so gloomy about?
Let's start with Joca. His comments on the official site spoke volumes. Last August he had a mega rant on radio london, last winter a more measured but nonetheless attack on the senior management and before we have kicked a ball the same again now stating we are short of players!
Ok we got a replacement for parker and our center half from last season back. hardly setting the world alight for a management that'will do whatever it takes' and his son that is 'ambitious' to get back to the prem.
Gloomy because we were needlesly relegated, then sold the squad and have ben playing catch up ever since.
Gloomy because having got a brilliant manager we failed to get enough players in place last summer and then again in January to make the push for promotion a formality.
Gloomy because all the Khan's good words come around te time we are selling season tickets but whilst we buy them, they do not follow through
Gloomy because we are less strong in the squad than last season, itr was obvious we needed to get our business done early to give Joca the best chance possible to blend the team
Gloomy because if we do not support Joca, the best manager in the division, he will probably walk, and we will wait years to get somebody as good
Gloomy because I do not think the owner or his son understand how much supporting a team means to us and offering false hope through the slick PR is a cruel and unnecessary joke, better to say we are not investing and let us see if luck prevails.
Regarding the 'nobody will die' comment. I refer you to Bill Shankly
OR
I have supported the team for the best part of 60 years it is an integral part of m,y life. I only want what is best and what is being done by the current owner is not that.
Marcel, I'd recommend you to not bother on this one. Definitely not worth the time typing
Thanks for posting this again. I am useless when it comes to searching the threads out that have been previously posted.
Not much detail on the streaming service but encouraging noises.
Quote from: nose on July 27, 2017, 03:56:52 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 27, 2017, 03:37:21 PM
Quote from: nose on July 27, 2017, 03:18:21 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 27, 2017, 10:48:26 AM
Quote from: nose on July 27, 2017, 10:44:19 AM
He said
'and that the Club was looking to sign players who would increase in value during their time at the football club'
and there we have it I am afraid, the statistic that will kill us stone dead. Effectively an age cap by any other name and also a cap on who we might bring in int that they will not be players at the top of their game.
I agree, shocking policy. Look what it's done for Southampton... Christ I hope we don't have their level of failure... :hook:
southampton HAD a plan, we have a series of mega foul ups that have seen us fall from the prem with the three managers and magath, selling the squad and now not buying anyone in january and failing to strengthen at the correct time. I suspect joca is writting his CV now.
Wow that's depressing. Don't you agree Southampton had some foul ups to drop into League 1? What happened with Magath comes down to being poorly advised. Joka looks happy in all the tour videos and doesn't strike me a guy to put that on. He's got his spine back and is missing on one starting striker which ideally is in this week...
He's building a project if he leaves he starts again and potentially watches someone else get promoted with his players. Joka has commented it the last 3 months about wanting to be here long term. His two prized assets signed new contracts and we have a team of a similar level to last year.
My question: what do you have to be so gloomy about? A few signings in the next 5 weeks and we are one of the favourites. Let's all chill, and if I'm wrong our manager leaves nobody will die. We will not get relegated and we'll fight again.
Marcel my sweetness, I presume you do not follow my comments that well. You tempt me with a sensible question and I am therefore bound to answer.
What am i so gloomy about?
Let's start with Joca. His comments on the official site spoke volumes. Last August he had a mega rant on radio london, last winter a more measured but nonetheless attack on the senior management and before we have kicked a ball the same again now stating we are short of players!
Ok we got a replacement for parker and our center half from last season back. hardly setting the world alight for a management that'will do whatever it takes' and his son that is 'ambitious' to get back to the prem.
Gloomy because we were needlesly relegated, then sold the squad and have ben playing catch up ever since.
Gloomy because having got a brilliant manager we failed to get enough players in place last summer and then again in January to make the push for promotion a formality.
Gloomy because all the Khan's good words come around te time we are selling season tickets but whilst we buy them, they do not follow through
Gloomy because we are less strong in the squad than last season, itr was obvious we needed to get our business done early to give Joca the best chance possible to blend the team
Gloomy because if we do not support Joca, the best manager in the division, he will probably walk, and we will wait years to get somebody as good
Gloomy because I do not think the owner or his son understand how much supporting a team means to us and offering false hope through the slick PR is a cruel and unnecessary joke, better to say we are not investing and let us see if luck prevails.
Regarding the 'nobody will die' comment. I refer you to Bill Shankly
OR
I have supported the team for the best part of 60 years it is an integral part of m,y life. I only want what is best and what is being done by the current owner is not that.
The owner bought recently land next to our training ground to develop for Fulham purposes, spent 25m in the season we were relegated, spent 15m the season after (including breaking the league record for McCormack), bought in the 'best manager in the division' and based on the FST this morning is till committed to revamping the Riverside. He's made errors (Magath, Mitroglou - 11 million pounds by the way, in that market wasn't cheap) but which Director hasn't.
You say you want the best and what Khan is doing is not that which is correct but let me refer you to Messr Oyston, Al-Hasawi, Portsmouth, Notts County, QPR, numerous others. Mate, it could be so much worse. Let's be careful what we wish for. I truly believe the Khan want what is best and I have been impressed by Tony Khan since he started and him and Joka clearly get on well. We are an attractive club to purchase and could easily be at the whim of a wrong'un so let'c ount our lucky stars. Let's also stop looking back to 2013 and look forward to what is shaping up to be an exciting season.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 27, 2017, 04:09:57 PM
Quote from: nose on July 27, 2017, 03:56:52 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 27, 2017, 03:37:21 PM
Quote from: nose on July 27, 2017, 03:18:21 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on July 27, 2017, 10:48:26 AM
Quote from: nose on July 27, 2017, 10:44:19 AM
He said
'and that the Club was looking to sign players who would increase in value during their time at the football club'
and there we have it I am afraid, the statistic that will kill us stone dead. Effectively an age cap by any other name and also a cap on who we might bring in int that they will not be players at the top of their game.
I agree, shocking policy. Look what it's done for Southampton... Christ I hope we don't have their level of failure... :hook:
southampton HAD a plan, we have a series of mega foul ups that have seen us fall from the prem with the three managers and magath, selling the squad and now not buying anyone in january and failing to strengthen at the correct time. I suspect joca is writting his CV now.
Wow that's depressing. Don't you agree Southampton had some foul ups to drop into League 1? What happened with Magath comes down to being poorly advised. Joka looks happy in all the tour videos and doesn't strike me a guy to put that on. He's got his spine back and is missing on one starting striker which ideally is in this week...
He's building a project if he leaves he starts again and potentially watches someone else get promoted with his players. Joka has commented it the last 3 months about wanting to be here long term. His two prized assets signed new contracts and we have a team of a similar level to last year.
My question: what do you have to be so gloomy about? A few signings in the next 5 weeks and we are one of the favourites. Let's all chill, and if I'm wrong our manager leaves nobody will die. We will not get relegated and we'll fight again.
Marcel my sweetness, I presume you do not follow my comments that well. You tempt me with a sensible question and I am therefore bound to answer.
What am i so gloomy about?
Let's start with Joca. His comments on the official site spoke volumes. Last August he had a mega rant on radio london, last winter a more measured but nonetheless attack on the senior management and before we have kicked a ball the same again now stating we are short of players!
Ok we got a replacement for parker and our center half from last season back. hardly setting the world alight for a management that'will do whatever it takes' and his son that is 'ambitious' to get back to the prem.
Gloomy because we were needlesly relegated, then sold the squad and have ben playing catch up ever since.
Gloomy because having got a brilliant manager we failed to get enough players in place last summer and then again in January to make the push for promotion a formality.
Gloomy because all the Khan's good words come around te time we are selling season tickets but whilst we buy them, they do not follow through
Gloomy because we are less strong in the squad than last season, itr was obvious we needed to get our business done early to give Joca the best chance possible to blend the team
Gloomy because if we do not support Joca, the best manager in the division, he will probably walk, and we will wait years to get somebody as good
Gloomy because I do not think the owner or his son understand how much supporting a team means to us and offering false hope through the slick PR is a cruel and unnecessary joke, better to say we are not investing and let us see if luck prevails.
Regarding the 'nobody will die' comment. I refer you to Bill Shankly
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I have supported the team for the best part of 60 years it is an integral part of m,y life. I only want what is best and what is being done by the current owner is not that.
The owner bought recently land next to our training ground to develop for Fulham purposes, spent 25m in the season we were relegated, spent 15m the season after (including breaking the league record for McCormack), bought in the 'best manager in the division' and based on the FST this morning is till committed to revamping the Riverside. He's made errors (Magath, Mitroglou - 11 million pounds by the way, in that market wasn't cheap) but which Director hasn't.
You say you want the best and what Khan is doing is not that which is correct but let me refer you to Messr Oyston, Al-Hasawi, Portsmouth, Notts County, QPR, numerous others. Mate, it could be so much worse. Let's be careful what we wish for. I truly believe the Khan want what is best and I have been impressed by Tony Khan since he started and him and Joka clearly get on well. We are an attractive club to purchase and could easily be at the whim of a wrong'un so let'c ount our lucky stars. Let's also stop looking back to 2013 and look forward to what is shaping up to be an exciting season.
I know all of the owner's qualities and more than once have said I believe hios heart is in the correct place. However I do look back because we made so many avoidable errors and it seems to me that we have not learned the lessons.
Last season we were staggeringly brilliant. we could be the same or even better this season. the error from last term was failure to invest in august and then January..... Nothing has changed, repeating errors.
If the current owner sold the club I do worry we could have somebody vastly worse.
I admire your optimism and it seems that so many posters who are new or infrequent fall into the category of being very optimistic, which always strikes me as strange as people that post usually do so to complain. If the owner truely wants success and he has said he does, then he should take a deep breath, trust the manager and let him bring in the players he needs and dispense with mr kline's sevices as the arbiter. he could call me and i would help him spend his money wisely on my behalf.
we have a great chance, right now, immediately.... we need to seize it, not hesitate.
And by the way, mitro was always a dreadful move. buying an injured player in january is suicidal, the man (mitro) has no moral compass and the club should have always seen through that as being wrong.
Although I appreciate the time the Trust gives to its members, I hope the club don't think the Trust represents all fans.
Why would the trust have " String reservations"about the Checkatrade trophy.
I'd rather let that judgement be left to the professionals at the club who see it as a great opportunity for our youngsters.
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 27, 2017, 04:52:06 PM
Although I appreciate the time the Trust gives to its members, I hope the club don't think the Trust represents all fans.
Why would the trust have " String reservations"about the Checkatrade trophy.
I'd rather let that judgement be left to the professionals at the club who see it as a great opportunity for our youngsters.
I'd absolutely second that, it stood out as a glaring example of ST interference.
However, the rest of the content was good, and I will look into rejoining the ST.
Quote from: Wolf on July 27, 2017, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 27, 2017, 04:52:06 PM
Although I appreciate the time the Trust gives to its members, I hope the club don't think the Trust represents all fans.
Why would the trust have " String reservations"about the Checkatrade trophy.
I'd rather let that judgement be left to the professionals at the club who see it as a great opportunity for our youngsters.
I'd absolutely second that, it stood out as a glaring example of ST interference.
However, the rest of the content was good, and I will look into rejoining the ST.
To be fair it might of come across a bit strong, but like you that was the one bit that jumped out at me and got my back up.
I believe it's a great chance for our youngsters and I agree with the club in acepting the invite.
Absolutely loved reading this! Thank you to all involved and especially to the club for being transparent
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 27, 2017, 05:05:38 PM
Quote from: Wolf on July 27, 2017, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 27, 2017, 04:52:06 PM
Although I appreciate the time the Trust gives to its members, I hope the club don't think the Trust represents all fans.
Why would the trust have " String reservations"about the Checkatrade trophy.
I'd rather let that judgement be left to the professionals at the club who see it as a great opportunity for our youngsters.
I'd absolutely second that, it stood out as a glaring example of ST interference.
However, the rest of the content was good, and I will look into rejoining the ST.
To be fair it might of come across a bit strong, but like you that was the one bit that jumped out at me and got my back up.
I believe it's a great chance for our youngsters and I agree with the club in acepting the invite.
I'm all for us playing in this competition.
Reserve team football is a joke so anything that gives youngsters a taste of proper "Mens" football is good with me.
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on July 28, 2017, 10:24:30 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 27, 2017, 05:05:38 PM
Quote from: Wolf on July 27, 2017, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 27, 2017, 04:52:06 PM
Although I appreciate the time the Trust gives to its members, I hope the club don't think the Trust represents all fans.
Why would the trust have " String reservations"about the Checkatrade trophy.
I'd rather let that judgement be left to the professionals at the club who see it as a great opportunity for our youngsters.
I'd absolutely second that, it stood out as a glaring example of ST interference.
However, the rest of the content was good, and I will look into rejoining the ST.
To be fair it might of come across a bit strong, but like you that was the one bit that jumped out at me and got my back up.
I believe it's a great chance for our youngsters and I agree with the club in acepting the invite.
I'm all for us playing in this competition.
Reserve team football is a joke so anything that gives youngsters a taste of proper "Mens" football is good with me.
Im not a member so wouldn't know , but do members get surveyed on questions they ask the club or is their stance of they strongly oppose to this competition just the views of one or 2 of the committee?
Genuine question .
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 28, 2017, 10:52:10 AM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on July 28, 2017, 10:24:30 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 27, 2017, 05:05:38 PM
Quote from: Wolf on July 27, 2017, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 27, 2017, 04:52:06 PM
Although I appreciate the time the Trust gives to its members, I hope the club don't think the Trust represents all fans.
Why would the trust have " String reservations"about the Checkatrade trophy.
I'd rather let that judgement be left to the professionals at the club who see it as a great opportunity for our youngsters.
I'd absolutely second that, it stood out as a glaring example of ST interference.
However, the rest of the content was good, and I will look into rejoining the ST.
To be fair it might of come across a bit strong, but like you that was the one bit that jumped out at me and got my back up.
I believe it's a great chance for our youngsters and I agree with the club in acepting the invite.
I'm all for us playing in this competition.
Reserve team football is a joke so anything that gives youngsters a taste of proper "Mens" football is good with me.
Im not a member so wouldn't know , but do members get surveyed on questions they ask the club or is their stance if the strongly oppose to this competition just the views of one or 2 of the committee?
Genuine question .
mjg has asked me to post this
"The FST has 'reservations' about the tournament because most lower league clubs worry about B Team creep into the lower leagues. And see this as a first step towards possible integration of teams into the lower divisions."
If you could also add that Mike does not totally agree with that view but its the stated Trust view as it is with Supporters Direct and other fan organisations.
I'm sorry but I'm still not too sure who are opposed to it.
I know you said the Trust is opposed to it but who exactly?
I can't see Clubs having aB side in league 1 or 2
On the plus , teams like Sunderland who are in it will bring more fans than another league2 club for example thus helping the smaller clubs.
It also gives youngsters a chance to play a more competitive game in front of bigger crowds.
Quote from: fulhamben on July 28, 2017, 10:59:39 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 28, 2017, 10:52:10 AM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on July 28, 2017, 10:24:30 AM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 27, 2017, 05:05:38 PM
Quote from: Wolf on July 27, 2017, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 27, 2017, 04:52:06 PM
Although I appreciate the time the Trust gives to its members, I hope the club don't think the Trust represents all fans.
Why would the trust have " String reservations"about the Checkatrade trophy.
I'd rather let that judgement be left to the professionals at the club who see it as a great opportunity for our youngsters.
I'd absolutely second that, it stood out as a glaring example of ST interference.
However, the rest of the content was good, and I will look into rejoining the ST.
To be fair it might of come across a bit strong, but like you that was the one bit that jumped out at me and got my back up.
I believe it's a great chance for our youngsters and I agree with the club in acepting the invite.
I'm all for us playing in this competition.
Reserve team football is a joke so anything that gives youngsters a taste of proper "Mens" football is good with me.
Im not a member so wouldn't know , but do members get surveyed on questions they ask the club or is their stance if the strongly oppose to this competition just the views of one or 2 of the committee?
Genuine question .
mjg has asked me to post this
"The FST has 'reservations' about the tournament because most lower league clubs worry about B Team creep into the lower leagues. And see this as a first step towards possible integration of teams into the lower divisions."
If you could also add that Mike does not totally agree with that view but its the stated Trust view as it is with Supporters Direct and other fan organisations.
Good to see MJG is still reading FOF . I would be delighted if he and the mods can bury their hatchets from last seasons end and he can start posting here again. His contributions were valued by many of us .
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Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 28, 2017, 12:14:48 PM
I can't see Clubs having aB side in league 1 or 2
Maybe not, but it happens in Spain, Portugal, Netherlands.
Quote from: cmg on July 28, 2017, 01:14:56 PM
Quote from: SouthfieldWhite on July 28, 2017, 12:14:48 PM
I can't see Clubs having aB side in league 1 or 2
Maybe not, but it happens in Spain, Portugal, Netherlands.
With due respect our leagues are different to those you named.
A lot of teams in league 1 and 2 get bigger cross than teams in the second tier of most European countries.
