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Squad depth

Started by Marcel_Gecov, August 22, 2017, 10:44:20 AM

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Marcel_Gecov

Is it possible for somebody to update the squad to show depth following these most recent signings? I imagine only CB will look light...

Milo

Oo i liked that four team structure way of doing it we had on the last thread

MJG

Just the views of a long term fan


Marcel_Gecov

Yeah it's such a clear way to view where we are...


Marcel_Gecov

Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM


Only RB looks light on that - but then Odoi moves over Cisse can jump in as well. Perhaps Sess should be on there as an LB as well instead of LW. As I suspected just a need for a decent CB and we have had the best summer we could have had.

Also intrigued by Fossey, is he fit for this evening?

MJG

Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM


Only RB looks light on that - but then Odoi moves over Cisse can jump in as well. Perhaps Sess should be on there as an LB as well instead of LW. As I suspected just a need for a decent CB and we have had the best summer we could have had.

Also intrigued by Fossey, is he fit for this evening?
Not yet it seems. Im a bit concerned about how long hes not been around.
Just the views of a long term fan


Milo

Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM


Thanks :)

I think Aluko might go you know... looking at that...

Would have Sess taking the place of Ayite as I don't rate Ayite as much as others (but each to their own!). Then Betts, Odoi, Cisse, Kebano, and Kamara on the bench.

Pretty tasty!

Piazon, Edun, Ojo, Norwood as squad players.

MJG

Quote from: Milo on August 22, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM


Thanks :)

I think Aluko might go you know... looking at that...

Would have Sess taking the place of Ayite as I don't rate Ayite as much as others (but each to their own!). Then Betts, Odoi, Cisse, Kebano, and Kamara on the bench.

Pretty tasty!

Piazon and Norwood as squad players.
I cheated a bit by taking Piazon out of the lineups, but we have a lot of options, Id say at least one too many now for front six.  You can have too many and can bring two issues. Unhappy players and also keep tinkering with lineups.
Just the views of a long term fan

Woolly Mammoth

Is there room for another Centre Back, especially with the rumours that Madl is unsettled. As he wants first team football.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.


Marcel_Gecov

Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Milo on August 22, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM


Thanks :)

I think Aluko might go you know... looking at that...

Would have Sess taking the place of Ayite as I don't rate Ayite as much as others (but each to their own!). Then Betts, Odoi, Cisse, Kebano, and Kamara on the bench.

Pretty tasty!

Piazon and Norwood as squad players.
I cheated a bit by taking Piazon out of the lineups, but we have a lot of options, Id say at least one too many now for front six.  You can have too many and can bring two issues. Unhappy players and also keep tinkering with lineups.

Hmm don't know about that. We have 8 for 3 positions. However as we see currently with Ayite and Piazon injured you will also have niggles and as Sess can drop back you have a few options.

If we sell Aluko and then Ojo gets injured against Cardiff like Piazon did we'll be spitting bullets. I think this will be the squad we'll start the season with + 1 CB.

Williams/ Kav must be the obvious departures from that list.

MJG

Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 10:59:30 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Milo on August 22, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM


Thanks :)

I think Aluko might go you know... looking at that...

Would have Sess taking the place of Ayite as I don't rate Ayite as much as others (but each to their own!). Then Betts, Odoi, Cisse, Kebano, and Kamara on the bench.

Pretty tasty!

Piazon and Norwood as squad players.
I cheated a bit by taking Piazon out of the lineups, but we have a lot of options, Id say at least one too many now for front six.  You can have too many and can bring two issues. Unhappy players and also keep tinkering with lineups.

Hmm don't know about that. We have 8 for 3 positions. However as we see currently with Ayite and Piazon injured you will also have niggles and as Sess can drop back you have a few options.

If we sell Aluko and then Ojo gets injured against Cardiff like Piazon did we'll be spitting bullets. I think this will be the squad we'll start the season with + 1 CB.

Williams/ Kav must be the obvious departures from that list.
You can take number of injuries to an extreme but vast majority of time 2 for each position and then younger players is option I think we will and should go with.
Just the views of a long term fan

Marcel_Gecov

Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 11:03:26 AM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 10:59:30 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: Milo on August 22, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 10:47:14 AM


Thanks :)

I think Aluko might go you know... looking at that...

Would have Sess taking the place of Ayite as I don't rate Ayite as much as others (but each to their own!). Then Betts, Odoi, Cisse, Kebano, and Kamara on the bench.

Pretty tasty!

Piazon and Norwood as squad players.
I cheated a bit by taking Piazon out of the lineups, but we have a lot of options, Id say at least one too many now for front six.  You can have too many and can bring two issues. Unhappy players and also keep tinkering with lineups.

Hmm don't know about that. We have 8 for 3 positions. However as we see currently with Ayite and Piazon injured you will also have niggles and as Sess can drop back you have a few options.

If we sell Aluko and then Ojo gets injured against Cardiff like Piazon did we'll be spitting bullets. I think this will be the squad we'll start the season with + 1 CB.

Williams/ Kav must be the obvious departures from that list.
You can take number of injuries to an extreme but vast majority of time 2 for each position and then younger players is option I think we will and should go with.

All I'm saying is that Id be surprised if we get rid, particularly if it's Aluko who SJ is keen on and who has played 332 minutes out of a possible 360 so far (and perhaps the League cup game???).


OMalleyCat

With Soares coming in, the squad is really starting to look good.

It begs the question, will that be it? Surely another CB is a must.

Woolly Mammoth

Another CB is a big priority, preferably one that masters the defence, commanding at set pieces, has a physical presence, a leader who destroys attacks by just glaring at an opponent.
Its not the man in the fight, it's the fight in the man.  🐘

Never forget your Roots.

Marcel_Gecov

Just out of interest where would you put Piazon in the ranking if all players were fit?


We Are Premier League

Rarely any mention of the midfield in any squad depth discussions these days, it is one of the few areas where we don't have 2 players in each position.

I accept that Norwood and Cisse looks like 2 very strong "subs", but I don't think we have much after that.
IMO, the younger players are not ready for such central role and few (if any) of the defenders/forwards would fit in well here (potentially Kebano or Ream?). It is also a position that is prone to have a few suspensions and where we could benefit with some fresh legs toward the end of the game. I would prefer if we had one more option, but it might be hard to recruit for with 5 strong players already in place. 

Marcel_Gecov

Quote from: mlangstrom on August 22, 2017, 01:10:18 PM
Rarely any mention of the midfield in any squad depth discussions these days, it is one of the few areas where we don't have 2 players in each position.

I accept that Norwood and Cisse looks like 2 very strong "subs", but I don't think we have much after that.
IMO, the younger players are not ready for such central role and few (if any) of the defenders/forwards would fit in well here (potentially Kebano or Ream?). It is also a position that is prone to have a few suspensions and where we could benefit with some fresh legs toward the end of the game. I would prefer if we had one more option, but it might be hard to recruit for with 5 strong players already in place.

Agreed. However if Edun isn't viewed as a loan departure (which i think he should be viewed as. Burton?) then he'll be number 6.

MJG

Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: mlangstrom on August 22, 2017, 01:10:18 PM
Rarely any mention of the midfield in any squad depth discussions these days, it is one of the few areas where we don't have 2 players in each position.

I accept that Norwood and Cisse looks like 2 very strong "subs", but I don't think we have much after that.
IMO, the younger players are not ready for such central role and few (if any) of the defenders/forwards would fit in well here (potentially Kebano or Ream?). It is also a position that is prone to have a few suspensions and where we could benefit with some fresh legs toward the end of the game. I would prefer if we had one more option, but it might be hard to recruit for with 5 strong players already in place.

Agreed. However if Edun isn't viewed as a loan departure (which i think he should be viewed as. Burton?) then he'll be number 6.
You also have when fit Del Torre who can play the advanced role and Adeniran. Both of which I would trust and given their fitness unlikely they will be ready to loan out. So think we are covered this side of Xmas.
Just the views of a long term fan


We Are Premier League

Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: mlangstrom on August 22, 2017, 01:10:18 PM
Rarely any mention of the midfield in any squad depth discussions these days, it is one of the few areas where we don't have 2 players in each position.

I accept that Norwood and Cisse looks like 2 very strong "subs", but I don't think we have much after that.
IMO, the younger players are not ready for such central role and few (if any) of the defenders/forwards would fit in well here (potentially Kebano or Ream?). It is also a position that is prone to have a few suspensions and where we could benefit with some fresh legs toward the end of the game. I would prefer if we had one more option, but it might be hard to recruit for with 5 strong players already in place.

Agreed. However if Edun isn't viewed as a loan departure (which i think he should be viewed as. Burton?) then he'll be number 6.
You also have when fit Del Torre who can play the advanced role and Adeniran. Both of which I would trust and given their fitness unlikely they will be ready to loan out. So think we are covered this side of Xmas.

Fair enough, as long as Cairney, McD or Johansen don't have any injury setbacks in the next 10 days we should hopefully be ok until xmas.

The scary thought is that one injury would leave us with 4 players to cover 3 positions. But hey, that's still better or the same as last year!

Marcel_Gecov

Quote from: mlangstrom on August 22, 2017, 01:55:23 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: mlangstrom on August 22, 2017, 01:10:18 PM
Rarely any mention of the midfield in any squad depth discussions these days, it is one of the few areas where we don't have 2 players in each position.

I accept that Norwood and Cisse looks like 2 very strong "subs", but I don't think we have much after that.
IMO, the younger players are not ready for such central role and few (if any) of the defenders/forwards would fit in well here (potentially Kebano or Ream?). It is also a position that is prone to have a few suspensions and where we could benefit with some fresh legs toward the end of the game. I would prefer if we had one more option, but it might be hard to recruit for with 5 strong players already in place.

Agreed. However if Edun isn't viewed as a loan departure (which i think he should be viewed as. Burton?) then he'll be number 6.
You also have when fit Del Torre who can play the advanced role and Adeniran. Both of which I would trust and given their fitness unlikely they will be ready to loan out. So think we are covered this side of Xmas.

Fair enough, as long as Cairney, McD or Johansen don't have any injury setbacks in the next 10 days we should hopefully be ok until xmas.

The scary thought is that one injury would leave us with 4 players to cover 3 positions. But hey, that's still better or the same as last year!
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Also has there been any update on Piazon as he could also cover in this area.