Is it possible for somebody to update the squad to show depth following these most recent signings? I imagine only CB will look light...
Oo i liked that four team structure way of doing it we had on the last thread
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Yeah it's such a clear way to view where we are...
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
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Only RB looks light on that - but then Odoi moves over Cisse can jump in as well. Perhaps Sess should be on there as an LB as well instead of LW. As I suspected just a need for a decent CB and we have had the best summer we could have had.
Also intrigued by Fossey, is he fit for this evening?
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
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Only RB looks light on that - but then Odoi moves over Cisse can jump in as well. Perhaps Sess should be on there as an LB as well instead of LW. As I suspected just a need for a decent CB and we have had the best summer we could have had.
Also intrigued by Fossey, is he fit for this evening?
Not yet it seems. Im a bit concerned about how long hes not been around.
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
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Thanks :)
I think Aluko might go you know... looking at that...
Would have Sess taking the place of Ayite as I don't rate Ayite as much as others (but each to their own!). Then Betts, Odoi, Cisse, Kebano, and Kamara on the bench.
Pretty tasty!
Piazon, Edun, Ojo, Norwood as squad players.
Quote from: Milo on August 22, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
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Thanks :)
I think Aluko might go you know... looking at that...
Would have Sess taking the place of Ayite as I don't rate Ayite as much as others (but each to their own!). Then Betts, Odoi, Cisse, Kebano, and Kamara on the bench.
Pretty tasty!
Piazon and Norwood as squad players.
I cheated a bit by taking Piazon out of the lineups, but we have a lot of options, Id say at least one too many now for front six. You can have too many and can bring two issues. Unhappy players and also keep tinkering with lineups.
Is there room for another Centre Back, especially with the rumours that Madl is unsettled. As he wants first team football.
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Milo on August 22, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
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Thanks :)
I think Aluko might go you know... looking at that...
Would have Sess taking the place of Ayite as I don't rate Ayite as much as others (but each to their own!). Then Betts, Odoi, Cisse, Kebano, and Kamara on the bench.
Pretty tasty!
Piazon and Norwood as squad players.
I cheated a bit by taking Piazon out of the lineups, but we have a lot of options, Id say at least one too many now for front six. You can have too many and can bring two issues. Unhappy players and also keep tinkering with lineups.
Hmm don't know about that. We have 8 for 3 positions. However as we see currently with Ayite and Piazon injured you will also have niggles and as Sess can drop back you have a few options.
If we sell Aluko and then Ojo gets injured against Cardiff like Piazon did we'll be spitting bullets. I think this will be the squad we'll start the season with + 1 CB.
Williams/ Kav must be the obvious departures from that list.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 10:59:30 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Milo on August 22, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
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Thanks :)
I think Aluko might go you know... looking at that...
Would have Sess taking the place of Ayite as I don't rate Ayite as much as others (but each to their own!). Then Betts, Odoi, Cisse, Kebano, and Kamara on the bench.
Pretty tasty!
Piazon and Norwood as squad players.
I cheated a bit by taking Piazon out of the lineups, but we have a lot of options, Id say at least one too many now for front six. You can have too many and can bring two issues. Unhappy players and also keep tinkering with lineups.
Hmm don't know about that. We have 8 for 3 positions. However as we see currently with Ayite and Piazon injured you will also have niggles and as Sess can drop back you have a few options.
If we sell Aluko and then Ojo gets injured against Cardiff like Piazon did we'll be spitting bullets. I think this will be the squad we'll start the season with + 1 CB.
Williams/ Kav must be the obvious departures from that list.
You can take number of injuries to an extreme but vast majority of time 2 for each position and then younger players is option I think we will and should go with.
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 11:03:26 AM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 10:59:30 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Milo on August 22, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
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Thanks :)
I think Aluko might go you know... looking at that...
Would have Sess taking the place of Ayite as I don't rate Ayite as much as others (but each to their own!). Then Betts, Odoi, Cisse, Kebano, and Kamara on the bench.
Pretty tasty!
Piazon and Norwood as squad players.
I cheated a bit by taking Piazon out of the lineups, but we have a lot of options, Id say at least one too many now for front six. You can have too many and can bring two issues. Unhappy players and also keep tinkering with lineups.
Hmm don't know about that. We have 8 for 3 positions. However as we see currently with Ayite and Piazon injured you will also have niggles and as Sess can drop back you have a few options.
If we sell Aluko and then Ojo gets injured against Cardiff like Piazon did we'll be spitting bullets. I think this will be the squad we'll start the season with + 1 CB.
Williams/ Kav must be the obvious departures from that list.
You can take number of injuries to an extreme but vast majority of time 2 for each position and then younger players is option I think we will and should go with.
All I'm saying is that Id be surprised if we get rid, particularly if it's Aluko who SJ is keen on and who has played 332 minutes out of a possible 360 so far (and perhaps the League cup game???).
With Soares coming in, the squad is really starting to look good.
It begs the question, will that be it? Surely another CB is a must.
Another CB is a big priority, preferably one that masters the defence, commanding at set pieces, has a physical presence, a leader who destroys attacks by just glaring at an opponent.
Just out of interest where would you put Piazon in the ranking if all players were fit?
Rarely any mention of the midfield in any squad depth discussions these days, it is one of the few areas where we don't have 2 players in each position.
I accept that Norwood and Cisse looks like 2 very strong "subs", but I don't think we have much after that.
IMO, the younger players are not ready for such central role and few (if any) of the defenders/forwards would fit in well here (potentially Kebano or Ream?). It is also a position that is prone to have a few suspensions and where we could benefit with some fresh legs toward the end of the game. I would prefer if we had one more option, but it might be hard to recruit for with 5 strong players already in place.
Quote from: mlangstrom on August 22, 2017, 01:10:18 PM
Rarely any mention of the midfield in any squad depth discussions these days, it is one of the few areas where we don't have 2 players in each position.
I accept that Norwood and Cisse looks like 2 very strong "subs", but I don't think we have much after that.
IMO, the younger players are not ready for such central role and few (if any) of the defenders/forwards would fit in well here (potentially Kebano or Ream?). It is also a position that is prone to have a few suspensions and where we could benefit with some fresh legs toward the end of the game. I would prefer if we had one more option, but it might be hard to recruit for with 5 strong players already in place.
Agreed. However if Edun isn't viewed as a loan departure (which i think he should be viewed as. Burton?) then he'll be number 6.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: mlangstrom on August 22, 2017, 01:10:18 PM
Rarely any mention of the midfield in any squad depth discussions these days, it is one of the few areas where we don't have 2 players in each position.
I accept that Norwood and Cisse looks like 2 very strong "subs", but I don't think we have much after that.
IMO, the younger players are not ready for such central role and few (if any) of the defenders/forwards would fit in well here (potentially Kebano or Ream?). It is also a position that is prone to have a few suspensions and where we could benefit with some fresh legs toward the end of the game. I would prefer if we had one more option, but it might be hard to recruit for with 5 strong players already in place.
Agreed. However if Edun isn't viewed as a loan departure (which i think he should be viewed as. Burton?) then he'll be number 6.
You also have when fit Del Torre who can play the advanced role and Adeniran. Both of which I would trust and given their fitness unlikely they will be ready to loan out. So think we are covered this side of Xmas.
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: mlangstrom on August 22, 2017, 01:10:18 PM
Rarely any mention of the midfield in any squad depth discussions these days, it is one of the few areas where we don't have 2 players in each position.
I accept that Norwood and Cisse looks like 2 very strong "subs", but I don't think we have much after that.
IMO, the younger players are not ready for such central role and few (if any) of the defenders/forwards would fit in well here (potentially Kebano or Ream?). It is also a position that is prone to have a few suspensions and where we could benefit with some fresh legs toward the end of the game. I would prefer if we had one more option, but it might be hard to recruit for with 5 strong players already in place.
Agreed. However if Edun isn't viewed as a loan departure (which i think he should be viewed as. Burton?) then he'll be number 6.
You also have when fit Del Torre who can play the advanced role and Adeniran. Both of which I would trust and given their fitness unlikely they will be ready to loan out. So think we are covered this side of Xmas.
Fair enough, as long as Cairney, McD or Johansen don't have any injury setbacks in the next 10 days we should hopefully be ok until xmas.
The scary thought is that one injury would leave us with 4 players to cover 3 positions. But hey, that's still better or the same as last year!
Quote from: mlangstrom on August 22, 2017, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: mlangstrom on August 22, 2017, 01:10:18 PM
Rarely any mention of the midfield in any squad depth discussions these days, it is one of the few areas where we don't have 2 players in each position.
I accept that Norwood and Cisse looks like 2 very strong "subs", but I don't think we have much after that.
IMO, the younger players are not ready for such central role and few (if any) of the defenders/forwards would fit in well here (potentially Kebano or Ream?). It is also a position that is prone to have a few suspensions and where we could benefit with some fresh legs toward the end of the game. I would prefer if we had one more option, but it might be hard to recruit for with 5 strong players already in place.
Agreed. However if Edun isn't viewed as a loan departure (which i think he should be viewed as. Burton?) then he'll be number 6.
You also have when fit Del Torre who can play the advanced role and Adeniran. Both of which I would trust and given their fitness unlikely they will be ready to loan out. So think we are covered this side of Xmas.
Fair enough, as long as Cairney, McD or Johansen don't have any injury setbacks in the next 10 days we should hopefully be ok until xmas.
The scary thought is that one injury would leave us with 4 players to cover 3 positions. But hey, that's still better or the same as last year!
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Also has there been any update on Piazon as he could also cover in this area.
Has Ojo got an agreement within the terms of his loan on selection? I'd be amazed if he hadn't.
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 22, 2017, 02:11:04 PM
Has Ojo got an agreement within the terms of his loan on selection? I'd be amazed if he hadn't.
There can officially be no agreement in contracts regarding playing time.
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 02:25:20 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 22, 2017, 02:11:04 PM
Has Ojo got an agreement within the terms of his loan on selection? I'd be amazed if he hadn't.
There can officially be no agreement in contracts regarding playing time.
Equally no call backs until Jan so if Liverpool are unhappy then tough.
Quote from: Statto on August 22, 2017, 02:00:08 PM
I think a number of our attacking players could cover Cairney's role if necessary. Piazon certainly, probably Fonte playing deeper and some others.
Personally I see Norwood, Cisse, McDonald and Johansen as 4 players just for 2 positions so you need 3 simultaneous injuries there to be in trouble and even then you have the youth
We have plenty of cover for the central midfield roles as you say, Cisse looks to be a very useful utility player as he can also play CB and RB.
Quote from: Statto on August 22, 2017, 02:28:53 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 02:25:20 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 22, 2017, 02:11:04 PM
Has Ojo got an agreement within the terms of his loan on selection? I'd be amazed if he hadn't.
There can officially be no agreement in contracts regarding playing time.
Not disagreeing but with Woodrow we've shown what you can do around the fringes of that, a loan fee that increases if the player doesn't get playing time.
Yes but is not 'must play' instruction which would nit be allowed
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:52:31 AM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
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Only RB looks light on that - but then Odoi moves over Cisse can jump in as well. Perhaps Sess should be on there as an LB as well instead of LW. As I suspected just a need for a decent CB and we have had the best summer we could have had.
Also intrigued by Fossey, is he fit for this evening?
Not yet it seems. Im a bit concerned about how long hes not been around.
Knee injury back in May with U20s for US. Would expect to be back by December/January.
Quote from: Statto on August 22, 2017, 02:28:53 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 02:25:20 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 22, 2017, 02:11:04 PM
Has Ojo got an agreement within the terms of his loan on selection? I'd be amazed if he hadn't.
There can officially be no agreement in contracts regarding playing time.
Not disagreeing but with Woodrow we've shown what you can do around the fringes of that, a loan fee that increases if the player doesn't get playing time.
Basically there's a penalty if you don't play them but in the grand scheme of things it's not a huge problem.
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 02:42:33 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 22, 2017, 02:28:53 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 02:25:20 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 22, 2017, 02:11:04 PM
Has Ojo got an agreement within the terms of his loan on selection? I'd be amazed if he hadn't.
There can officially be no agreement in contracts regarding playing time.
Not disagreeing but with Woodrow we've shown what you can do around the fringes of that, a loan fee that increases if the player doesn't get playing time.
Yes but is not 'must play' instruction which would nit be allowed
It would be strange to sign a player if Jok has no intention of playing him, likewise I don't think ojo would have joined without the promise of plenty of first team football.
Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 02:42:33 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 22, 2017, 02:28:53 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 02:25:20 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 22, 2017, 02:11:04 PM
Has Ojo got an agreement within the terms of his loan on selection? I'd be amazed if he hadn't.
There can officially be no agreement in contracts regarding playing time.
Not disagreeing but with Woodrow we've shown what you can do around the fringes of that, a loan fee that increases if the player doesn't get playing time.
Yes but is not 'must play' instruction which would nit be allowed
It would be strange to sign a player if Jok has no intention of playing him, likewise I don't think ojo would have joined without the promise of plenty of first team football.
Ojo should also be realistic and see that there are 4 senior players ahead of him and whilst he'll get his chance I cant imagine he'd just assume he would be a starter. He has made just 12 league starts in his career and he is up against internationals like Kebano, Ayite etc
Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 02:42:33 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 22, 2017, 02:28:53 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 02:25:20 PM
Quote from: Barrett487 on August 22, 2017, 02:11:04 PM
Has Ojo got an agreement within the terms of his loan on selection? I'd be amazed if he hadn't.
There can officially be no agreement in contracts regarding playing time.
Not disagreeing but with Woodrow we've shown what you can do around the fringes of that, a loan fee that increases if the player doesn't get playing time.
Yes but is not 'must play' instruction which would nit be allowed
It would be strange to sign a player if Jok has no intention of playing him, likewise I don't think ojo would have joined without the promise of plenty of first team football.
Of course the plan is always to play players on loan if they are of benefit to the team, form and tactics come into that.
But the rule is there can be no obligation in any players contract to play, even tho you hear it all the time. FA rules do not allow this as its seen as having third party influence on a team being selected.
There's no rules but I think there's incentives, i.e. If Ojo plays below X games, the loan fee is this amount, but if he plays Y games, you get a discount. Something like that; and that's where cash strapped clubs would deem that a player has to play to save them money. Maybe
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Only RB looks light on that - but then Odoi moves over Cisse can jump in as well. Perhaps Sess should be on there as an LB as well instead of LW. As I suspected just a need for a decent CB and we have had the best summer we could have had.
Also intrigued by Fossey, is he fit for this evening?
Not yet it seems. Im a bit concerned about how long hes not been around.
Knee injury back in May with U20s for US. Would expect to be back by December/January.
Need to correct this. It was Zelalem that left with the knee.
Fossey had a groin injury back then. Not sure on timetable, but can go on for months. Not an easy one to come back from for soccer players.
Thanks for that table MJG - not seen it before, it's a brilliant depiction of what we have. (I have to admit to feeling a shiver at seeing the name of Felix in the far right column, that man has left a deep scar.)
Have said a number of times since Tuesday that I was very dissapointed with Ojo. He coasted though the game, did very little and looked a bit like he could not be bothered. His run towards the end shows the quality he possesses but he has to put in a shift, ability without effort and enthusiasm is no good at all. It was his first game and he is very young so I will hope it was just a slow start, he could be great for us but his attitude needs to be right.
Squad strength ,very good just getting them to buy in to how we play and there jobs when on the pitch.over to you joka.starting at ipswich.
Coyw
Got to agree. We have plenty options. They may not be his signings but they're definitely his players now and we need him to motivate, inspire, coach, train, assess, stretch, challenge , bond and mould this group of clearly talented footballers into a winning team once more
