I just dont get what onomah brings to the team he just doesn't look like he wants to be here .
Surely O Reilly is worth a run .It seems to me that Scott is trying to show us that we got a great player in the Sess deal ànd that he can bring the best out of him but I just dont see it
Part of me thinks he seems worse than he is because he never plays, and part of me doesn't care to wait to see what he's got. We're a football club, not a charity.
Struggled pretty badly. Has good size, won the ball in some crucial spots when we doubled up with Reed - but his passing was wayward and put the receiver in poor position. Unlike Reid, I don't think Parker needs to keep sending Onomah into the matches. He just continues to struggle, and we cannot necessarily afford to keep trialing him like this.
As I've said on another thread Onamah definitely doesn't look like he wants to be at CC. He brings nothing to the team and for the life of me I can't See why SP persists with him. The soiner he goes the better imo
I get the impression that onomah doesn't look happy or interested. he is the only one I have seen this season that hasn't been giving everything. like or not like some of the team everyone is gving everything, usually, with good body language... onomah is different, he is playing for himself not the team and if he can sort his head out he would probably be OK..... He should look at christie, he has had a terrible time, no confidence, all sorts of problems, came on and grabbed his chance playing really well.
Fulham have a recent history of the upper management pulling their weight when it comes to who should play.
You cannot blame Parker alone.... the deal is that he will cooperate with Tony better than Joka.
You can blame the whole Fulham's management set up though.
Quote from: ALG01 on November 10, 2019, 12:15:42 AM
I get the impression that onomah doesn't look happy or interested. he is the only one I have seen this season that hasn't been giving everything. like or not like some of the team everyone is gving everything, usually, with good body language... onomah is different, he is playing for himself not the team and if he can sort his head out he would probably be OK..... He should look at christie, he has had a terrible time, no confidence, all sorts of problems, came on and grabbed his chance playing really well.
Well said, I'd agree with his body language indeed. Think he does need to find some guidance from players in similar positional battles. I'm no where near ready to write him off though. The last time I did that, to any Fulham player, was Zambo - boy was I wrong.
Quote from: Fulham 442 on November 09, 2019, 10:01:42 PM
As I've said on another thread Onamah definitely doesn't look like he wants to be at CC. He brings nothing to the team and for the life of me I can't See why SP persists with him. The soiner he goes the better imo
This sounds like what some have said about Cyrus...who had a good game today. I haven't seen anything in Josh's demeanor to imply he doesn't want to play for Fulham. He's just playing poorly.
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Quote from: Fulham 442 on November 09, 2019, 10:01:42 PM
As I've said on another thread Onamah definitely doesn't look like he wants to be at CC. He brings nothing to the team and for the life of me I can't See why SP persists with him. The soiner he goes the better imo
This sounds like what some have said about Cyrus...who had a good game today. I haven't seen anything in Josh's demeanor to imply he doesn't want to play for Fulham. He's just playing poorly.
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Fans shouldn't writeoff players too early that we have invested in. Onamah needs to go back to the training ground work hard so that next time he gets 10 mins he makes a difference.
Let us not forget that Betts, Fredericks, Ream, Bryan and Anguiissa all had times they couldn't make the first XI. I hope KMac has been training hard, because he still has another 20 games out of those legs for Fulham.
Hes played in about four different positions in each game he's played. I'm yet to see anything to pin any hope on, but I have to also give him his dues and not write him off.
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Quote from: Dr Quinzel on November 10, 2019, 09:32:32 AM
Hes played in about four different positions in each game he's played. I'm yet to see anything to pin any hope on, but I have to also give him his dues and not write him off.
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has he played the holding role yet, as he is a big lump and is quite mobile with it, so seems a natural fit to me
I certainly will not write him off until he has had a chance to show what he is about in a more settled and stable environment. He is not the only person guilty of stray passes in this team, but I am guessing that is a confidence issue. Christie is, perhaps, showing him a way forward.
Sorry imo he looks uninterested,unfit, awkward and he is making AK47 look like a footballer.
Just to be clear im not writting him off because he makes mistakes or bad passes everybody does that its just that he really doesnt look bothered its like he thinks he is too good for us and the championship
Given Cyrus's display today and the dislike of him shown by vocal members of the crowd in many previous games there is little doubt his attitude to the club and the shirt is commendable. :54:
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Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on November 09, 2019, 07:55:33 PM
I just dont get what onomah brings to the team he just doesn't look like he wants to be here .
Surely O Reilly is worth a run .It seems to me that Scott is trying to show us that we got a great player in the Sess deal ànd that he can bring the best out of him but I just dont see it
O'Riley has a new contract to sign, if he plays before he signs then he'll be leaving to Tottenham next season, while Onamah is a Fulham player now and not leaving.
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Quote from: Finnans Right Peg on November 09, 2019, 07:55:33 PM
I just dont get what onomah brings to the team he just doesn't look like he wants to be here .
Surely O Reilly is worth a run .It seems to me that Scott is trying to show us that we got a great player in the Sess deal ànd that he can bring the best out of him but I just dont see it
O'Riley has a new contract to sign, if he plays before he signs then he'll be leaving to Tottenham next season, while Onamah is a Fulham player now and not leaving.
But if he doesn't play why would he sign a new contract I know I wouldn't sign a new contract at a club where i wasn't getting game time or even on the bench
A makeweight in a Cash deal with Spurs, don't expect too much.
Don't forget Wells in all of this, he knows him a lot better than Parker.
Personally I have yet to see anything from him that makes me think, yep he's got something. So you have to trust the management on this one.
He looks way out of his depth. Based on his performance so far he shouldn't even be on the bench IMO. At least not yet. Hopefully he just needs some time.
Yesterday he was poor but honestly you can't be writing him off till he's had a few starts
The below video I made https://streamable.com/oi4vy hopefully shows that he does infact have quality .. even if he hasn't showed it yet
Bring back Seri or Anguissa!!
Simply not good enough - harsh but true.
Quote from: @jolslover on November 10, 2019, 10:34:14 AM
Yesterday he was poor but honestly you can't be writing him off till he's had a few starts
The below video I made https://streamable.com/oi4vy hopefully shows that he does infact have quality .. even if he hasn't showed it yet
problem with that is that he doesn't warrant a start, and some would say even a place on the bench
Nice video Jolslover. Most of it when he was younger and more mobile. He clearly has an eye for a pass and can shoot but in his appearances for us so far he looks too bulky and a tad slow thinking. Its not clear what his best position is. He looks better with the ball in front of him where he can run into space and has time to settle on the ball. I'm not sure he fits our close passing game.
The guy clearly has ability and from the many short clips, he also has a trick or two, which would give us another option when trying to open teams up.
Problem is, he currently looks slow and lethargic and not sure we can afford to carry him while he settles in and finds his form.
Quote from: howitis on November 10, 2019, 11:31:12 AM
Simply not good enough - harsh but true.
It doesn't sound harsh to me, so much as it sounds uninformed and knee-jerky. But what do I know, maybe you have watched him closely even before he joined us, and as such are not basing your opinion on his very limited appearances in multiple positions for us.
This thread mostly says to me that quite a few people on here will always look for someone or something to complain about. Also love the conspiracy theorists ideas about how it is either a prestige project for Parker (so much that he rather loses a game than keep Onomah on the bench), or my personal favorite that the Khans are deciding who plays. Maybe someone's correct, but it sounds to me like very uneducated guesses at best.
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Quote from: howitis on November 10, 2019, 11:31:12 AM
Simply not good enough - harsh but true.
It doesn't sound harsh to me, so much as it sounds uninformed and knee-jerky. But what do I know, maybe you have watched him closely even before he joined us, and as such are not basing your opinion on his very limited appearances in multiple positions for us.
This thread mostly says to me that quite a few people on here will always look for someone or something to complain about. Also love the conspiracy theorists ideas about how it is either a prestige project for Parker (so much that he rather loses a game than keep Onomah on the bench), or my personal favorite that the Khans are deciding who plays. Maybe someone's correct, but it sounds to me like very uneducated guesses at best.
Hmmm uninformed for suggesting Onomah has shown much to warrant a spot in this team seems a stretch. I'm not writing the lad off but i'm far from convinced by his contributions thus far.
I read here he got 10 minutes. Anyone who has ever played, do you want to come in last 10 minutes (cold and wet!!)? Impossible to play well. When I played (90 at the back) I did not want the ball first 10 minutes. Still going through my warm up and barking orders for those in front of me (to protect me). 1500.gif
Quote from: jarv on November 10, 2019, 01:05:48 PM
I read here he got 10 minutes. Anyone who has ever played, do you want to come in last 10 minutes (cold and wet!!)? Impossible to play well. When I played (90 at the back) I did not want the ball first 10 minutes. Still going through my warm up and barking orders for those in front of me (to protect me). 1500.gif
Exactly
He's played a total of 120 minutes in the league, and not more than 25 minutes in any single game. Only start was the Boro game when he got taken after 20 minutes to allow Bettinelli to come on.
He's young, has the raw attributes to be a good player, and has already been an important part of a Championship team that made the play-offs (Villa in 17/18)
Absolute madness to write him off at this stage
He deserves his opportunities just like everyone else. Already Rodak, Reed and arguably Reid, and now maybe even Christie, have worked their way into our best XI, despite not being in anyone's best XI at the start of the season. Onomah could push someone like Johansen for a starting place if he got some form and confidence.
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Quote from: howitis on November 10, 2019, 11:31:12 AM
Simply not good enough - harsh but true.
It doesn't sound harsh to me, so much as it sounds uninformed and knee-jerky. But what do I know, maybe you have watched him closely even before he joined us, and as such are not basing your opinion on his very limited appearances in multiple positions for us.
This thread mostly says to me that quite a few people on here will always look for someone or something to complain about. Also love the conspiracy theorists ideas about how it is either a prestige project for Parker (so much that he rather loses a game than keep Onomah on the bench), or my personal favorite that the Khans are deciding who plays. Maybe someone's correct, but it sounds to me like very uneducated guesses at best.
Hmmm uninformed for suggesting Onomah has shown much to warrant a spot in this team seems a stretch. I'm not writing the lad off but i'm far from convinced by his contributions thus far.
No, not at all what I wrote. I meant uninformed as in lacking sufficient information for concluding he is simply not good enough (I.e. writing him off). As in the quoted post.
I think he one of those players where the game can be to easy for him and will just drift like ravel Morrison. Needs sitting down and saying you not made the grade at Tottenham you've not broken into the first team here so far you need to wake up before you end up as a journeyman player and get a grip of your talent and show at
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Quote from: howitis on November 10, 2019, 11:31:12 AM
Simply not good enough - harsh but true.
It doesn't sound harsh to me, so much as it sounds uninformed and knee-jerky. But what do I know, maybe you have watched him closely even before he joined us, and as such are not basing your opinion on his very limited appearances in multiple positions for us.
This thread mostly says to me that quite a few people on here will always look for someone or something to complain about. Also love the conspiracy theorists ideas about how it is either a prestige project for Parker (so much that he rather loses a game than keep Onomah on the bench), or my personal favorite that the Khans are deciding who plays. Maybe someone's correct, but it sounds to me like very uneducated guesses at best.
Hmmm uninformed for suggesting Onomah has shown much to warrant a spot in this team seems a stretch. I'm not writing the lad off but i'm far from convinced by his contributions thus far.
No, not at all what I wrote. I meant uninformed as in lacking sufficient information for concluding he is simply not good enough (I.e. writing him off). As in the quoted post.
Ok, I didn't take it that way when I read it. But fair enough.
Quote from: LittleErn on November 10, 2019, 12:39:20 PM
Nice video Jolslover. Most of it when he was younger and more mobile. He clearly has an eye for a pass and can shoot but in his appearances for us so far he looks too bulky and a tad slow thinking. Its not clear what his best position is. He looks better with the ball in front of him where he can run into space and has time to settle on the ball. I'm not sure he fits our close passing game.
Agreed. I'm holding out hope that he'll get better with time, but currently he looks like Anguissa after the 50th minute last season...the only difference is Josh looks nackered after 10 minutes. And Anguissa was much better on the ball than Josh.
But...he helped get the second goal so I'll cut him slack...again.
His effort levels need to double immediately though.
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I think he does try hard, and was indirectly involved in the first goal, as well as the second.
He did some good things, won the ball a few times, but also often wasted possession.
Obviously Parker and the coaching staff see something in him, and I also see some positive signs, but can we afford to have him in the team while he gets up to pace.
We really need Arter back.
No sign of improvement again, out of his depth!!!
Hope reid is back soon
I think he would struggle in the U23s. He should be no where near the first team.
There were signs that he can be of nuisance value. His mistake on a goal scoring chance gave Mitro the opportunity to score his second goal,
Hard to see how he will start in our next match.
One cannot see why Fulham persist playing this 'lightweight' Spurs reject. If he was not deemed good enough by failed manager Pochettino then why is he in the centre of Fulham's midfield, showing little desire or workrate? I saw one instance where he ran into the back of an opponet on the wing, then continued to run into the player's back until eventually the referee awarded a foul. This is simply not good enough!
I can't work out if he simply peaked at 17 like many do, or he's lost interest or or or....etc. What I do know is that we can't afford to play him in his current incarnation. Scott P may have left him on in the hope that some of that magic of a few years back would emerge but he simply trotted back or alongside Swansea players without putting in a tackle. Give me Cyrus or KMac for these gritty away matches. And Cav needs to find a bit of his old magic too - he's gone flat. Can see Derby line-up being our first choice. Looking forward to 6ft 4in Hector to give us a bigger presence in opposition penalty area
Shame that the concensus of opinion amongst us is that he is not good enough, did he want to come and play for us in the first place, did he have any choice? He has the athletic build, must have been rated by his former club, who was it again (lol). We have wasted a lot more money in the last couple of years buying players, ok I will remain patient, we did win again!
I really would like him to succeed (as I do all players in a Fulham shirt) and he did some decent things tonight, especially in the 2nd half, but he just looks like a young guy with some energy who's agreed to make up the numbers in a mate's football team. And please don't say that he 'contributed' to the second goal - he miskicked horribly.
A quality player would have scored not fallen over and a fortunate miss pass to Mitro to score, please don´t give him a credit of an assist, but I will!
Inept performance again,can't pass very little ball control IMO he would struggle with a 2nd division team.
I was desperate for him to have a good
Moment that might provide a spring board confidence moment . The ' assist ' for Mitro
Was hide behind the sofa stuff ( thank god for Mitro ) . That said , he didn't hide and kept running and I really hope he has an AK style moment that fires
Him forward . I don't want any of players to fail
Look, i'm not a Parkerite, but i have to believe that he saw some potential in Onomah and vice versa that made him agree to signing, and that the player saw a path of progression in him. Five years from now we may be lauding his skills.
Quote from: Barrett487 on November 29, 2019, 10:20:16 PM
Look, i'm not a Parkerite, but i have to believe that he saw some potential in Onomah and vice versa that made him agree to signing, and that the player saw a path of progression in him. Five years from now we may be lauding his skills.
lets hope we are lauding his skills. But our first team at the moment is not the place for him to hone them. This is a tough league and we need to be strong in every position. Granted we have lots of injuries, but we could easily jog around the team so as not to need him to start
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Quote from: Barrett487 on November 29, 2019, 10:20:16 PM
Look, i'm not a Parkerite, but i have to believe that he saw some potential in Onomah and vice versa that made him agree to signing, and that the player saw a path of progression in him. Five years from now we may be lauding his skills.
lets hope we are lauding his skills. But our first team at the moment is not the place for him to hone them. This is a tough league and we need to be strong in every position. Granted we have lots of injuries, but we could easily jog around the team so as not to need him to start
Glass half full Ben?
Quote from: Southcoastffc on November 29, 2019, 10:15:08 PM
I really would like him to succeed (as I do all players in a Fulham shirt) and he did some decent things tonight, especially in the 2nd half, but he just looks like a young guy with some energy who's agreed to make up the numbers in a mate's football team. And please don't say that he 'contributed' to the second goal - he miskicked horribly.
Did you miss how he intercepted the Swansea (poor) pass? THAT was how he contributed to the goal, not the missed kick.
A win against play off contenders. Away from home. He's obviously not relaxed and settled, but it's not stopped us getting all three. He may yet prove an important player for us this season. Patience needed. No need to rush to judgement.
He reminds me of Ollie Norwood, who took ages to get the hang of our passing patterns. Did alright for us, doing even better for Sheffield.
4 wins in 4. Didn't see that coming as they trudged off after Hull. Couldn't see us getting 4 points in the next 4.
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Quote from: Southcoastffc on November 29, 2019, 10:15:08 PM
I really would like him to succeed (as I do all players in a Fulham shirt) and he did some decent things tonight, especially in the 2nd half, but he just looks like a young guy with some energy who's agreed to make up the numbers in a mate's football team. And please don't say that he 'contributed' to the second goal - he miskicked horribly.
Did you miss how he intercepted the Swansea (poor) pass? THAT was how he contributed to the goal, not the missed kick.
True.
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Look, i'm not a Parkerite, but i have to believe that he saw some potential in Onomah and vice versa that made him agree to signing, and that the player saw a path of progression in him. Five years from now we may be lauding his skills.
lets hope we are lauding his skills. But our first team at the moment is not the place for him to hone them. This is a tough league and we need to be strong in every position. Granted we have lots of injuries, but we could easily jog around the team so as not to need him to start
Glass half full Ben?
recent results have started to make it seem that way. Really hope we start to close the gap soon though as I hated the play offs. Yes it was fantastic once the final whistle had gone, but my god I was so nervous from the first leg at derby, that I just felt sick to my stomach for weeks. I so want autos this year, which is why I'm being a little impatient with Onomah. I don't feel it's the right time to take a punt on him, especially as he appears to offer very little, from the few occassions that he has played. I couldn't even tell you what I think he's natural position could be, or even what his strengths are other than being a lump
Give him a break , he intercepted for the 2nd goal .
The mere fact this thread has sprung up after a Fulham victory, and despite Omomah's interception for Fulham's first goal, shows the widely held view so many Fulham supporters observe. Surely Parker will smell the coffee??
Far from terrible IMO - acceptable performance given he's a stand-in and probably only playing because Reed, Reid and Arter are all out
Nonetheless he was a level (or two) below the rest of our front 6 tonight
And actually, he was given a full 90 minutes to show his stuff and I'm not even sure he did enough to stay ahead of McDonald in the pecking order
Quote from: Statto on November 29, 2019, 11:04:22 PM
Far from terrible IMO - acceptable performance given he's a stand-in and probably only playing because Reed, Reid and Arter are all out
Nonetheless he was a level (or two) below the rest of our front 6 tonight
And actually, he was given a full 90 minutes to show his stuff and I'm not even sure he did enough to stay ahead of McDonald in the pecking order
I generally agree with this, although have to point out that he only got 80 or so minutes (I know that's kind of beside the point). I was not impressed with either Cairney or Kamara generally today however, especially first half. Didn't think Onomah was much worse than them. In my book Onomah was one of several players not impressing me. I do however know that the others can play better, but have still to see that from Onomah.
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Quote from: Statto on November 29, 2019, 11:04:22 PM
Far from terrible IMO - acceptable performance given he's a stand-in and probably only playing because Reed, Reid and Arter are all out
Nonetheless he was a level (or two) below the rest of our front 6 tonight
And actually, he was given a full 90 minutes to show his stuff and I'm not even sure he did enough to stay ahead of McDonald in the pecking order
I generally agree with this, although have to point out that he only got 80 or so minutes (I know that's kind of beside the point). I was not impressed with either Cairney or Kamara generally today however, especially first half. Didn't think Onomah was much worse than them. In my book Onomah was one of several players not impressing me. I do however know that the others can play better, but have still to see that from Onomah.
Hmmm, there must have been 10+ occasions that Cairney received the ball in a crowded position and used his skill and ball control to make the space for a good pass. I'm not sure Onomah did that even once. I know it's all about opinions but I'm sure the footage would back up that contrast.
Wasn't overly impressed. Felt like a passenger at times but can't be too critical. He didn't do enough to warrant praise but still worked hard and put himself about. We have better and I don't feel took his chance really.
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Quote from: Statto on November 29, 2019, 11:04:22 PM
Far from terrible IMO - acceptable performance given he's a stand-in and probably only playing because Reed, Reid and Arter are all out
Nonetheless he was a level (or two) below the rest of our front 6 tonight
And actually, he was given a full 90 minutes to show his stuff and I'm not even sure he did enough to stay ahead of McDonald in the pecking order
I generally agree with this, although have to point out that he only got 80 or so minutes (I know that's kind of beside the point). I was not impressed with either Cairney or Kamara generally today however, especially first half. Didn't think Onomah was much worse than them. In my book Onomah was one of several players not impressing me. I do however know that the others can play better, but have still to see that from Onomah.
Hmmm, there must have been 10+ occasions that Cairney received the ball in a crowded position and used his skill and ball control to make the space for a good pass. I'm not sure Onomah did that even once. I know it's all about opinions but I'm sure the footage would back up that contrast.
You may well be correct, especially as that sounds exactly like he usually plays. Couldn't really watch the game as closely as I would have liked since I also had work to do. So more of a general impression. Wasn't impressed by the lack of protection for the back 4 for the first 30 minutes or so especially.
Quote from: Carborundum on November 29, 2019, 10:29:16 PM
A win against play off contenders. Away from home. He's obviously not relaxed and settled, but it's not stopped us getting all three. He may yet prove an important player for us this season. Patience needed. No need to rush to judgement.
He reminds me of Ollie Norwood, who took ages to get the hang of our passing patterns. Did alright for us, doing even better for Sheffield.
4 wins in 4. Didn't see that coming as they trudged off after Hull. Couldn't see us getting 4 points in the next 4.
He is a useful member of the 18 as he can play a few positions decently while adding a physical presence. I watched a great deal of him while he was with Tottenham and think this might be his level. A squad player in the Championship. No shame in that.
As much as some may not like it. Our two goals do not happen without him on the pitch. The first goal he played a part by first making a terrible pass at the top of their box, but makes up for it by chasing down Ayew and forcing him into a tough spot, where he loses the ball. The second goal, he reads the back pass and intercepts the ball, then, of course, finds himself in a good spot but whiffs.
Some good things, some areas to improve upon, especially on his awareness of what is around him. Often times he was dispossessed from simply not looking at what's around him. I'd also want him to put in more effort like he did one time where we were surely going to concede a chance, but he managed to track back far enough. However, there were times when he was a bit lackadaisical in getting back. If I had to grade his performance, it'd be a D+ . He needs more time, but I'm happy he was at least on the pitch to be part of the goals.
80 minutes of Onoma doesn't say much for the bench.
I'm not going to use some of the hyperbole that some are using in regard to Onomah. He hasn't actually played a lot of minutes for us yet so jury for me is out.... But as the case laid out to me so far I'm struggling to see what he offers. Clearly he's a fav of Parker and Wells, and any fan would want him to do well, but I'm finding it difficult to say much that's positive about him. Using AK as an example, even early on I thought his pace, strength were great assests, with Onomah I'm not sure what his strengths are.
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Quote from: Barrett487 on November 29, 2019, 10:20:16 PM
Look, i'm not a Parkerite, but i have to believe that he saw some potential in Onomah and vice versa that made him agree to signing, and that the player saw a path of progression in him. Five years from now we may be lauding his skills.
lets hope we are lauding his skills. But our first team at the moment is not the place for him to hone them. This is a tough league and we need to be strong in every position. Granted we have lots of injuries, but we could easily jog around the team so as not to need him to start
I don't think Onomah was particularly happy to be leaving Spurs. Whatever Parker saw in him whilst he was coaching there seems to have evaporated. Some posters were saying we couldn't judge him fairly until he started and got some decent game time. Well now he has and I am definitely of the opinion he's not good enough, Hopefully he will improve, although I haven't seen much to suggest he will, but our first team is not a suitable training ground.
Like others I always find it hard to assess players om a few minutes played here and there. And the odd start is definitely not enough to make a coherent assessment of a player.
At the start of the game I thought he found it hard to get into his role, nerves or whatever, but he did settle and whilst he was not 'a star is born' he was okay up to a point and did make some contributions. He clearly needs more game time and a more defined role since he isn't a natural fit on last night's performance. Clearly a player who grows on you rather than the person you most want to be on the ball. But I think people write him off at their peril. He seems to need remedial work in coaching for fitness, strength and stamina to make up for low game time and once he is moving a bit better then he may play better too. His confidence must be quite low.
Quote from: MJG on November 30, 2019, 07:38:20 AM
I'm not going to use some of the hyperbole that some are using in regard to Onomah. He hasn't actually played a lot of minutes for us yet so jury for me is out.... But as the case laid out to me so far I'm struggling to see what he offers. Clearly he's a fav of Parker and Wells, and any fan would want him to do well, but I'm finding it difficult to say much that's positive about him. Using AK as an example, even early on I thought his pace, strength were great assests, with Onomah I'm not sure what his strengths are.
:plus one: Sums up my view. Hope Onomah changes my mind.
seems a bit off the pace,which is hardly surprising since he lacks playing time. Not great but nowhere near as bad as som are making out.
I think Onomah was average but not awful so itbis what it is. Artur, Reid and Reed will be above him in the pecking order!
Looks like we're trying to find a scapegoat, he's not an automatic selection to start and nor should he be, but he can do a squad job and does
Quote from: snarks on November 30, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
Looks like we're trying to find a scapegoat, he's not an automatic selection to start and nor should he be, but he can do a squad job and does
Not sure about that, general consensus is we are expecting more than we are seeing... You can correct me if thats wrong.... But hardly a scapegoat in a win, just mainly comments on how he played. In any game there will the 11th starter who is the 'worst' on the pitch. Doesn't mean they played badly, just out of the starters he was ranked 11th. Could win a game 10-0 and that would still be true.
And don't just look at last night. Ok, he's not had many minutes but when he's come on as a sub, as he has done in several games, he's been pretty poor. He often looks clumsy and uncoordinated.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on November 30, 2019, 10:13:45 AM
And don't just look at last night. Ok, he's not had many minutes but when he's come on as a sub, as he has done in several games, he's been pretty poor. He often looks clumsy and uncoordinated.
exactly that, I can't think of one circumstance where you would say Parker needs to bring on Onomah ASAP. I just don't see what he brings at all
Quote from: MJG on November 30, 2019, 10:07:58 AM
Quote from: snarks on November 30, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
Looks like we're trying to find a scapegoat, he's not an automatic selection to start and nor should he be, but he can do a squad job and does
Not sure about that, general consensus is we are expecting more than we are seeing... You can correct me if thats wrong.... But hardly a scapegoat in a win, just mainly comments on how he played. In any game there will the 11th starter who is the 'worst' on the pitch. Doesn't mean they played badly, just out of the starters he was ranked 11th. Could win a game 10-0 and that would still be true.
In a nutshell.
Onomah hasn't impressed; I am fine with that assessment by those who wish to make it, but it does indicate an 'expectation' that the observer would be 'impressed'. I am not sure what Onomah's best position is let alone the role it was anticipated he would play at FFC when he was signed in the summer. He has a certain ungainly movement that reminds me a little of other Fulham players who have taken a while to be understood for their good points rather than their bad ones. But he is here and his former coaches, who have spoken highly of him, have a point to prove to the rest of us and should concentrate on getting him up to the level where we can all see what they saw. The alternative outcome is that there was never anything to see because the lad is stuck on a plateau and isn't going to move off it anytime soon. That may mean he was a 'bad' signing for FFC but not, necessarily, a 'bad player, period'. I hope he proves to be an asset player either through utility or by becoming a trusted player in a definite role.
Quote from: Matt10 on November 30, 2019, 04:11:27 AM
As much as some may not like it. Our two goals do not happen without him on the pitch. The first goal he played a part by first making a terrible pass at the top of their box, but makes up for it by chasing down Ayew and forcing him into a tough spot, where he loses the ball. The second goal, he reads the back pass and intercepts the ball, then, of course, finds himself in a good spot but whiffs.
Some good things, some areas to improve upon, especially on his awareness of what is around him. Often times he was dispossessed from simply not looking at what's around him. I'd also want him to put in more effort like he did one time where we were surely going to concede a chance, but he managed to track back far enough. However, there were times when he was a bit lackadaisical in getting back. If I had to grade his performance, it'd be a D+ . He needs more time, but I'm happy he was at least on the pitch to be part of the goals.
I'd agree with this, we've got to give him bit of time to get into the game. Not only instrumental in both goals but also made a superb interception just inside our box when it looked like their player was going to be able to pass through ball into our net. Not a great performance, but a but like piazon last night, key to our goals.
One of the main issues last night was how often he recieved the ball and then just had a Swansea player nick it off of him. I agree with that I don't really see what he brings, he is fairly clumsy at tackling, not a good passer and his technique is below par.
Would rather Parker gave a shot to O'Riley with all our injuries, but he seems to rate Onomah. Hopefully he can show why in the future since Parker will keep playing him, but I remain unconvinced.
He made the second goal with a very good interception
He made one outstanding tackle in the box to stop a shot
Lay off him, he isnt exactly Fotheringham
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Quote from: Statto on November 29, 2019, 11:04:22 PM
Far from terrible IMO - acceptable performance given he's a stand-in and probably only playing because Reed, Reid and Arter are all out
Nonetheless he was a level (or two) below the rest of our front 6 tonight
And actually, he was given a full 90 minutes to show his stuff and I'm not even sure he did enough to stay ahead of McDonald in the pecking order
I generally agree with this, although have to point out that he only got 80 or so minutes (I know that's kind of beside the point). I was not impressed with either Cairney or Kamara generally today however, especially first half. Didn't think Onomah was much worse than them. In my book Onomah was one of several players not impressing me. I do however know that the others can play better, but have still to see that from Onomah.
Can't agree with the Cairney criticism.
Imo, he and Stephjo were again outstanding tonight.
They seem to have clicked into a very powerful passing/tackling partnership. This allowed Onomah to be a relatively free agent in the midfield.
Let's face it, if they hadn't been so on point, Onomah's deficiencies would have been far more noticeable.
A good win away from home against a very good attacking team tho.
COYW!
Quote from: MJG on November 30, 2019, 07:38:20 AM
I'm not going to use some of the hyperbole that some are using in regard to Onomah. He hasn't actually played a lot of minutes for us yet so jury for me is out.... But as the case laid out to me so far I'm struggling to see what he offers. Clearly he's a fav of Parker and Wells, and any fan would want him to do well, but I'm finding it difficult to say much that's positive about him. Using AK as an example, even early on I thought his pace, strength were great assests, with Onomah I'm not sure what his strengths are.
Agree
Slow in thought, slow in body and seems to lack awareness of what's around him, which is a pre-requisite for a midfielder at any level.
Hurry back Harry x 2 and Bobby.
If we need cover for Tom, for me it has to be young O'Reilly. I'm afraid we're not strong enough to carry Onomah, who seems lazy and either unable or unwilling to bust a gut to get into good positions.
On present form, I'm afraid I don't even see Josh as a squad player. Just my view.
Quote from: sunburywhite on November 30, 2019, 12:32:52 PM
He made the second goal with a very good interception
He made one outstanding tackle in the box to stop a shot
Lay off him, he isnt exactly Fotheringham
Correct, we should have kept him ......NOT!!
Quote from: Tabby on November 30, 2019, 12:28:36 PM
One of the main issues last night was how often he recieved the ball and then just had a Swansea player nick it off of him. I agree with that I don't really see what he brings, he is fairly clumsy at tackling, not a good passer and his technique is below par.
Would rather Parker gave a shot to O'Riley with all our injuries, but he seems to rate Onomah. Hopefully he can show why in the future since Parker will keep playing him, but I remain unconvinced.
I have to give a +5 to this posting (5 star), we have signed players like him before and had similar conversations on this forum, sadly Onamah (at the moment) is in a category of overrated/under achieving/ what does he offer us etc. etc., while our team are still challenging for promotion or more likely the play offs SP is still giving him opportunities, so unless SP is a complete idiot or doesn´t want us to get promotion he must have seen something that Onomah can add to our squad..... and not just make up the number on the bench! It is now up to the player to show us what he is made of, I hope he is reading this!!!
Quote from: MJG on November 30, 2019, 10:07:58 AM
Quote from: snarks on November 30, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
Looks like we're trying to find a scapegoat, he's not an automatic selection to start and nor should he be, but he can do a squad job and does
Not sure about that, general consensus is we are expecting more than we are seeing... You can correct me if thats wrong.... But hardly a scapegoat in a win, just mainly comments on how he played. In any game there will the 11th starter who is the 'worst' on the pitch. Doesn't mean they played badly, just out of the starters he was ranked 11th. Could win a game 10-0 and that would still be true.
I'm not saying you are, but this is the way it starts, it was like that with Ruiz, a bit like this with Christie too. It's the way it goes, "not sure he's good enough" "what does he bring" "he's lazy" there all there, he'll play we'll lose and it's because of him. The threads like this are how it starts.
No-one is looking for scapegoats. That's what you see when things are going wrong. That's hardly the case right now.
Can you not simply accept that posters are just offering their opinion on a player and expressing fear that management may be making an error of judgement, which could be costly to our promotion chances.
Time will tell if us critics are right, or if the coaches get performances out of him.
Quote from: snarks on November 30, 2019, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: MJG on November 30, 2019, 10:07:58 AM
Quote from: snarks on November 30, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
Looks like we're trying to find a scapegoat, he's not an automatic selection to start and nor should he be, but he can do a squad job and does
Not sure about that, general consensus is we are expecting more than we are seeing... You can correct me if thats wrong.... But hardly a scapegoat in a win, just mainly comments on how he played. In any game there will the 11th starter who is the 'worst' on the pitch. Doesn't mean they played badly, just out of the starters he was ranked 11th. Could win a game 10-0 and that would still be true.
I'm not saying you are, but this is the way it starts, it was like that with Ruiz, a bit like this with Christie too. It's the way it goes, "not sure he's good enough" "what does he bring" "he's lazy" there all there, he'll play we'll lose and it's because of him. The threads like this are how it starts.
Agree. We have a track record of judging fairly early and with less sample size to boot. Comments seem similar to when Zambo first came on the scene.
It's the nature of the beast though. He still has to prove himself to do the smaller things better, and we can build from there. Only 22-years old, the world is ahead of him, and I commend Parker for giving him chances. Hopefully he can build off of the momentum of playing a part in the goals.
If he didn't have deficiencies he'd still be on Spurs.
We're 3rd in the table and have a lot of midfield injuries. I'm ok with giving SP a month to coach him up.
Unlike with Zambo...I don't see a Championship midfielder in Josh. He has my support though and I hope he proves me wrong.
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Quote from: snarks on November 30, 2019, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: MJG on November 30, 2019, 10:07:58 AM
Quote from: snarks on November 30, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
Looks like we're trying to find a scapegoat, he's not an automatic selection to start and nor should he be, but he can do a squad job and does
Not sure about that, general consensus is we are expecting more than we are seeing... You can correct me if thats wrong.... But hardly a scapegoat in a win, just mainly comments on how he played. In any game there will the 11th starter who is the 'worst' on the pitch. Doesn't mean they played badly, just out of the starters he was ranked 11th. Could win a game 10-0 and that would still be true.
I'm not saying you are, but this is the way it starts, it was like that with Ruiz, a bit like this with Christie too. It's the way it goes, "not sure he's good enough" "what does he bring" "he's lazy" there all there, he'll play we'll lose and it's because of him. The threads like this are how it starts.
ruiz was taken out of the team for months to try and get up to speed, and that's exactly what I'm suggesting we should do with josh. Loan him out till the end of the season to see what he's got
Quote from: fulhamben on November 30, 2019, 10:01:24 PM
Quote from: snarks on November 30, 2019, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: MJG on November 30, 2019, 10:07:58 AM
Quote from: snarks on November 30, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
Looks like we're trying to find a scapegoat, he's not an automatic selection to start and nor should he be, but he can do a squad job and does
Not sure about that, general consensus is we are expecting more than we are seeing... You can correct me if thats wrong.... But hardly a scapegoat in a win, just mainly comments on how he played. In any game there will the 11th starter who is the 'worst' on the pitch. Doesn't mean they played badly, just out of the starters he was ranked 11th. Could win a game 10-0 and that would still be true.
I'm not saying you are, but this is the way it starts, it was like that with Ruiz, a bit like this with Christie too. It's the way it goes, "not sure he's good enough" "what does he bring" "he's lazy" there all there, he'll play we'll lose and it's because of him. The threads like this are how it starts.
ruiz was taken out of the team for months to try and get up to speed, and that's exactly what I'm suggesting we should do with josh. Loan him out till the end of the season to see what he's got
But, surely, having made 48 loan appearances for Villa and Sheffield Wednesday in the last couple of seasons he should already be "oven ready".
I watched his performance carefully and really wanted to defend him. I really can't. Other than his 2 decent contributions to the game he was a virtual passenger bordering on liability. I do however think it a bit early to judge him. He hasn't had the same game time in the team as anyone around him and the game time he's had has been in a couple of different roles. The other guys have had more opportunity to get into the way Parker's wanting them to play and used to each other's signals and movement within that set up. He'll get better. Kind of has to, there's not much worse from there.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on November 30, 2019, 09:58:56 PM
If he didn't have deficiencies he'd still be on Spurs.
We're 3rd in the table and have a lot of midfield injuries. I'm ok with giving SP a month to coach him up.
Unlike with Zambo...I don't see a Championship midfielder in Josh. He has my support though and I hope he proves me wrong.
Spot On with the comment "If he didn't have deficiencies he'd still be on Spurs". Fulham has a half dozen premier league players, but Fulham cannot afford a squad of them.
Josh Onamah definitively is a Championship Player, a very useful player especially against bottom half sides as he better than most of them, although he is probably a little outclassed against better players like those at Swansea. We are playing him cause we have three midfielders injured and he is the best of the rest. Although once everyone is fit again, I think he needs a half dozen games in the u23 to improve his matchday form and regain his confidence.
