FST Meeting in July

[nose]

He said
'and that the Club was looking to sign players who would increase in value during their time at the football club'
and there we have it I am afraid, the statistic that will kill us stone dead. Effectively an age cap by any other name and also a cap on who we might bring in int that they will not be players at the top of their game.

I agree, shocking policy. Look what it's done for Southampton... Christ I hope we don't have their level of failure... :hook:

southampton HAD a plan, we have a series of mega foul ups that have seen us fall from the prem with the three managers and magath, selling the squad and now not buying anyone in january and failing to strengthen at the correct time. I suspect joca is writting his CV now.

Wow that's depressing. Don't you agree Southampton had some foul ups to drop into League 1? What happened with Magath comes down to being poorly advised. Joka looks happy in all the tour videos and doesn't strike me a guy to put that on. He's got his spine back and is missing on one starting striker which ideally is in this week...

He's building a project if he leaves he starts again and potentially watches someone else get promoted with his players. Joka has commented it the last 3 months about wanting to be here long term. His two prized assets signed new contracts and we have a team of a similar level to last year.

My question: what do you have to be so gloomy about? A few signings in the next 5 weeks and we are one of the favourites. Let's all chill, and if I'm wrong our manager leaves nobody will die. We will not get relegated and we'll fight again.

Marcel my sweetness, I presume you do not follow my comments that well. You tempt me with a sensible question and I am therefore bound to answer.
What am i so gloomy about?
Let's start with Joca. His comments on the official site spoke volumes. Last August he had a mega rant on radio london, last winter a more measured but nonetheless attack on the senior management and before we have kicked a ball the same again now stating we are short of players!
Ok we got a replacement for parker and our center half from last season back. hardly setting the world alight for a management that'will do whatever it takes' and his son that is 'ambitious' to get back to the prem.

Gloomy because we were needlesly relegated, then sold the squad and have ben playing catch up ever since.
Gloomy because having got a brilliant manager we failed to get enough players in place last summer and then again in January to make the push for promotion a formality.
Gloomy because all the Khan's good words come around te time we are selling season tickets but whilst we buy them, they do not follow through
Gloomy because we are less strong in the squad than last season, itr was obvious we needed to get our business done early to give Joca the best chance possible to blend the team
Gloomy because if we do not support Joca, the best manager in the division, he will probably walk, and we will wait years to get somebody as good
Gloomy because I do not think the owner or his son understand how much supporting a team means to us and offering false hope through the slick PR is a cruel and unnecessary joke, better to say we are not investing and let us see if luck prevails.
Regarding the 'nobody will die' comment. I refer you to Bill Shankly

OR
I have supported the team for the best part of 60 years it is an integral part of m,y life. I only want what is best and what is being done by the current owner is not that.

[dhowells21]

Marcel, I'd recommend you to not bother on this one. Definitely not worth the time typing

[terryr]

Thanks for posting this again. I am useless when it comes to searching the threads out that have been previously posted.
Not much detail on the streaming service but encouraging noises.

[Marcel_Gecov]

He said
'and that the Club was looking to sign players who would increase in value during their time at the football club'
and there we have it I am afraid, the statistic that will kill us stone dead. Effectively an age cap by any other name and also a cap on who we might bring in int that they will not be players at the top of their game.

I agree, shocking policy. Look what it's done for Southampton... Christ I hope we don't have their level of failure... :hook:

southampton HAD a plan, we have a series of mega foul ups that have seen us fall from the prem with the three managers and magath, selling the squad and now not buying anyone in january and failing to strengthen at the correct time. I suspect joca is writting his CV now.

Wow that's depressing. Don't you agree Southampton had some foul ups to drop into League 1? What happened with Magath comes down to being poorly advised. Joka looks happy in all the tour videos and doesn't strike me a guy to put that on. He's got his spine back and is missing on one starting striker which ideally is in this week...

He's building a project if he leaves he starts again and potentially watches someone else get promoted with his players. Joka has commented it the last 3 months about wanting to be here long term. His two prized assets signed new contracts and we have a team of a similar level to last year.

My question: what do you have to be so gloomy about? A few signings in the next 5 weeks and we are one of the favourites. Let's all chill, and if I'm wrong our manager leaves nobody will die. We will not get relegated and we'll fight again.

Marcel my sweetness, I presume you do not follow my comments that well. You tempt me with a sensible question and I am therefore bound to answer.
What am i so gloomy about?
Let's start with Joca. His comments on the official site spoke volumes. Last August he had a mega rant on radio london, last winter a more measured but nonetheless attack on the senior management and before we have kicked a ball the same again now stating we are short of players!
Ok we got a replacement for parker and our center half from last season back. hardly setting the world alight for a management that'will do whatever it takes' and his son that is 'ambitious' to get back to the prem.

Gloomy because we were needlesly relegated, then sold the squad and have ben playing catch up ever since.
Gloomy because having got a brilliant manager we failed to get enough players in place last summer and then again in January to make the push for promotion a formality.
Gloomy because all the Khan's good words come around te time we are selling season tickets but whilst we buy them, they do not follow through
Gloomy because we are less strong in the squad than last season, itr was obvious we needed to get our business done early to give Joca the best chance possible to blend the team
Gloomy because if we do not support Joca, the best manager in the division, he will probably walk, and we will wait years to get somebody as good
Gloomy because I do not think the owner or his son understand how much supporting a team means to us and offering false hope through the slick PR is a cruel and unnecessary joke, better to say we are not investing and let us see if luck prevails.
Regarding the 'nobody will die' comment. I refer you to Bill Shankly

OR
I have supported the team for the best part of 60 years it is an integral part of m,y life. I only want what is best and what is being done by the current owner is not that.

The owner bought recently land next to our training ground to develop for Fulham purposes, spent 25m in the season we were relegated, spent 15m the season after (including breaking the league record for McCormack), bought in the 'best manager in the division' and based on the FST this morning is till committed to revamping the Riverside. He's made errors (Magath, Mitroglou - 11 million pounds by the way, in that market wasn't cheap) but which Director hasn't.

You say you want the best and what Khan is doing is not that which is correct but let me refer you to Messr Oyston,  Al-Hasawi, Portsmouth, Notts County, QPR, numerous others. Mate, it could be so much worse. Let's be careful what we wish for. I truly believe the Khan want what is best and I have been impressed by Tony Khan since he started and him and Joka clearly get on well.  We are an attractive club to purchase and could easily be at the whim of a wrong'un so let'c ount our lucky stars. Let's also stop looking back to 2013 and look forward to what is shaping up to be an exciting season.

[nose]

He said
'and that the Club was looking to sign players who would increase in value during their time at the football club'
and there we have it I am afraid, the statistic that will kill us stone dead. Effectively an age cap by any other name and also a cap on who we might bring in int that they will not be players at the top of their game.

I agree, shocking policy. Look what it's done for Southampton... Christ I hope we don't have their level of failure... :hook:

southampton HAD a plan, we have a series of mega foul ups that have seen us fall from the prem with the three managers and magath, selling the squad and now not buying anyone in january and failing to strengthen at the correct time. I suspect joca is writting his CV now.

Wow that's depressing. Don't you agree Southampton had some foul ups to drop into League 1? What happened with Magath comes down to being poorly advised. Joka looks happy in all the tour videos and doesn't strike me a guy to put that on. He's got his spine back and is missing on one starting striker which ideally is in this week...

He's building a project if he leaves he starts again and potentially watches someone else get promoted with his players. Joka has commented it the last 3 months about wanting to be here long term. His two prized assets signed new contracts and we have a team of a similar level to last year.

My question: what do you have to be so gloomy about? A few signings in the next 5 weeks and we are one of the favourites. Let's all chill, and if I'm wrong our manager leaves nobody will die. We will not get relegated and we'll fight again.

Marcel my sweetness, I presume you do not follow my comments that well. You tempt me with a sensible question and I am therefore bound to answer.
What am i so gloomy about?
Let's start with Joca. His comments on the official site spoke volumes. Last August he had a mega rant on radio london, last winter a more measured but nonetheless attack on the senior management and before we have kicked a ball the same again now stating we are short of players!
Ok we got a replacement for parker and our center half from last season back. hardly setting the world alight for a management that'will do whatever it takes' and his son that is 'ambitious' to get back to the prem.

Gloomy because we were needlesly relegated, then sold the squad and have ben playing catch up ever since.
Gloomy because having got a brilliant manager we failed to get enough players in place last summer and then again in January to make the push for promotion a formality.
Gloomy because all the Khan's good words come around te time we are selling season tickets but whilst we buy them, they do not follow through
Gloomy because we are less strong in the squad than last season, itr was obvious we needed to get our business done early to give Joca the best chance possible to blend the team
Gloomy because if we do not support Joca, the best manager in the division, he will probably walk, and we will wait years to get somebody as good
Gloomy because I do not think the owner or his son understand how much supporting a team means to us and offering false hope through the slick PR is a cruel and unnecessary joke, better to say we are not investing and let us see if luck prevails.
Regarding the 'nobody will die' comment. I refer you to Bill Shankly

OR
I have supported the team for the best part of 60 years it is an integral part of m,y life. I only want what is best and what is being done by the current owner is not that.

The owner bought recently land next to our training ground to develop for Fulham purposes, spent 25m in the season we were relegated, spent 15m the season after (including breaking the league record for McCormack), bought in the 'best manager in the division' and based on the FST this morning is till committed to revamping the Riverside. He's made errors (Magath, Mitroglou - 11 million pounds by the way, in that market wasn't cheap) but which Director hasn't.

You say you want the best and what Khan is doing is not that which is correct but let me refer you to Messr Oyston,  Al-Hasawi, Portsmouth, Notts County, QPR, numerous others. Mate, it could be so much worse. Let's be careful what we wish for. I truly believe the Khan want what is best and I have been impressed by Tony Khan since he started and him and Joka clearly get on well.  We are an attractive club to purchase and could easily be at the whim of a wrong'un so let'c ount our lucky stars. Let's also stop looking back to 2013 and look forward to what is shaping up to be an exciting season.

I know all of the owner's qualities and more than once have said I believe hios heart is in the correct place. However I do look back because we made so many avoidable errors and it seems to me that we have not learned the lessons.
Last season we were staggeringly brilliant. we could be the same or even better this season. the error from last term was failure to invest in august and then January.....   Nothing has changed, repeating errors.

If the current owner sold the club I do worry we could have somebody vastly worse.

I admire your optimism and it seems that so many posters who are new or infrequent fall into the category of being very optimistic, which always strikes me as strange as people that post usually do so to complain. If the owner truely wants success and he has said he does, then he should take a deep breath, trust the manager and let him bring in the players he needs and dispense with mr kline's sevices as the arbiter. he could call me and i would help him spend his money wisely on my behalf.

we have a great chance, right now, immediately.... we need to seize it, not hesitate.

And by the way, mitro was always a dreadful move. buying an injured player in january is suicidal, the man (mitro) has no moral compass and the club should have always seen through that as being wrong.

[SouthfieldWhite]

Although I appreciate the time the Trust gives to its members, I hope the club don't think the Trust represents all fans.

Why would the  trust have " String reservations"about the Checkatrade trophy.

I'd rather let that judgement be left to the professionals at the club who see it as a great opportunity for our youngsters.

[Wolf]

Although I appreciate the time the Trust gives to its members, I hope the club don't think the Trust represents all fans.

Why would the  trust have " String reservations"about the Checkatrade trophy.

I'd rather let that judgement be left to the professionals at the club who see it as a great opportunity for our youngsters.

I'd absolutely second that, it stood out as a glaring example of ST interference.

However, the rest of the content was good, and I will look into rejoining the ST.

[SouthfieldWhite]

Although I appreciate the time the Trust gives to its members, I hope the club don't think the Trust represents all fans.

Why would the  trust have " String reservations"about the Checkatrade trophy.

I'd rather let that judgement be left to the professionals at the club who see it as a great opportunity for our youngsters.

I'd absolutely second that, it stood out as a glaring example of ST interference.

However, the rest of the content was good, and I will look into rejoining the ST.

To be fair it might of come across a bit strong, but like you that was the one bit that jumped out at me and got my back up.
I believe it's a great chance for our youngsters and I agree with the club in acepting the invite.

[therealjaybee]

Absolutely loved reading this! Thank you to all involved and especially to the club for being transparent

[bill taylors apprentice]

Although I appreciate the time the Trust gives to its members, I hope the club don't think the Trust represents all fans.

Why would the  trust have " String reservations"about the Checkatrade trophy.

I'd rather let that judgement be left to the professionals at the club who see it as a great opportunity for our youngsters.

I'd absolutely second that, it stood out as a glaring example of ST interference.

However, the rest of the content was good, and I will look into rejoining the ST.

To be fair it might of come across a bit strong, but like you that was the one bit that jumped out at me and got my back up.
I believe it's a great chance for our youngsters and I agree with the club in acepting the invite.

I'm all for us playing in this competition.
Reserve team football is a joke so anything that gives youngsters a taste of proper "Mens" football is good with me.

[SouthfieldWhite]

Although I appreciate the time the Trust gives to its members, I hope the club don't think the Trust represents all fans.

Why would the  trust have " String reservations"about the Checkatrade trophy.

I'd rather let that judgement be left to the professionals at the club who see it as a great opportunity for our youngsters.

I'd absolutely second that, it stood out as a glaring example of ST interference.

However, the rest of the content was good, and I will look into rejoining the ST.

To be fair it might of come across a bit strong, but like you that was the one bit that jumped out at me and got my back up.
I believe it's a great chance for our youngsters and I agree with the club in acepting the invite.

I'm all for us playing in this competition.
Reserve team football is a joke so anything that gives youngsters a taste of proper "Mens" football is good with me.

Im not a member so wouldn't know , but do members get surveyed on questions they ask the club or is their stance of they strongly oppose to this competition just the views of one or 2 of the committee?

Genuine question .

[fulhamben]

Although I appreciate the time the Trust gives to its members, I hope the club don't think the Trust represents all fans.

Why would the  trust have " String reservations"about the Checkatrade trophy.

I'd rather let that judgement be left to the professionals at the club who see it as a great opportunity for our youngsters.

I'd absolutely second that, it stood out as a glaring example of ST interference.

However, the rest of the content was good, and I will look into rejoining the ST.

To be fair it might of come across a bit strong, but like you that was the one bit that jumped out at me and got my back up.
I believe it's a great chance for our youngsters and I agree with the club in acepting the invite.

I'm all for us playing in this competition.
Reserve team football is a joke so anything that gives youngsters a taste of proper "Mens" football is good with me.

Im not a member so wouldn't know , but do members get surveyed on questions they ask the club or is their stance if the strongly oppose to this competition just the views of one or 2 of the committee?

Genuine question .

mjg has asked me to post this


"The FST has 'reservations' about the tournament because most lower league clubs worry about B Team creep into the lower leagues. And see this as a first step towards possible integration of teams into the lower divisions."

If you could also add that Mike does not totally agree with that view but its the stated Trust view as it is with Supporters Direct and other fan organisations.

[SouthfieldWhite]

I'm sorry but I'm still not too sure who are opposed to it.
I know you said the Trust is opposed to it but who exactly?


I can't see Clubs having aB side in league 1 or 2

On the plus , teams like Sunderland who are in it will bring more fans than another league2 club for example thus helping the smaller clubs.

It also gives youngsters a chance to play a more competitive game in front of bigger crowds.

[Riverside]

Although I appreciate the time the Trust gives to its members, I hope the club don't think the Trust represents all fans.

Why would the  trust have " String reservations"about the Checkatrade trophy.

I'd rather let that judgement be left to the professionals at the club who see it as a great opportunity for our youngsters.

I'd absolutely second that, it stood out as a glaring example of ST interference.

However, the rest of the content was good, and I will look into rejoining the ST.

To be fair it might of come across a bit strong, but like you that was the one bit that jumped out at me and got my back up.
I believe it's a great chance for our youngsters and I agree with the club in acepting the invite.

I'm all for us playing in this competition.
Reserve team football is a joke so anything that gives youngsters a taste of proper "Mens" football is good with me.

Im not a member so wouldn't know , but do members get surveyed on questions they ask the club or is their stance if the strongly oppose to this competition just the views of one or 2 of the committee?

Genuine question .

mjg has asked me to post this


"The FST has 'reservations' about the tournament because most lower league clubs worry about B Team creep into the lower leagues. And see this as a first step towards possible integration of teams into the lower divisions."

If you could also add that Mike does not totally agree with that view but its the stated Trust view as it is with Supporters Direct and other fan organisations.

Good to see MJG is still reading FOF . I would be delighted if he and the mods can bury their hatchets from last seasons end and he can start posting here again. His contributions were valued by many of us .


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[cmg]

I can't see Clubs having aB side in league 1 or 2

Maybe not, but it happens in Spain, Portugal, Netherlands.

[SouthfieldWhite]

I can't see Clubs having aB side in league 1 or 2

Maybe not, but it happens in Spain, Portugal, Netherlands.

With due respect our leagues are different to those you named.
A lot of teams in league 1 and 2 get bigger cross than teams in the second tier of most European countries.