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Title: Betts on his way then!!!!!
Post by: South Coast White on January 14, 2020, 06:19:15 PM
Jordan Archer completes medical and about to sign.
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Post by: filham on January 14, 2020, 06:27:43 PM
Then a Moderator had best remove that earlier U Tube clip of Archer letting in goals, it is bad for our state of mind.
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Post by: sunburywhite on January 14, 2020, 08:30:31 PM
The transfer is delayed as they are looking for a pen

They handed one to Archer but he dropped it
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Post by: bobbo on January 14, 2020, 08:46:13 PM
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The transfer is delayed as they are looking for a pen

They handed one to Archer but he dropped it
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Post by: KJS on January 14, 2020, 08:53:08 PM
The transfer is delayed as they are looking for a pen

They handed one to Archer but he dropped it
Betts wouldn't have caught it in the first place
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Post by: cookieg on January 14, 2020, 08:57:50 PM
Then a Moderator had best remove that earlier U Tube clip of Archer letting in goals, it is bad for our state of mind.

I'm sure there is an equally dreadful clip of Betts' howlers.
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Post by: The Rational Fan on January 14, 2020, 10:01:32 PM
We always had to sell a keeper this season to get some money, of course as Parker didn’t give Fabri game time end of last year, beginning of this year and he didn’t get game time at the new club, so we have to sell Betts.

FFP is designed so that whatever you put on the bench you’ll probably keep and a team sells what it plays. I guess Bryan will leave too and we’ll get MLM etc etc.
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Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 15, 2020, 06:23:17 AM
We always had to sell a keeper this season to get some money, of course as Parker didn’t give Fabri game time end of last year, beginning of this year and he didn’t get game time at the new club, so we have to sell Betts.

FFP is designed so that whatever you put on the bench you’ll probably keep and a team sells what it plays. I guess Bryan will leave too and we’ll get MLM etc etc.

Are you positive, certain, convinced and satisfied that Fabri is actually a Bona fide Goalkeeper.
As what you are saying that your favourite Goalie Fabri, did not get game time at Fulham, and consequently did not get game time at his new club, perhaps it is because he is deemed not quite good enough to be a regular.
Betts has kept him out and now Rodak is keeping him out, and at his current club he has not redeemed himself.
Therefore, what does that tell you.
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Post by: Mince n Tatties on January 15, 2020, 07:00:44 AM
Betts to West Ham,or Randolph to West Ham,and Betts to replace him at Middlesbrough.?
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Post by: The Rational Fan on January 15, 2020, 08:17:14 AM
We always had to sell a keeper this season to get some money, of course as Parker didn’t give Fabri game time end of last year, beginning of this year and he didn’t get game time at the new club, so we have to sell Betts.

FFP is designed so that whatever you put on the bench you’ll probably keep and a team sells what it plays. I guess Bryan will leave too and we’ll get MLM etc etc.

Are you positive, certain, convinced and satisfied that Fabri is actually a Bona fide Goalkeeper.
As what you are saying that your favourite Goalie Fabri, did not get game time at Fulham, and consequently did not get game time at his new club, perhaps it is because he is deemed not quite good enough to be a regular.
Betts has kept him out and now Rodak is keeping him out, and at his current club he has not redeemed himself.
Therefore, what does that tell you.

I am satisfied that Fabri was actually a Bona fide Goalkeeper in 17/18, as I haven't seem him in training I don't know if he is now, I guess his coaches know something. We always had to sell a keeper this season to get some money, what I do know is because he's not playing we cannot sell Fabri for money because other clubs assume he is now rubbish and so we have to sell Betts.

What I don't know is if Fabri played last season after relegation, whether his performances would have been so bad that no one would have wanted him. But if he came in and got three clean sheets like Rico against Everton, Bournmouth and Cardiff a nice £5-10 million would have been offerred for him (i.e. enough for Bobby Reid transfer).

Of course, if our coaches didn't play Fabri cause he's one of shortest keepers around, they can be pleased know we own Jordan Archer whose the same height, but, unlike Fabri whose only bad statistics is his height, Jordan Archer has lots of statistics.
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Post by: MikeTheCubed on January 15, 2020, 09:55:11 AM
We always had to sell a keeper this season to get some money

Why is this a necessity? You can have ~10 senior goalkeepers on the books if you so choose as long as the financial burden of the overall squad is conforming to FFP restrictions. Fabri is also out on loan and is presumably significantly less of a financial burden until his current spell expires at the end of the season.
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Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 15, 2020, 09:56:36 AM
I have not see Archer play, I only know his record, and for the record he is at least an inch taller than Fabri for what it’s worth, and unlike Fabri he can catch the ball at its highest point, and can speak and understand English, whether it’s Industrial or Cockney or the Queens.
So he is already ahead of Fabri before he has taken his first goal kick.
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Post by: Mince n Tatties on January 15, 2020, 09:59:25 AM
Still no word this Archer geezer has signed.
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Post by: filham on January 15, 2020, 10:31:40 AM
Telegraph this morning suggesting Bets to West Ham.
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Post by: Jim© on January 15, 2020, 10:38:57 AM
I have not see Archer play, I only know his record, and for the record he is at least an inch taller than Fabri for what it’s worth, and unlike Fabri he can catch the ball at its highest point, and can speak and understand English, whether it’s Industrial or Cockney or the Queens.
So he is already ahead of Fabri before he has taken his first goal kick.

Whilst the height thing isn't correct, I'm not entirely sure that you've seen Archer play. I doubt he'd make the saves that we saw Fabri make V Spurs last season. No comparison in my view, one is a quality keeper, one hasn't been retained by Oxford United.
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Post by: junior white on January 15, 2020, 10:40:37 AM
Telegraph this morning suggesting Bets to West Ham.

This makes me assume the Randolph deal has fallen through
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Post by: ByTheRiver on January 15, 2020, 10:51:13 AM
If we are receiving a decent fee, which I assume we must be, then I have no problem with this. I like Betts but, ultimately, Rodak has more than earned his place and the right to be given a chance (even if he does make a few errors at some point). We are still at the level where we will need to sell some players for profit, so selling one that is essentially backup, for a profit, makes sense. I'm sure Betts will not want to be backup either (or if so, backup at a prem club on higher wages potentially).


I think moving away from having two keepers of supposed similar standard would be good too. Certainly for the number 1 (in this case, Rodak). It's been like that since Swartz really and then you end up changing at least once a season and it helps no one really.
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Post by: sarvenpa on January 15, 2020, 11:25:44 AM
Telegraph this morning suggesting Bets to West Ham.

This makes me assume the Randolph deal has fallen through

Sky Sports News
@SkySportsNews
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West Ham have re-signed goalkeeper Darren Randolph from Middlesbrough on a three-and-a-half-year deal.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/11909086/west-ham-re-sign-darren-randolph-from-middlesbrough
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Post by: junior white on January 15, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
Telegraph this morning suggesting Bets to West Ham.

This makes me assume the Randolph deal has fallen through

Sky Sports News
@SkySportsNews
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West Ham have re-signed goalkeeper Darren Randolph from Middlesbrough on a three-and-a-half-year deal.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/11909086/west-ham-re-sign-darren-randolph-from-middlesbrough

yep happened 10 minutes after i posted.

Cant see why West Ham would want him now, they Have 4 keepers, unless they are selling or letting one go
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Post by: charlieFFC on January 15, 2020, 12:18:25 PM
Here's a thread on Millwall forum (144 appearances for them). Doesn't make for great reading,

"I bet he can't believe his luck!"

https://millwall-forum.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/archer-signs-for-fulham.40357/#post-589085
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Post by: junior white on January 15, 2020, 12:21:44 PM
Seems Betts wont be going to Boro if he is leaving as they are signing a keeper from St Gallen in Switzerland
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Post by: The Rational Fan on January 15, 2020, 12:58:01 PM
I have not see Archer play, I only know his record, and for the record he is at least an inch taller than Fabri for what it’s worth, and unlike Fabri he can catch the ball at its highest point, and can speak and understand English, whether it’s Industrial or Cockney or the Queens.
So he is already ahead of Fabri before he has taken his first goal kick.

Compare youtube clips of
1. When Fabri left Beşiktaş to Fulham "Fabri Weeping Farewell Clip - King of Beşiktaş You Don't Go !." viewed 210,000 times since 23rd July 2018.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nD4sf3_E7Q

2. When Archer left Milwall "ALL OF JORDAN ARCHERS GOALKEEPING MISTAKES 2017/18 Millwall" viewed  6,371 views since 30th Apr 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-8oxiI0q-k







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Post by: charlieFFC on January 15, 2020, 01:04:26 PM
I have not see Archer play, I only know his record, and for the record he is at least an inch taller than Fabri for what it’s worth, and unlike Fabri he can catch the ball at its highest point, and can speak and understand English, whether it’s Industrial or Cockney or the Queens.
So he is already ahead of Fabri before he has taken his first goal kick.

Compare youtube clips of
1. When Fabri left Beşiktaş to Fulham "Fabri Weeping Farewell Clip - King of Beşiktaş You Don't Go !." viewed 210,000 times since 23rd July 2018.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nD4sf3_E7Q

2. When Archer left Milwall "ALL OF JORDAN ARCHERS GOALKEEPING MISTAKES 2017/18 Millwall" viewed  6,371 views since 30th Apr 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-8oxiI0q-k

Jesus Christ had to comment just after seeing the first 2 clips.. are they from the same game!?!

Granted players can improve over time but hardly a confidence boost for us especially if he is only going to be thrown into the action at times of need without notice.
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Post by: MikeTheCubed on January 15, 2020, 01:16:29 PM
2. When Archer left Milwall "ALL OF JORDAN ARCHERS GOALKEEPING MISTAKES 2017/18 Millwall" viewed  6,371 views since 30th Apr 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-8oxiI0q-k

With us having endured Button and Rico he'll form a rich lineage of goalkeepers unable to catch a ball in recent seasons.
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Post by: KeenCottager on January 15, 2020, 01:16:32 PM
Archer looks absolutely shite - worse than Fabri at coming from crosses..
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Post by: The Rational Fan on January 15, 2020, 01:19:22 PM
I have not see Archer play, I only know his record, and for the record he is at least an inch taller than Fabri for what it’s worth, and unlike Fabri he can catch the ball at its highest point, and can speak and understand English, whether it’s Industrial or Cockney or the Queens.
So he is already ahead of Fabri before he has taken his first goal kick.

Fabri was loved by Beşiktaş but they run into money problems and had to sell him and get cheap option of ex-Liverpool Loris Karius, which is decision that most fans have regretted. Don't take my word for it here is the fan video "Fabri the Weeping Farewell Clip - King of Beşiktaş You Don't Go !" viewed 210,000 Beşiktaş fans.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nD4sf3_E7Q
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Post by: Sting of the North on January 15, 2020, 01:21:52 PM
First off, it is always very close to pointless to try to judge a player from a you tube clip. Almost all players can be made to look good or bad that way.

Secondly, my guess is that if Archer were to be signed it is to provide cheap short term cover in case of injuries/suspensions and nothing more. Not that easy to find a cheap available solution in the middle of the season.

Lastly, I would further guess that Norman may still have a chance to be number two for the time being, but a team needs a number three as well.
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Post by: Sting of the North on January 15, 2020, 01:22:59 PM
I have not see Archer play, I only know his record, and for the record he is at least an inch taller than Fabri for what it’s worth, and unlike Fabri he can catch the ball at its highest point, and can speak and understand English, whether it’s Industrial or Cockney or the Queens.
So he is already ahead of Fabri before he has taken his first goal kick.

Fabri was loved by Beşiktaş but they run into money problems and had to sell him and get cheap option of ex-Liverpool Loris Karius, which is decision that most fans have regretted.

Don't take my word for it here is the fan video "Fabri the Weeping Farewell Clip - King of Beşiktaş You Don't Go !" viewed 210,000 Beşiktaş fans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nD4sf3_E7Q

Has anybody ever questioned whether Fabri was appreciated by the Besiktas fans?
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Post by: The Rational Fan on January 15, 2020, 01:26:44 PM
I have not see Archer play, I only know his record, and for the record he is at least an inch taller than Fabri for what it’s worth, and unlike Fabri he can catch the ball at its highest point, and can speak and understand English, whether it’s Industrial or Cockney or the Queens.
So he is already ahead of Fabri before he has taken his first goal kick.

Fabri was loved by Beşiktaş but they run into money problems and had to sell him and get cheap option of ex-Liverpool Loris Karius, which is decision that most fans have regretted.

Don't take my word for it here is the fan video "Fabri the Weeping Farewell Clip - King of Beşiktaş You Don't Go !" viewed 210,000 Beşiktaş fans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nD4sf3_E7Q

Has anybody ever questioned whether Fabri was appreciated by the Besiktas fans?

No, but many people have questioned Fabri's ability to keep based on two games in England.

The fact is that he is loved by Beşiktaş and may I suggest that might be because he was an excellent keeper for them in 70+ games.
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Post by: South Coast White on January 15, 2020, 01:27:01 PM
Maybe Jofra Archer would better suit, at least he can catch!!!!
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Post by: whitejc on January 15, 2020, 01:27:50 PM
Darren Randolph: West Ham re-sign goalkeeper from Middlesbrough

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/E449/production/_110514485_gettyimages-1168276734.jpg)
Darren Randolph made 110 appearances for Middlesbrough

West Ham United have signed Republic of Ireland goalkeeper Darren Randolph from Championship side Middlesbrough for a fee of about £4m.

Randolph made 42 appearances for the Hammers between 2015 and 2017, before moving to Boro in a £5m deal.

The 32-year-old rejoins the London Stadium side on a three-and-a-half-year contract.

"I had no hesitation in coming back," Randolph said. "This opportunity was simply too good to turn down."

Randolph's arrival comes with the Hammers' first-choice goalkeeper Lukasz Fabianski out with a hip injury.

Poland international Fabianski, 34, suffered a reaction when taking a goal-kick during the 1-0 Premier League loss at Sheffield United.

Randolph has not played since 24 November because of a thigh injury, but is expected to be available for Saturday's home league game against Everton (15:00 GMT).

The former Birmingham and Motherwell keeper played in West Ham's final game at Upton Park in 2016 - a pulsating 3-2 win over Manchester United - and their first fixture at London Stadium, a Europa League qualifying win over Slovenian side NK Domzale.

"West Ham is a massive club, with fantastic supporters and an excellent squad of players," Randolph added.

"It's a great challenge for me. I am really looking forward to working with the goalkeepers here and helping the team in any way I can."



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51117240
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Post by: Sting of the North on January 15, 2020, 01:43:00 PM
I have not see Archer play, I only know his record, and for the record he is at least an inch taller than Fabri for what it’s worth, and unlike Fabri he can catch the ball at its highest point, and can speak and understand English, whether it’s Industrial or Cockney or the Queens.
So he is already ahead of Fabri before he has taken his first goal kick.

Fabri was loved by Beşiktaş but they run into money problems and had to sell him and get cheap option of ex-Liverpool Loris Karius, which is decision that most fans have regretted.

Don't take my word for it here is the fan video "Fabri the Weeping Farewell Clip - King of Beşiktaş You Don't Go !" viewed 210,000 Beşiktaş fans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nD4sf3_E7Q

Has anybody ever questioned whether Fabri was appreciated by the Besiktas fans?

No, but many people have questioned Fabri's ability to keep based on two games in England.

The fact is that he is loved by Beşiktaş and may I suggest that might be because he was an excellent keeper for them in 70+ games.

Yes, he was most likely at least a good and likable player for them for most part (haven't watched the video, since it is usually completely pointless as 'evidence' for quality or lack thereof). That was then however, but I agree that it likely shows that he is not inherently crap, like some seem to think. Already the fact that he was recruited to a PL club shows this however. Or the fact that he has been paid good money to play professional football for many years. Thus, no videos needed. In my opinion.

I further agree that judging Fabri on a handful of games for us (especially considering the circumstances at the time) is in my opinion showing a severe unwillingness to look for anything else than the simplest of explanations based on an obviously too small sample size. Somehow ironically, I don't think a YouTube video will convince these individuals, despite them seemingly being content with assessing players based on very small samples that disregards all other circumstances.

Unfortunately this happens all the time with players. Just look at Onomah recently, where quite a few on here wished to never see him play for us again after just a few appearances. Or the reactions by some to Kamara following a couple of alleged incidents that may or may not have been blown out of proportion. It seems to me that many people just like to make their minds up about many things, regardless of whether it is reasonable or not.
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Post by: Dixie on January 15, 2020, 02:26:09 PM
on YouTube there is also a video of Archer's saves from 15/16 season and even based on that i am not filled with confidence!
Let's hope Marek stays fit!
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Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 15, 2020, 03:59:12 PM
Still no word this Archer geezer has signed.

You could say Archer could be another string to our bow.
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Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 15, 2020, 04:12:20 PM
Irrational Fan You must try and get over Fabri, he is not coming back to play for the first team, especially as you say he is loved by the Beskitas spectator and his dog. It does not help to Fabricate evidence to support Fabri, and Fabri is short for Fabricate and Fabri is short in stature. He was brought over by his mates who were part of SJ coaching staff, so it’s not what you know it’s who you know, a bit like TK and his old chum CK.
So time to move on take down Fabris pictures on your bedroom wall and stick a photo of Tony Macedo to replace Fabri which is far more worthy. You could of course put a photo of Malcolm Webster up there also, but my recommendation is the original Cat Macedo, a proper Goal Keeper and you will feel so
much better for it.
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Post by: sunburywhite on January 15, 2020, 04:15:32 PM
You must try and get over Fabri, he is not coming back to play for the first team, especially as you say he is loved by the Beskitas spectator and his dog. It does not help to Fabricate evidence to support Fabri, and Fabri is short for Fabricate and Fabri is short in stature. He was brought over by his mates who were part of SJ coaching staff, so it’s not what you know it’s who you know, a bit like TK and his old chum CK.
So time to move on take down Fabris pictures on your bedroom wall and stick a photo of Tony Macedo to replace Fabri which is far more worthy. You could of course put a photo of Malcolm Webster up there also, but my recommendation is the original Cat Macedo, a proper Goal Keeper and you will feel so
much better for it.

Make it Maik Taylor and you are talking
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Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 15, 2020, 04:17:12 PM
You must try and get over Fabri, he is not coming back to play for the first team, especially as you say he is loved by the Beskitas spectator and his dog. It does not help to Fabricate evidence to support Fabri, and Fabri is short for Fabricate and Fabri is short in stature. He was brought over by his mates who were part of SJ coaching staff, so it’s not what you know it’s who you know, a bit like TK and his old chum CK.
So time to move on take down Fabris pictures on your bedroom wall and stick a photo of Tony Macedo to replace Fabri which is far more worthy. You could of course put a photo of Malcolm Webster up there also, but my recommendation is the original Cat Macedo, a proper Goal Keeper and you will feel so
much better for it.

Make it Maik Taylor and you are talking

Now he was a good Goalkeeper.
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Post by: Whitesideup on January 15, 2020, 04:52:18 PM
I don't understand the signing of Archer. Magnus Norman is 22 and been with us for donkey's years. If he is not good enough to get into the squad, why is he still on our books? I don't know how much it costs to keep players like Norman on the books, but however much it is, it must be money wasted if you then have to go and get an Archer .. unless he (Archer that is) has made remarkable progress over the last couple of years. Can anyone explain?
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Post by: Sting of the North on January 15, 2020, 05:03:16 PM
I don't understand the signing of Archer. Magnus Norman is 22 and been with us for donkey's years. If he is not good enough to get into the squad, why is he still on our books? I don't know how much it costs to keep players like Norman on the books, but however much it is, it must be money wasted if you then have to go and get an Archer .. unless he (Archer that is) has made remarkable progress over the last couple of years. Can anyone explain?

Maybe if we sell Betts Norman will replace Betts as the number 2, and Archer will replace Norman as the number 3? Just a cheap option to have an experienced keeper on board in case of a crisis.
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Post by: Ronnief on January 15, 2020, 05:30:48 PM
The new Pascal Zuberbühler but shorter.
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Post by: Twig on January 15, 2020, 05:48:20 PM
I have not see Archer play, I only know his record, and for the record he is at least an inch taller than Fabri for what it’s worth, and unlike Fabri he can catch the ball at its highest point, and can speak and understand English, whether it’s Industrial or Cockney or the Queens.
So he is already ahead of Fabri before he has taken his first goal kick.

Fabri was loved by Beşiktaş but they run into money problems and had to sell him and get cheap option of ex-Liverpool Loris Karius, which is decision that most fans have regretted.

Don't take my word for it here is the fan video "Fabri the Weeping Farewell Clip - King of Beşiktaş You Don't Go !" viewed 210,000 Beşiktaş fans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nD4sf3_E7Q

Has anybody ever questioned whether Fabri was appreciated by the Besiktas fans?

No, but many people have questioned Fabri's ability to keep based on two games in England.

The fact is that he is loved by Beşiktaş and may I suggest that might be because he was an excellent keeper for them in 70+ games.

You keep banging this drum.  Fabri also played in two friendlies. I saw one friendly plus the sum total of his league appearances. He was awful. His control of his area was non existent, his decision making dreadful, he clearly made his back four nervous and his handling of crosses was poor.  Did you go to any of those matches?

BTW I do accept there may have been reasons for his weak performances (challenges settling in etc.) but nevertheless, weak they were.
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Post by: Sting of the North on January 15, 2020, 08:50:01 PM
Whether it was 2 games or 4, and whether they were all horrible performances or not, it does say very little in the grand scheme of things though. In my opinion.
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Post by: Spirit of 2000 on January 15, 2020, 09:39:14 PM
Know a couple of Wall fans who say Archer is an awful keeper
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Post by: Twig on January 15, 2020, 11:13:52 PM
Whether it was 2 games or 4, and whether they were all horrible performances or not, it does say very little in the grand scheme of things though. In my opinion.

I’ll ask the same question, were you at those games? Because, even if there were mitigating circumstances, it did not inspire confidence.
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Post by: Sting of the North on January 16, 2020, 07:20:21 AM
Whether it was 2 games or 4, and whether they were all horrible performances or not, it does say very little in the grand scheme of things though. In my opinion.

I’ll ask the same question, were you at those games? Because, even if there were mitigating circumstances, it did not inspire confidence.

And that question is still not in any way relevant for the point I am making (and also beside the main point from TRF at least). FYI though, I wasn't at those games as I just watched the two league games on TV (can't remember if I watched the other games or if they were even available to watch, but if I did it was also on TV).

To assess a professional football player (any player) on just a handful of games (be it 2 or 4) in a new environment is always insufficient in my opinion. Doesn't matter if you watched it live or on TV or read about it online.

If you really want to discredit Fabri as a fit for Fulham, there are better 'evidence' available in my opinion. Like neither Jokanovic, Ranieri or Parker playing him after those initial games despite the other keepers certainly not setting the world alight. Or the fact that Fabri was sent out on loan even though we lost our best (or most used) keeper from last year. This will still only suggest that he is not in their plans however, but the reason(s) can be one or many (quality, wages, personality, non football related matters etc.).
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Post by: H3Matt on January 16, 2020, 08:26:31 AM
I'm not too worried about Archer coming in. Some accounts I've seen have reported it as only being a short term deal until end of the season.
He'll play second fiddle to Rodak.

Regarding Betts leaving....off he goes then. I'll appreciate his Wembley antics but no player is bigger than the club. He's cost us many points and was deservedly dropped.
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Post by: Whitestone on January 16, 2020, 08:46:13 AM
So is Betts going now that West Ham have confirmed the signing of Randolph. I’m not aware of links to any other teams ? Surely Archer only signs if Betts leaves ?
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Post by: Jim© on January 16, 2020, 09:22:00 AM
For what it's worth, Fabri had the highest save rate of any keeper we used last season (by some distance too).
For those suggesting he didn't do too well in those games, I must have watched a different Fabri v Spurs, because he was excellent.

I would guess that behind the scenes politics put him out of the team as the GK coach that wanted him here was soon leaving a little after he was dropped.
Title: Re: Betts on his way then!!!!!
Post by: Whitestone on January 16, 2020, 09:38:52 AM
I’m not sure what the agenda is regarding Fabri. The guy only played two competitive games. I was at both. Sure he made an error against Palace but he was fine at Wembley against Spurs. I really don’t see how any player can be fairly judged over so few games.
Title: Re: Betts on his way then!!!!!
Post by: MikeTheCubed on January 16, 2020, 09:53:20 AM
Wasn't the complaint at the time that Fabri (and Rico) were unable to communicate effectively in English? Makes you wonder why we signed them in the first place however.
Title: Re: Betts on his way then!!!!!
Post by: Facts Not Fiction on January 16, 2020, 10:01:51 AM
Wasn't the complaint at the time that Fabri (and Rico) were unable to communicate effectively in English? Makes you wonder why we signed them in the first place however.

We had a Spanish goalkeeper coach, who I think left during pre season.
Title: Re: Betts on his way then!!!!!
Post by: Lighthouse on January 16, 2020, 10:07:14 AM
As Archer is now official I hope he is just cover as a third choice. Both Rodak and Norman must be considered good enough to step up for a long season.
Title: Re: Betts on his way then!!!!!
Post by: MikeTheCubed on January 16, 2020, 10:10:28 AM
Wasn't the complaint at the time that Fabri (and Rico) were unable to communicate effectively in English? Makes you wonder why we signed them in the first place however.

We had a Spanish goalkeeper coach, who I think left during pre season.

He supposedly recommended the signings, yes.

He left two games in to the season. While it is true that Rico & Fabri could have communicated effectively with the goalkeeping coach, the concerns were with their ability to communicate with the defence.
Title: Re: Betts on his way then!!!!!
Post by: ByTheRiver on January 16, 2020, 10:27:55 AM
With Archer having just been announced on official, this must be happening now (probably announced later today), I wonder who to?

Given that West Ham signed Randolph yesterday, it surely can't be them. DOn't think he was linked to anyone else in the press? Interesting!

A great servant, will always remember the flare at Wembley and so on, but ultimately Rodak has made himself number one and we are not in a position to keep profitable players that we don't play. Better to take the cash and strengthen elsewhere (or cover the costs from the existing recruitment). All the best, Betts.
Title: Re: Betts on his way then!!!!!
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on January 17, 2020, 04:36:53 AM
Wasn't the complaint at the time that Fabri (and Rico) were unable to communicate effectively in English? Makes you wonder why we signed them in the first place however.

Yes indeed whoever made the signings must have had the brains of a rocking horse, total incompetence.