I would use these players:
Fabri
Christie Fosu-Mensah MLM Bryan
Seri Zambo Cairney
Sess Mitro Vietto
Bench: Rico, Chambers, Kmac, Johansen, Kamara, Kebano, Schuerrle.
I would really like to see more of Vietto and I think he would be good on either wing.
My XI would be
Fabri
Fosu-Mensah - Chambers - MLM - Bryan
Seri - Zambo - Cairney
Kamara - Mitro - Sessegnon
Explanation:
- I'd keep Chambers and MLM notwithstanding Chambers' poor form, just because IMO we need consistency there until Mawson comes in
- As for RW I'd have Kamara but I reckon Jokanovic will bring Schurrle back. I also agree with you it would be good to see more of Vietto
- I'd have Sessegnon back on the left
Quote from: Statto on August 19, 2018, 01:34:05 PM
My XI would be
Fabri
Fosu-Mensah - Chambers - MLM - Bryan
Seri - Zambo - Cairney
Kamara - Mitro - Sessegnon
Explanation:
- I'd keep Chambers and MLM notwithstanding Chambers' poor form, just because IMO we need consistency there until Mawson comes in
- As for RW I'd have Kamara but I reckon Jokanovic will bring Schurrle back. I also agree with you it would be good to see more of Vietto
- I'd have Sessegnon back on the left
Maybe you're right, but if Chambers has another dodgy game he needs to be dropped, so Burnley should be his last chance then. As for Sessegnon, I would maybe try him on rw for another game, because you can't properly judge his performance there on a game against Spurs and Schuerrle seems to like lw position more than rw position but we'll see.
Quote from: Statto on August 19, 2018, 01:34:05 PM
My XI would be
Fabri
Fosu-Mensah - Chambers - MLM - Bryan
Seri - Zambo - Cairney
Kamara - Mitro - Sessegnon
Explanation:
- I'd keep Chambers and MLM notwithstanding Chambers' poor form, just because IMO we need consistency there until Mawson comes in
- As for RW I'd have Kamara but I reckon Jokanovic will bring Schurrle back. I also agree with you it would be good to see more of Vietto
- I'd have Sessegnon back on the left
IMO a 4-3-3 is too offensive for our squad in the Premier League. With our possession game it was the perfect fit for the Championship, but in the PL the opponents are better organised and experienced.
I'd rather go for a 4-2-3-1 with McDonald and Anguissa both stabilising our full backs. Cairney or Seri between Schurrle and Sess feeding Mitro. As long as Fabri shows confidence I'd keep him between the sticks, could try Rico v Exeter. Fullbacks are most difficult, I'd like to see Mawson and Ream performing. If it works, together with Christie and MLM.
My XI would be
Fabri
Fosu-Mensah - Ream if fit (Chambers) - MLM - Bryan
Seri - Zambo - Cairney
Kamara - Mitro - Schürrle
Would sub AK or Shürrle for Vietto around 65th
Betts
Chistie Ream if fit (Chambers) - MLM - Bryan
Seri - Zambo - kmac - Cairney - Sess
Mitro
Quote from: Statto on August 19, 2018, 01:34:05 PM
My XI would be
Fabri
Fosu-Mensah - Chambers - MLM - Bryan
Seri - Zambo - Cairney
Kamara - Mitro - Sessegnon
Explanation:
- I'd keep Chambers and MLM notwithstanding Chambers' poor form, just because IMO we need consistency there until Mawson comes in
- As for RW I'd have Kamara but I reckon Jokanovic will bring Schurrle back. I also agree with you it would be good to see more of Vietto
- I'd have Sessegnon back on the left
Agreed, except I would probably replace Chambers with Odoi. Not ideal but Chambers has been very poor IMO.
Fabri
Christie Chambers Le Marchand Bryan
Seri Anguissa Cairney
Schurrle Mitrovic Sessegnon
Bettinelli
Christie - Ream/Odoi - Le Marchand - Bryan
Cairney - Anguissa - Seri
Schürrle - Mitrovic - Sessegnon
Whatever the starting eleven, and we have plenty of choice in most positions, and Burnley are a solid outfit. Being at home as well, we need a result, and preferably a win, for confidence and team morale, as well as the need to get points on the board.
We have the players and the quality to achieve our first points very soon.
Fabri
Christie
Odoi
MLM
Bryan
Aggi
Seri
Cairney
Schurrle
Seas
Mitro
Fabri
Mensah - Odoi - Le Marchand - Bryan
Cairney - Anguissa - Seri
AK - Mitrovic - Sessegnon
Mensah was up against Spurs so I feel some have been a tad harsh on him.
I would prefer AK, but think Joka will bring back Schurrle, with AK subbed on early 2nd period.
What have KMac and Christie done wrong to warrant exclusion from most people's line ups? I think they were at least OK, and didn't really put a foot wrong. Strange.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on August 19, 2018, 10:15:55 PM
Fabri
Christie Chambers Le Marchand Bryan
Seri Anguissa Cairney
Schurrle Mitrovic Sessegnon
that's the team i would be happy to see as think this is 3 points,plus a victory would be 3points towards the 37 needed.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on August 19, 2018, 10:15:55 PM
Fabri
Christie Chambers Le Marchand Bryan
Seri Anguissa Cairney
Schurrle Mitrovic Sessegnon
:plus one: If I was to make another change it would be Rico for Fabri but I agree that his first game may be Exeter.
For me
Fabri
Fosu-Mensah Chambers Le Marchand Bryan
Seri Aguissa Cairney
Sessegnon Schurrle
Mitrovic
Subs - Rico , Christie , Ream , McDonald , Johansen , Kamara , Vietto
Odoi , Ayite , Kebano not even making the bench shows the depth of our squad now!!
Having watched both games on television again, I must confess I do not understand the discussion about Fabri. I would rather expect a discussion about Chambers. He was involved in three of our five goals conceded.
Quote from: MrFFC on August 20, 2018, 08:54:19 PM
For me
Fabri
Fosu-Mensah Chambers Le Marchand Bryan
Seri Aguissa Cairney
Sessegnon Schurrle
Mitrovic
Subs - Rico , Christie , Ream , McDonald , Johansen , Kamara , Vietto
Odoi , Ayite , Kebano not even making the bench shows the depth of our squad now!!
:plus one:
We'll have the ball and we're at home, so I expect the Palace lineup, but with Anguissa in for McDonald.
*Agree with those who leave the back the same. Including Fabri even though he is making me more and more nervous. it's just too soon to pass judgement on him.
*Bryan remains but Ak goes to the bench as we need someone to offer better cover down the left side.
*Midfield remain the same from Spurs match but would like to see Sess back on the left and Shurrle on the right up top splitting Mitro.
*Can understand people wanting to get away from the attack minded 4-3-3 formation but I just can't see it. Slav likes and believes in the possession game. If the team is able to gel more then I do believe over time the system will work. Of course that means the players do need to start making quicker decisions and faster one touch passes, especially in the box.
Fabri
Fosu-Mensah Chambers Le Marchand Bryan
Seri Aguissa Cairney
Sessegnon Schurrle
Mitrovic
Like the idea of seeing some of Vietto.
my team against Burnley
Fabri
Christie Ream Le Marchand Bryan
Cairney Anguissa Seri
AK Mitro Sess
subs: Rico, Fosu-Mensah, Chambers, McDonald, Johansen, Schurrle, Vietto
I thought Fabri did OK against Spurs so I think he'll get the start
Christie & Ream(if fit) for Fosu-Mensah & Chambers
the midfield looked good, a bit harsh on KMac but you don't pay £20-£30 million and leave Anguissa on the bench especially after his good performance against Spurs
I'd revert Sess back to the left side and keep AK on the right, Mitro must be the first name on the team sheet
Quote from: WhiteJC on August 22, 2018, 07:41:27 AM
my team against Burnley
Fabri
Christie Ream Le Marchand Bryan
Cairney Anguissa Seri
AK Mitro Sess
subs: Rico, Fosu-Mensah, Chambers, McDonald, Johansen, Schurrle, Vietto
I thought Fabri did OK against Spurs so I think he'll get the start
Christie & Ream(if fit) for Fosu-Mensah & Chambers
the midfield looked good, a bit harsh on KMac but you don't pay £20-£30 million and leave Anguissa on the bench especially after his good performance against Spurs
I'd revert Sess back to the left side and keep AK on the right, Mitro must be the first name on the team sheet
Playing Ream as the RCB is a bad move IMO. Le Marchand has earned his place during Ream's injury, and Chambers has made mistakes, but until Mawson is fit, I would try not to chance the defence much.
Playing a left footed CB at RCB isn't often successful. The Celta home game showed it.
I think Christie did well in the first match and would like to see him back. I am not happy with Chambers and have said so but I do understand the argument for keeping him there again. I would keep Kamara who adds so much more when we are going forward and I would hope we would do so more against Burnley than against Spuds although Burnley have proved a very good side.
My only other question mark is Sess. He looks a little out of his depth but would still keep him in.
If anyone is foolhardy to think that Burnley will be any easier than our first two matches must think again. Yes they will be playing tomorrow night plus the travelling.
I think everyone is sensible enough to know that each match is a different challenge, and we will have to earn every point.
But we do stand a chance v Burnley, and I would only want minimal changes, if any.
Familiarity is the key, and the manager has to try and show confidence in players who played at Wembley v Spurs, that was no picnic.
But we also have competition for places. We obviously would like to see a marked improvement after another weeks training together, and performances will be under scrutiny as well as a much desired result, just to get points on the board to build on.
Sometimes tinkering around for the sake of it can be counter productive, having said that, your damned if you do and dammed if you don't.
At least Slavisa has a decent choice to choose from, but Sean Dyche is a Wily Old Fox, and sets his stall out very well, I am sure Slavisa will have a good think about his line up, especially after back to back defeats.
Quote from: twang on August 20, 2018, 09:36:11 AM
Bettinelli
Christie - Ream/Odoi - Le Marchand - Bryan
Cairney - Anguissa - Seri
Schürrle - Mitrovic - Sessegnon
Agree 100%
In response to the posts about keeping Chambers in the team for fear of meddling with the defence - this has to be a pretty weak argument.
Chambers was at fault (to greater and lesser degrees) for Palace's first goal, and Spurs' first and third goals.
It's not like we scraped by with him in; we lost both games! If you don't drop a player in these circumstances, when do you?
I hate to say I told you so, but when he was signed I wrote on the Silly Season thread that I didn't think much of his defending.
Quote from: bencher on August 22, 2018, 02:54:37 PM
In response to the posts about keeping Chambers in the team for fear of meddling with the defence - this has to be a pretty weak argument.
Chambers was at fault (to greater and lesser degrees) for Palace's first goal, and Spurs' first and third goals.
It's not like we scraped by with him in; we lost both games! If you don't drop a player in these circumstances, when do you?
I hate to say I told you so, but when he was signed I wrote on the Silly Season thread that I didn't think much of his defending.
For me part of the reason is that in that position, assuming Ream is still unavailable, the replacement is still likely to be another pretty poor (by PL standards) centre back. But also you totally unsettle the whole back 5.
So if the replacement is Odoi, sorry but he's a short full-back who i never wanted to see at CB for us at this level, and he's never played a competitive game with Fabri, Bryan or MLM. In that context even a poor Chambers gets my vote because he's probably no worse, and may well improve now he's had a couple of games to adapt.
To turn your question on it's head, Chambers has only had 2 games at this club, with 2 different DMs in front of him and 2 different RBs alongside him in each game - if you don't give the lad some lattitude in those circumstances, when do you?
Also by your logic shouldn't we also drop Fabri for the second Palace goal and Anguissa for the second Spurs goal?
Fabri
Fosu-Mensah Chambers LeM Bryan
Anguissa Cairney Seri
Ayite (if fit, Schurrle if not) Mito Sess
Bench - Rico/Betts, Odoi, Christie, McDonald, Johansen, Ream, Vietto
Ream still unavailable due to injury joined by Ayite. Mawson to miss this game but return to action against Exeter
Chambers the less of two evils at this stage (until Ream or Mawson are back) so, for me, same team as against Spurs but with Schurrle in for AK (AK much more effective from the bench).
COYW!
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 22, 2018, 01:40:07 PM
If anyone is foolhardy to think that Burnley will be any easier than our first two matches must think again. Yes they will be playing tomorrow night plus the travelling.
I think everyone is sensible enough to know that each match is a different challenge, and we will have to earn every point.
But we do stand a chance v Burnley, and I would only want minimal changes, if any.
Familiarity is the key, and the manager has to try and show confidence in players who played at Wembley v Spurs, that was no picnic.
But we also have competition for places. We obviously would like to see a marked improvement after another weeks training together, and performances will be under scrutiny as well as a much desired result, just to get points on the board to build on.
Sometimes tinkering around for the sake of it can be counter productive, having said that, your damned if you do and dammed if you don't.
At least Slavisa has a decent choice to choose from, but Sean Dyche is a Wily Old Fox, and sets his stall out very well, I am sure Slavisa will have a good think about his line up, especially after back to back defeats.
Burnley are currently on a dreadful run of one win in 8 in the league, which is relegation form, dress it up however you like, this is a winnable game.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 23, 2018, 03:53:00 PM
Chambers the less of two evils at this stage (until Ream or Mawson are back) so, for me, same team as against Spurs but with Schurrle in for AK (AK much more effective from the bench).
COYW!
One of those evils dominated Chris Wood away to Leeds last season, just for the record.
Quote from: twang on August 23, 2018, 04:09:45 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 23, 2018, 03:53:00 PM
Chambers the less of two evils at this stage (until Ream or Mawson are back) so, for me, same team as against Spurs but with Schurrle in for AK (AK much more effective from the bench).
COYW!
One of those evils dominated Chris Wood away to Leeds last season, just for the record.
So you'd drop Odoi (a natural fullback) in to a back four, three of which he's not played a single game with, in a match which I think almost everyone would term a 'must not lose' (if not a 'must win')?
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 23, 2018, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: twang on August 23, 2018, 04:09:45 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 23, 2018, 03:53:00 PM
Chambers the less of two evils at this stage (until Ream or Mawson are back) so, for me, same team as against Spurs but with Schurrle in for AK (AK much more effective from the bench).
COYW!
One of those evils dominated Chris Wood away to Leeds last season, just for the record.
So you'd drop Odoi (a natural fullback) in to a back four, three of which he's not played a single game with, in a match which I think almost everyone would term a 'must not lose' (if not a 'must win')?
Personally no.... I'll let Slav chose the team for this one :005:
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 23, 2018, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: twang on August 23, 2018, 04:09:45 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 23, 2018, 03:53:00 PM
Chambers the less of two evils at this stage (until Ream or Mawson are back) so, for me, same team as against Spurs but with Schurrle in for AK (AK much more effective from the bench).
COYW!
One of those evils dominated Chris Wood away to Leeds last season, just for the record.
So you'd drop Odoi (a natural fullback) in to a back four, three of which he's not played a single game with, in a match which I think almost everyone would term a 'must not lose' (if not a 'must win')?
There are people arguing that the person Odoi pushed out of the team would be a better option to Chambers, so I think there are a few arguing that.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 23, 2018, 04:38:50 PM
Quote from: twang on August 23, 2018, 04:09:45 PM
Quote from: ByTheRiver on August 23, 2018, 03:53:00 PM
Chambers the less of two evils at this stage (until Ream or Mawson are back) so, for me, same team as against Spurs but with Schurrle in for AK (AK much more effective from the bench).
COYW!
One of those evils dominated Chris Wood away to Leeds last season, just for the record.
So you'd drop Odoi (a natural fullback) in to a back four, three of which he's not played a single game with, in a match which I think almost everyone would term a 'must not lose' (if not a 'must win')?
Yep. Odoi is a central defender for us now, he got into and stayed in our team on merit. He's also played with Christie and Le Marchand before and, more importantly, trained with them longer than Chambers.
Quote from: Riversider on August 23, 2018, 03:59:45 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 22, 2018, 01:40:07 PM
If anyone is foolhardy to think that Burnley will be any easier than our first two matches must think again. Yes they will be playing tomorrow night plus the travelling.
I think everyone is sensible enough to know that each match is a different challenge, and we will have to earn every point.
But we do stand a chance v Burnley, and I would only want minimal changes, if any.
Familiarity is the key, and the manager has to try and show confidence in players who played at Wembley v Spurs, that was no picnic.
But we also have competition for places. We obviously would like to see a marked improvement after another weeks training together, and performances will be under scrutiny as well as a much desired result, just to get points on the board to build on.
Sometimes tinkering around for the sake of it can be counter productive, having said that, your damned if you do and dammed if you don't.
At least Slavisa has a decent choice to choose from, but Sean Dyche is a Wily Old Fox, and sets his stall out very well, I am sure Slavisa will have a good think about his line up, especially after back to back defeats.
Burnley are currently on a dreadful run of one win in 8 in the league, which is relegation form, dress it up however you like, this is a winnable game.
1. Athens to London is roughly only a 4 hour flight - Burnley may come straight 'here' and will not be travelling economy!
2. In Roy's day we did Thursday/Sunday regularly with a squad of arguably more ordinary players than Burnley have. Without fuss, without complaining, with good results and team ethos.
3.One win in 8, and Kane never scores in August. We are adept at helping others to break losing streaks. Fulhamish.
4. All games are winnable.
Betts
Christie Odoi Ream Sess
Mc Donald
Johansen Cairney
Kamara Mitrovic Kebano
Subs:- Le Mercharde, Chambers, Brian, Schurle, Seri , Fonti.
Go back as near as possible to last season's winning team and make the new players earn their places by putting in good showings as subs.
Quote from: filham on August 24, 2018, 12:45:26 PM
Betts
Christie Odoi Ream Sess
Mc Donald
Johansen Cairney
Kamara Mitrovic Kebano
Subs:- Le Mercharde, Chambers, Brian, Schurle, Seri , Fonti.
Go back as near as possible to last season's winning team and make the new players earn their places by putting in good showings as subs.
Ah yes let's attempt to get relegated by playing last years team and leave out all the really good players when a fair few of them have already proven they should be starting. The fact you'd drop Seri, MLM and Bryan straight off is amusing but playing Odoi is suicide, as well as the fact that Ream isn't fit enough to play. Oh and Sess at left back, we saw how well that went against Palace so sure let's revert to that. You've also not included our best holding midfielder in your team so how's he supposed to get back in the team when he shouldn't even be out of it. Just because a team can win in one league, doesn't mean it's fit for purpose in a better league
I will have a £50 bet with anyone who wants it right now that Odoi doesn't start a single league game as CB under Jokanovic
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 24, 2018, 12:55:21 PM
Quote from: filham on August 24, 2018, 12:45:26 PM
Betts
Christie Odoi Ream Sess
Mc Donald
Johansen Cairney
Kamara Mitrovic Kebano
Subs:- Le Mercharde, Chambers, Brian, Schurle, Seri , Fonti.
Go back as near as possible to last season's winning team and make the new players earn their places by putting in good showings as subs.
Ah yes let's attempt to get relegated by playing last years team and leave out all the really good players when a fair few of them have already proven they should be starting. The fact you'd drop Seri, MLM and Bryan straight off is amusing but playing Odoi is suicide, as well as the fact that Ream isn't fit enough to play. Oh and Sess at left back, we saw how well that went against Palace so sure let's revert to that. You've also not included our best holding midfielder in your team so how's he supposed to get back in the team when he shouldn't even be out of it. Just because a team can win in one league, doesn't mean it's fit for purpose in a better league
None of our multi million pound players have as yet proved their worth, except Mitrovic who was with us last season.
Jocanovic has said it will take time for the new players to settle and blend and we are hearing of communication and home sickness problems with the new keepers, we are at risk of more of the same against Burnley. Fielding this expensive but unsettled team against Burnley could well result in another defeat leaving us rock bottom of the table.
Of the new big money signings Seri is the one who has shown real class and could prove to be worth the price we paid for him but he operates almost entirely in the middle third and is not going to make the runs into the box and score the goals that Johansen does. We need johansen's runs on Sunday.
