I see the fee has gone to arbitration. Will that be good or bad news?
Knowing the useless mugs at the FA, they will sit on the fence and look at a halfway compromise.
They won't want to upset their little darlings Liverpool either.
One thing is for certain, if Elliot ever plays for a club other than Liverpool, what we and QPR get will be a tiny fraction of what Liverpool gets for developing him.
Quote from: Mike the White on July 11, 2019, 04:23:52 PM
I see the fee has gone to arbitration. Will that be good or bad news?
Better than if he went overseas, but won't be anything life-changing for the club.
It's all part of the reason why he got minutes for us - increasing his value.
Harvey Elliot compilation:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-YQiAFaMpI&time_continue=22
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on July 11, 2019, 11:29:02 PM
Harvey Elliot compilation:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-YQiAFaMpI&time_continue=22
Having watched that I think hes making a big mistake, the standard of keepers and players are nowhere near championship level, he would learn so much more playing 10 - 15 mins a week against men then running rings around bad youth players. He'll be nowhere near the Liverpool first team and develop may stall, i expect a loam move in 2 or 3 years will be the next we hear of him
Quote from: Nero on July 12, 2019, 12:31:39 AM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on July 11, 2019, 11:29:02 PM
Harvey Elliot compilation:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-YQiAFaMpI&time_continue=22
Having watched that I think hes making a big mistake, the standard of keepers and players are nowhere near championship level, he would learn so much more playing 10 - 15 mins a week against men then running rings around bad youth players. He'll be nowhere near the Liverpool first team and develop may stall, i expect a loam move in 2 or 3 years will be the next we hear of him
We don't know how old some of the clips are - some may be a couple of years old - but I was surprised how schoolboyish or practice session like the games looked and the lack of tackling. Also, he was quite one (left) footed (yes, Cairney is too). He doesn't look quite ready for Champions League football just yet.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on July 12, 2019, 02:18:47 AM
Quote from: Nero on July 12, 2019, 12:31:39 AM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on July 11, 2019, 11:29:02 PM
Harvey Elliot compilation:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-YQiAFaMpI&time_continue=22
Having watched that I think hes making a big mistake, the standard of keepers and players are nowhere near championship level, he would learn so much more playing 10 - 15 mins a week against men then running rings around bad youth players. He'll be nowhere near the Liverpool first team and develop may stall, i expect a loam move in 2 or 3 years will be the next we hear of him
We don't know how old some of the clips are - some may be a couple of years old - but I was surprised how schoolboyish or practice session like the games looked and the lack of tackling. Also, he was quite one (left) footed (yes, Cairney is too). He doesn't look quite ready for Champions League football just yet.
Liverpool has been rumoured to have promised to pay Harvey Elliot higher wages than either Seri or Cairney from his 17th Birthday onwards. Fulham and QPRs combined compensation for developing him could be about 8 weeks of his "wages at 17 years old" and in the future his wages maybe more per week than FFC ever received in compensation.
"Liverpool has been rumoured to have promised to pay Harvey Elliot higher wages than either Seri or Cairney from his 17th Birthday onwards. Fulham and QPRs combined compensation for developing him could be about 8 weeks of his "wages at 17 years old" and in the future his wages maybe more per week than FFC ever received in compensation."
Gutting for us, but if true, I don't see what mistake Elliott is making here. Boyhood club, Dad's club, Champions league winners, title challengers, good record of bringing youth through and one of Europe's highest rated coaches. Plus all that money - he may be just 17, but one bad tackle and his career could nosedive or end. Seems like a win win for him from my view.
I'm sure Fulham will be on the benefitting end of something like this sooner than later. We nearly did the same with Raheem Sterling after all.
He's got a lot of learning to do. He would be better off remaining with a smaller club
I can't see what he is doing wrong. Going to a big club where his family have a history and getting a big increase in his income. Liverpool have a decent record of developing their youth. If he was my son I would say go ahead and grab your opportunity.
Quote from: Andy S on July 12, 2019, 10:17:43 AM
He's got a lot of learning to do. He would be better off remaining with a smaller club
Why? Our record with youth is as bad as Chelsea. Sess aside, which player under 20 has had a run in the first team consistently?
Read this today if its true on his twitter and Instagram sites then happy for him to go.....
https://rushthekop.com/2019/07/12/liverpool-news-discovered-fulham-elliot-not-pretty/
Quote from: Dr Quinzel on July 12, 2019, 08:46:15 AM
"Liverpool has been rumoured to have promised to pay Harvey Elliot higher wages than either Seri or Cairney from his 17th Birthday onwards. Fulham and QPRs combined compensation for developing him could be about 8 weeks of his "wages at 17 years old" and in the future his wages maybe more per week than FFC ever received in compensation."
Gutting for us, but if true, I don't see what mistake Elliott is making here. Boyhood club, Dad's club, Champions league winners, title challengers, good record of bringing youth through and one of Europe's highest rated coaches. Plus all that money - he may be just 17, but one bad tackle and his career could nosedive or end. Seems like a win win for him from my view.
I'm sure Fulham will be on the benefitting end of something like this sooner than later. We nearly did the same with Raheem Sterling after all.
There arent that many career threatening injuries now days are there with the medical advances there have been, he can make money sat in the reserves at Liverpool or play first team games and get a big move for first team football like Sess is likely to do, either way if sess says or goes he going to be on a big chunk of money that will set him up for life if hes not stupid with it
Quote from: Nero on July 12, 2019, 01:45:00 PM
Quote from: Dr Quinzel on July 12, 2019, 08:46:15 AM
"Liverpool has been rumoured to have promised to pay Harvey Elliot higher wages than either Seri or Cairney from his 17th Birthday onwards. Fulham and QPRs combined compensation for developing him could be about 8 weeks of his "wages at 17 years old" and in the future his wages maybe more per week than FFC ever received in compensation."
Gutting for us, but if true, I don't see what mistake Elliott is making here. Boyhood club, Dad's club, Champions league winners, title challengers, good record of bringing youth through and one of Europe's highest rated coaches. Plus all that money - he may be just 17, but one bad tackle and his career could nosedive or end. Seems like a win win for him from my view.
I'm sure Fulham will be on the benefitting end of something like this sooner than later. We nearly did the same with Raheem Sterling after all.
There arent that many career threatening injuries now days are there with the medical advances there have been, he can make money sat in the reserves at Liverpool or play first team games and get a big move for first team football like Sess is likely to do, either way if sess says or goes he going to be on a big chunk of money that will set him up for life if hes not stupid with it
We only played him to get his tribunal fee up - I've been telling this to people for months. Doesn't mean he would have been in the first team this year by any stretch if his contract situation was different. Why do people seem to think we're some sort of Ajax? We don't give youth extended chances. Sessegnon is the anomoly. There's a huge gulf between the u18 level kids being talented, then going from the u23's and into our first team. Young players seeing this and wanting to leave is a Fulham issue that we need to fix.
He has just as much chance, possibly more at Liverpool. Rumours are Elliott will be getting a wedge regardless so this is his big move.
There's a lot of bitter fans here who seem to think we're something we're not when it comes to giving youth a chance.
Quote from: Dr Quinzel on July 12, 2019, 08:46:15 AM
"Liverpool has been rumoured to have promised to pay Harvey Elliot higher wages than either Seri or Cairney from his 17th Birthday onwards. Fulham and QPRs combined compensation for developing him could be about 8 weeks of his "wages at 17 years old" and in the future his wages maybe more per week than FFC ever received in compensation."
Gutting for us, but if true, I don't see what mistake Elliott is making here. Boyhood club, Dad's club, Champions league winners, title challengers, good record of bringing youth through and one of Europe's highest rated coaches. Plus all that money - he may be just 17, but one bad tackle and his career could nosedive or end. Seems like a win win for him from my view.
I'm sure Fulham will be on the benefitting end of something like this sooner than later. We nearly did the same with Raheem Sterling after all.
It depends what you are going for: a football career or the financial rewards.
I believe that the player or the club can get insurance to cover career ending injuries.
As for a career, a young player needs to break through into the first team and gain game time. Festering in the u23s, on the bench or out on loan in some lower standard of football is unlikely to help a player develop.
Look at the careers of Patrick Roberts, now 22, (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Roberts) and Emerson Hyndman, now 23, (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerson_Hyndman) since they left Fulham with 19 and 25 appearances for Fulham behind them so somewhat more advanced than Elliot.They are hardly a great advertisement for going to a bigger club before getting so experience and consolidating your position.
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on July 12, 2019, 02:51:56 PM
Quote from: Dr Quinzel on July 12, 2019, 08:46:15 AM
"Liverpool has been rumoured to have promised to pay Harvey Elliot higher wages than either Seri or Cairney from his 17th Birthday onwards. Fulham and QPRs combined compensation for developing him could be about 8 weeks of his "wages at 17 years old" and in the future his wages maybe more per week than FFC ever received in compensation."
Gutting for us, but if true, I don't see what mistake Elliott is making here. Boyhood club, Dad's club, Champions league winners, title challengers, good record of bringing youth through and one of Europe's highest rated coaches. Plus all that money - he may be just 17, but one bad tackle and his career could nosedive or end. Seems like a win win for him from my view.
I'm sure Fulham will be on the benefitting end of something like this sooner than later. We nearly did the same with Raheem Sterling after all.
It depends what you are going for: a football career or the financial rewards.
I believe that the player or the club can get insurance to cover career ending injuries.
As for a career, a young player needs to break through into the first team and gain game time. Festering in the u23s, on the bench or out on loan in some lower standard of football is unlikely to help a player develop.
Look at the careers of Patrick Roberts, now 22, (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Roberts) and Emerson Hyndman, now 23, (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerson_Hyndman) since they left Fulham with 19 and 25 appearances for Fulham behind them so somewhat more advanced than Elliot.They are hardly a great advertisement for going to a bigger club before getting so experience and consolidating your position.
Why do you think he's more likely to get that here, where the only player under 21 in the last three years to get any serious game time is Sess, compared to Liverpool?
Thanks for the Wikis of those players - ...we all know who they are.
Quote from: Dr Quinzel on July 12, 2019, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: Apprentice to the Maestro on July 12, 2019, 02:51:56 PM
Quote from: Dr Quinzel on July 12, 2019, 08:46:15 AM
"Liverpool has been rumoured to have promised to pay Harvey Elliot higher wages than either Seri or Cairney from his 17th Birthday onwards. Fulham and QPRs combined compensation for developing him could be about 8 weeks of his "wages at 17 years old" and in the future his wages maybe more per week than FFC ever received in compensation."
Gutting for us, but if true, I don't see what mistake Elliott is making here. Boyhood club, Dad's club, Champions league winners, title challengers, good record of bringing youth through and one of Europe's highest rated coaches. Plus all that money - he may be just 17, but one bad tackle and his career could nosedive or end. Seems like a win win for him from my view.
I'm sure Fulham will be on the benefitting end of something like this sooner than later. We nearly did the same with Raheem Sterling after all.
It depends what you are going for: a football career or the financial rewards.
I believe that the player or the club can get insurance to cover career ending injuries.
As for a career, a young player needs to break through into the first team and gain game time. Festering in the u23s, on the bench or out on loan in some lower standard of football is unlikely to help a player develop.
Look at the careers of Patrick Roberts, now 22, (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Roberts) and Emerson Hyndman, now 23, (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerson_Hyndman) since they left Fulham with 19 and 25 appearances for Fulham behind them so somewhat more advanced than Elliot.They are hardly a great advertisement for going to a bigger club before getting so experience and consolidating your position.
Why do you think he's more likely to get that here, where the only player under 21 in the last three years to get any serious game time is Sess, compared to Liverpool?
Thanks for the Wikis of those players - ...we all know who they are.
I hope our young players do get more of a chance. We have more of a stable team now based around the promotion side plus those who bedded in last season so we might take a few more risks. We are now in the Championship rather than the PL. We have a new manager who may be more willing to give them opportunities. There are several positions up for grabs. From the practice match and the photographs from Portugal, the young up and coming players are training as part of the first team squad. And, hopefully, we will have a winning side. So, several reasons why a young player might feel positive about their chances with Fulham.
I put in the wiki links because I like to check the facts and thought some others might also like to refresh their memories as to how much pitch time Roberts and Hyndman have had since leaving us, what kind of impact the have had and where they are now. I took it for granted that you know these things.
As also I have assumed we all know how many in Liverpool's squad have come through their youth system or moved there when young and the quality and depth or lack of in their midfield and attack that is behind Elliot's decision that his future will be brighter if he moves to Liverpool.
Quote from: Mike the White on July 11, 2019, 04:23:52 PM
I see the fee has gone to arbitration. Will that be good or bad news?
I think it's the best we could get given that his contract has expired. Up front fee of a few million but probably quite large addons and sell on clause.
He's apparently been offered 60k a week a Liverpool, no wonder we couldn't match that!
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Quote from: mlangstrom on July 13, 2019, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: Mike the White on July 11, 2019, 04:23:52 PM
I see the fee has gone to arbitration. Will that be good or bad news?
I think it's the best we could get given that his contract has expired. Up front fee of a few million but probably quite large addons and sell on clause.
If it goes to form we will have to pay Liverpool about 5 mill.
The below article might give a bit of an indication of what we might possibly receive in compensation
https://live4liverpool.com/2019/07/view-from-the-kop/liverpool-will-be-having-ings-deja-vu-amid-elliott-report/
People who are criticising him for not staying - I find it hard to believe that the majority of you would've turned down a monumental wage when you were 16 especially at a big club.
Let's imagine for one moment that your son/grandson plays his football at the Colchester Youth Academy. Your Fulham, through and through as is your son/grandson and Fulham come knocking. Watched you play want you at their club and can offer you a contract, better conditions, better coaching, training alongside the likes of Mitro, TC etc and a salary above that of most of the senior players at Colchester. Anybody on here give me a believable reason you'd be telling him to stay at Colchester?
Quote from: I Ronic on July 13, 2019, 09:37:35 PM
Let's imagine for one moment that your son/grandson plays his football at the Colchester Youth Academy. Your Fulham, through and through as is your son/grandson and Fulham come knocking. Watched you play want you at their club and can offer you a contract, better conditions, better coaching, training alongside the likes of Mitro, TC etc and a salary above that of most of the senior players at Colchester. Anybody on here give me a believable reason you'd be telling him to stay at Colchester?
I think most people dont like him because of his demeanour more than his decision to move on.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 13, 2019, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: I Ronic on July 13, 2019, 09:37:35 PM
Let's imagine for one moment that your son/grandson plays his football at the Colchester Youth Academy. Your Fulham, through and through as is your son/grandson and Fulham come knocking. Watched you play want you at their club and can offer you a contract, better conditions, better coaching, training alongside the likes of Mitro, TC etc and a salary above that of most of the senior players at Colchester. Anybody on here give me a believable reason you'd be telling him to stay at Colchester?
I think most people dont like him because of his demeanour more than his decision to move on.
What demeanour? Other than having a crap haircut.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 13, 2019, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: I Ronic on July 13, 2019, 09:37:35 PM
Let's imagine for one moment that your son/grandson plays his football at the Colchester Youth Academy. Your Fulham, through and through as is your son/grandson and Fulham come knocking. Watched you play want you at their club and can offer you a contract, better conditions, better coaching, training alongside the likes of Mitro, TC etc and a salary above that of most of the senior players at Colchester. Anybody on here give me a believable reason you'd be telling him to stay at Colchester?
I think most people dont like him because of his demeanour more than his decision to move on.
When it was first suggested he wouldn't sign a contract it was the Clubs fault. His social media stuff has only recently become more common knowledge. I think Southampton have the most success getting players from their academy into their first team and it's not that many.
Dembele was one of the players mentioned above. How long was he with our Academy? 1 year. 8 with PSG.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 13, 2019, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: I Ronic on July 13, 2019, 09:37:35 PM
Let's imagine for one moment that your son/grandson plays his football at the Colchester Youth Academy. Your Fulham, through and through as is your son/grandson and Fulham come knocking. Watched you play want you at their club and can offer you a contract, better conditions, better coaching, training alongside the likes of Mitro, TC etc and a salary above that of most of the senior players at Colchester. Anybody on here give me a believable reason you'd be telling him to stay at Colchester?
I think most people dont like him because of his demeanour more than his decision to move on.
Most people don't like him? Ok.
Also, what is this demeanor that you refer to? Honest question, since I maybe missed something.
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 13, 2019, 10:16:12 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 13, 2019, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: I Ronic on July 13, 2019, 09:37:35 PM
Let's imagine for one moment that your son/grandson plays his football at the Colchester Youth Academy. Your Fulham, through and through as is your son/grandson and Fulham come knocking. Watched you play want you at their club and can offer you a contract, better conditions, better coaching, training alongside the likes of Mitro, TC etc and a salary above that of most of the senior players at Colchester. Anybody on here give me a believable reason you'd be telling him to stay at Colchester?
I think most people dont like him because of his demeanour more than his decision to move on.
Most people don't like him? Ok.
Also, what is this demeanor that you refer to? Honest question, since I maybe missed something.
This is going from what I've seen on social media but people say he comes across with a bit of an attitude and being way too big for his boots. I dont follow him on instagram but apparently a lot of that comes across on his instagram story posts.
Quote from: JoelH5 on July 13, 2019, 10:19:25 PM
This is going from what I've seen on social media but people say he comes across with a bit of an attitude and being way too big for his boots. I dont follow him on instagram but apparently a lot of that comes across on his instagram story posts.
Thanks. Personally I would never mind at all as long as he acts professional towards Fulham, which he may or may not have done. I don't care however if he comes across as cocky, or if he has an unusual haircut. I have noticed though that many do mind stuff like that, and those ridicoulous personal comments always comes to the forefront when people are disappointed (which in this case would be because he leaves Fulham). If you are correct that many Fulham fans dislike his general demeanour (unless there is something more specific to it), then good for him for leaving I guess.
Quote from: I Ronic on July 13, 2019, 09:37:35 PM
Let's imagine for one moment that your son/grandson plays his football at the Colchester Youth Academy. Your Fulham, through and through as is your son/grandson and Fulham come knocking. Watched you play want you at their club and can offer you a contract, better conditions, better coaching, training alongside the likes of Mitro, TC etc and a salary above that of most of the senior players at Colchester. Anybody on here give me a believable reason you'd be telling him to stay at Colchester?
Lets imagine that I had actually supported a club near where I lived and not 250+ miles away and not some big club fanboy, i would say glory hunter but Liverpool havent had much glory over the last 20 odd years , so I wouldnt be sending my 16-year-old son away from his family or seeing him as a cash cow to support me if I make the move with him, let's image if Fulham had recently had a young player come through their academy and gave him first-team football, lets image if that player until last year was one of the most sort after in Europe and could have moved for a large wage with the best wishes of the fans haven't football league experience under his belt, imagine if your son being welcomed whenever he comes back to to a warm welcome to the area he grew up.
Now imagine your son in a city he doesn't know 250 miles from home with loads of money and no friends felling homesick missing his family playing in the reserves, imaging telling him don't worry son your playing for my boyhood club Liverpool reserves and you're earning a package chin up me and you mum will pop up when you can, get some tattoos if your bored it will go with the image you portray of wanting to keep up with the latest fashion find some bimbo to spend your money up, hay next year you can start to learn to drive, but remember to keep sending me and you mum some money, oh what that they want to send you on loan to Coventry to get some first-team football, well it another place you've not visited a chance to make more friends in a city you don't know, its working out great isn't it son its all I dreamed of when I sent you there, it's a good job you didn't stay at Fulham
Going to Liverpool is a risk and seems more money motivated then career-motivated I don't know what sort of family he comes from whether they have money or not, or if his dad is trying to live his football dreams through his son but a barely 16 years old with a chance of first-team football at the club he's at I might well say stay at Colchester get some first-team football they still going to pay you a decent sum of money at a young age and you can make the move to the club of my dreams when you are ready to.
oh well, not ever one can have sensible parents like Sess, now what team did he support as a child, anyone know?
Quote from: St. Andrews White on July 13, 2019, 09:22:44 AM
He's apparently been offered 60k a week a Liverpool, no wonder we couldn't match that!
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I can't claim to know exactly what his wages will be at Liverpool but there's no effing way it will be £60k. Their offer might well be double or triple ours but I suspect our offer is something like £5k pw, so maybe they're offering £10k pw.
60k was reported in the Liverpool Echo, and whilst it might be a bit much, we could easily match 10k. Reckon it's actually at least 30k, otherwise why wouldn't we do our best to keep him?
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Quote from: Statto on July 14, 2019, 10:37:05 AM
Quote from: St. Andrews White on July 13, 2019, 09:22:44 AM
He's apparently been offered 60k a week a Liverpool, no wonder we couldn't match that!
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I can't claim to know exactly what his wages will be at Liverpool but there's no effing way it will be £60k. Their offer might well be double or triple ours but I suspect our offer is something like £5k pw, so maybe they're offering £10k pw.
What on earth will he spend it on. He probably doesn´t shave yet, he can´t drive a car, he is not old enough to drink, can´t have a tattoo. A lot more he can´t do till he is 18. Poor boy. Never mind I am sure his agent will look after his money.
It's his life and he has to handle it the way he wants. It's better to regret what you have done than regret what you didn't do
Good luck to him - can't fault him for wanting guaranteed money I case he doesn't make it!
And for Fulham... well... if you go on the news articles, we could get; £5M + £1.5m + 20% sell on clause.
I will take that for someone that wants to leave anyway.
Quote from: St. Andrews White on July 14, 2019, 11:51:21 AM
60k was reported in the Liverpool Echo, and whilst it might be a bit much, we could easily match 10k. Reckon it's actually at least 30k, otherwise why wouldn't we do our best to keep him?
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We have a structure like every club, that we won't want to break.
I doubt Fredericks' wages at West Ham are more than we're paying Schurrle and Mitro, maybe £70k-£80k, but under our structure we don't pay that to bang average full backs so we had to let him go.
If we start paying £10-20k to teenagers who are nowhere near the first team then fringe players like Djalo, Cisse, Rodak and O'Riley are going to say they should be on £30k+.
For context, according to reports (which im inclined to believe) Sessegnon is only on £8k pw currently, albeit I suspect we're offering him 5x that now.
Sunday People saying we want Liverpool to pay us £9 million pounds for Elliot
Quote from: grandad on July 14, 2019, 11:51:37 AM
Quote from: Statto on July 14, 2019, 10:37:05 AM
Quote from: St. Andrews White on July 13, 2019, 09:22:44 AM
He's apparently been offered 60k a week a Liverpool, no wonder we couldn't match that!
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I can't claim to know exactly what his wages will be at Liverpool but there's no effing way it will be £60k. Their offer might well be double or triple ours but I suspect our offer is something like £5k pw, so maybe they're offering £10k pw.
What on earth will he spend it on. He probably doesn´t shave yet, he can´t drive a car, he is not old enough to drink, can´t have a tattoo. A lot more he can´t do till he is 18. Poor boy. Never mind I am sure his agent will look after his money.
Footballers have special rules for their pension contributions - they are allowed to put most of their wages in a pension pot that can pay out at a much earlier age than the rest of us. It's because their working 'life' is so much shorter.
Quote from: Nero on July 14, 2019, 10:04:46 AM
Quote from: I Ronic on July 13, 2019, 09:37:35 PM
Let's imagine for one moment that your son/grandson plays his football at the Colchester Youth Academy. Your Fulham, through and through as is your son/grandson and Fulham come knocking. Watched you play want you at their club and can offer you a contract, better conditions, better coaching, training alongside the likes of Mitro, TC etc and a salary above that of most of the senior players at Colchester. Anybody on here give me a believable reason you'd be telling him to stay at Colchester?
Lets imagine that I had actually supported a club near where I lived and not 250+ miles away and not some big club fanboy, i would say glory hunter but Liverpool havent had much glory over the last 20 odd years , so I wouldnt be sending my 16-year-old son away from his family or seeing him as a cash cow to support me if I make the move with him, let's image if Fulham had recently had a young player come through their academy and gave him first-team football, lets image if that player until last year was one of the most sort after in Europe and could have moved for a large wage with the best wishes of the fans haven't football league experience under his belt, imagine if your son being welcomed whenever he comes back to to a warm welcome to the area he grew up.
Now imagine your son in a city he doesn't know 250 miles from home with loads of money and no friends felling homesick missing his family playing in the reserves, imaging telling him don't worry son your playing for my boyhood club Liverpool reserves and you're earning a package chin up me and you mum will pop up when you can, get some tattoos if your bored it will go with the image you portray of wanting to keep up with the latest fashion find some bimbo to spend your money up, hay next year you can start to learn to drive, but remember to keep sending me and you mum some money, oh what that they want to send you on loan to Coventry to get some first-team football, well it another place you've not visited a chance to make more friends in a city you don't know, its working out great isn't it son its all I dreamed of when I sent you there, it's a good job you didn't stay at Fulham
Going to Liverpool is a risk and seems more money motivated then career-motivated I don't know what sort of family he comes from whether they have money or not, or if his dad is trying to live his football dreams through his son but a barely 16 years old with a chance of first-team football at the club he's at I might well say stay at Colchester get some first-team football they still going to pay you a decent sum of money at a young age and you can make the move to the club of my dreams when you are ready to.
oh well, not ever one can have sensible parents like Sess, now what team did he support as a child, anyone know?
You sound so bitter towards a kid, it is untrue.
Quote from: Dr Quinzel on July 15, 2019, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: Nero on July 14, 2019, 10:04:46 AM
Quote from: I Ronic on July 13, 2019, 09:37:35 PM
Let's imagine for one moment that your son/grandson plays his football at the Colchester Youth Academy. Your Fulham, through and through as is your son/grandson and Fulham come knocking. Watched you play want you at their club and can offer you a contract, better conditions, better coaching, training alongside the likes of Mitro, TC etc and a salary above that of most of the senior players at Colchester. Anybody on here give me a believable reason you'd be telling him to stay at Colchester?
Lets imagine that I had actually supported a club near where I lived and not 250+ miles away and not some big club fanboy, i would say glory hunter but Liverpool havent had much glory over the last 20 odd years , so I wouldnt be sending my 16-year-old son away from his family or seeing him as a cash cow to support me if I make the move with him, let's image if Fulham had recently had a young player come through their academy and gave him first-team football, lets image if that player until last year was one of the most sort after in Europe and could have moved for a large wage with the best wishes of the fans haven't football league experience under his belt, imagine if your son being welcomed whenever he comes back to to a warm welcome to the area he grew up.
Now imagine your son in a city he doesn't know 250 miles from home with loads of money and no friends felling homesick missing his family playing in the reserves, imaging telling him don't worry son your playing for my boyhood club Liverpool reserves and you're earning a package chin up me and you mum will pop up when you can, get some tattoos if your bored it will go with the image you portray of wanting to keep up with the latest fashion find some bimbo to spend your money up, hay next year you can start to learn to drive, but remember to keep sending me and you mum some money, oh what that they want to send you on loan to Coventry to get some first-team football, well it another place you've not visited a chance to make more friends in a city you don't know, its working out great isn't it son its all I dreamed of when I sent you there, it's a good job you didn't stay at Fulham
Going to Liverpool is a risk and seems more money motivated then career-motivated I don't know what sort of family he comes from whether they have money or not, or if his dad is trying to live his football dreams through his son but a barely 16 years old with a chance of first-team football at the club he's at I might well say stay at Colchester get some first-team football they still going to pay you a decent sum of money at a young age and you can make the move to the club of my dreams when you are ready to.
oh well, not ever one can have sensible parents like Sess, now what team did he support as a child, anyone know?
I actually believe it was Fulham.
Quote from: Statto on July 14, 2019, 01:40:02 PM
Quote from: St. Andrews White on July 14, 2019, 11:51:21 AM
60k was reported in the Liverpool Echo, and whilst it might be a bit much, we could easily match 10k. Reckon it's actually at least 30k, otherwise why wouldn't we do our best to keep him?
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We have a structure like every club, that we won't want to break.
I doubt Fredericks' wages at West Ham are more than we're paying Schurrle and Mitro, maybe £70k-£80k, but under our structure we don't pay that to bang average full backs so we had to let him go.
If we start paying £10-20k to teenagers who are nowhere near the first team then fringe players like Djalo, Cisse, Rodak and O'Riley are going to say they should be on £30k+.
For context, according to reports (which im inclined to believe) Sessegnon is only on £8k pw currently, albeit I suspect we're offering him 5x that now.
I do believe it was quoted on here the players wages, cannot find it. But sess and odoi were both on 8.5 k per week.
Ryan Sess was a Liverpool fan as a kid, Gang. However, it varies as to what your club as a kid means to you - I have mates who are 'fans' but never go, and then you have 'fans' who are EVERY game, so what Liverpool meant to Ryan isn't necessarily what it means to Harvey - it isn't necessarily apples for apples as a comparison.
The kid wants not to be here so get him out the club quick.
The thing is it is not just a footballing decision
Quote from: Andy S on July 15, 2019, 04:00:36 PM
The thing is it is not just a footballing decision
he piggy backs every move!! Get him out an away as he's piosen to the club!!!
Liverpool fans on Twitter are posting that this deal is going to be announced tonight as their Twitter page has removed it's pinned tweet (they are presuming it's to announce a new signing and most guessing Elliott).
Buy Buy Harvey, i'm glad that we nurtured you and that you appreciate our club.
Y'know what... just go!
Quote from: Statto on July 14, 2019, 10:37:05 AM
Quote from: St. Andrews White on July 13, 2019, 09:22:44 AM
He's apparently been offered 60k a week a Liverpool, no wonder we couldn't match that!
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I can't claim to know exactly what his wages will be at Liverpool but there's no effing way it will be £60k. Their offer might well be double or triple ours but I suspect our offer is something like £5k pw, so maybe they're offering £10k pw.
Don't know if this is still the case but remember this from a while ago. If it is, then the talk of high wages may be irrelevant
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/13/liverpool-introduce-40000-a-year-salary-cap-academy-players-jurgen-klopp
Quote from: Barrett487 on July 15, 2019, 10:34:10 PM
Buy Buy Harvey, i'm glad that we nurtured you and that you appreciate our club.
Y'know what... just go!
I say
Sell Sell!
Just get rid of the bun boy ASAP. Let us concentrate on players who want to play for our club.
In a pub in Wallasey to-night, next to Liverpool
The jovial barman seemed very happy when I said you have stolen one of ours, he says ahh your a Fulham fan then
He wonders whether Harvey "will he get enough playing time / opportunity?!"
I reminded him (the barman) that our last "sale" to the Pool didn't quite work out very well for them (our dear old Woy) but that we were very happy with their Kevin Keegan before that!!
Harvey lad, just be very careful what you wish for, the proverbial grass isn't always greener
This also applies to young Sess x 2
Before Roy it was that useful full back Steve Finnan but before that it was Richard Money and that didn't work out too well for them
After that Paul Koncheski. I just think they are trying to get revenge.
Hasn't he gone yet?
Dragging on like a third rate Soap Opera😒
