Poll
Question:
Ranieri out?
Option 1: Ranieri out
votes: 220
Option 2: Keep Ranieri
votes: 41
Utterly embarrassing non performance. United in 2nd gear treating it like a training match ... manager has lost the team and the fans (you don't know what you're doing chant for example) ... time to plan for next season under someone who will be in charge.
I can't argue with this statement; Ranieri has lost it
Hard not to agree. CR has been awful. Also he's alienating our best players. They'll want to be off asap.
After today he's The Stinkerman.
United have been really average, apart from these two good goals. We should have done better, but did nothing in the second half.
Agree, he has to go
Team 2-0 down at HT.
You'd think they would have gone on the front foot second half....Utter Tosh.
Even the best manager in the world would have serious trouble with our defence.
MLM, Odoi, Ream, Bryan. PL quality???
Yep he has to go, and hopefully Tony is sacking him as we speak
Poor poor tactics
He should go but I think the Club will wait till the end of the season & then appoint a new man with a 2 year plan to return.
Regroup end of the season
Quote from: fulhamben on February 09, 2019, 02:23:38 PM
Yep he has to go, and hopefully Tony is sacking him as we speak
Ranieri should have got a decent transfer window.
They cant afford sacking him.
Quote from: fulhamben on February 09, 2019, 02:23:38 PM
Yep he has to go, and hopefully Tony is sacking him as we speak
Yes but Who is sacking Tony ?
Ok.
We dont have enough quality defenders.......but Raineri has lost it.
I was behind him when he was appointed but its time to cut him loose.
Do a Monaco!
Hopefully a good clear out, manager coaches, back room staff and players.Get someone in who knows the Championship and who can build their own team of permanent players not loan players like last year.Too many changes this year with players who are really not fit for purpose.
2-0 down then switch to 5 at the back, unbelievable
Has he gone yet,good mind to sue him for my train fares..😣
Agree, he has to go.
Literally nothing he does makes sense. Was a poor appointment.
In the remotest chance the club is to survive we need to change him now
I really don't get the point of appointing Ranieri from the start was if the club wasn't going to support him in January. Why not just stick with Slav then and let him do his best for the remainder of the season and then have a solid foundation next season?
As I've said before, the January window was the worst possible for us as we neither gave fighting relegation a real go nor planned for the future. Just short term 'solutions' that won't make any difference. Complete lack of vision by the men in charge and as a result the league's most directionless club...
All season we have been a soft touch, we are so easy to play against.
No physicality in the team, especially in defence.
Yes we were playing against top class opponents.
But The players are playing with fear and afraid to make an error.
What annoys me about CK, is that leaving Sess and Tom out, yet include Schurrie and to a lesser extent Vietto, does not make sense.
A manager is only as good as the players he has under him, and this team is worse than the team that went down with madman Magath.
I suppose if they are going to make another change of Manager, they had better do it before the next game.
But I think it's far too late now.
The real culprits are TK and the crack recruitment outfit.
They have really shafted us this time round, but you reap what you sow, and the club is suffering because of their incompetence and negligence and inefficiency.
Quote from: twang on February 09, 2019, 02:38:47 PM
I really don't get the point of appointing Ranieri from the start was if the club wasn't going to support him in January. Why not just stick with Slav then and let him do his best for the remainder of the season and then have a solid foundation next season?
As I've said before, the January window was the worst possible for us as we neither gave fighting relegation a real go nor planned for the future. Just short term 'solutions' that won't make any difference. Complete lack of vision by the men in charge and as a result the league's most directionless club...
Exactly
Quote from: Southdowns White on February 09, 2019, 02:32:21 PM
Hopefully a good clear out, manager coaches, back room staff and players.Get someone in who knows the Championship and who can build their own team of permanent players not loan players like last year.Too many changes this year with players who are really not fit for purpose.
Oh, you mean Slav?
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Time to be rational & positive - that was as unacceptable as the Palace match. Ranieri hasn't got a scooby both team selection, tactics & motivation. Just put Parker in charge temporarily & time to re-group. OK the season has gone - but a change now could give rise to some positive performances, as per the 2nd half v Brighton. Reverting back to the poor 1st half tactics v Brighton when we were 2-down today isn't laughable, isn't incompetent - it is dreadful & action needs to be taken ... now.
I wonder it occurred to him that when we lost 4-1 up there,that Odoi was right back that day...Doh
Quote from: Hoppus on February 09, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
Even the best manager in the world would have serious trouble with our defence.
MLM, Odoi, Ream, Bryan. PL quality???
Yep... people are talking about the man who won the Premier League with Leceister. The problem is our squad of players... they don't fit together well.
Reactions to substitutions
"No, I change the system and Schurrle because I have some problem. I wanted two strikers with Mitrovic and Vietto in front and Babel behind and find a solution. "
Ryan Sessegnon not playing
"He's not in the best fitness or form. It's the first time he's been in the PL and it's not possible for him."
Ok...........
Quote from: twang on February 09, 2019, 02:38:47 PM
I really don't get the point of appointing Ranieri from the start was if the club wasn't going to support him in January. Why not just stick with Slav then and let him do his best for the remainder of the season and then have a solid foundation next season?
As I've said before, the January window was the worst possible for us as we neither gave fighting relegation a real go nor planned for the future. Just short term 'solutions' that won't make any difference. Complete lack of vision by the men in charge and as a result the league's most directionless club...
Exactly right, spot on, why change the manager if you're not able/willing/wanting to change the players that are also part of the cause? Makes no sense, and now we have a manager who has little to no real fizzy league experience, a squad from which we will lose the best when we go down, and a lost opportunity to start a rebuild that will bounce us back soonest.
The realization that we failed to create a Prem quality base to the squad prior to our promotion last season has bitten us badly and we now pay that unfortunate price.
I rarely, if ever, complain about our manager, but today, and as we have seen before, our subbing tactics were dreadful, and it makes the team look and act like a gaggle of geese with no firm direction or leader to change tings.
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on February 09, 2019, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: Hoppus on February 09, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
Even the best manager in the world would have serious trouble with our defence.
MLM, Odoi, Ream, Bryan. PL quality???
Yep... people are talking about the man who won the Premier League with Leceister. The problem is our squad of players... they don't fit together well.
Lots of managers win things,he'd lost the plot at Leicester long before he was sacked,then finished half way up French league with Nantes...Crewe could finish halfway up that league,they only have 4 teams any good.
He don't seem to know what he is doing. Angers me that we hired a clown. Our club is run like a joke and at this stage we have to look also at the Khan's an their choice of business doings. This isn't American football and slightly more complex than selling car parts ffs!
Clownio
No risk appointment didn't TK say?!
To make matters worse the train is full of feckin Manure fans making their way back to their Homelands of Norfolk, Suffolk,Kings Lynn most of them...
Right whose up for a scrap,must be a little one somewhere.. lol
Claudio can go back to Italy in time for brexit ! Coming over here stealing our jobs!
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on February 09, 2019, 03:09:57 PM
No risk appointment didn't TK say?!
I guess if TKs mindset was that, under Slav, then we were already down and he was incapable of turning that around, then there is little to no risk replacing him. Unfortunately that is solely restricted to the relegation issue, and ignores the issue of rebuilding in the fizzy league.
He leaves out players like cairney and sess because they aren't aggressive enough and replaces them with vietto and schurrle . Schurrle's kit looked cleaner than the start of the game when he went off . If he thinks he is too good and wants to leave at the end of season , I'm free this week i can drive him to the airport and i won't even ask for the petrol money.
Ranieri , trying to be clever isn't working. The reason the brighton came turned round was cairney getting on the ball and actually passing to a player in a white shirt . He made himself available for seri so he could pass first time and not get caught because he has no one to pass to. The passes into Mitro were then from 15 or 20 yards so he could actually get on the ball and not launched from 70 yards away.
Ranieri i think your time is up .
Not starting with the team that smashed Brighton second half the next game should have prepared us for today's fiasco. To be fair, not many managers could polish this turd but the players don't look like a team, there is no obvious togetherness and that's a Manager problem.
Manager number three is needed.
Quote from: ffcthereligion on February 09, 2019, 02:17:57 PM
ITIE OUT
Nothing like a bit of bigotry to add a touch of class to the debate
Clownio never knows his best 11. Choosing Ryan Babel over Sess and not playing TC when they are both match fit is a joke. Thinking Babel can do a better job defensive or attacking is also a joke in my opinion. When we are playing in the Championship next season we will have to thank the Khans for their business doings (especially that p**** of a son) around transfers and appointment of Clownio. What a poo storm!
Quote from: sarvenpa on February 09, 2019, 02:59:15 PM
Reactions to substitutions
"No, I change the system and Schurrle because I have some problem. I wanted two strikers with Mitrovic and Vietto in front and Babel behind and find a solution. "
Ryan Sessegnon not playing
"He's not in the best fitness or form. It's the first time he's been in the PL and it's not possible for him."
Ok...........
Claudio needs to go if for no other reason than his treatment of Ryan. Get him out of the club now.
Said on the matchday thread that he might as well go now because we're essentially down. Do a Manaco and get a Joka back and we'll have a chance of bouncing back, or get in someone who knows the championship and will do well next season. Might as well prep now as it's going to take a monumental miracle to save us, Wagner is also a good fit and he's out of a job. I don't like seeing 3 managers in a season but at this point we might as well give a new manager a few months to bed in now rather than a summer of uncertainty
Quote from: fulhamben on February 09, 2019, 02:23:38 PM
Yep he has to go, and hopefully Tony is sacking him as we speak
leaving our two best players on the bench and in case you are in doubt i am refering to TC and sess
plus taking off world cup winning schurl for a player that would struggle to make it in the conference when we need a goal was insane
the manager is useless.
Quote from: Hoppus on February 09, 2019, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on February 09, 2019, 02:23:38 PM
Yep he has to go, and hopefully Tony is sacking him as we speak
Ranieri should have got a decent transfer window.
They cant afford sacking him.
of course they can..we are much worse now that he has settled in
best two on the bench and when we need a goal he brings on the ever hopeless christie.
7 people voting to keep him, a few defending him. you have to imagine these people are not supporters but have a vested interest in the PR of the club. nobody can defend what he is doing.
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on February 09, 2019, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: Hoppus on February 09, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
Even the best manager in the world would have serious trouble with our defence.
MLM, Odoi, Ream, Bryan. PL quality???
Yep... people are talking about the man who won the Premier League with Leceister. The problem is our squad of players... they don't fit together well.
Raineri is a dinosaur. He has one way of playing (a dated way of playing) and is trying to force fit a squad that is ill fitted to his approach. He has shown no ability to adapt and get the best out of his players.
He has alienated some of our best players, lost the supporters and the dressing room.
We may not have the best defenders but they are better than this. Confidence is shot. Roy would have drilled the whole team into a rigid shape making us very difficult to break down. Slav had his problems but showed against Liverpool that he had the potential to turn things around. Raineri has shown absolutely nothing.
Said all along it was a bad choice, let alone time to out Joka.... Now in a worse position than with Joka.
At least if relegated you would fancy your chances of bouncing back with Joka.
Deluded idiots that still think we can stay up.... Cue the "what did you expect it was man Utd"
I expected nothing, same as with Chelsea, City and Liverpool....
Absolutely no chance of staying up with this squad and Ranieri... Well done to those that wanted Joka out.
Well you got what you wished for.... Plus an extra couple of injured transfers.
I voted for him to go now but I think he will stay till the end of this dismal season. What I want is for a new manager who has the nous to get us back in 2 years to be approached now & be in place the day after the season ends. This will give him plenty of time to do his own scouting & have his players in place right at the start of the summer window. Drastic times mean drastic measures.
Quote from: Andyb on February 09, 2019, 02:35:22 PM
2-0 down then switch to 5 at the back, unbelievable
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He has given up on full clean sheets and is now targeting 45 minute clean sheets.
Ranieri is frighteningly awful, like the two idiots who hired him. He has no tactical awareness, does not know what he wants from the side (apart from to save his bacon) and shows it in team selection, lack of organisation, and substitutions. He seems to be trying to wean us off Cairney and Sessegnon (under instructions?) because maybe they are due to be sold off in the summer regardless. He says, afterwards, once we conceded we lost composure and so what was it that Vietto had none of with that early chance? We lack quality and composure and yet he has already said the squad is good enough and so that excuse can be thrown out. What is his excuse then? Is it because other teams managers are just a lot better than him?
Initially, in the first ten minutes or so, I did spy some joined up thinking between players which I was a little shocked by I have to say, but it must have been pure coincidence because it disappeared very quickly. Mistakes came thick and fast as players forgot they were at a live football game and instead thought they'd have umpteen chances to rectify as the training session went on. I couldn't even blame the referee (who was a joke) because he had absolutely no bearing on Rico failing to cover his near post for the first goal, nor the carving open of the whole defence for the second.
Almost all our players were reduced to rabbits in headlights at several points in that game with only Odoi and Mitrovic managing to show that there was a purpose of them being there for ninety minutes. Ranieri should never have figured in Fulham's plans in a million years and the jokers who applauded Jokanovic's demise should be thoroughly ashamed and sick of themselves at feeling better about him being in charge.
The man is a liability.
Quote from: grandad on February 09, 2019, 03:57:56 PM
I voted for him to go now but I think he will stay till the end of this dismal season. What I want is for a new manager who has the nous to get us back in 2 years to be approached now & be in place the day after the season ends. This will give him plenty of time to do his own scouting & have his players in place right at the start of the summer window. Drastic times mean drastic measures.
I agree with you but you don't seem to understand that requires actually having some football knowledge and sense which is against Khan's business model.
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on February 09, 2019, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: Hoppus on February 09, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
Even the best manager in the world would have serious trouble with our defence.
MLM, Odoi, Ream, Bryan. PL quality???
Yep... people are talking about the man who won the Premier League with Leceister. The problem is our squad of players... they don't fit together well.
Ranieri took lots of credit because within football he is perceived as a nice bloke and in the media he is entertaining. Nigel Pearson built the winning team and the coaches set the tone. To use your jigsaw analogy he inherited a very well put together one but don't forget he very quickly dropped a few of the pieces and then was gone. Our jigsaw puzzle has been impossible to put together all season and I surmise when he took the job he thought, despite what he said about his player portfolio's, he would get his leader and defenders in. It's not his fault they did not materialise but for the second time this season there are fractures in the camp and we are talking about management "losing the players". I had a text about an hour ago saying the atmosphere was toxic and heading towards the Magath levels. I hope Khan Snr is prepared to go for rebuild No.4 but I doubt he has learned a thing such is his misty eyed view of how things get done.
I am sliding into the Ranieri out camp, not that I applauded his appointment anyway.
Quote from: nose on February 09, 2019, 03:49:29 PM
7 people voting to keep him, a few defending him. you have to imagine these people are not supporters but have a vested interest in the PR of the club. nobody can defend what he is doing.
Actually it's only 6 people who have voted.
I have a confession to make, I accidentally pressed the wrong button because my thumb is too big for my mobile.
Please forgive me.
Unfortunately, I said after the Brighton game that was the wo RST possible result as it legitimised the tenure of CR. As a lifelong fan that hurt me and it wasn't said lightly. Some BV people gave me loads, but it was a genuine opinion then that hadn't changed. The scarry thing is the long term he's doing with the younger players that were gonna lose :wow:
Quote from: Neil D on February 09, 2019, 03:27:36 PM
Quote from: ffcthereligion on February 09, 2019, 02:17:57 PM
ITIE OUT
Nothing like a bit of bigotry to add a touch of class to the debate
Agreed, why hasnt this been deleted?
A fair few 'bring back Joka' mentions across the piece, predictable I suppose, but back at the time of his demise were we not equally abysmal, were the threads not full of words like disgrace, woeful, and pathetic and most importantly were there not rumblings of discontent from the changing rooms and Motspur Park?
A couple of his coaching team left early in the season along with Stuart Gray virtually pre season so it was not like we made the usual wholesale changes that usually accompany the frontmans demise so it would seem the changes were focussed on JOka himself. Anyway that's all history now. Should we not move on........ again.
it was fantastic 45 mins against brighton and i think everyone hoped it was a turning point . its not been because the manager won't play cairney who clearly changed the pattern of that match by passing to his own players. At half time in that game ,sitting there soaking wet , freezing cold, i really hoped ranieri had resigned. it was woeful.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on February 09, 2019, 03:32:55 PM
Quote from: sarvenpa on February 09, 2019, 02:59:15 PM
Reactions to substitutions
"No, I change the system and Schurrle because I have some problem. I wanted two strikers with Mitrovic and Vietto in front and Babel behind and find a solution. "
Ryan Sessegnon not playing
"He's not in the best fitness or form. It's the first time he's been in the PL and it's not possible for him."
Ok...........
Claudio needs to go if for no other reason than his treatment of Ryan. Get him out of the club now.
Agree. That comment highlighted bold above is substantially more deluded and damaging than anything Magath said about cheese. Get Kamara back from Turkey to slap some sense into this clown.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on February 09, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on February 09, 2019, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: Hoppus on February 09, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
Even the best manager in the world would have serious trouble with our defence.
MLM, Odoi, Ream, Bryan. PL quality???
Yep... people are talking about the man who won the Premier League with Leceister. The problem is our squad of players... they don't fit together well.
Ranieri took lots of credit because within football he is perceived as a nice bloke and in the media he is entertaining. Nigel Pearson built the winning team and the coaches set the tone. To use your jigsaw analogy he inherited a very well put together one but don't forget he very quickly dropped a few of the pieces and then was gone. Our jigsaw puzzle has been impossible to put together all season and I surmise when he took the job he thought, despite what he said about his player portfolio's, he would get his leader and defenders in. It's not his fault they did not materialise but for the second time this season there are fractures in the camp and we are talking about management "losing the players". I had a text about an hour ago saying the atmosphere was toxic and heading towards the Magath levels. I hope Khan Snr is prepared to go for rebuild No.4 but I doubt he has learned a thing such is his misty eyed view of how things get done.
I am sliding into the Ranieri out camp, not that I applauded his appointment anyway.
I concede Pearson's regime brought in the players, but it was Rainieri who put the pieces in place to win the league. It was Rainieri who saw it through.
Quote from: Andyb on February 09, 2019, 02:35:22 PM
2-0 down then switch to 5 at the back, unbelievable
I was astonished at this. It is not even if he brought on a player who can score, he didn't. This is without doubt the most stupid decisionI have ever seen a manager make.
Dreadful, wrong starting 11 and really got the subs wrong. He has to go so we can start building for the Champ. He got the job with a dossier that said it wasn't the players it was the coaching and management, I think the Khans have said go on show us because they now know their lack of football knowledge made them believe Ranieri's clap trap. The squad is really poor and if he had said that we would still have SJ.
Hopefully senior Khan handles him exactly as he did Slav. Tell the fans Claudio has his full support...yet behind the scenes is already ready to bring in next seasons manager.
A lot of the players aren't good enough for this league...and I'd argue that Sess and Cairney don't fall into that category...yet this manager either doesn't play them.,.or plays them out of position.
Raineri is a dinosaur. He has one way of playing (a dated way of playing) and is trying to force fit a squad that is ill fitted to his approach. He has shown no ability to adapt and get the best out of his players.
He has alienated some of our best players, lost the supporters and the dressing room.
We may not have the best defenders but they are better than this. Confidence is shot. Roy would have drilled the whole team into a rigid shape making us very difficult to break down. Slav had his problems but showed against Liverpool that he had the potential to turn things around. Raineri has shown absolutely nothing.
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The squad is certainly ill-fitted to Ranieri's approach, however I would point out that in the first third of the season they looked equally ill-fitted to Joka's methods and tactics. It's a badly put-together squad and I think it would struggle no matter who was in charge or whatever the tactics.
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on February 09, 2019, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on February 09, 2019, 04:14:21 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on February 09, 2019, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: Hoppus on February 09, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
Even the best manager in the world would have serious trouble with our defence.
MLM, Odoi, Ream, Bryan. PL quality???
Yep... people are talking about the man who won the Premier League with Leceister. The problem is our squad of players... they don't fit together well.
Ranieri took lots of credit because within football he is perceived as a nice bloke and in the media he is entertaining. Nigel Pearson built the winning team and the coaches set the tone. To use your jigsaw analogy he inherited a very well put together one but don't forget he very quickly dropped a few of the pieces and then was gone. Our jigsaw puzzle has been impossible to put together all season and I surmise when he took the job he thought, despite what he said about his player portfolio's, he would get his leader and defenders in. It's not his fault they did not materialise but for the second time this season there are fractures in the camp and we are talking about management "losing the players". I had a text about an hour ago saying the atmosphere was toxic and heading towards the Magath levels. I hope Khan Snr is prepared to go for rebuild No.4 but I doubt he has learned a thing such is his misty eyed view of how things get done.
I am sliding into the Ranieri out camp, not that I applauded his appointment anyway.
I concede Pearson's regime brought in the players, but it was Rainieri who puts the pieces in place to win the league. It was Rainieri who saw it through.
It would be good to have this debate across a table in the Brickies with a pack of dominoes or chess pieces to set out playing formations and tactics. Alas all we have is my begging to differ. A bit like JOka with Cairney and others last year Ranieri had Kante, Mahrez and Vardy playing the football of their lives. When they outgrew him it became an impossible relationship.
Out but not until the end of the season. Too turbulent now.
Quote from: Tonywa on February 09, 2019, 04:35:40 PM
The squad is certainly ill-fitted to Ranieri's approach, however I would point out that in the first third of the season they looked equally ill-fitted to Joka's methods and tactics. It's a badly put-together squad and I think it would struggle no matter who was in charge or whatever the tactics.
I was going to comment on your post to say exactly this. The squad has been put together by footballing illiterates. Neither fish nor fowl.
This poll should have been conducted weeks ago, little has changed except maybe we are worse now, no fight, no character, no desire, no idea and no chance of beating anybody, just hope we finish above Huddersfield! CR do the graceful thing and resign....NOW!!
Ranieri has 12 points from 14 games, not great, but reasonable for relegation contenders.
Joka had 5 from 12, so there has been a marked improvement.
If Ranieri had that ratio from beginning of season, we would have 22/23, we would not be adrift and just one win away from safety. If Joka had continued with the same game/points ratio we would be on 10/11 points and already relegated.
It's easy to point at the manager, but the players are just not good enough, yet. We have to hope that they can pull some top class performances from the last 12 games, and get some luck.
Quote from: Neil D on February 09, 2019, 04:50:36 PM
Quote from: Tonywa on February 09, 2019, 04:35:40 PM
The squad is certainly ill-fitted to Ranieri's approach, however I would point out that in the first third of the season they looked equally ill-fitted to Joka's methods and tactics. It's a badly put-together squad and I think it would struggle no matter who was in charge or whatever the tactics.
I was going to comment on your post to say exactly this. The squad has been put together by footballing illiterates. Neither fish nor fowl.
We know the squad isn't good enough. I fault Claudio for 4 things.
His handling of Ryan.
His handling of TC
The lack of offensive identity on the pitch
His insist that Seri is a better midfielder than TC
Time for Claudio to go.
Yes...he's a premier league manager that has way more epl experience than Slav had. Yes...with the same set of players Claudio should have better stats than Slav.
So what? It doesn't matter if the team is still going down and the 4 things I brought up still hold true.
Quote from: Neil D on February 09, 2019, 04:50:36 PM
Quote from: Tonywa on February 09, 2019, 04:35:40 PM
The squad is certainly ill-fitted to Ranieri's approach, however I would point out that in the first third of the season they looked equally ill-fitted to Joka's methods and tactics. It's a badly put-together squad and I think it would struggle no matter who was in charge or whatever the tactics.
I was going to comment on your post to say exactly this. The squad has been put together by footballing illiterates. Neither fish nor fowl.
Exactly and it's been compounded by signing injured loans and short term injured contract players, as well as injured Deadwood players from other clubs from over the sea and far away, how can it be possible to form any team spirit. Very few players care. Sess does and is left out.
TK has had his trousers pulled down in the transfer market. Wasting millions, and the agents must be laughing at him all the way to the bank.
I think it would look really stupid if we change managers again, three managers again in one season, we would be dead cert for the drop.
I thought we played well today but just haven't got the quality. Maybe a different manager to the ones we had could have kept us up but it is far to late for another change
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Leicester fan here. Honestly thought he'd have done better than he has. At least now people might be able to see why we got rid of him. I have absolutely no doubt that we would have been relegated had we not sacked him. He just completely lost the plot.
Just can't understand why Cairney and Sessegnon not starting and to cap it all Cardif winning. It just gets worse :Get Coat gif:
We were fragmented, without a coherent plan and with a marked unwillingness to run simple lines that professional footballers know in their sleep. Lukaku and Pogba's monstering of our defenders suggested a total mismatch. When Mitrovic and De Gea got into an altercation, plenty of Man U players turned up to give their goalie some support. Ours were nowhere. And then there were the substitutions
The only thing I enjoyed in the second half was the well deserved bollocking that Bryan delivered to Vietto in front of the JH stand..
This was a dreadful display. Don't be fooled into thinking 3-0 against big team is par for the course. Utterly dire.
We have had 45 minutes of golden football since Christmas and it came from flooding midfield and just going for it. So what does our manager do? Find a dozen different ways to avoid serving up more of that.
Forget building for the future. I've paid for this seasons ticket and I expect better management than that in the games that remain.
He's completely clueless, just want him gone.
Shame that Dean Smith was poached already, would have loved to give him a chance and steal him off Brentford at the same time
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This was his last chance for me. Needed to see if he was going to play to our strengths, but he chose to make some reactionary decisions. He's essentially removed the captaincy from Cairney by not playing him. He's not empowering his players. It's more than tactics now, which is why I can say it'd be best to drop him. It's the belief of the players not of the situation, but whether or not they still believe in their manager. He's very old school and stubborn. I feel like there is a sense in which he feels like he's better than his players - and he makes so clear to them that it's his way...not because it's best for the team...but because he has the most experience and what he says is the law. It's a borderline Mourinho.
Khans need to take a page out of Man U's book and bring in someone that is dearly loved already. Former player or coach, someone who has Fulham ties. Make it less about the philosophy of football diagrams and selection - more so about the cohesion of a good feeling team on the pitch. There is a lot of chemistry between Babel, Mitro and Schurrle, then with Cairney, Seri and Chambers. That must be taken advantage of. Right away.
Amazing,do you all think we have a divine right to stay up.
Player wise today back to front, quality wise we were poo ,sorry to say it we were,no matter who is in charge Claudio or slavisa.
Keep him until the end of the season. No point changing manager again.
Gone if we lose next game according talksport radio,they agree he's lost plot..
Wonder if there's betting on it?
This was dire today. Lack of fight, structure and crazy selection. Schurrle, Vietto and Babel in the same team, so we are over run in midfield through their lack of work rate. Defence were appalling, with so many unenforced errors.
I would sack him now, not pick any of the overseas loan players, Rico aside and plan for next season in the championship with the players who will be here next season and look to rebuild team spirit
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 09, 2019, 06:55:09 PM
Gone if we lose next game according talksport radio,they agree he's lost plot..
Wonder if there's betting on it?
9/1
Tempting! But he won't sack two managers in one season again! Surely..
Quote from: ScalleysDad on February 09, 2019, 04:25:37 PM
A fair few 'bring back Joka' mentions across the piece, predictable I suppose, but back at the time of his demise were we not equally abysmal, were the threads not full of words like disgrace, woeful, and pathetic and most importantly were there not rumblings of discontent from the changing rooms and Motspur Park?
A couple of his coaching team left early in the season along with Stuart Gray virtually pre season so it was not like we made the usual wholesale changes that usually accompany the frontmans demise so it would seem the changes were focussed on JOka himself. Anyway that's all history now. Should we not move on........ again.
I think the Slavisa out call back then was because it was genuinely believed the squad were good enough and so it was a manager problem.
Now I think it's been recognised it's actually the squad that are not good enough and that Slavisa was not the problem.
Now we have an inept squad with an inept manager an inept recruitment team and are going to be relegated.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 09, 2019, 06:55:09 PM
Gone if we lose next game according talksport radio,they agree he's lost plot..
Wonder if there's betting on it?
Odds won't be very good Mince, currently he is 8/1 (4th favourite) to be the next PL manager to be sacked, shorter odds on Everton (13/8), Leicester (4/1) and Chelsea (6/1) managers. Ranieri could be a good bet!
Quote from: Milo on February 09, 2019, 07:01:32 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 09, 2019, 06:55:09 PM
Gone if we lose next game according talksport radio,they agree he's lost plot..
Wonder if there's betting on it?
9/1
Tempting! But he won't sack two managers in one season again! Surely..
I hope we do!!
Quote from: Milo on February 09, 2019, 07:01:32 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 09, 2019, 06:55:09 PM
Gone if we lose next game according talksport radio,they agree he's lost plot..
Wonder if there's betting on it?
9/1
Tempting! But he won't sack two managers in one season again! Surely..
Yup that would be really, really stupid. Ineptitude of the first order showing a complete lack of thought and planning.
I do not gamble but it's worth a bet is'nt it.
Quote from: SG on February 09, 2019, 06:56:31 PM
This was dire today. Lack of fight, structure and crazy selection. Schurrle, Vietto and Babel in the same team, so we are over run in midfield through their lack of work rate. Defence were appalling, with so many unenforced errors.
I would sack him now, not pick any of the overseas loan players, Rico aside and plan for next season in the championship with the players who will be here next season and look to rebuild team spirit
Agree 100%
Quote from: Luka on February 09, 2019, 07:04:40 PM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on February 09, 2019, 04:25:37 PM
A fair few 'bring back Joka' mentions across the piece, predictable I suppose, but back at the time of his demise were we not equally abysmal, were the threads not full of words like disgrace, woeful, and pathetic and most importantly were there not rumblings of discontent from the changing rooms and Motspur Park?
A couple of his coaching team left early in the season along with Stuart Gray virtually pre season so it was not like we made the usual wholesale changes that usually accompany the frontmans demise so it would seem the changes were focussed on JOka himself. Anyway that's all history now. Should we not move on........ again.
I think the Slavisa out call back then was because it was genuinely believed the squad were good enough and so it was a manager problem.
Now I think it's been recognised it's actually the squad that are not good enough and that Slavisa was not the problem.
Now we have an inept squad with an inept manager an inept recruitment team and are going to be relegated.
Yes I suppose a few months on we would not be expecting the word inept to be thrown about so much and with so little progress in team development this rabble might not have been a success under anybody. However I still believe there were more add ons with Joka's dismissal that we will learn about when the book is published.
Even if our players are not the highest of quality, the issue I have is a manager that talks to the press about his players in a negative fashion, especially the captain. Team morale is vital. It's one thing to talk to the press, and say he's not good about things, then to actually follow through and bench him makes it "more than words".
See how often Vietto passes to Cairney when he's come on, almost instantly. Ranieri seems to want to be right, versus wants the players to be happy. It's as clear as day.
I backed him in a tactical standpoint of understanding what decisions he's made. However, when he starts talking about "soldiers" are needed, that branches into the psychology of player and team dynamics. Nothing to do with tactics, and everything to do with personnel. He failed at that. He failed to lift up the team, the crowd and that is what is inexcusable for me.
Cardiff's 'success' in this league, proves that it's all about motivation and team spirit. Virtually everyone agrees that their style of football is not good to watch, and none of their players are that great, to be fair. But each one of them would run through a brick wall for each other, and Colin instils in them the belief that they can beat anyone on their day. And they do. Says it all, really.
Quote from: Hoppus on February 09, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
Even the best manager in the world would have serious trouble with our defence.
MLM, Odoi, Ream, Bryan. PL quality???
+1
Quote from: bahay18 on February 09, 2019, 03:26:00 PM
He leaves out players like cairney and sess because they aren't aggressive enough and replaces them with vietto and schurrle . Schurrle's kit looked cleaner than the start of the game when he went off . If he thinks he is too good and wants to leave at the end of season , I'm free this week i can drive him to the airport and i won't even ask for the petrol money.
Ranieri , trying to be clever isn't working. The reason the brighton came turned round was cairney getting on the ball and actually passing to a player in a white shirt . He made himself available for seri so he could pass first time and not get caught because he has no one to pass to. The passes into Mitro were then from 15 or 20 yards so he could actually get on the ball and not launched from 70 yards away.
Ranieri i think your time is up .
+1
I find it very embarrassing to be changing the manager so often . But decisions results and performances have proved he's not for us. Mind you quite a few players fit that bill too.
Hes making Warnock look like a tactical genius
Quote from: Matt10 on February 09, 2019, 07:31:11 PM
Even if our players are not the highest of quality, the issue I have is a manager that talks to the press about his players in a negative fashion, especially the captain. Team morale is vital. It's one thing to talk to the press, and say he's not good about things, then to actually follow through and bench him makes it "more than words".
See how often Vietto passes to Cairney when he's come on, almost instantly. Ranieri seems to want to be right, versus wants the players to be happy. It's as clear as day.
I backed him in a tactical standpoint of understanding what decisions he's made. However, when he starts talking about "soldiers" are needed, that branches into the psychology of player and team dynamics. Nothing to do with tactics, and everything to do with personnel. He failed at that. He failed to lift up the team, the crowd and that is what is inexcusable for me.
I agree with you Matt and his latest public assertion that Sess is not fit enough is absolutely mind boggling.
How on earth can anyone have voted to keep him !!!!
Quote from: Milo on February 09, 2019, 07:01:32 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 09, 2019, 06:55:09 PM
Gone if we lose next game according talksport radio,they agree he's lost plot..
Wonder if there's betting on it?
9/1
Tempting! But he won't sack two managers in one season again! Surely..
We've done it before ...
Really surprised. Wish we had SJ but CR is fine. No one can save this team.
151 out and 22 in is quite a distinct demonstration of fans feelings towards Ranieri and his tenure. Add to that the loud rendition of "you don't know what you're doing" after the substitution.
I usualy support our manager right up to the end, I honestly felt that Kit should have been given longer.
Ranieri however is proving a disaster and is not in agreement with our captain, he has to leave.
The only excuse he has is to ask where is his much needed right back and centre back.
Quote from: hovewhite on February 09, 2019, 06:27:38 PM
Amazing,do you all think we have a divine right to stay up.
Player wise today back to front, quality wise we were poo ,sorry to say it we were,no matter who is in charge Claudio or slavisa.
Amazingly strange comment. I don't think anyone who supports Fulham believes we have a divine right to anything! The debate is about the sort of teams Ranieri has put out, his tactics, his substitutions, his attitude and relationship with some of our best players. And therefore whether he should go. Nobody is suggesting we have a divine right to anything.
Quote from: Enfield on February 09, 2019, 11:01:12 PM
How on earth can anyone have voted to keep him !!!!
They weren't on Earth when they voted, they were on another planet.
Quote from: Hoppus on February 09, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
Even the best manager in the world would have serious trouble with our defence.
MLM, Odoi, Ream, Bryan. PL quality???
You're not wrong.
He still needs to go. I want someone in that will work on attractive football AND defense.
Forgetting the strength of the squad, the man in totally incompetent - on many levels. We need to part company now & even if Parker is in temporary charge, bring some semblance of rationality to selections & substitutions and give the players some motivation.
Start with playing our best players in their correct positions & dispense with the mercenaries.
Well the result is a unanimous decision.
Has he gone then?...This vote needs to be sent to the Khans.
I think that we let him take us down whilst we find a good alternative. I don't want him managing us next season.
Think the problem is with the players purchased,not premium standard,clueless in defence,they obviously don't take anything on board,,,,,,should have spent the bulk on the money on prem players,who have seen it and done it in the prem,,rather 4 players like that than this shower,,seems to me the highly inexperienced son of the chairman thinks throwing daddies money around brings success!he needs to step down and bring in someone who actually understands football,and what's needed to survive the first couple of years in the prem
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 10, 2019, 09:56:26 PM
Quote from: Enfield on February 09, 2019, 11:01:12 PM
How on earth can anyone have voted to keep him !!!!
They weren't on Earth when they voted, they were on another planet.
Perhaps they think it just couldn't get any worse than it has been for the last two matches.
Quote from: The Old Count on February 09, 2019, 02:02:43 PM
Hard not to agree. CR has been awful. Also he's alienating our best players. They'll want to be off asap.
Agreed.
Can't see TC and Sess wanting to stay at this rate.
We're already down and bringing them on with 20 & 10 mins to go, losing to Utd, is insulting to both of them.
How he can play Schurle game after game and bench Sess until there is no time left is a disgrace imo.
Shame 2 zero's weren't added to the results i.e. 19600 against 3100, perhaps our owner might have considered taking the appropriate action but there again he might have left any decision to his son who would probably have given CR a payrise as he would have misunderstood the results.
200 up. That's a pretty serious groundswell of opinion.
I think it would look really stupid if we change managers again, three managers again in one season, we would be dead cert for the drop.
I thought we played well today but just haven't got the quality. Maybe a different manager to the ones we had could have kept us up but it is far to late for another change
Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but we are dead certs for the drop. It is Huddersfield, us and another. I would be quite happy to change manager now as it wouldn't make the blindest bit of difference. At least a new one might bring TC and Sess back in from the cold. I, for the life of me, cannot understand why they have been frozen out in this manner and I am sure neither can they. They will be off the first chance they get and who can blame them after this treatment. Wembley seems light years ago now..........
who voted to keep Co-Codio the clown
Quote from: Enfield on February 11, 2019, 07:37:42 PM
who voted to keep Co-Codio the clown
Huddersfield, Cardiff and Southampton Supporters.
Quote from: Fulham 442 on February 11, 2019, 05:55:46 PM
I think it would look really stupid if we change managers again, three managers again in one season, we would be dead cert for the drop.
I thought we played well today but just haven't got the quality. Maybe a different manager to the ones we had could have kept us up but it is far to late for another change
Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but we are dead certs for the drop. It is Huddersfield, us and another. I would be quite happy to change manager now as it wouldn't make the blindest bit of difference. At least a new one might bring TC and Sess back in from the cold. I, for the life of me, cannot understand why they have been frozen out in this manner and I am sure neither can they. They will be off the first chance they get and who can blame them after this treatment. Wembley seems light years ago now..........
I don't think anyone expects any new manager to rescue us from our hopeless situation. We need a manager who will bring back cohesion to the squad, reintegrate alienated players, rediscover a playing philosophy, give some of our young talent some experience and leave us better placed at season end for next year in the Championship. Ranieri is emphaticallly not that man.
You are right Twig surely no one expects a Richard Attenborough ( Bartlett ) to lead us in a sequel Great Escape 2 . However we are desperate for some level of hope for someone to be appointed who is able to lead us in the tough challenges ahead in the Chapionship next year. This rebuilding operation must start ASAP . Our current head of recruitment though seems incapable and leaves everything until the last minute and even then couldn't build a sandcastle if he tried.
I think it would look really stupid if we change managers again, three managers again in one season, we would be dead cert for the drop.
I thought we played well today but just haven't got the quality. Maybe a different manager to the ones we had could have kept us up but it is far to late for another change
Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but we are dead certs for the drop. It is Huddersfield, us and another. I would be quite happy to change manager now as it wouldn't make the blindest bit of difference. At least a new one might bring TC and Sess back in from the cold. I, for the life of me, cannot understand why they have been frozen out in this manner and I am sure neither can they. They will be off the first chance they get and who can blame them after this treatment. Wembley seems light years ago now..........
I don't think anyone expects any new manager to rescue us from our hopeless situation. We need a manager who will bring back cohesion to the squad, reintegrate alienated players, rediscover a playing philosophy, give some of our young talent some experience and leave us better placed at season end for next year in the Championship. Ranieri is emphaticallly not that man.
I completely agree with you Twig. The first part of my post was a quote from Berserkers!
Quote from: Fulham 442 on February 12, 2019, 07:16:37 AM
I think it would look really stupid if we change managers again, three managers again in one season, we would be dead cert for the drop.
I thought we played well today but just haven't got the quality. Maybe a different manager to the ones we had could have kept us up but it is far to late for another change
Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but we are dead certs for the drop. It is Huddersfield, us and another. I would be quite happy to change manager now as it wouldn't make the blindest bit of difference. At least a new one might bring TC and Sess back in from the cold. I, for the life of me, cannot understand why they have been frozen out in this manner and I am sure neither can they. They will be off the first chance they get and who can blame them after this treatment. Wembley seems light years ago now..........
I don't think anyone expects any new manager to rescue us from our hopeless situation. We need a manager who will bring back cohesion to the squad, reintegrate alienated players, rediscover a playing philosophy, give some of our young talent some experience and leave us better placed at season end for next year in the Championship. Ranieri is emphaticallly not that man.
I completely agree with you Twig. The first part of my post was a quote from Berserkers!
Sorry, I missed that it was a quote.
Quote from: filham on February 10, 2019, 07:30:13 PM
I usualy support our manager right up to the end, I honestly felt that Kit should have been given longer.
Ranieri however is proving a disaster and is not in agreement with our captain, he has to leave.
The only excuse he has is to ask where is his much needed right back and centre back.
I would echo your thoughts about Symons, and I had echoed as much when presenting the comparative PPG record of all Fulham's 'managers' under the Khans. Symons was actually a better PPG gatherer than during Jokanovic's first months at the Club.
My thoughts about Ranieri are rather different. He was at Anfield when our lads gave what I still regard as the best account of a team this season under any manager. He must have been champing at the bit to get a chance to take that team to greater heights knowing Jokanovic would be gone within hours. His first words about the squad being quality and good enough for the PL echoed his confidence levels, as did his remarks about having the full support of the Khan Snr via recruitment if needed. He has neither eclipsed that performance at Anfield at any time, nor has he changed recruitment policy one iota. The squad is, by his criticisms of individuals lacking fitness, composure and fight and yet, they are the very players who Jokanovic inspired on that day in Liverpool.
Should he go? Yes, IMO, because he is a destructive influence (whether he intend to be or not) and FFC need to construct something that breeds optimism and a future regardless of how this season pans out. He is not a Fulham style manager, never was, and never could be.
