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Title: Betts gets England cap
Post by: HamsterWheel on September 04, 2018, 03:11:46 PM
Marcus has got a call-up for England.
Well done !
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: twang on September 04, 2018, 03:13:48 PM
Great news for Marcus and hopefully a major confidence boost, well done!
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Facts Not Fiction on September 04, 2018, 03:17:07 PM
Happy for him. Shocked is an understatement.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 04, 2018, 03:25:42 PM
Marcus could be joined somewhere along the line by Alfie Mawson and Ryan Sessegnon in the England squad.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: davew on September 04, 2018, 03:32:20 PM
Good luck to him!!
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: KH17 on September 04, 2018, 03:33:55 PM
Just the start but what a fantastic achievement for a true professional who has grafted and overcome every challenge he has faced for the past 5 years.

As above,  fingers crossed for a bus stop outside Alfie and Ryan's front door soon...
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: hovewhite on September 04, 2018, 03:39:09 PM
Really happy for Marcus, brilliant and more recognition for our brilliant academy.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Camel Club on September 04, 2018, 03:40:13 PM
Absolutely delighted for him. Well done Marcus. Nobody can handle a flare like that man!!  :yay:
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: HanseatUK on September 04, 2018, 03:59:18 PM
Very happy for Marcus who I regard very highly as a goalkeeper and a person. :yay:
Also proud and thrilled for Fulham to see him making his way from the academy to the national team. 049:gif
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Marcel_Gecov on September 04, 2018, 04:03:26 PM
Did I also read in the Tuesday roundup that he'd got himself a new contract?
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Huxley on September 04, 2018, 04:09:04 PM
Not to be the bearer of bad news... Betts onlt gets an England cap when he takes the field, but also he has joined as part of the wider training group. Great news for him, not so good for Fulham as he will not be taking part in Fulham training.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Slaphead in Qatar on September 04, 2018, 04:25:54 PM
well i have been saying fabri has been dodgy in the few games he's played for us - well done to slava for making a quick change, and well done to marcus for earning a call up
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Holders on September 04, 2018, 04:27:07 PM
I'm delighted for him.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: ffcwickford on September 04, 2018, 04:27:36 PM
Well deserved, may not get a game but to be part of a wider training group is a massive feather in his cap.

We could have a possibilty of Betts, Mawson and Sessegnon all being called up along with possibly Chambers and Bryan - COYWs
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: nose returns on September 04, 2018, 04:37:49 PM
brilliant news.
Is he the first fulham goalkeeper called up to an england full squad?

Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Holders on September 04, 2018, 04:45:25 PM
Quote from: nose on September 04, 2018, 04:37:49 PM
brilliant news.
Is he the first fulham goalkeeper called up to an england full squad?



Stockdale was called up but dipped out because he was getting wed.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: cmg on September 04, 2018, 04:49:09 PM

Great news.

Congratulations to him.

Shows another reason why it is important to be in the PL.

One Of Our Own +   At 26 he has been with us for over half his life.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: RaySmith on September 04, 2018, 04:51:30 PM
Great news - well done.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Milo on September 04, 2018, 04:53:35 PM
Knew this would happen this season! Earlier than expected though.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: fulham traveller on September 04, 2018, 04:57:09 PM
Well done ,also puts your value up
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Chutney on September 04, 2018, 04:59:33 PM
Massive congrats and fully deserved.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Neil D on September 04, 2018, 05:02:16 PM
Quote from: Holders on September 04, 2018, 04:45:25 PM
Quote from: nose on September 04, 2018, 04:37:49 PM
brilliant news.
Is he the first fulham goalkeeper called up to an england full squad?



Stockdale was called up but dipped out because he was getting wed.
Labone missed out on a World Cup final for the same reason...
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: bog on September 04, 2018, 05:18:35 PM
Absolutely fantastic news. So from looking to be 3rd choice he is now the man in possession and gets an England call up! And he's one of our own!!!  :clap_hands: :clap_hands:


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Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Fernhurst on September 04, 2018, 05:28:13 PM
Quote from: bog on September 04, 2018, 05:18:35 PM
Absolutely fantastic news. So from looking to be 3rd choice he is now the man in possession and gets an England call up! And he's one of our own!!!  :clap_hands: :clap_hands:


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Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Holders on September 04, 2018, 05:32:06 PM
Quote from: Neil D on September 04, 2018, 05:02:16 PM
Quote from: Holders on September 04, 2018, 04:45:25 PM
Quote from: nose on September 04, 2018, 04:37:49 PM
brilliant news.
Is he the first fulham goalkeeper called up to an england full squad?



Stockdale was called up but dipped out because he was getting wed.
Labone missed out on a World Cup final for the same reason...

I didn't know that, what a good player.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: bog on September 04, 2018, 05:39:53 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on September 04, 2018, 05:28:13 PM
Quote from: bog on September 04, 2018, 05:18:35 PM
Absolutely fantastic news. So from looking to be 3rd choice he is now the man in possession and gets an England call up! And he's one of our own!!!  :clap_hands: :clap_hands:


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Fernhurst, The last goalkeeper to get close that we produced was a certain Tony Macedo...only his birth place held him back, as you are well aware.    049:gif 
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: KJS on September 04, 2018, 05:47:42 PM
Well done Betts  :54:
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Milo on September 04, 2018, 06:01:06 PM
I have a gut feeling he's going to put in some fantastic performances in an England shirt and play in an actual competitive game for Eng too..!
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: HV71 on September 04, 2018, 06:01:50 PM
Such great news - well done Betts - you deserve it !
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Holders on September 04, 2018, 06:12:49 PM
I think Maik Taylor could well have got a call-up if he hadn't already opted for NI. 
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: grandad on September 04, 2018, 06:26:05 PM
Fantastic news for Betts & Fulham. He will be followed by Sess & Mawson. Would be great for all 3 to play together for England.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Fulhamboy1111 on September 04, 2018, 07:24:54 PM
Congratulations and well deserved.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Forever Fulham on September 04, 2018, 07:41:39 PM
That's great news.  I wonder if it will have any effect upon  Slavisa's view of him relative to the other keepers.  Your horn is loudest when someone else blows it for you.   
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: The Enclosurite on September 04, 2018, 08:23:14 PM
Well done to Betts.  Fully deserved call up.   049:gif
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Marinelloguthrie on September 04, 2018, 09:23:09 PM
Well done to Betts, will be good for his confidence..

Selfishly though would have been good to have him training with the defensive unit this week but very happy for him.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: cheese pie on September 04, 2018, 09:48:51 PM
Fantastic news! Well done Betts  049:gif
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Stoneleigh Loyalist on September 04, 2018, 10:40:06 PM
I say good luck to Betts but at the same time I find this amusing.
At the end of last season when questioned Gareth Southgate said that they were keeping an eye on Betts but they would not select a keeper who did not have Premiershp experience.
Two games later!!
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: One James stannard on September 04, 2018, 11:35:21 PM
Ive got a sneaky feeling betts regularly reads this message board, well done mate.

FULLY DESERVED  :clap_hands: :yay: 049:gif                                   :dft012:
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: RaySmith on September 05, 2018, 02:54:16 AM
This shows how   being back in the Prem puts the club back in the media's/public eye, after a  few years of Championship invisibility.

Bets call up is great for the club's profile, as well as for the player, who fully deserves it - well done mate.

Let's hope we see some more Fulham  players getting full England caps.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: SWSixer on September 05, 2018, 03:04:24 AM
Great news. Quite a turnaround the past few weeks.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: HatterDon on September 05, 2018, 04:16:05 AM
pleased for the callup, but a callup ain't a cap. I doubt he'll get one this time out, and I don't think anything other than a massive drop in form can pry the gloves from Pickford in the next 10 years, but good recognition for the difference he's made for Fulham this season.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Stoneleigh Loyalist on September 05, 2018, 09:15:08 AM
Pickford is injured!
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: the nutflush on September 05, 2018, 11:40:30 AM
Congrats to the man!
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Twig on September 05, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Totally deserved. Betts has been our best keeper for a long time and remains our best until I see someone capable of taking over as our number one (and as yet I haven't).

So very pleased for him and as others have reminded us, he's one of our own.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: WokingFFC on September 05, 2018, 04:13:47 PM
Superb news - well done Betts. Recognition for all your hard work and determination.  077.gif  :wow:
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: cookieg on September 05, 2018, 04:22:19 PM
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on September 05, 2018, 09:15:08 AM
Pickford is injured!

I did think that one of the keepers must be injured but haven't seen anything anywhere.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: I Ronic on September 05, 2018, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 05, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Totally deserved. Betts has been our best keeper for a long time and remains our best until I see someone capable of taking over as our number one (and as yet I haven't).

So very pleased for him and as others have reminded us, he's one of our own.

I'm pleased for him as well but to be fair to Rico and Fabri. None of our goalkeepers have any experience in the  Premiership. Slav sees far more of them than you or I and picks accordingly. The one thing we do know about Betts is he sticks in there and doesn't give up. Which maybe true of Fab and Rico too. What is certain is we have a trio of good keepers who will fight to keep us in this league.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Facts Not Fiction on September 05, 2018, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 05, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Totally deserved. Betts has been our best keeper for a long time and remains our best until I see someone capable of taking over as our number one (and as yet I haven't).

So very pleased for him and as others have reminded us, he's one of our own.

You saw Fabri for 2 games. Rico for 1. Both wouldn't have been brought in if Bettinelli was 100% capable.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: General on September 05, 2018, 11:43:33 PM
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on September 04, 2018, 10:40:06 PM
I say good luck to Betts but at the same time I find this amusing.
At the end of last season when questioned Gareth Southgate said that they were keeping an eye on Betts but they would not select a keeper who did not have Premiershp experience.
Two games later!!

They obviously see a lot of potential in him and he does have all the attributes needed to succeed and time on his side.. that being said though there's a lot of competition for the number one jersey and whilst no keeper has made it their own.. i wouldn't put him above the likes of pickford for instance. That said he probably is the most rounded keeper in terms of approach and academic all round ability due to his dad's influence and with his height and ability if fine tuned and encouraged perhaps one day he could go to a tournament at least.

Would be quite something to see us have three players in an England squad at a tournament.. aided by the fact slavisas style is similar to the one Southgate wants to play.. I also think schurrle could make his way back into the reckoning for the Germany squad if he continued to play this way.. when was the last time we had a German international on our books?
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Jamie88 on September 06, 2018, 09:34:07 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 05, 2018, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 05, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Totally deserved. Betts has been our best keeper for a long time and remains our best until I see someone capable of taking over as our number one (and as yet I haven't).

So very pleased for him and as others have reminded us, he's one of our own.

You saw Fabri for 2 games. Rico for 1. Both wouldn't have been brought in if Bettinelli was 100% capable.

You reaallllly hate Betts don't you?! Only time I ever see you post is to big up Fabri and Rico and say Betts is useless!
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 06, 2018, 09:45:26 AM
Betts in my opinion is better at the moment than the other two keepers and safer.
Coincidentally so does Slavisa.
He deserves to be called up to the England squad in the same way that he deserves to be Fulhams number one.
I remember how much it meant to him when the final whistle blew in the play off final, after keeping another clean sheet, and secured our place in the Premier League once again, and he is one of our own.
Never forget your roots.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: aaronmcguigan on September 06, 2018, 10:14:08 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 05, 2018, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 05, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Totally deserved. Betts has been our best keeper for a long time and remains our best until I see someone capable of taking over as our number one (and as yet I haven't).

So very pleased for him and as others have reminded us, he's one of our own.

You saw Fabri for 2 games. Rico for 1. Both wouldn't have been brought in if Bettinelli was 100% capable.

A championship standard keeper was sold and two academy keepers were loaned out.
What makes you think whether or not Betts is 100% capable that Fulham wouldn't sign some competition for the #1 spot, like they have for every other position.  Rico and Fabri are fantastic competition and 3 top level keepers pushing each other can only help us.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Facts Not Fiction on September 06, 2018, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 06, 2018, 09:45:26 AM
Betts in my opinion is better at the moment than the other two keepers and safer.
Coincidentally so does Slavisa.
He deserves to be called up to the England squad in the same way that he deserves to be Fulhams number one.
I remember how much it meant to him when the final whistle blew in the play off final, after keeping another clean sheet, and secured our place in the Premier League once again, and he is one of our own.
Never forget your roots.

This is where people seem to ending going. It always leads back to his passion for the club. Yes, he does care, but how can you say he's safer then Fabri? Fabri has made considerably more saves, and his distribution is statistically better.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Facts Not Fiction on September 06, 2018, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on September 06, 2018, 09:34:07 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 05, 2018, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 05, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Totally deserved. Betts has been our best keeper for a long time and remains our best until I see someone capable of taking over as our number one (and as yet I haven't).

So very pleased for him and as others have reminded us, he's one of our own.

You saw Fabri for 2 games. Rico for 1. Both wouldn't have been brought in if Bettinelli was 100% capable.

You reaallllly hate Betts don't you?! Only time I ever see you post is to big up Fabri and Rico and say Betts is useless!

Please show me where I called him useless?

My opinion is that Fabri and Rico are steps up for Bettinelli, who is a decent keeper, but we can do better.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 06, 2018, 12:08:46 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 06, 2018, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 06, 2018, 09:45:26 AM
Betts in my opinion is better at the moment than the other two keepers and safer.
Coincidentally so does Slavisa.
He deserves to be called up to the England squad in the same way that he deserves to be Fulhams number one.
I remember how much it meant to him when the final whistle blew in the play off final, after keeping another clean sheet, and secured our place in the Premier League once again, and he is one of our own.
Never forget your roots.

This is where people seem to ending going. It always leads back to his passion for the club. Yes, he does care, but how can you say he's safer then Fabri? Fabri has made considerably more saves, and his distribution is statistically better.

Passion is part and partial of competive sport, it's an important ingredient in the process of becoming a success.
I hope he is there to stay in goal as our number one.
I have empathy with him.
It appears Slavisa has decided he is currently first choice.
Having Rico and Fabri on the books will create a healthy competition for places.
Whoever is in goal will most certainly be kept on their toes.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: FulhamElite on September 06, 2018, 02:02:05 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 06, 2018, 12:08:46 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 06, 2018, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 06, 2018, 09:45:26 AM
Betts in my opinion is better at the moment than the other two keepers and safer.
Coincidentally so does Slavisa.
He deserves to be called up to the England squad in the same way that he deserves to be Fulhams number one.
I remember how much it meant to him when the final whistle blew in the play off final, after keeping another clean sheet, and secured our place in the Premier League once again, and he is one of our own.
Never forget your roots.

This is where people seem to ending going. It always leads back to his passion for the club. Yes, he does care, but how can you say he's safer then Fabri? Fabri has made considerably more saves, and his distribution is statistically better.

Passion is part and partial of competive sport, it's an important ingredient in the process of becoming a success.
I hope he is there to stay in goal as our number one.
I have empathy with him.
It appears Slavisa has decided he is currently first choice.
Having Rico and Fabri on the books will create a healthy competition for places.
Whoever is in goal will most certainly be kept on their toes.

There's also the fact that Betts can speak English, which most of our back line speak. No doubt being able to commicate with the defence has benefitted him. On a slight tangent, I would be surprised if we kept all 3 keepers. I don't see why Rico or his parent club would accept a whole season of being 3rd choice when he can do that back in Spain.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 06, 2018, 03:28:22 PM
Quote from: FulhamElite on September 06, 2018, 02:02:05 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 06, 2018, 12:08:46 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 06, 2018, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 06, 2018, 09:45:26 AM
Betts in my opinion is better at the moment than the other two keepers and safer.
Coincidentally so does Slavisa.
He deserves to be called up to the England squad in the same way that he deserves to be Fulhams number one.
I remember how much it meant to him when the final whistle blew in the play off final, after keeping another clean sheet, and secured our place in the Premier League once again, and he is one of our own.
Never forget your roots.

This is where people seem to ending going. It always leads back to his passion for the club. Yes, he does care, but how can you say he's safer then Fabri? Fabri has made considerably more saves, and his distribution is statistically better.

Passion is part and partial of competive sport, it's an important ingredient in the process of becoming a success.
I hope he is there to stay in goal as our number one.
I have empathy with him.
It appears Slavisa has decided he is currently first choice.
Having Rico and Fabri on the books will create a healthy competition for places.
Whoever is in goal will most certainly be kept on their toes.

There's also the fact that Betts can speak English, which most of our back line speak. No doubt being able to commicate with the defence has benefitted him. On a slight tangent, I would be surprised if we kept all 3 keepers. I don't see why Rico or his parent club would accept a whole season of being 3rd choice when he can do that back in Spain.

Speaking English is a massive advantage for a Goalkeeper in England, in fact it is essential, and Rico can return home to Spain if he or his parent club are not happy, with my blessing.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Twig on September 06, 2018, 06:00:20 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 05, 2018, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 05, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Totally deserved. Betts has been our best keeper for a long time and remains our best until I see someone capable of taking over as our number one (and as yet I haven't).

So very pleased for him and as others have reminded us, he's one of our own.

You saw Fabri for 2 games. Rico for 1. Both wouldn't have been brought in if Bettinelli was 100% capable.

Exactly that's why I said "until I see someone capable of taking over (and as yet I haven't)".  If Ricoh or even Fabri turn out to be better keepers then good luck to them.  You have previously made extravagant claims that they are both better, you seem to have based this on their past experience. I prefer the evidence of what I see and as yet neither have shown anything to suggest they can overtake Betts, but I agree it might happen. We will have to wait and see but in the meantime Betts remains my preferred choice.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: General on September 06, 2018, 06:08:35 PM
It's not technically a cap unless he plays a game though right?
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: cmg on September 06, 2018, 07:45:22 PM
It's not a cap in any way, shape or form unlesss he actually steps onto the pitch during the course of an international match.

("call" rather than "cap" might have fitted better in the title of the thread. But if the cap fits....)
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: FFCpmd on September 06, 2018, 08:14:21 PM
Well done Betts - delighted!
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Twig on September 06, 2018, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 06, 2018, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on September 06, 2018, 09:34:07 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 05, 2018, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 05, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Totally deserved. Betts has been our best keeper for a long time and remains our best until I see someone capable of taking over as our number one (and as yet I haven't).

So very pleased for him and as others have reminded us, he's one of our own.

You saw Fabri for 2 games. Rico for 1. Both wouldn't have been brought in if Bettinelli was 100% capable.

You reaallllly hate Betts don't you?! Only time I ever see you post is to big up Fabri and Rico and say Betts is useless!

Please show me where I called him useless?

My opinion is that Fabri and Rico are steps up for Bettinelli, who is a decent keeper, but we can do better.

But you've only seen Fabri twice and Rico once!
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: hovewhite on September 07, 2018, 04:45:57 AM
Fabri in the 2 games he's looked inferior to Betts in my view and I'm thinking slav felt the same!
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 08:15:36 AM
Quote from: Twig on September 06, 2018, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 06, 2018, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on September 06, 2018, 09:34:07 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 05, 2018, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 05, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Totally deserved. Betts has been our best keeper for a long time and remains our best until I see someone capable of taking over as our number one (and as yet I haven't).

So very pleased for him and as others have reminded us, he's one of our own.

You saw Fabri for 2 games. Rico for 1. Both wouldn't have been brought in if Bettinelli was 100% capable.

You reaallllly hate Betts don't you?! Only time I ever see you post is to big up Fabri and Rico and say Betts is useless!

Please show me where I called him useless?

My opinion is that Fabri and Rico are steps up for Bettinelli, who is a decent keeper, but we can do better.

But you've only seen Fabri twice and Rico once!

I've seen both play at a significantly higher standard in the CL.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 08:16:49 AM
Statistically, Bettinelli has worse distribution success rate than Fabri, and a worse successful save rate over the 2 games. Not opinion, fact.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Twig on September 07, 2018, 08:18:32 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 08:15:36 AM
Quote from: Twig on September 06, 2018, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 06, 2018, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on September 06, 2018, 09:34:07 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 05, 2018, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 05, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Totally deserved. Betts has been our best keeper for a long time and remains our best until I see someone capable of taking over as our number one (and as yet I haven't).

So very pleased for him and as others have reminded us, he's one of our own.

You saw Fabri for 2 games. Rico for 1. Both wouldn't have been brought in if Bettinelli was 100% capable.

You reaallllly hate Betts don't you?! Only time I ever see you post is to big up Fabri and Rico and say Betts is useless!

Please show me where I called him useless?

My opinion is that Fabri and Rico are steps up for Bettinelli, who is a decent keeper, but we can do better.

But you've only seen Fabri twice and Rico once!

I've seen both play at a significantly higher standard in the CL.

That old chestnut again. So when you accused me of judging Fabri and Rico after 2 and 1 games respectively you must have assumed I don't watch champions league?
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: twang on September 07, 2018, 09:02:49 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 08:16:49 AM
Statistically, Bettinelli has worse distribution success rate than Fabri, and a worse successful save rate over the 2 games. Not opinion, fact.

And here's another fact: We are yet to lose with Bettinelli in goal this seaon, whereas we've only lost with Fabri in goal.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Jamie88 on September 07, 2018, 09:16:14 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 08:16:49 AM
Statistically, Bettinelli has worse distribution success rate than Fabri, and a worse successful save rate over the 2 games. Not opinion, fact.

Here's another fact - We have only lost 4 league matches (including 2 play-off matches) in Betts' last 43 appearances in goal for us - Reading in the Play-offs, Sunderland away, Birmingham away and Derby in the Play-offs. We also haven't lost a home league match with him in goal since the 2015-16 season v Nottm Forest
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: HanseatUK on September 07, 2018, 11:05:59 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on September 07, 2018, 09:16:14 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 08:16:49 AM
Statistically, Bettinelli has worse distribution success rate than Fabri, and a worse successful save rate over the 2 games. Not opinion, fact.

Here's another fact - We have only lost 4 league matches (including 2 play-off matches) in Betts' last 43 appearances in goal for us - Reading in the Play-offs, Sunderland away, Birmingham away and Derby in the Play-offs. We also haven't lost a home league match with him in goal since the 2015-16 season v Nottm Forest


Wow, that home record is impressive! Was not aware of that.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: Jamie88 on September 07, 2018, 09:16:14 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 08:16:49 AM
Statistically, Bettinelli has worse distribution success rate than Fabri, and a worse successful save rate over the 2 games. Not opinion, fact.

Here's another fact - We have only lost 4 league matches (including 2 play-off matches) in Betts' last 43 appearances in goal for us - Reading in the Play-offs, Sunderland away, Birmingham away and Derby in the Play-offs. We also haven't lost a home league match with him in goal since the 2015-16 season v Nottm Forest


That fact relates to the team, not the man himself.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: twang on September 07, 2018, 09:02:49 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 08:16:49 AM
Statistically, Bettinelli has worse distribution success rate than Fabri, and a worse successful save rate over the 2 games. Not opinion, fact.

And here's another fact: We are yet to lose with Bettinelli in goal this seaon, whereas we've only lost with Fabri in goal.

Team fact, not individual.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 01:37:43 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 07, 2018, 08:18:32 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 08:15:36 AM
Quote from: Twig on September 06, 2018, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 06, 2018, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on September 06, 2018, 09:34:07 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 05, 2018, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 05, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Totally deserved. Betts has been our best keeper for a long time and remains our best until I see someone capable of taking over as our number one (and as yet I haven't).

So very pleased for him and as others have reminded us, he's one of our own.

You saw Fabri for 2 games. Rico for 1. Both wouldn't have been brought in if Bettinelli was 100% capable.

You reaallllly hate Betts don't you?! Only time I ever see you post is to big up Fabri and Rico and say Betts is useless!

Please show me where I called him useless?

My opinion is that Fabri and Rico are steps up for Bettinelli, who is a decent keeper, but we can do better.

But you've only seen Fabri twice and Rico once!

I've seen both play at a significantly higher standard in the CL.

That old chestnut again. So when you accused me of judging Fabri and Rico after 2 and 1 games respectively you must have assumed I don't watch champions league?

So you have observed them both play consistently at a much higher level?
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: I Ronic on September 07, 2018, 02:21:31 PM
Does it matter who plays where? Slavs picks the player he feels will do best in any particular game. He now has three keepers who all have their strengths. Several things happen when new players step into the squad. A player whose spot is under pressure can up his game. As Betts has done before. He may want away. Players coming in have to get to grips with possible a new league, country, language and style of play etc.
My heart would like Betts, as one of our own, to keep the shirt. My head wants the best possible player available to us.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: filham on September 07, 2018, 07:17:45 PM
Well doe Betts, hope you are given some game time and a cap quite soon.
This really must give you the edge and make you our no 1 keeper.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Twig on September 08, 2018, 05:45:48 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 01:37:43 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 07, 2018, 08:18:32 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 08:15:36 AM
Quote from: Twig on September 06, 2018, 10:25:02 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 06, 2018, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: Jamie88 on September 06, 2018, 09:34:07 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 05, 2018, 11:23:12 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 05, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
Totally deserved. Betts has been our best keeper for a long time and remains our best until I see someone capable of taking over as our number one (and as yet I haven't).

So very pleased for him and as others have reminded us, he's one of our own.

You saw Fabri for 2 games. Rico for 1. Both wouldn't have been brought in if Bettinelli was 100% capable.

You reaallllly hate Betts don't you?! Only time I ever see you post is to big up Fabri and Rico and say Betts is useless!

Please show me where I called him useless?

My opinion is that Fabri and Rico are steps up for Bettinelli, who is a decent keeper, but we can do better.

But you've only seen Fabri twice and Rico once!

I've seen both play at a significantly higher standard in the CL.

That old chestnut again. So when you accused me of judging Fabri and Rico after 2 and 1 games respectively you must have assumed I don't watch champions league?

So you have observed them both play consistently at a much higher level?

Not consistently no. Several of their Champions League appearances were in games that were not of a higher standard than the prem.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Twig on September 08, 2018, 05:49:25 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 08:16:49 AM
Statistically, Bettinelli has worse distribution success rate than Fabri, and a worse successful save rate over the 2 games. Not opinion, fact.

Would this be Fabri's distribution in just two games? If so I am sure you fully u derstand that the statistical significance of such a small sample is far too low to provide any factual evidence?
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: hovewhite on September 08, 2018, 05:56:26 PM
Great position for Slav to have the chioce.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Vinnieffc on September 08, 2018, 06:33:44 PM
Heres another fact.  Betts speaks English.  Quite important as I know having been an ex defender with a few non English speaking keepers.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Southcoastffc on September 08, 2018, 07:23:59 PM
Statistically, Fulham only lose league games this season if I don't attend.   "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: terryr on September 08, 2018, 11:35:53 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 08:16:49 AM
Statistically, Bettinelli has worse distribution success rate than Fabri, and a worse successful save rate over the 2 games. Not opinion, fact.
Ahh but how many penalties have each saved?
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: hovewhite on September 09, 2018, 09:01:34 AM
Considering Betts is out of contract next summer can see him not extending now and seeing how many games he plays and I can't fault him if that happens.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Fernhurst on September 09, 2018, 09:33:51 AM
Seemed to be enjoying his inclusion in the squad.
Does the letter he receives informing him of his selection include the sentence "bring your own sandwiches"? 
Only spotted him once behind his manager, chomping on some food like there was no tomorrow.
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: Holders on September 09, 2018, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: TerryR on September 08, 2018, 11:35:53 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on September 07, 2018, 08:16:49 AM
Statistically, Bettinelli has worse distribution success rate than Fabri, and a worse successful save rate over the 2 games. Not opinion, fact.
Ahh but how many penalties have each saved?

Ahh, but which of the others have let more penalties in?
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: bucksfulham on September 09, 2018, 01:39:56 PM
Quote from: hovewhite on September 09, 2018, 09:01:34 AM
Considering Betts is out of contract next summer can see him not extending now and seeing how many games he plays and I can't fault him if that happens.
According to Transfermarkt he's contracted until 2020

https://www.transfermarkt.com/marcus-bettinelli/profil/spieler/116648
Title: Re: Betts gets England cap
Post by: HanseatUK on September 09, 2018, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: bucksfulham on September 09, 2018, 01:39:56 PM
Quote from: hovewhite on September 09, 2018, 09:01:34 AM
Considering Betts is out of contract next summer can see him not extending now and seeing how many games he plays and I can't fault him if that happens.
According to Transfermarkt he's contracted until 2020

https://www.transfermarkt.com/marcus-bettinelli/profil/spieler/116648

and with club option of a further year.
According to some media reports, Fulham is keen to hand out a new contract to him.