Oh Dear, may be the first of many clubs
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8479009/Championship-club-Wigan-Athletic-placed-administration.html
And they will be deducted 10 points, through no fault of their own.
Quote from: alfie on July 01, 2020, 01:05:14 PM
And they will be deducted 10 points, through no fault of their own.
Do you think the authorities would be that crule as to deduct the points under these exceptional circumstances? That is a genuine question because I for one hope they do not as this is not what the rule was designed to mitigate against.
Until this becomes a bit clearer I think it's fair to say that they are the first club to go into administration since the beginning of the Covid crisis. It's a big leap to say it's because of the Covid crisis, although I've no doubt that's had a negative effect on all football clubs at all levels of the pyramid.
Of course, we play them the last day of the season at the JJB/DW where they will be in ~ 9th place, needing the 3 points to stay up.
I believe they have a 12 point deduction
Wigan only changed ownership on 29 May so the new owners can't blame Covid.
That makes them currently 4 points off safety
their LB is decent/good, not much else of value in the squad
Cannot the relative decision makers on the points deduction allow a little bit of slack given the current goings on?
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Quote from: ALG01 on July 01, 2020, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: alfie on July 01, 2020, 01:05:14 PM
And they will be deducted 10 points, through no fault of their own.
Do you think the authorities would be that crule as to deduct the points under these exceptional circumstances? That is a genuine question because I for o
ne hope they do not as this is not what the rule was designed to mitigate against.
I believe it's already been announced.
They are the form team of the league with 21 points out of 27 so if they continue a 12 point deduction will make little difference.
I have only been there once, to watch a dismal 0-0 draw with us on an afternoon when it was bucketing down. However they opened up a room for us with hot drinks as we had arrived early. Apart from the game they made us very welcome there as I remember.
Have they still got a road that goes to the pier?
Quote from: sunburywhite on July 01, 2020, 04:01:02 PM
Have they still got a road that goes to the pier?
No, I think they closed it in 1984.
The report on the BBC says the deduction of 12 points is only applied once the season is completed and if they avoid relegation which makes sense.
I agree though that given the circumstances it does seem pretty harsh. I suppose that maybe it is delayed to see if other teams end up in similar situations before deducting the points.
This is what happens when you lose a rich benefactor and have to survive without the cheques being paid automatically, see Bolton for a similar story. I know our owners are not perfect but we are lucky to have had two very wealthy benefactors prepared to fund endless losses.
Quote from: mlangstrom on July 01, 2020, 03:44:43 PM
their LB is decent/good, not much else of value in the squad
Thought he was the best player I've seen all season. Young American lad, Antonee Robinson. If a rich American owner really felt the need to have a fellow countryman in his team, I'd imagine he might fit the bill. Would certainly be an upgrade.
Quote from: cottage expat on July 01, 2020, 05:07:09 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on July 01, 2020, 04:01:02 PM
Have they still got a road that goes to the pier?
No, I think they closed it in 1984.
Could be worse, I might have been Down and Out in Paris
Quote from: Ols_S on July 01, 2020, 05:16:40 PM
The report on the BBC says the deduction of 12 points is only applied once the season is completed and if they avoid relegation which makes sense.
I agree though that given the circumstances it does seem pretty harsh. I suppose that maybe it is delayed to see if other teams end up in similar situations before deducting the points.
what you havent mentioned, is if they get relegated this season ( which is looking unlikely) then the points would have been deducted next season.
Quote from: bobby01 on July 01, 2020, 03:52:37 PM
I have only been there once, to watch a dismal 0-0 draw with us on an afternoon when it was bucketing down. However they opened up a room for us with hot drinks as we had arrived early. Apart from the game they made us very welcome there as I remember.
Was just going to say me too then saw it was you! I believe I was with you that day Rob 🙂
Quote from: The Rock on July 01, 2020, 02:03:54 PM
Of course, we play them the last day of the season at the JJB/DW where they will be in ~ 9th place, needing the 3 points to stay up.
Interesting last game if it becomes tight for either teams re relegation/playoffs
Justice for robbing us of the Div 3 title in 1997 by virtue of the brief goals scored/goal difference rule change
Quote from: Carborundum on July 01, 2020, 05:55:26 PM
Quote from: mlangstrom on July 01, 2020, 03:44:43 PM
their LB is decent/good, not much else of value in the squad
Thought he was the best player I've seen all season. Young American lad, Antonee Robinson. If a rich American owner really felt the need to have a fellow countryman in his team, I'd imagine he might fit the bill. Would certainly be an upgrade.
I was very impressed by Robinson at the game at Craven Cottage.
He was supposed to go to AC Milan for £10m in January, but there was a problem during his medical if I remember well.
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Quote from: The Cravenette on July 01, 2020, 06:04:44 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on July 01, 2020, 03:52:37 PM
I have only been there once, to watch a dismal 0-0 draw with us on an afternoon when it was bucketing down. However they opened up a room for us with hot drinks as we had arrived early. Apart from the game they made us very welcome there as I remember.
Was just going to say me too then saw it was you! I believe I was with you that day Rob 🙂
You were what a miserable day it was, the fella on the coach going on and on about the rugby player he was meeting who never turned up, still makes me smile
Quote from: Statto on July 01, 2020, 06:15:09 PM
Justice for robbing us of the Div 3 title in 1997 by virtue of the brief goals scored/goal difference rule change
But they didn't change the rules
As Sarnian says, the current owners took over the club in late May this year so cannot blame Covid. They bought the club from a HK company (a PE company I think). It all looks suspiciously like money laundering or asset stripping to me.
I wonder what sort of fit and proper test these owners faced who have put the club into administration after less then 2 months!
Quote from: mlangstrom on July 01, 2020, 03:44:43 PM
their LB is decent/good, not much else of value in the squad
Antonee Robinson would be one of the first players I'd try to bring in to our squad. He's Odoi with more size, more pace and he's under 23 (Dennis being the better leaper).
But I'd want a better manager to continue to develop him. I don't think Scott's coaching staff are good at developing young talent.
Do it TK!!! oh, and he's American.
Quote from: alfie on July 01, 2020, 07:42:05 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 01, 2020, 06:15:09 PM
Justice for robbing us of the Div 3 title in 1997 by virtue of the brief goals scored/goal difference rule change
But they didn't change the rules
Indeed. One of the people who encouraged the football league to sort teams equal on points by way of goals scored instead of goal difference was none other than out own chairman, Jimmy Hill!
I feel quite sad about this. Always liked Wigan a good club well run by a passionate owner in Dave Whelan. A true footballing gent.
Quote from: bobby01 on July 01, 2020, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: The Cravenette on July 01, 2020, 06:04:44 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on July 01, 2020, 03:52:37 PM
I have only been there once, to watch a dismal 0-0 draw with us on an afternoon when it was bucketing down. However they opened up a room for us with hot drinks as we had arrived early. Apart from the game they made us very welcome there as I remember.
Was just going to say me too then saw it was you! I believe I was with you that day Rob 🙂
You were what a miserable day it was, the fella on the coach going on and on about the rugby player he was meeting who never turned up, still makes me smile
Ha ha, yes, that was Cliffy Dean!
I seem to remember one dismal away trip where there was a streaker, which was the highlight of the match. Dunno if that was Wigan?
A lot friendlier there than Bolton, with its very heavy stewarding - to Fulham fans anyway.
Sad to hear this news.
Heartbreaking really that a proud community club like Wigan can go to the wall and at the same time we ready ourselves to spend £10.5 million on Knockaert after already wasting tens of millions on Cav and Bobby Reid, I love football but so much of it is wrong.
As always the big losers are the clubs loyal supporters, great shame.
Quote from: cottage expat on July 01, 2020, 05:07:09 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on July 01, 2020, 04:01:02 PM
Have they still got a road that goes to the pier?
Brilliant. Thanks to both of you.
No, I think they closed it in 1984.
Quote from: bigalffc on July 02, 2020, 02:51:21 PM
As always the big losers are the clubs loyal supporters, great shame.
You have to feel sorry for the owners of these clubs too. These owners build 25,000 seater stadiums and 24 months out of the premier league they getting average attendance of 9,000 fans.
If an owner has no TV money, no players to sell, only 9,000 loyal supporters per game, and FFP rules limiting the amount he can invest, then how can he possibly afford championship players.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 03, 2020, 05:27:39 AM
Quote from: bigalffc on July 02, 2020, 02:51:21 PM
As always the big losers are the clubs loyal supporters, great shame.
You have to feel sorry for the owners of these clubs too. These owners build 25,000 seater stadiums and 24 months out of the premier league they getting average attendance of 9,000 fans.
If an owner has no TV money, no players to sell, only 9,000 loyal supporters per game, and FFP rules limiting the amount he can invest, then how can he possibly afford championship players.
The paper today said that they had new owners last month who are refusing to put any money into the Club. All sounds a bit fishy to me.
seems to me "because of Covid" could be removed from the subject header
An interesting point is that it is being said that due to non payment of wages Wigan may not be able to complete their final seven matches. I do not think that will happen as someone will find the money but if it was to happen what would happen about the points for their remaining games?
rumour is a multi million pound bet on wigan to go down was placed (by owner?) in the philipines?
and when it looked like wigan werent gonna go down they were put into administration.
almost guaranteeing relegation and a winning bet.
its all over twitter
Quote from: Bill2 on July 01, 2020, 10:57:21 PM
I feel quite sad about this. Always liked Wigan a good club well run by a passionate owner in Dave Whelan. A true footballing gent.
Me too, I've only been there once but the locals were as friendly as ours. The function room for away fans was superb along with the pies.
Quote from: Bill2 on July 03, 2020, 03:04:54 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on July 03, 2020, 05:27:39 AM
Quote from: bigalffc on July 02, 2020, 02:51:21 PM
As always the big losers are the clubs loyal supporters, great shame.
You have to feel sorry for the owners of these clubs too. These owners build 25,000 seater stadiums and 24 months out of the premier league they getting average attendance of 9,000 fans.
If an owner has no TV money, no players to sell, only 9,000 loyal supporters per game, and FFP rules limiting the amount he can invest, then how can he possibly afford championship players.
The paper today said that they had new owners last month who are refusing to put any money into the Club. All sounds a bit fishy to me.
Me too!
This part of the story gives great concern:
Administration one month after change in ownership
Until 2018, the club was owned by Dave Whelan, who steered them from the fourth tier of English football to the Premier League in 2005, and they also won the FA Cup in 2013.
Whelan sold the club to Hong Kong-based International Entertainment Corporation in November 2018 and there was a further change of ownership in May when Next Leader Fund took control.
Paul Stanley, Gerald Krasner and Dean Watson of Begbies Traynor have been appointed as joint administrators.
Krasner said in a statement that the suspension of the Championship season because of the coronavirus pandemic has had a "significant impact on the recent fortunes of the club".
However, when asked by BBC Radio Manchester how big an impact the coronavirus pandemic has had on the situation, Stanley said: "I don't think it's played a massive part in terms of the way the club's been run, because the club's been run very well.
"The funding that was due to come in from the owners didn't come in. I've had no contact with the owners and I don't know why the funding didn't come in. It might be coronavirus-related, I just don't know."My question would be: If the EFL oversee such changes of ownership (Fit & Proper stuff) then how did they not spot this crap was on the Horizon?
The EFL cannot have it both ways, either they take responsibility for due diligence in such transaction, or they sod off and keep well clear of it and just deal with the fall-out (which they do anyways - with some glee - whilst shaking their heads at the owners of such clubs)
