There can't be any other side in the division that has much depth and as much quality in wide positions as Fulham this season,
With that in mind what would you say is a fair expectation, in terms of league goals, for Rui Fonte this season ?
If he stays fit then surely 20 must be a realistic target.
If less than 20 I'd say not a great success
Quote from: Statto on September 02, 2017, 12:19:00 AM
Best striker we've had since Saha IMO is Zamora 2009/10 season and he only got 19 goals, most of them in cup games. If Fonte links up play and gets assists I'd say you can still call 15 a good season and as little as 10 adequate. I'm expecting him to get 20+ but IMO goals is a very blunt metric and can be misleading
10 isn't adequate for our lone striker, providing he plays the majority of games. 15 minimum imo
15 plus assists,also hope someone else takes the corners.
Bu if we score , or at least get a scoring opportunity, from many of his corners, as compared with most of our pre-Fonte corners......
I think it's the extra goals the TEAM score with his help, that will be important, rather than just the ones he scores himself, though I expect him to get a quite few.
He seems to have that X Factor that we really need. There is something about him, of course I could be wrong, but he I feel he has the capability of reaching 20 goals and beyond.
He could be a fans favourite if everything fits into place, and of course with the wingers we have, I can see one or two of them running amok and providing the service for him.
Coupled with our quality midfield, maybe other teams will be too busy defending against us for them to trouble our defence too often, here's hoping.
Quote from: Statto on September 02, 2017, 12:19:00 AM
Best striker we've had since Saha IMO is Zamora 2009/10 season and he only got 19 goals, most of them in cup games. If Fonte links up play and gets assists I'd say you can still call 15 a good season and as little as 10 adequate. I'm expecting him to get 20+ but IMO goals is a very blunt metric and can be misleading
Yes, this.
A poaching striker who does nothing else wouldn't fit into our play and could actually be a detriment, even if he scored a bundle.
From what we've seen of fonte so far he fits in and can also find the onion bag. I think he could be a big success.
Be careful some of you we be judging a player just on one stat :-)
He was very good at Ipswich. All I know. As for how many goals he gets I think it depends largely on how the rest of the team plays.
In our system he'll probably get around 15, given that we score so many from the wingers and midfield.
Can't imagine he'll get many over 10.
With our current system it's not about a centre forward merely scoring goals, it's about the assists that the forward provides for others. An interested Martin would have been fabulous at this, lets hope that our new fella will continue to be interested, it's all that he needs to do to be better than 'Chrissy'
So I agree with Statto, really. I'm sure that he or she will be over the moon with that.
Quote from: Statto on September 02, 2017, 01:40:10 AM
It's not many I know but if he gets 20 goals Jordan Rhodes style, goal hanging and contributing nothing else, is that better than becoming the linch pin of every attack and getting 10 goals plus 24 assists ?
IMO, Statto asks the crucial question and one which comes over loud and clear in any discussion about the merits of Jokanovic's team style. Fonte's attitude, demeanour, and avowed intent on being at Fulham says he is a good signing for SJ's style set.. He appears to want to be the key that unlocks the door whether he is doing the scoring or giving people around him chances they cannot miss. Aluko and Malone were good examples of how SJ's system can create chances for anybody in the right place at the right time to score goals via diversity in attack, and I hope we are not going to turn the 'successful' team of last term into damaged goods by selling them on. Time will tell if our other transfers in are up to the quality necessary to show we have upgraded, rather than downgraded or simply stood still. I hope it is the former, but it is going to be while before I am convinced the right decisions have been made. I have this odd feeling that Mollo may prove to be an unlikely hero this season.
I feel that Ojo will score a few for us - he tested the keeper a couple of times at Ipswich, often going down the middle. We know Kebano and Ayite can score, and have a few players who can add to the goals tally.
So, hopefully, Fonte will add further to this. Imagine if we take a lot more of the chances we create, and that our attacking play warrants.
15+ would be a good return from him. I was watching youtube clips of him just now and the way he plays has a passing resemblance to Olivier Giroud. If he's anywhere near as useful for us then 9m is an absolute steal.
I'm surprised some are suggesting a total of 10, you don't spend 9 million in The Championship on a striker for a total of 10 goals.
15 should be a minimum as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: Riversider on September 04, 2017, 10:58:42 AM
I'm surprised some are suggesting a total of 10, you don't spend 9 million in The Championship on a striker for a total of 10 goals.
15 should be a minimum as far as I'm concerned.
So 14 and promotion would be a failure for him?
I'm not fussed what he actually scores himself, it's obvious that goals come from all over the park with out style.
I'd be more interested in what he provides, and adds to the side over all. I think.
Quote from: MJG on September 04, 2017, 11:19:14 AM
Quote from: Riversider on September 04, 2017, 10:58:42 AM
I'm surprised some are suggesting a total of 10, you don't spend 9 million in The Championship on a striker for a total of 10 goals.
15 should be a minimum as far as I'm concerned.
So 14 and promotion would be a failure for him?
It would be success for the Club
Well we really have not yet seen enough of Fonteto make a sensible judgement.
However we can see that he is not in the conventional mould of a target man like Zamora, he is I think going to be different than what we are used to and his development is going to be interesting.
There is of course pressure on him, we need at least 15 goals from him by the end of the season.
Quote from: Riversider on September 04, 2017, 12:14:39 PM
Quote from: MJG on September 04, 2017, 11:19:14 AM
Quote from: Riversider on September 04, 2017, 10:58:42 AM
I'm surprised some are suggesting a total of 10, you don't spend 9 million in The Championship on a striker for a total of 10 goals.
15 should be a minimum as far as I'm concerned.
So 14 and promotion would be a failure for him?
It would be success for the Club
And in the end thats what matters. Even if he only ends up scoring 4 would not make him a failure if his all round play was enough to help us do this.
Our best ever finish to a season saw joint top scorers have 7 and our number nine have 2.
I can't see him getting 20+ goals, as much as I'd like him to. He's good at bringing others into play so I will be judging him on his assists too. Also, in the build up play, he might lay off a winger who gets the ball across for another to score. He will not be credited with an assist but hopefully, we'll see some good key pass stats?
Too early to tell but his contribution at Ipswich, if continued consistently, would show that he fits in to the overall team ethos, has good positional instinct, and know where the goal is.
I doubt if he's a 20-goals-a-season type as that is not how we are set up to play. As others have suggested, goals and assists will perhaps be a more interesting measurement.
Fingers crossed that he turns out to be a great signing for us.
Some of his headed goals make me see a little touch of Brian McBride aerial wise. We've certainly been missing that!
Quote from: Statto on September 04, 2017, 03:44:05 PM
Quote from: Riversider on September 04, 2017, 10:58:42 AM
you don't spend 9 million in The Championship on a striker for a total of 10 goals
McCormack and Rhodes got less than that between them last year so patently you do. If you're lucky you get Scott Hogan, what was it £12m, and 15 goals. We'd agreed £9m for Martin and he got 11. At £8m for Fonte I'd say 10 goals is about right these days
...although to be clear I don't condone judging any player on goals alone, for the reasons given above
To correct you, Hogan was 12m from Brentford and has scored 1 in 17 for Villa since the transfer... not a great example
Quote from: Statto on September 04, 2017, 03:47:41 PM
Quote from: The Enclosurite on September 04, 2017, 02:01:54 PM
Some of his headed goals make me see a little touch of Brian McBride aerial wise. We've certainly been missing that!
A striker so popular we named a bar after him, and yet how many times did he get 15 goals in a season?!?
Yes but that was because we were in the premiership, we weren't expected to bang them in.
So much depends on whether he stays fit.
Given his small frame and that he will be playing down the middle, he will come in for some rough treatment.
He is the only recognised central striker left in the squad so let's keep our fingers crossed.
Quote from: MJG on September 02, 2017, 08:42:43 AM
Be careful some of you we be judging a player just on one stat :-)
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