Two players I have criticised all season. But today Anguissa was excellent and Bryan for the last few games has noticeably improved.
Could we be seeing signs of Scott Parker being a good man manager?
A good and accurate post, pleased to see someone can get over disappointment and see the positives. Ken44
If we'd played like we have in the last three games from the beginning of the season we wouldn't be where we are now.
Yes I was impressed with both today, as I was with others and with the teams application.
It's just individual mistakes that are constantly costing us, but I am impressed so far with the way Scott Parker is handling the job, because it cannot be easy.
Quote from: Holders on March 17, 2019, 04:51:48 PM
If we'd played like we have in the last three games from the beginning of the season we wouldn't be where we are now.
The 2 home games against big teams we've looked like we belong in the league.
Anguissa needed time to adjust to the pace of the league, and his endurance was SHITE.
The few games he started he would be ok for the first 50 minutes...then he would hit the wall and play slow, lethargic and careless.
He'll be a good player in the Championship and he'll be a big part of Fulham coming back up.
I'm going to honorable mention Fosu Mensah in this thread. He too played probably his best game as a White today. No, he didn't try to drive forward like Joe Bryan did, but I thought he defended well considering he was attacked by Mane and Robertson the entire first half.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on March 17, 2019, 04:54:03 PM
Quote from: Holders on March 17, 2019, 04:51:48 PM
If we'd played like we have in the last three games from the beginning of the season we wouldn't be where we are now.
The 2 home games against big teams we've looked like we belong in the league.
Yes, the results are largely irrelevant now. It just emphasises what a bad fit CR was for us and, maybe, how we missed Stuart Gray.
Spot on, and down to Parker.
Mensah. We're you at the game ? Horrible for most of the game. Seemed to wake up when we scored tho
Quote from: F.luke on March 17, 2019, 05:04:10 PM
Mensah. We're you at the game ? Horrible for most of the game. Seemed to wake up when we scored tho
We're YOU at the game? We scored right after he left the pitch. I saw at least good tackles...a good recovery where he had to beat Robertson to a loose ball over a 30 yard sprint where Roberton had the angle but Fosu's pace got him to the spot in time to challenge. yes...Robertson retained control of the ball..but Fosu's challenge led to a poor attempt at goal.
Firminho tried a back leg flick to an open offensive player right in front of Rico, yet fosu's leg prevented the pass from getting through.
I saw offensive play where two Liverpool players (Mane being one of them) tried to body Fosu off the ball, yet he fought through both players to drive the ball the the half line then pass the ball away.
What game were YOU watching?
He made two poor passes...and he was told to play narrow which left a lot of open space to Liverpool's winger.
I think Joe has played very well in the past 3 games, marked improvement on previous. Zambo looked like a player for the first time this season, maybe we will get a return on our investment after all!
Well, Anguissa was injured since Man United away, which was December...then Ranieri played him vs West Ham in which he played well, but the system was set up poorly for all players involved in that match. After that, Anguissa plays a bit against Chelsea and looked good. Finally, now, Parker has given him a vote of confidence by starting him for 90 minutes, in a system with Seri beside him. That's good coaching imho, and we've now seen what Anguissa is capable of. May it continue on.
Bryan's been playing solid, really not hesitating anymore and not afraid to show his skills. Leicester given man of the match, completely dominating that left-hand side. He did well pair up with Ream on his side again, able to pretty much contain Salah today.
Quite happy with both performances from them. Hopefully they can finish the season with the same types of performance.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on March 17, 2019, 05:12:39 PM
Quote from: F.luke on March 17, 2019, 05:04:10 PM
Mensah. We're you at the game ? Horrible for most of the game. Seemed to wake up when we scored tho
We're YOU at the game? We scored right after he left the pitch. I saw at least good tackles...a good recovery where he had to beat Robertson to a loose ball over a 30 yard sprint where Roberton had the angle but Fosu's pace got him to the spot in time to challenge. yes...Robertson retained control of the ball..but Fosu's challenge led to a poor attempt at goal.
Firminho tried a back leg flick to an open offensive player right in front of Rico, yet fosu's leg prevented the pass from getting through.
I saw offensive play where two Liverpool players (Mane being one of them) tried to body Fosu off the ball, yet he fought through both players to drive the ball the the half line then pass the ball away.
What game were YOU watching?
He made two poor passes...and he was told to play narrow which left a lot of open space to Liverpool's winger.
I'm with you. Thought TFM had a v good strong game. I was also there.
Tbf there were no bad performances really. Although Rico is beginning to annoy me with his constant pushing the ball back into dangerous positions.
Zambo my motm.
that was Anguissa's 9th start I think. People may juuuuust have been a little bit quick to write him off.
I am thinking that I may have to eat humble pie in view of the things I have said about Anguissa but lets see a couple more performances first.
Quote from: F.luke on March 17, 2019, 05:04:10 PM
Mensah. We're you at the game ? Horrible for most of the game. Seemed to wake up when we scored tho
Can we stop with the "were you at the game" as well? What difference does that make? I was a S/T for 8 years and now watch on TV and still come to similar judgements.
I think you perhaps when critical of players fail to understand the significance of man management and its role in football (an in general life). Making someone feel understood, valued and to the point they feel comfortable and themselves and can and want to give back is probably the key thing in life between have and have nots, success and failure..
Parker played anguissa's role and was one of the best in the league at it for a decade, anguissa will hopefully learn a lot from him.
Quote from: wormbridge on March 18, 2019, 11:13:48 AM
Quote from: F.luke on March 17, 2019, 05:04:10 PM
Mensah. We're you at the game ? Horrible for most of the game. Seemed to wake up when we scored tho
Can we stop with the "were you at the game" as well? What difference does that make? I was a S/T for 8 years and now watch on TV and still come to similar judgements.
And you get in game analysis as well as replays. Although there is always more to be seen in the wider picture as the camera tends to focus on the player on the ball, but still.. the difference is marginal for most things.
Quote from: Chutney on March 18, 2019, 11:23:17 AM
Parker played anguissa's role and was one of the best in the league at it for a decade, anguissa will hopefully learn a lot from him.
It's a really interesting point, although the bloke's played in a european final already so not completely green. But sure some premiership know-how can be imparted.
Quote from: wormbridge on March 18, 2019, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: Chutney on March 18, 2019, 11:23:17 AM
Parker played anguissa's role and was one of the best in the league at it for a decade, anguissa will hopefully learn a lot from him.
It's a really interesting point, although the bloke's played in a european final already so not completely green. But sure some premiership know-how can be imparted.
Anguissa was well known before he joined Fulham, the question is why do Fulham Fans assume he's is poo just because he was rubbish at Fulham. Newcastle fans made the same mistake about Mitrovoic. Chelsea fans thought the same of Salah and De Brunye. If he plays rubbish at Fulham, was he always shite or did he suddenly become shite? And, Why?
Quote from: Chutney on March 18, 2019, 11:23:17 AM
Parker played anguissa's role and was one of the best in the league at it for a decade, anguissa will hopefully learn a lot from him.
I do think Parker really likes Anguissa. At full time yesterday the two of them walked round the pitch together to applaud the fans and had a long chat, with Parker having his arm around Anguissa the whole time.
Quote from: @jolslover on March 18, 2019, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: Chutney on March 18, 2019, 11:23:17 AM
Parker played anguissa's role and was one of the best in the league at it for a decade, anguissa will hopefully learn a lot from him.
I do think Parker really likes Anguissa. At full time yesterday the two of them walked round the pitch together to applaud the fans and had a long chat, with Parker having his arm around Anguissa the whole time.
that's brilliant. I wonder about confidence a bit, too. So if Parker's building him up so much the better.
Anguissa and Bryan were good, TFM was OK, in my view an upgrade on Denis and Cyrus.
I put a lot of this down to SP, I can't believe the step up in performance from CR.
Answering the OP: I don't know but, I hope they'll go back there until early September. This season is toast and I'd very much like these two and many others in this team to remain and push us back to promotion next season.
My only concern right now is to see how Parker gets on within matches, whether he's capable with his game planning for varied opponents and with his substitutions and, most importantly, if the squad want to play for him. I won't mind being incorrect in my assumption that he won't cut it.....inexperience and such (I can be short-sighted that way sometimes). Admittedly, I haven't been able to watch much lately as my son and daughter have their own sporting endeavors currently gobbling up viewing time.
Quote from: ToodlesMcToot on March 18, 2019, 12:27:03 PM
Answering the OP: I don't know but, I hope they'll go back there until early September. This season is toast and I'd very much like these two and many others in this team to remain and push us back to promotion next season.
My only concern right now is to see how Parker gets on within matches, whether he's capable with his game planning for varied opponents and with his substitutions and, most importantly, if the squad want to play for him. I won't mind being incorrect in my assumption that he won't cut it.....inexperience and such (I can be short-sighted that way sometimes). Admittedly, I haven't been able to watch much lately as my son and daughter have their own sporting endeavors currently gobbling up viewing time.
I think he's got his lineups and substitutions spot on in the last 3, seems to have plans depending on opponents
I just can't get past the idea that if Scott had been given the job instead of Ranieri, we would have been 4 or 5 places above where we are now - sadly it's a case of too little too late. at least we are going down with a bit of restored pride
Quote from: Mike the White on March 18, 2019, 12:50:42 PM
I just can't get past the idea that if Scott had been given the job instead of Ranieri, we would have been 4 or 5 places above where we are now - sadly it's a case of too little too late. at least we are going down with a bit of restored pride
I think that naive as Scott Parker was there and Raneri would have known Parkers thoughts. If Parkers ideas were so good, why didn't Raneri try them towards the end.
Bryan will be good for us next season. Anguissa was good yesterday will be interesting to see if we hold on to him for next season or if he is flogged to a team abroad
IMO Anguissa and Bryan played well yesterday but Bryan is still not the required standard and we do need far better.
Anguissa? Well I thought that was the best game I had seen him play by a mile. His interceptions were very good, he was not too wasteful with the ball, and actually could have been braver with a few more forward passes, and all in all was a decent display. But there are three thoughts about him. First, I suspect the way Liverpool play may have suited him, counter intuitive perhaps but Liverpool are not the standard blood and thunder style. Second, it was a good performance based on what we have seen so far and he still made a few basic errors especially when he picked up the ball and started running forward. and third can he keep it up consistently.
In the end I was really p-leased to see him at last start to do well, I still happen to think it was still below the level expected for a player with his reputed price tag, but a major step in the right direction and I hope he keeps it up!
I said on the team selection thread that I'm sure the midfield trio we intended to play this season was the trio that played Saturday, Seri/Anguissa/Cairney, and if we can get those 3 playing well together, that's a big upgrade on the trio of Johansen/McDonald/Cairney IMO and would destroy any Championship opposition next year.
My worry with Parker is he seems to say and do all the right things but whenever he's been at the club, we seem to lose or do poorly. That trend appears to be continuing - yes it seems great for him to put an arm around Anguissa etc but that's still 3 straight losses since he took charge.
Quote from: Statto on March 18, 2019, 04:07:01 PM
I said on the team selection thread that I'm sure the midfield trio we intended to play this season was the trio that played Saturday, Seri/Anguissa/Cairney, and if we can get those 3 playing well together, that's a big upgrade on the trio of Johansen/McDonald/Cairney IMO and would destroy any Championship opposition next year.
My worry with Parker is he seems to say and do all the right things but whenever he's been at the club, we seem to lose or do poorly. That trend appears to be continuing - yes it seems great for him to put an arm around Anguissa etc but that's still 3 straight losses since he took charge.
And Bale didn't play in a winning spurs side for how many games after he signed? Not a dig but sometimes it takes a while for things to come together
Quote from: snarks on March 18, 2019, 06:23:09 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 18, 2019, 04:07:01 PM
I said on the team selection thread that I'm sure the midfield trio we intended to play this season was the trio that played Saturday, Seri/Anguissa/Cairney, and if we can get those 3 playing well together, that's a big upgrade on the trio of Johansen/McDonald/Cairney IMO and would destroy any Championship opposition next year.
My worry with Parker is he seems to say and do all the right things but whenever he's been at the club, we seem to lose or do poorly. That trend appears to be continuing - yes it seems great for him to put an arm around Anguissa etc but that's still 3 straight losses since he took charge.
And Bale didn't play in a winning spurs side for how many games after he signed? Not a dig but sometimes it takes a while for things to come together
Maybe
But this is Parker's 5th season at Fulham in one capacity or another and in that time it's likely we'll have finished as follows
19th (relegated)
17th
20th
6th (lost in play-offs)
19th (relegated)
Certainly he doesn't seem to bring much luck with him
Quote from: Statto on March 18, 2019, 08:48:47 PM
Maybe
But this is Parker's 5th season at Fulham in one capacity or another and in that time it's likely we'll have finished as follows
19th (relegated)
Certainly he doesn't seem to bring much luck with him
Scott Parker's job was to get players playing near their best, Anguissa isn't anywhere near as his best even against Liverpool and thats the best his played in Six Months. The same can be said for TFM, Ream, Bryan, Seri, Johansen, Cairney, Sessegnon, Schullre and Chambers at CB.
Scott Parker's job was to help Slavisa not make stupid mistakes, yet the bench against Huddersfield (not Man City) we had four defenders, McDonald and Johasen on the bench.
Scott Parker's job was to help Raneri not make stupid mistakes, yet he didn't stop Raneri tinkering with the lineup after the Brighton game and didn't stop him subsituting a forward with a back when we were behind.
Inside the club they must know, whether in the above situtations Scott Parker assisted correctly or was blocked by others. If he didn't do enough or could have done more, then Parker has failed at his old role and doesn't deserves a promotion.
Quote from: General on March 18, 2019, 11:21:14 AM
I think you perhaps when critical of players fail to understand the significance of man management and its role in football (an in general life). Making someone feel understood, valued and to the point they feel comfortable and themselves and can and want to give back is probably the key thing in life between have and have nots, success and failure..
Well said General.
Very true about how people are treated in the workplace.
Quote from: Jims Dentist on March 21, 2019, 07:24:56 PM
Quote from: General on March 18, 2019, 11:21:14 AM
I think you perhaps when critical of players fail to understand the significance of man management and its role in football (an in general life). Making someone feel understood, valued and to the point they feel comfortable and themselves and can and want to give back is probably the key thing in life between have and have nots, success and failure..
Well said General.
Very true about how people are treated in the workplace.
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Quote from: @jolslover on March 18, 2019, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: Chutney on March 18, 2019, 11:23:17 AM
Parker played anguissa's role and was one of the best in the league at it for a decade, anguissa will hopefully learn a lot from him.
I do think Parker really likes Anguissa. At full time yesterday the two of them walked round the pitch together to applaud the fans and had a long chat, with Parker having his arm around Anguissa the whole time.
Of course, Parker loves Anguissa, he knows very well that got him to get the job someone is going to have improve the quality of the side, and Odoi cannot do better.
Both will be excellent next year.
Worth the wait. Cairney will need protecting and backing up next year that is why we need to keep Seri.We also desperately need a good full back/winger like Matt Targett
£15m would have been fine...it would have saved this season basically.It did for Slavisa having such poor full backs on offer for his system.
