Hello, I have noticed that many of the Slav-out posts get removed.
I am dedicated season ticket holder and big fan of the old FFC.
But I also want to see some WINS for my hard-earned money.
There are good managers out there, who know how to play Championship football.
Even Championship on Five (rightly) said at the weekend that we are the standout underperfomers in this league. We are not a nursery, we have ambition to get back to the PL.
Why is everyone on this site apparently so complacent?
How many more draws/losses?
Hopefully in second!
Quote from: Robbie on November 20, 2017, 07:46:13 PM
Hello, I have noticed that many of the Slav-out posts get removed.
I am dedicated season ticket holder and big fan of the old FFC.
But I also want to see some WINS for my hard-earned money.
There are good managers out there, who know how to play Championship football.
Even Championship on Five (rightly) said at the weekend that we are the standout underperfomers in this league. We are not a nursery, we have ambition to get back to the PL.
Why is everyone on this site apparently so complacent?
How many more draws/losses?
How quickly will this post get taken down ... tick tock !
This is a board for different objective views im a slav fan ,but know hes not perfect and am concerned so your view should be aired.
We for whatever reason have been not good this season and if the case the mods shouldnt be ,if they are deleting posts out that dont contain abuse,if there abusive then remove em.
Your post isnt anyway abusive.
Quote from: Robbie on November 20, 2017, 07:46:13 PM
"Hello, I have noticed that many of the Slav-out posts get removed".
No they don't, they tend to get locked, or heavily edited, due to petulant behaviour.
Are you saying you want sack Jokanovic? If so who are you suggesting we put in his place?
Quote from: colinwhite on November 20, 2017, 08:26:43 PM
Are you saying you want sack Jokanovic? If so who are you suggesting we put in his place?
Pulis is available.....
after the recent issues with Kline etc Joka essentially needs a clean slate and a transfer window. I think in March we will know the plan which is he either leaves at the end of the season or gets another shot. Personally I want him to get another season as it means he's done well.
Marcel - with respect, this 'situation' needs addressing a long time before March. Certain poster's wild optimism washes over me but everyone entitled to an opinion. Given investment, a Coach who shows a degree of enthusiasm and buys into it and players who show some motivation, we might make a play off scenario again. I regret we will fall short on all three. There are simply no pointers.
Quote from: colinwhite on November 20, 2017, 08:26:43 PM
Are you saying you want sack Jokanovic? If so who are you suggesting we put in his place?
He says it in virtually every post he makes. Nothing new in this one. Expect to read more of the same.
We really cannot be changing managers every other season , we need a period of stability and have to give Jocanovic our full support for a reasonable length of time.
However, Jocanovic cannot expect a blind faith type of support from us all forever. The team has to give reasonable performances and results. at the moment this season's results are not really any better than they were when Kit was sacked. That is just not good enough and if this situation is not improved by say mid season then we should start to question Jocanovic's ability.
WE have been unlucky with injuries and reports suggest a number of players retuning soon, there is then hope for improvement.
Quote from: Patrick on November 20, 2017, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on November 20, 2017, 08:26:43 PM
Are you saying you want sack Jokanovic? If so who are you suggesting we put in his place?
Pulis is available.....
:031:
I see this comment a lot..."Championship football"...why? Why are we limited to playing championship football? What happens if we get promoted, we now play Premiere League football?
Like they say, dress for the job you want, not the job you already have. I think Slav has done great and adjustments made in the Derby match were on the right track. The only irony of championship football is that you can string a couple wins and be in the playoff race in no-time. That's what we can do.
Quote from: Robbie on November 20, 2017, 07:46:13 PM
Hello, I have noticed that many of the Slav-out posts get removed.
I am dedicated season ticket holder and big fan of the old FFC.
But I also want to see some WINS for my hard-earned money.
There are good managers out there, who know how to play Championship football.
Even Championship on Five (rightly) said at the weekend that we are the standout underperfomers in this league. We are not a nursery, we have ambition to get back to the PL.
Why is everyone on this site apparently so complacent?
How many more draws/losses?
I mean, if you're an fan of old FFC then you must be a relatively new fan, because when I started supporting this club we were in the old league two and many on here have known the club in even more dire straits.
We aren't owed a place in the premiership and what needs to happen isn't solely down to the manager - hence the whole kline getting chucked out of the training ground and sent back to the states debacle...
Slavisa has the ability to manage any team into a style which is not only attractive but effective in doing a job against most teams in a lot of ways... I think most probably agree the only reason we're not doing so well this year is because we've lost so many goals over the last summer from key performers.
That's not Slav, that's transfer policy... and it looks like and I hope it means that's been acknowledged by Shahid and will change in Jan.
You criticise the clubs results, which we'd all admit aren't the best, but when you're six points from being in the championship playoffs a bit more of a realistic perspective to how close this league is and what can happen with a few positive performances should be given in any perspective.
Quote from: YankeeJim on November 20, 2017, 10:25:09 PM
Quote from: Patrick on November 20, 2017, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on November 20, 2017, 08:26:43 PM
Are you saying you want sack Jokanovic? If so who are you suggesting we put in his place?
Pulis is available.....
:031:
You must be joking... Tony Pulis is coming nowhere near Fulham after the Gillingham game in 98.
Quote from: General on November 21, 2017, 01:34:07 AM
Quote from: Robbie on November 20, 2017, 07:46:13 PM
Hello, I have noticed that many of the Slav-out posts get removed.
I am dedicated season ticket holder and big fan of the old FFC.
But I also want to see some WINS for my hard-earned money.
There are good managers out there, who know how to play Championship football.
Even Championship on Five (rightly) said at the weekend that we are the standout underperfomers in this league. We are not a nursery, we have ambition to get back to the PL.
Why is everyone on this site apparently so complacent?
How many more draws/losses?
I mean, if you're an fan of old FFC then you must be a relatively new fan, because when I started supporting this club we were in the old league two and many on here have known the club in even more dire straits.
We aren't owed a place in the premiership and what needs to happen isn't solely down to the manager - hence the whole kline getting chucked out of the training ground and sent back to the states debacle...
Slavisa has the ability to manage any team into a style which is not only attractive but effective in doing a job against most teams in a lot of ways... I think most probably agree the only reason we're not doing so well this year is because we've lost so many goals over the last summer from key performers.
That's not Slav, that's transfer policy... and it looks like and I hope it means that's been acknowledged by Shahid and will change in Jan.
You criticise the clubs results, which we'd all admit aren't the best, but when you're six points from being in the championship playoffs a bit more of a realistic perspective to how close this league is and what can happen with a few positive performances should be given in any perspective.
Well said, and I agree, we have lost our goal scoring, simple. In addition though, there was a string there where we are incredibly passive in the defensive third. Not enough risk/reward. I hope they reviewed the earlier matches in the season and saw how direct we were - it makes a big difference in this possession based system. People like to say that they've all figured us out, but even if that's true, it was our chance creation to goal scoring ratio that could not be denied. Once we get back to that, we'll be on the right track - and I feel that will be very soon.
Quote from: MikeW on November 20, 2017, 09:17:06 PM
Marcel - with respect, this 'situation' needs addressing a long time before March. Certain poster's wild optimism washes over me but everyone entitled to an opinion. Given investment, a Coach who shows a degree of enthusiasm and buys into it and players who show some motivation, we might make a play off scenario again. I regret we will fall short on all three. There are simply no pointers.
Can you reread my post please and what I was essentially saying?
If Kline was as devastating as posters on here tell me then It's only fair to give Joka a transfer window with a bit more say and see how we get on. He then needs time to work with the new players. That brings us to around March when we will be either offering him a new contract or he'll be leaving. If Joka gets a new contract then it means we have had a better season, our paths are directly linked. If around that time no ext is forthcoming then there's time to succession plan.
I don't see what's controversial about that.
Quote from: General on November 21, 2017, 01:34:07 AM
Quote from: Robbie on November 20, 2017, 07:46:13 PM
Hello, I have noticed that many of the Slav-out posts get removed.
I am dedicated season ticket holder and big fan of the old FFC.
But I also want to see some WINS for my hard-earned money.
There are good managers out there, who know how to play Championship football.
Even Championship on Five (rightly) said at the weekend that we are the standout underperfomers in this league. We are not a nursery, we have ambition to get back to the PL.
Why is everyone on this site apparently so complacent?
How many more draws/losses?
Slavisa has the ability to manage any team into a style which is not only attractive but effective in doing a job against most teams in a lot of ways...
You criticise the clubs results, which we'd all admit aren't the best, but when you're six points from being in the championship playoffs
I feel I should preface this answer with the fact that I am neither 'Slav In' or 'Slav Out' (however, recently our performances have been
terrible (Derby excluded) which doesn't fill me with hope) but just to put actual stats against what you are saying as it seems untrue.
Slavisa has the ability to manage any team into a style which is not only attractive but effective in doing a job against most teams in a lot of ways... Our past 6 fixtures results are as follows:
D L L D L DCan you just let me know your justification for the comment? As I personally don't see him 'doing a job', unless that job is to give them 3 points?
Furthermore, if you state that "
when you're six points from being in the championship playoffs" I feel it should always include the fact that we are only 7 away from the relegation zone and that 10 other teams, three of whom have played one game less than us, are 6 points,
or less, away from the Playoffs. It feels like a redundant argument to me given the stats.
When is enough is enough?
For me its a combination of losses in a row and short to midterm run.
Look at Pulis, 4 losses in a row and no wins in 11 games.
At the moment we are 10 points in 10 games, 6 games without a win. I'd say hes just above the red line where you have to start looking at things game by game. But saying that you have to look at the whole picture.
Jol got the sack after 5 league loses in a row. He actually lost 5 the previous year in a row and would have got the sack but for the Swansea win and MAF selling the club.
My rule is you lose 5 in a row then its crunch time, go ten without a win and thats almost certainly goodbye
Quote from: joeemslie on November 21, 2017, 09:31:46 AM
Quote from: General on November 21, 2017, 01:34:07 AM
Quote from: Robbie on November 20, 2017, 07:46:13 PM
Hello, I have noticed that many of the Slav-out posts get removed.
I am dedicated season ticket holder and big fan of the old FFC.
But I also want to see some WINS for my hard-earned money.
There are good managers out there, who know how to play Championship football.
Even Championship on Five (rightly) said at the weekend that we are the standout underperfomers in this league. We are not a nursery, we have ambition to get back to the PL.
Why is everyone on this site apparently so complacent?
How many more draws/losses?
Slavisa has the ability to manage any team into a style which is not only attractive but effective in doing a job against most teams in a lot of ways...
You criticise the clubs results, which we'd all admit aren't the best, but when you're six points from being in the championship playoffs
I feel I should preface this answer with the fact that I am neither 'Slav In' or 'Slav Out' (however, recently our performances have been terrible (Derby excluded) which doesn't fill me with hope) but just to put actual stats against what you are saying as it seems untrue.
Slavisa has the ability to manage any team into a style which is not only attractive but effective in doing a job against most teams in a lot of ways...
Our past 6 fixtures results are as follows:
D L L D L D
Can you just let me know your justification for the comment? As I personally don't see him 'doing a job', unless that job is to give them 3 points?
Furthermore, if you state that "when you're six points from being in the championship playoffs" I feel it should always include the fact that we are only 7 away from the relegation zone and that 10 other teams, three of whom have played one game less than us, are 6 points, or less, away from the Playoffs. It feels like a redundant argument to me given the stats.
You make good points and I totally agree with you. Im a fan of Joka but also believe that he isn't the be all and end all that some think he is. I do think he has been let down by the players bought in which comes down to either the stats & scouting or the players themselves and we havent seen what the Joka team could achieve this season.
Your point regards the league position and points etc is fair however that doesn't worry me to much. I think that all it shows is that a decent run of results will put us back in contention and that we haven't totally messed the season up. The game vs Sheff Utd is huge, a win and we can hopefully start feeling a bit happier and that we could progress up the season.
In all this, let's not overlook that last season our top 4 goal scorers were Cairney, Johansen, Aluko and Martin. A+M have gone without being 'entirely' replaced and Cairney and Johansen have both been injured or playing with injuries. That's a tough call.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on November 21, 2017, 09:49:59 AM
In all this, let's not overlook that last season our top 4 goal scorers were Cairney, Johansen, Aluko and Martin. A+M have gone without being 'entirely' replaced and Cairney and Johansen have both been injured or playing with injuries. That's a tough call.
All true and thats why when a decision is made to remove a manager you need to look at the overall picture.
Even with my five game rule, if you have just played Spurs, Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea and Man city, even then you have to give them some slack
The argument, and I presume this is how it was thought through by the recruitment team, for selling Aluko and Malone is that they could be replaced with better players. Unfortunately that has not been the case and also cut against the head coach's wishes.
If we get rid of SJ the same arguments, reasoning and thinking through apply. If I had any reason to doubt SJ's credentials as a top coach I would have expressed them long ago but there is absolutely no evidence he has lost the dressing room which was being suggested in these threads pre-Derby and even before that. I agree with those who say SJ needs a proper window (or even two) to get things back on track because losing Aluko, Malone and Martin without finding proper replacements has already cost us dear in terms of points.
Quote from: toshes mate on November 21, 2017, 11:19:52 AM
The argument, and I presume this is how it was thought through by the recruitment team, for selling Aluko and Malone is that they could be replaced with better players. Unfortunately that has not been the case and also cut against the head coach's wishes.
If we get rid of SJ the same arguments, reasoning and thinking through apply. If I had any reason to doubt SJ's credentials as a top coach I would have expressed them long ago but there is absolutely no evidence he has lost the dressing room which was being suggested in these threads pre-Derby and even before that. I agree with those who say SJ needs a proper window (or even two) to get things back on track because losing Aluko, Malone and Martin without finding proper replacements has already cost us dear in terms of points.
+1 I think Joka's contract is up at the end of the season so we should see this season out and see where we are. Add some decent players (not a total rebuild) and focus on next year. I still think however that if we sort ourselves out we can make the playoffs again.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on November 21, 2017, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on November 21, 2017, 11:19:52 AM
The argument, and I presume this is how it was thought through by the recruitment team, for selling Aluko and Malone is that they could be replaced with better players. Unfortunately that has not been the case and also cut against the head coach's wishes.
If we get rid of SJ the same arguments, reasoning and thinking through apply. If I had any reason to doubt SJ's credentials as a top coach I would have expressed them long ago but there is absolutely no evidence he has lost the dressing room which was being suggested in these threads pre-Derby and even before that. I agree with those who say SJ needs a proper window (or even two) to get things back on track because losing Aluko, Malone and Martin without finding proper replacements has already cost us dear in terms of points.
+1 I think Joka's contract is up at the end of the season so we should see this season out and see where we are. Add some decent players (not a total rebuild) and focus on next year. I still think however that if we sort ourselves out we can make the playoffs again.
His contract is till summer of 2019
Quote from: MJG on November 21, 2017, 11:42:55 AM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on November 21, 2017, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on November 21, 2017, 11:19:52 AM
The argument, and I presume this is how it was thought through by the recruitment team, for selling Aluko and Malone is that they could be replaced with better players. Unfortunately that has not been the case and also cut against the head coach's wishes.
If we get rid of SJ the same arguments, reasoning and thinking through apply. If I had any reason to doubt SJ's credentials as a top coach I would have expressed them long ago but there is absolutely no evidence he has lost the dressing room which was being suggested in these threads pre-Derby and even before that. I agree with those who say SJ needs a proper window (or even two) to get things back on track because losing Aluko, Malone and Martin without finding proper replacements has already cost us dear in terms of points.
+1 I think Joka's contract is up at the end of the season so we should see this season out and see where we are. Add some decent players (not a total rebuild) and focus on next year. I still think however that if we sort ourselves out we can make the playoffs again.
His contract is till summer of 2019
Is it not 2018 + option of an extra year? If I'm wrong fact remains that we need to know in the summer that we 100% behind Joka or he needs to go.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on November 21, 2017, 04:02:41 PM
Quote from: MJG on November 21, 2017, 11:42:55 AM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on November 21, 2017, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on November 21, 2017, 11:19:52 AM
The argument, and I presume this is how it was thought through by the recruitment team, for selling Aluko and Malone is that they could be replaced with better players. Unfortunately that has not been the case and also cut against the head coach's wishes.
If we get rid of SJ the same arguments, reasoning and thinking through apply. If I had any reason to doubt SJ's credentials as a top coach I would have expressed them long ago but there is absolutely no evidence he has lost the dressing room which was being suggested in these threads pre-Derby and even before that. I agree with those who say SJ needs a proper window (or even two) to get things back on track because losing Aluko, Malone and Martin without finding proper replacements has already cost us dear in terms of points.
+1 I think Joka's contract is up at the end of the season so we should see this season out and see where we are. Add some decent players (not a total rebuild) and focus on next year. I still think however that if we sort ourselves out we can make the playoffs again.
His contract is till summer of 2019
Is it not 2018 + option of an extra year? If I'm wrong fact remains that we need to know in the summer that we 100% behind Joka or he needs to go.
not in anything i've read or been told. Full till 2019...but then what do contracts really mean?
Quote from: MJG on November 21, 2017, 04:05:29 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on November 21, 2017, 04:02:41 PM
Quote from: MJG on November 21, 2017, 11:42:55 AM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on November 21, 2017, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on November 21, 2017, 11:19:52 AM
The argument, and I presume this is how it was thought through by the recruitment team, for selling Aluko and Malone is that they could be replaced with better players. Unfortunately that has not been the case and also cut against the head coach's wishes.
If we get rid of SJ the same arguments, reasoning and thinking through apply. If I had any reason to doubt SJ's credentials as a top coach I would have expressed them long ago but there is absolutely no evidence he has lost the dressing room which was being suggested in these threads pre-Derby and even before that. I agree with those who say SJ needs a proper window (or even two) to get things back on track because losing Aluko, Malone and Martin without finding proper replacements has already cost us dear in terms of points.
+1 I think Joka's contract is up at the end of the season so we should see this season out and see where we are. Add some decent players (not a total rebuild) and focus on next year. I still think however that if we sort ourselves out we can make the playoffs again.
His contract is till summer of 2019
Is it not 2018 + option of an extra year? If I'm wrong fact remains that we need to know in the summer that we 100% behind Joka or he needs to go.
not in anything i've read or been told. Full till 2019...but then what do contracts really mean?
True dat.
I was certain that it was only a one year extension with option but happy to be wrong :)
Just checked, bugger, your right.
He signed a new, 2 year deal, not long after the Spurs cup game last season. The 2 year deal, if I'm correct, didn't come into effect, until the end of last season.
I have it, that he's not even through the first year year of his new contact yet, and it'll be up end of the 18/19 season.
Quote from: Patrick on November 20, 2017, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on November 20, 2017, 08:26:43 PM
Are you saying you want sack Jokanovic? If so who are you suggesting we put in his place?
Pulis is available.....
.. and there's a reason for that!
I'll pass on TP and his brand of footie.
Quote from: Wearethewhites on November 21, 2017, 04:08:34 PM
He signed a new, 2 year deal, not long after the Spurs cup game last season. The 2 year deal, if I'm correct, didn't come into effect, until the end of last season.
I have it, that he's not even through the first year year of his new contact yet, and it'll be up end of the 18/19 season.
The question for me is whether Joka is essentially Theo Walcott and plays to his best to earn new contracts and then slackens off. (I doubt this is the case btw just spitballing)
Colours: I'm always for not sacking a manager until/unless it the last resort. Slav is a good manager, imo, and we could do lot, lot worse, and not much better given the current crop available, which is all that matters.
I see the argument being put forward that, during the (de)Kline years Slav did not have the free hand that most managers prefer/need to build the team they can work with, and therefore we have to give Slav the benefit here, and let him run it through the window, but the club HAVE to back him and make funds available so he can prove his worth. ANY manager is a crap manager if he both doesn't have the best players AND the purse strings are tied.
Quote from: Logicalman on November 21, 2017, 04:14:15 PM
Quote from: Patrick on November 20, 2017, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on November 20, 2017, 08:26:43 PM
Are you saying you want sack Jokanovic? If so who are you suggesting we put in his place?
Pulis is available.....
.. and there's a reason for that!
I'll pass on TP and his brand of footie.
Just kidding.....although I feel that the 'Joka' experiment is not working..and not going to work....his 'approach' is too rigid...and we have been totally found out by virtually all the division....even Burton!!!....a really poor side...I went up to that that game....one word...disgraceful...
To get promoted from the Championship you need fighters..combined with a few ''effective'' goal scorers....and a tight defence.......we have McDonald....no quality goal scorer and an error-prone defence.....Cairney and McDonald...and to a lesser extent Johansen and Fred have been our only decent performers this season....all the foreign purchases have been basically rubbish.....but I feel the real problem is the Joka 'strategy' ...it has been found out.
Personally speaking...if we don't win against Millwall on Saturday...I would remove him...so as to give the new man a period to review prior to the January window..
Difficult to say that any of the above posts are totally wrong but a 3-0 win at Sheffield tonight and they all become nul and void.
Quote from: filham on November 21, 2017, 04:58:17 PM
Difficult to say that any of the above posts are totally wrong but a 3-0 win at Sheffield tonight and they all become nul and void.
For this week...
Tonight's line up has annoyed me ! Ayite is not a striker Joka.
For me it isn't just about what Jokanovic does it's about what others DONT do . E
If your manager doesn't want to lose either Aluko or Malone and others decide that they know better - then they are at fault as it is abundantly clear that we miss both. Jokanovic took a hard line with Martin but still played him because he knew we needed that type of front man. He got Fonte and KAmara - neither of which is that type of player. For Pete's sake everyone - if you were at work and your bosses ignored your expertise - how would you feel ? Are you blind , deaf and dumb ? As I have said in previous posts - get real , smell the coffee and put
yourself in his shoes - If you did you would be at least cross - I would be absolutely furious and at least I worked in an industry where my Chairman had done the job and knew about the industry . Not the case at Fulham - the incumbents obviously new more about sumo wrestling than football ( sorry soccer !!!! )
Give me strength !
Quote from: Robbie on November 20, 2017, 07:46:13 PM
Hello, I have noticed that many of the Slav-out posts get removed.
I am dedicated season ticket holder and big fan of the old FFC.
But I also want to see some WINS for my hard-earned money.
There are good managers out there, who know how to play Championship football.
Even Championship on Five (rightly) said at the weekend that we are the standout underperfomers in this league. We are not a nursery, we have ambition to get back to the PL.
Why is everyone on this site apparently so complacent?
How many more draws/losses?
Good timing mate. Feeling a little red faced?
Quote from: Stefan The Viking (The Moose) on November 21, 2017, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: Robbie on November 20, 2017, 07:46:13 PM
Hello, I have noticed that many of the Slav-out posts get removed.
I am dedicated season ticket holder and big fan of the old FFC.
But I also want to see some WINS for my hard-earned money.
There are good managers out there, who know how to play Championship football.
Even Championship on Five (rightly) said at the weekend that we are the standout underperfomers in this league. We are not a nursery, we have ambition to get back to the PL.
Why is everyone on this site apparently so complacent?
How many more draws/losses?
Good timing mate. Feeling a little red faced?
Well, hindsight is always right, isn't it? :033:
This is a good thread, with good views, and the OP was right to bring it up (even if I disagreed).
Quote from: Logicalman on November 21, 2017, 10:06:12 PM
Quote from: Stefan The Viking (The Moose) on November 21, 2017, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: Robbie on November 20, 2017, 07:46:13 PM
Hello, I have noticed that many of the Slav-out posts get removed.
I am dedicated season ticket holder and big fan of the old FFC.
But I also want to see some WINS for my hard-earned money.
There are good managers out there, who know how to play Championship football.
Even Championship on Five (rightly) said at the weekend that we are the standout underperfomers in this league. We are not a nursery, we have ambition to get back to the PL.
Why is everyone on this site apparently so complacent?
How many more draws/losses?
Good timing mate. Feeling a little red faced?
Well, hindsight is always right, isn't it? :033:
This is a good thread, with good views, and the OP was right to bring it up (even if I disagreed).
I disagreed.
Quote from: Logicalman on November 21, 2017, 10:06:12 PM
Quote from: Stefan The Viking (The Moose) on November 21, 2017, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: Robbie on November 20, 2017, 07:46:13 PM
Hello, I have noticed that many of the Slav-out posts get removed.
I am dedicated season ticket holder and big fan of the old FFC.
But I also want to see some WINS for my hard-earned money.
There are good managers out there, who know how to play Championship football.
Even Championship on Five (rightly) said at the weekend that we are the standout underperfomers in this league. We are not a nursery, we have ambition to get back to the PL.
Why is everyone on this site apparently so complacent?
How many more draws/losses?
Good timing mate. Feeling a little red faced?
Well, hindsight is always right, isn't it? :033:
This is a good thread, with good views, and the OP was right to bring it up (even if I disagreed).
I agree the OP had every right to bring this up but you say "he was right to bring it up". I'm not so sure; it was posted after the Derby game and anyone who was there could see that was a much improved performance, it was as if the weight of Kline and all the politics had been lifted and the lads felt free to focus on football. Last night's result showed more of the same.
Things are not ideal; defensive frailties, poor summer signings, lack of a central striker and even the failure to bring in a really top class keeper. But what most of these have in common is that they relate to our transfer policy not Joka's management. And I don't really buy the argument that he is inflexible, he has tried a number of variations and permutations within his overall preferred style. To me that is staying true to your beliefs not inflexibility.
Quote from: Twig on November 22, 2017, 09:42:21 AM
Things are not ideal; defensive frailties, poor summer signings, lack of a central striker and even the failure to bring in a really top class keeper. But what most of these have in common is that they relate to our transfer policy not Joka's management. And I don't really buy the argument that he is inflexible, he has tried a number of variations and permutations within his overall preferred style. To me that is staying true to your beliefs not inflexibility.
Excellent post.
We have to stick with Joka - he took a team that was a shambles for 2 years and got us playing great football and in to the play offs - who saw that coming at the time? It is clear that the transfer policy has been hijacked by a nut job and you have to give Joka some slack because of that and as already said, we haven't had the same midfield 2 games running due to injury this season whereas last year Cairney, Johansen and Mcdonald were the first names down every week.
A great win last night, despite the nature of it (5-2 up away from home after 87 minutes at the 2nd place team) will give us some confidence, so I a definitely optimistic we can climb the table so long as we don't undo the good work with a shoddy performance Saturday!
Patrick ,you were joking in your last post right?
Reading some of the posts today I would of thought we got beat.!!!!!!!
We WON 5-4!!!!!
Quote from: HV71 on November 21, 2017, 08:23:52 PM
For me it isn't just about what Jokanovic does it's about what others DONT do . E
If your manager doesn't want to lose either Aluko or Malone and others decide that they know better - then they are at fault as it is abundantly clear that we miss both. Jokanovic took a hard line with Martin but still played him because he knew we needed that type of front man. He got Fonte and KAmara - neither of which is that type of player. For Pete's sake everyone - if you were at work and your bosses ignored your expertise - how would you feel ? Are you blind , deaf and dumb ? As I have said in previous posts - get real , smell the coffee and put
yourself in his shoes - If you did you would be at least cross - I would be absolutely furious and at least I worked in an industry where my Chairman had done the job and knew about the industry . Not the case at Fulham - the incumbents obviously new more about sumo wrestling than football ( sorry soccer !!!! )
Give me strength !
+1
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Quote from: Robbie on November 20, 2017, 07:46:13 PM
Hello, I have noticed that many of the Slav-out posts get removed.
I am dedicated season ticket holder and big fan of the old FFC.
But I also want to see some WINS for my hard-earned money.
There are good managers out there, who know how to play Championship football.
Even Championship on Five (rightly) said at the weekend that we are the standout underperfomers in this league. We are not a nursery, we have ambition to get back to the PL.
Why is everyone on this site apparently so complacent?
How many more draws/losses?
Good timing mate. Feeling a little red faced?
Well, hindsight is always right, isn't it? :033:
This is a good thread, with good views, and the OP was right to bring it up (even if I disagreed).
I agree the OP had every right to bring this up but you say "he was right to bring it up". I'm not so sure; it was posted after the Derby game and anyone who was there could see that was a much improved performance, it was as if the weight of Kline and all the politics had been lifted and the lads felt free to focus on football. Last night's result showed more of the same.
Things are not ideal; defensive frailties, poor summer signings, lack of a central striker and even the failure to bring in a really top class keeper. But what most of these have in common is that they relate to our transfer policy not Joka's management. And I don't really buy the argument that he is inflexible, he has tried a number of variations and permutations within his overall preferred style. To me that is staying true to your beliefs not inflexibility.
Spot on.
Quote from: hovewhite on November 22, 2017, 05:36:36 PM
Reading some of the posts today I would of thought we got beat.!!!!!!!
We WON 5-4!!!!!
We almost did, we nearly threw it away, rather than be blinded too much by the victory, although we should still celebrate it, I celebrated the victory by taking both my wife and girlfriend for a knees up, but not at the same time I may add.
But the point I am making is that to give them hope when there shouldn't be any, we allowed Sheff Utd back into the game, which could have cost us, as we were hanging on.
That's because we are still fragile, did we lose concentration, why take McDonald off. The first 90 minutes are the most important, or in this case 113 minutes.
But we still lack that killer instinct, when your 5 2 up, you should be fresh out of mercy, go for the juggler, do not yield an inch.
Jok has still got plenty of work to do, as the next match with 15 minutes to go, we may only have a one goal lead as opposed to a three goal lead.
If you cannot defend a three goal lead without ending up hanging on by the skin of your teeth, then the players and manager are not ruthless enough.
Quote from: hovewhite on November 22, 2017, 05:36:36 PM
Reading some of the posts today I would of thought we got beat.!!!!!!!
We WON 5-4!!!!!
+1
And, as much to the point, we were in a game where most people were awaiting a heavy defeat. Sure the coaches and players still have loads of hard work to do thanks to the abysmal decisions made by the recruitment team in the summer but they haven't shirked from the task and I don't see any signs of anyone giving up the fight just yet. Some supporters are just so hard to please.
Sadly I am resurrecting this post. I was at Griffin Park this afternoon, and there was a lot of bad management on display. Too many players placed out of position, four of our best all playing in midfield, bringing on the children (why?).
Poor
