Should he be a starter? He's got moments of brilliance in which he scores wondergoals and probably has best crossing ability in the squad(Sess and Bryan are the only ones who are arguable). On the other hand, he is very slow and doesn't always help the defense. What is your opinion?
Not for me. Yes he pops up with the odd beauty, but that pretty much all he offers. Problem is now that ak has been dropped, he is really the only option. Although some might say vietto. What we really need is some clever scientist to splice the genes of schurrle and vietto together to make a super player.
There was a lot of "wheres the haters now?!" Ballocks aftee he scored today but really, what else does he do other than crop up with the odd wonder goal?
<<What else does he do other than crop up with the odd wonder goal?>>
Reminds me of Life of Brian. "Apart from scoring six goals in twenty games (and not playing 90 minutes for most of them) - what has Schurrle ever done for us?"
Like many of our players, what starts as legitimate criticism soon becomes excessive and unjustified. He could work harder in defence. He could improve his tackling. But all players have aspects of their game they need to work on. Take two of our best - Ryan's finishing this season has been atrocious; Mitro has spurned some good chances and could improve his mobility and stamina. But we rightly keep them in the team for what they do well, and no one castigates Ryan for his missed chances and suggests he is a bad player. Given where we are, I would put Schurrle in the first eleven from now on, simply because we need something different (in the form of wonder goals) if we are (improbably) to gather enough points in the remaining 16 games to stay up.
I would be happy if some of our other players contributed the occasional wonder goal.
He's not that slow, his problem is that he has no stamina, so doesn't have the engine to get up and down and do the defensive work necessary (and even then he's completely gassed after 50/60 minutes.
I think he is the archetypal luxury player, but we don't have a side/system that can currently cover for his deficiencies.
Has Schurrie ever played a full 90 mins ?
I actually think he gets more criticism than he should, we are Fulham Football Club, not Real Madrid... perspective people. He is a World Cup Winner, won the League with Chelsea - I'd say we are lucky to have him. He's our second top scorer behind Mitro and he's played a lot less minutes!
Get behind the team or you will get your wish and he won't be here next season, as we will be in the Championship and he will be back in the German top flight!
Quote from: BernieBoy on January 13, 2019, 06:32:29 AM
I actually think he gets more criticism than he should, we are Fulham Football Club, not Real Madrid... perspective people. He is a World Cup Winner, won the League with Chelsea - I'd say we are lucky to have him. He's our second top scorer behind Mitro and he's played a lot less minutes!
Get behind the team or you will get your wish and he won't be here next season, as we will be in the Championship and he will be back in the German top flight!
He is a winger/forward - in most teams the defensive work they have to do is limited but with us he is required to do more defending than he is attacking.
That is why I feel if we got in new wing backs that were wing backs they would provide the level of defensive cover needed to leave our forwards to do their jobs.
Unfortunately for Schurle and the rest of the new players, they were not here last season so everything sees them as the issue
schurle is what he has always been. a player that is gifted and drifts in and out of games. i thought he did ok yesterday and woked hard, er has to decide is he sticking with him or not. on key to survival would be a settled team. we are no more settled now that before.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 13, 2019, 01:25:30 AM
Has Schurrie ever played a full 90 mins ?
When he was younger, a lot younger!
I think he tries he hardest and has real quality but he is very slow. Kebano looked decent when he came on.
He put a decent shift in yesterday.
It's very easy to find scapegoats when teams are not playing well together as a unit, and, however you do it, it really doesn't prove to be a way forward. Yesterday 'we scored' three goals without a reply on target from our opponents and yet we lost the game. Schurrle played as he has done all season trying to be whatever it is the 'gaffer' wants him to be in this side. He is not alone in struggling at times and I agree that describing him as a 'luxury' in this particular side is not unfair. The problem is that the 'gaffer' still doesn't know his best side, his best formation or his best options, and that remains the conundrum of the whole season because we have 'best fit players' rather than 'ideal type of' players in far too many positions for comfort. Ranieri alone is not the answer, and perhaps alongside better players we also need to strengthen coaching options, especially defensively where the players just do not look well drilled.
And the outcome of that conundrum is our best fit side is nowhere near good enough to stay in this league. It wasn't at the start of the season, and it isn't going to be unless and until we sign 'ideal type of' players to the key positions that have been lacking for the duration. Recruitment is the problem as it has been since the Khans arrived. That they can hit just one window wonderfully well out of umpteen attempts just isn't good enough, IMO. One player could make all the difference to this side if chosen wisely, and two or three similar signings would start to have us believing in miracles again.
A better right wing back would make a massive difference to how good every player on the field is looking, especially Schullre. I like Cyrus Christie, but he is only an EPL second Xi player.
I said it on another thread but I am going to say it again.
That goal yesterday was pure class and will probably end up as our goal of the season.
Three times this season he has scored the opening goal away from home. Two of them were of the highest quality and the third required vision and a cool head . This guy has class. Whilst I realise that 'if' is probably the biggest word in football- but if our team could have held on to those leads we would now be 8 points better off and in a decent position. Given that two of the games were against Cardiff and Burnley then the impact of these 'wins ' would be very dramatic.
Good player in the wrong team which is sad
Two players scored own goals yesterday, our defence is the leakiest I think I've ever seen it and we have players we've paid £30 million sitting on the bench, not giving their all and you single out the player who scored for us and who has scored multiple goals for us this season (in a relegation threatened side where it's even more important) and can create something out of nothing and has class to find that extra yard and you single him out for criticism?
Beggars belief some on this board. I simply don't get it. I appreciate you may get frustrated because you think he could offer more because he's clearly talented, but out of what we've got singling him out at times like this seems extremely odd... especially as he's producing goods and is on a two year loan deal.
Quote from: HV71 on January 13, 2019, 08:17:38 PM
Three times this season he has scored the opening goal away from home. Two of them were of the highest quality and the third required vision and a cool head . This guy has class. Whilst I realise that 'if' is probably the biggest word in football- but if our team could have held on to those leads we would now be 8 points better off and in a decent position. Given that two of the games were against Cardiff and Burnley then the impact of these 'wins ' would be very dramatic.
Good player in the wrong team which is sad
Well said.
Quote from: General on January 13, 2019, 08:21:41 PM
Two players scored own goals yesterday, our defence is the leakiest I think I've ever seen it and we have players we've paid £30 million sitting on the bench, not giving their all and you single out the player who scored for us and who has scored multiple goals for us this season (in a relegation threatened side where it's even more important) and can create something out of nothing and has class to find that extra yard and you single him out for criticism?
Beggars belief some on this board. I simply don't get it. I appreciate you may get frustrated because you think he could offer more because he's clearly talented, but out of what we've got singling him out at times like this seems extremely odd... especially as he's producing goods and is on a two year loan deal.
Agree
Quote from: HV71 on January 13, 2019, 08:17:38 PM
Three times this season he has scored the opening goal away from home. Two of them were of the highest quality and the third required vision and a cool head . This guy has class. Whilst I realise that 'if' is probably the biggest word in football- but if our team could have held on to those leads we would now be 8 points better off and in a decent position. Given that two of the games were against Cardiff and Burnley then the impact of these 'wins ' would be very dramatic.
Good player in the wrong team which is sad
Very well said
Quote from: General on January 13, 2019, 08:21:41 PM
Two players scored own goals yesterday, our defence is the leakiest I think I've ever seen it and we have players we've paid £30 million sitting on the bench, not giving their all and you single out the player who scored for us and who has scored multiple goals for us this season (in a relegation threatened side where it's even more important) and can create something out of nothing and has class to find that extra yard and you single him out for criticism?
Beggars belief some on this board. I simply don't get it. I appreciate you may get frustrated because you think he could offer more because he's clearly talented, but out of what we've got singling him out at times like this seems extremely odd... especially as he's producing goods and is on a two year loan deal.
This is because there are many who are stuck in Slav time, or traditional hard-nosed Championship wingers. Anyone who doesn't perform like that template is considered a luxury player. In a world where we need someone who will take shots, and actually have those go in, yeah...I'll take Schurrle. Not to mention he and Mitro are completely in-sync, look at the Arsenal match as a good example.
I personally wasn't even a fan of Schurrle's at anytime, but for some reason I always feel like I have to defend him out of purely fighting the illogical statements made against him.
Feel some fans must be fairweather.. anyone who remembers even as far back as Lawrie sanchez let alone watching the team in old league two (that's as far back as my association goes sadly), Will appreciate the quality of players we have and the significance of a player who can create something out of nothing but also be bothered enough to at least contribute something. No player or person for that matter is perfect.. finding faults is easy, anyone can do that.. but fixing them is hard. Schurrle's the least of our problems though.
Schurrie is capable of winning games for us, but not capable of saving them.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 14, 2019, 03:06:34 AM
Schurrie is capable of winning games for us, but not capable of saving them.
A man needing convincing remains unconvinced.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 14, 2019, 03:06:34 AM
Schurrie is capable of winning games for us, but not capable of saving them.
when is he going to show us thatvhe is capable of winmg games for us, becauae we have only won 3 all season, and he has played in the majority of them
Quote from: Matt10 on January 14, 2019, 04:23:34 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 14, 2019, 03:06:34 AM
Schurrie is capable of winning games for us, but not capable of saving them.
A man needing convincing remains unconvinced.
If the team were convincing then we would all be convinced..... sadly we are mostly convinced it isn't convincing.
Quote from: Matt10 on January 13, 2019, 11:35:32 PM
Quote from: General on January 13, 2019, 08:21:41 PM
Two players scored own goals yesterday, our defence is the leakiest I think I've ever seen it and we have players we've paid £30 million sitting on the bench, not giving their all and you single out the player who scored for us and who has scored multiple goals for us this season (in a relegation threatened side where it's even more important) and can create something out of nothing and has class to find that extra yard and you single him out for criticism?
Beggars belief some on this board. I simply don't get it. I appreciate you may get frustrated because you think he could offer more because he's clearly talented, but out of what we've got singling him out at times like this seems extremely odd... especially as he's producing goods and is on a two year loan deal.
This is because there are many who are stuck in Slav time, or traditional hard-nosed Championship wingers. Anyone who doesn't perform like that template is considered a luxury player. In a world where we need someone who will take shots, and actually have those go in, yeah...I'll take Schurrle. Not to mention he and Mitro are completely in-sync, look at the Arsenal match as a good example.
I personally wasn't even a fan of Schurrle's at anytime, but for some reason I always feel like I have to defend him out of purely fighting the illogical statements made against him.
The main critisism I've seem against Schurrle is that his defensive abilities are poor and I don't think that could be described as illogical statements. He's obviously not a poor footballer but I'm not convinced he the best choice in a relegation fight with a leaking defense.
Quote from: fulhamben on January 14, 2019, 08:23:49 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 14, 2019, 03:06:34 AM
Schurrie is capable of winning games for us, but not capable of saving them.
when is he going to show us thatvhe is capable of winmg games for us, becauae we have only won 3 all season, and he has played in the majority of them
How many goals has he scored, he was the only one on the scoresheet on Saturday
Quote from: alfie on January 14, 2019, 09:10:37 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 14, 2019, 08:23:49 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 14, 2019, 03:06:34 AM
Schurrie is capable of winning games for us, but not capable of saving them.
when is he going to show us thatvhe is capable of winmg games for us, becauae we have only won 3 all season, and he has played in the majority of them
How many goals has he scored, he was the only one on the scoresheet on Saturday
he has scored 6. And we lost on Saturday
Quote from: fulhamben on January 14, 2019, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: alfie on January 14, 2019, 09:10:37 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 14, 2019, 08:23:49 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 14, 2019, 03:06:34 AM
Schurrie is capable of winning games for us, but not capable of saving them.
when is he going to show us thatvhe is capable of winmg games for us, becauae we have only won 3 all season, and he has played in the majority of them
How many goals has he scored, he was the only one on the scoresheet on Saturday
he has scored 6. And we lost on Saturday
Ben, I know you dont like him, but I'm not sure Schurlle is the issue. Without his goals we would be in even worse trouble.
Maybe it would be easier if we went to 532/352 and allowed himk to stay up top with Mitro.
the crossing on our right and ablity to stop it was more down to Christie and odoi in my books. Given we play with pretty much 3 wide up top.
Quote from: fulhamben on January 14, 2019, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: alfie on January 14, 2019, 09:10:37 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 14, 2019, 08:23:49 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 14, 2019, 03:06:34 AM
Schurrie is capable of winning games for us, but not capable of saving them.
when is he going to show us thatvhe is capable of winmg games for us, becauae we have only won 3 all season, and he has played in the majority of them
How many goals has he scored, he was the only one on the scoresheet on Saturday
he has scored 6. And we lost on Saturday
Oh ok so clearly he was the reason we lost, get it now
Quote from: alfie on January 14, 2019, 12:34:14 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 14, 2019, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: alfie on January 14, 2019, 09:10:37 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 14, 2019, 08:23:49 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 14, 2019, 03:06:34 AM
Schurrie is capable of winning games for us, but not capable of saving them.
when is he going to show us thatvhe is capable of winmg games for us, becauae we have only won 3 all season, and he has played in the majority of them
How many goals has he scored, he was the only one on the scoresheet on Saturday
he has scored 6. And we lost on Saturday
Oh ok so clearly he was the reason we lost, get it now
nope, but clearly he didn't help us win either
Quote from: MJG on January 14, 2019, 11:02:11 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 14, 2019, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: alfie on January 14, 2019, 09:10:37 AM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 14, 2019, 08:23:49 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 14, 2019, 03:06:34 AM
Schurrie is capable of winning games for us, but not capable of saving them.
when is he going to show us thatvhe is capable of winmg games for us, becauae we have only won 3 all season, and he has played in the majority of them
How many goals has he scored, he was the only one on the scoresheet on Saturday
he has scored 6. And we lost on Saturday
Ben, I know you dont like him, but I'm not sure Schurlle is the issue. Without his goals we would be in even worse trouble.
Maybe it would be easier if we went to 532/352 and allowed himk to stay up top with Mitro.
the crossing on our right and ablity to stop it was more down to Christie and odoi in my books. Given we play with pretty much 3 wide up top.
you can say without his goals we would have been in worse trouble but there is no proof for that, because for all you know his replacement could have gone on to score goals himself, with assists and had motm performances. Before Burnley away, all I can say is we have looked far better when he has been replaced with either ak or sess.
