Possibly going to Ajax on loan.
He needs to go somewhere, it must be soul destroying for him not to be getting any game time.
Shame I would have loved to see him back with us on loan. For his own development Ajax might prove to be a good move though.
Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 08, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
He needs to go somewhere, it must be soul destroying for him not to be getting any game time.
he must of known he would be well down the pecking order at spurs though.
He's getting paid well which must be some consolation
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Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 08, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
He needs to go somewhere, it must be soul destroying for him not to be getting any game time.
he must of known he would be well down the pecking order at spurs though.
Even when he went, there were at least 2 players better than him in front of him. Still can´t understand why he went. What a waste of a talent.
I think this would be an excellent move - with Tottenham rebuilding, Mourinho is less likely to want to play youngsters.
Ajax have an excellent youth setup and are renowned for playing an enjoyable style of football - the number of young stars recently who have come out of their academy show this will be a much more promising place to progress his career compared to Spurs in their current state
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Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 08, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
He needs to go somewhere, it must be soul destroying for him not to be getting any game time.
he must of known he would be well down the pecking order at spurs though.
Even when he went, there were at least 2 players better than him in front of him. Still can´t understand why he went. What a waste of a talent.
yep
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Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 08, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
He needs to go somewhere, it must be soul destroying for him not to be getting any game time.
he must of known he would be well down the pecking order at spurs though.
I guess Sess. did well financially out of the Spurs move but right now he must realize that next season playing for Parker at Fulham would be a lot better for him than Playing for Mourinho at Spurs.
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Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 08, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
He needs to go somewhere, it must be soul destroying for him not to be getting any game time.
he must of known he would be well down the pecking order at spurs though.
I guess Sess. did well financially out of the Spurs move but right now he must realize that next season playing for Parker at Fulham would be a lot better for him than Playing for Mourinho at Spurs.
he wouldn't be guaranteed playing time here either. No club would be stupid enough to play a loanee if he isn't an upgrade on what you already have
Quote from: grandad on August 08, 2020, 11:45:23 AM
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Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 08, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
He needs to go somewhere, it must be soul destroying for him not to be getting any game time.
he must of known he would be well down the pecking order at spurs though.
Even when he went, there were at least 2 players better than him in front of him. Still can´t understand why he went. What a waste of a talent.
Money for his agent
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Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 08, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
He needs to go somewhere, it must be soul destroying for him not to be getting any game time.
he must of known he would be well down the pecking order at spurs though.
Even when he went, there were at least 2 players better than him in front of him. Still can´t understand why he went. What a waste of a talent.
Pochettino has a great reputation for developing young players so I can totally understand why Sess was attracted to Tottenham. Out of all big clubs to go to, Spurs probably made the most sense at the time.
However, I suspect he wouldn't have gone there if he'd known Mourinho would he replacing Pochettino within a matter of months.
We'll pick him up in 2 season's on a free
I would like him back here to be honest. Surely he wouldn't be opposed to a move should we be interested?
Quote from: GJB on August 08, 2020, 11:46:13 AM
I think this would be an excellent move - with Tottenham rebuilding, Mourinho is less likely to want to play youngsters.
Ajax have an excellent youth setup and are renowned for playing an enjoyable style of football - the number of young stars recently who have come out of their academy show this will be a much more promising place to progress his career compared to Spurs in their current state
I agree + champions league as well - good move for him
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Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 08, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
He needs to go somewhere, it must be soul destroying for him not to be getting any game time.
he must of known he would be well down the pecking order at spurs though.
I guess Sess. did well financially out of the Spurs move but right now he must realize that next season playing for Parker at Fulham would be a lot better for him than Playing for Mourinho at Spurs.
he wouldn't be guaranteed playing time here either. No club would be stupid enough to play a loanee if he isn't an upgrade on what you already have
I think you are forgetting that Sess. could score goals and that Cav., Knock. and Reid have failed to do that.
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Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 08, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
He needs to go somewhere, it must be soul destroying for him not to be getting any game time.
he must of known he would be well down the pecking order at spurs though.
I guess Sess. did well financially out of the Spurs move but right now he must realize that next season playing for Parker at Fulham would be a lot better for him than Playing for Mourinho at Spurs.
he wouldn't be guaranteed playing time here either. No club would be stupid enough to play a loanee if he isn't an upgrade on what you already have
I think you are forgetting that Sess. could score goals and that Cav., Knock. and Reid have failed to do that.
yes, but kamara and kebano ouT score him in the prem. He wouldn't be an upgrade so to play him over one of the others would be an insult. Either upgrade a position or play the ones that got us up
No from me.Love the man but rarely works someone coming back
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Quote from: fulhamben on August 08, 2020, 11:31:07 AM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 08, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
He needs to go somewhere, it must be soul destroying for him not to be getting any game time.
he must of known he would be well down the pecking order at spurs though.
I guess Sess. did well financially out of the Spurs move but right now he must realize that next season playing for Parker at Fulham would be a lot better for him than Playing for Mourinho at Spurs.
he wouldn't be guaranteed playing time here either. No club would be stupid enough to play a loanee if he isn't an upgrade on what you already have
But he is an upgrade so no problem there.
I was thinking earlier today just how Joe Bryan's 2nd goal in the playoff final was very typical of Sess a couple of years ago.
And how many Fulham players have gone to Spurs and not blossomed - Sean Davis (15 games in 2 yrs), Steed (62 in 2 not bad I suppose), Clint Dempsey (29 in 2). It's not an encouraging path to follow. (I know Mullery was different)
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Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 08, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
He needs to go somewhere, it must be soul destroying for him not to be getting any game time.
he must of known he would be well down the pecking order at spurs though.
I guess Sess. did well financially out of the Spurs move but right now he must realize that next season playing for Parker at Fulham would be a lot better for him than Playing for Mourinho at Spurs.
he wouldn't be guaranteed playing time here either. No club would be stupid enough to play a loanee if he isn't an upgrade on what you already have
I think you are forgetting that Sess. could score goals and that Cav., Knock. and Reid have failed to do that.
yes, but kamara and kebano ouT score him in the prem. He wouldn't be an upgrade so to play him over one of the others would be an insult. Either upgrade a position or play the ones that got us up
Wasn't Kebano scoreless for more than 2 years, including our PL year. Had a great finish to this season, but I don't think we should expect him to be a regular scorer next season. Happy to be wrong though.
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Quote from: Fulham 442 on August 08, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
He needs to go somewhere, it must be soul destroying for him not to be getting any game time.
he must of known he would be well down the pecking order at spurs though.
I guess Sess. did well financially out of the Spurs move but right now he must realize that next season playing for Parker at Fulham would be a lot better for him than Playing for Mourinho at Spurs.
he wouldn't be guaranteed playing time here either. No club would be stupid enough to play a loanee if he isn't an upgrade on what you already have
I think you are forgetting that Sess. could score goals and that Cav., Knock. and Reid have failed to do that.
yes, but kamara and kebano ouT score him in the prem. He wouldn't be an upgrade so to play him over one of the others would be an insult. Either upgrade a position or play the ones that got us up
Wasn't Kebano scoreless for more than 2 years, including our PL year. Had a great finish to this season, but I don't think we should expect him to be a regular scorer next season. Happy to be wrong though.
i don't expect him to be regular, but I do expect him to score than sess did for us in the prem. hell even cav managed to score more in the prem than sess
There has been a few threads like this that make me a little perplexed. If we're being linked with Ryan Sess, Ryan Babel as examples, we should be bloody happy. Both know the squad, wouldn't ruin the changing room or team dynamic and clearly wouldn't cost a lot as it would be loans. Quite stunned really.
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:02:14 AM
There has been a few threads like this that make me a little perplexed. If we're being linked with Ryan Sess, Ryan Babel as examples, we should be bloody happy. Both know the squad, wouldn't ruin the changing room or team dynamic and clearly wouldn't cost a lot as it would be loans. Quite stunned really.
your quite stunned that we don't want to get the band back together that got us relegated without even a fight? I'm stunned that you are stunned
Ajax - Good place for a young talent to develop his career. Good record with youngsters, calmer waters of the Eredivisie but with Champions League thrown in.
Surprising that Ajax seem to be targetting him. Looking at their left-side players, I'm not sure how they would fit him in.
Paid in Tottenham, work in Amsterdam - looks good to me.
I don't believe he will be a starting player at Ajax .....
Quote from: Southcoastffc on August 08, 2020, 11:06:31 PM
I was thinking earlier today just how Joe Bryan's 2nd goal in the playoff final was very typical of Sess a couple of years ago.
Me too, which got me rethinking could Bryan play better as a wide midfielder with a good left full back behind him? One of the good things about FFC last season was the development of wide midfielders when Cavaleiro and Knockaert failed to live up to early promise. Kebano has been excellent and Kamara has also demonstrated how good he could be with more playing time. I do hope both of them have realistic opportunities to show their talents next season.
I wish young Ryan all the very best but I don't subscribe to the 'get him back' campaign. He's still a very young player and he has to look for opportunities that will give him a good chance of becoming the player we all thought he would be whilst at Fulham. The Ajax loan would seem a good option.
I'd be all for it if there was any chance of making it permanent, but I'm not sure about just a loan. Maybe I'm just petty but it feels bad to help Tottenham develop the player they bought from us.
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Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:02:14 AM
There has been a few threads like this that make me a little perplexed. If we're being linked with Ryan Sess, Ryan Babel as examples, we should be bloody happy. Both know the squad, wouldn't ruin the changing room or team dynamic and clearly wouldn't cost a lot as it would be loans. Quite stunned really.
your quite stunned that we don't want to get the band back together that got us relegated without even a fight? I'm stunned that you are stunned
How would signing 2 players that improve on out current positions being getting the band back together......come on fella, head wobble.
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Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:02:14 AM
There has been a few threads like this that make me a little perplexed. If we're being linked with Ryan Sess, Ryan Babel as examples, we should be bloody happy. Both know the squad, wouldn't ruin the changing room or team dynamic and clearly wouldn't cost a lot as it would be loans. Quite stunned really.
your quite stunned that we don't want to get the band back together that got us relegated without even a fight? I'm stunned that you are stunned
How would signing 2 players that improve on out current positions being getting the band back together......come on fella, head wobble.
in what way do they improve us, Babel was terrible last season and sess hardly kicked a ball and didn't light up the prem with us,don't live in the past, look at what they are doing now
My view is, if you leave, you're demonstrating that you have no loyalty for the club at all, how much money do these people need? they want to try living in the real world.
I'm happy to see Ryan Sessegnon pick up his wages at Tottenham, and not get a look in. Same goes for Ryan Fredericks, I have no time for him whatsover, I couldn't give a tish.
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your quite stunned that we don't want to get the band back together that got us relegated without even a fight? I'm stunned that you are stunned
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How would signing 2 players that improve on out current positions being getting the band back together......come on fella, head wobble.
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Kinda my feelings as well. Nice players that had some good moments with FFC, but I think we do need to move on and let the past be the past. Looking to add players that can 'genuinely' improve our lot (prem quality, proven players, or at worst near prem quality).
Quote from: Fulham Joe on August 09, 2020, 05:45:41 PM
My view is, if you leave, you're demonstrating that you have no loyalty for the club at all, how much money do these people need? they want to try living in the real world.
I'm happy to see Ryan Sessegnon pick up his wages at Tottenham, and not get a look in. Same goes for Ryan Fredericks, I have no time for him whatsover, I couldn't give a tish.
Bit naive that view. These players aren't supporters like us. They are in a career that needs to set them for life as it is a short one. Taking a pay rise while going to a better team doesn't make them bad people or really that disloyal. It just makes them smart.
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Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:02:14 AM
There has been a few threads like this that make me a little perplexed. If we're being linked with Ryan Sess, Ryan Babel as examples, we should be bloody happy. Both know the squad, wouldn't ruin the changing room or team dynamic and clearly wouldn't cost a lot as it would be loans. Quite stunned really.
your quite stunned that we don't want to get the band back together that got us relegated without even a fight? I'm stunned that you are stunned
How would signing 2 players that improve on out current positions being getting the band back together......come on fella, head wobble.
in what way do they improve us, Babel was terrible last season and sess hardly kicked a ball and didn't light up the prem with us,don't live in the past, look at what they are doing now
Babel and Sess are improvements on Kebano, Cav and Knockaert. That's not to say I'm writing those guys off but adding Babel and Sess to current crop makes us a lot more competitive in those areas. I didn't include Kamara because a) I actually rate him higher than Sess and think he's on par or better than Babel. Plus he's a second striker for us so good versatility for the squad. Could you provide some realistic alternatives to say both Babel and Sess at reasonable prices?
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Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:02:14 AM
There has been a few threads like this that make me a little perplexed. If we're being linked with Ryan Sess, Ryan Babel as examples, we should be bloody happy. Both know the squad, wouldn't ruin the changing room or team dynamic and clearly wouldn't cost a lot as it would be loans. Quite stunned really.
your quite stunned that we don't want to get the band back together that got us relegated without even a fight? I'm stunned that you are stunned
How would signing 2 players that improve on out current positions being getting the band back together......come on fella, head wobble.
in what way do they improve us, Babel was terrible last season and sess hardly kicked a ball and didn't light up the prem with us,don't live in the past, look at what they are doing now
Babel and Sess are improvements on Kebano, Cav and Knockaert. That's not to say I'm writing those guys off but adding Babel and Sess to current crop makes us a lot more competitive in those areas. I didn't include Kamara because a) I actually rate him higher than Sess and think he's on par or better than Babel. Plus he's a second striker for us so good versatility for the squad. Could you provide some realistic alternatives to say both Babel and Sess at reasonable prices?
how are you proclaiming that sess and Babel are an improvement? Cav and knockaert both have better prem stats than sess. Both along with kebano actually played football this season, and Babel is old and had a poor season. So I can only presume you are proclaiming this because of what sess did in the championship and what Babel did for us two seasons ago, of which has zero bearing on their current abilities. And as to price, why does it have to be cheap, if you want cheap stick with what we have. If you want to actually try and upgrade on our positions then we have to look forwards, not back and spend some money. We don't need the same amount of players as we did last time so quality not quantity should be the goal.
Quality not quantity is definitely the key.
Is Ryan Sessignon the new Patrick Roberts?
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Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:02:14 AM
There has been a few threads like this that make me a little perplexed. If we're being linked with Ryan Sess, Ryan Babel as examples, we should be bloody happy. Both know the squad, wouldn't ruin the changing room or team dynamic and clearly wouldn't cost a lot as it would be loans. Quite stunned really.
your quite stunned that we don't want to get the band back together that got us relegated without even a fight? I'm stunned that you are stunned
How would signing 2 players that improve on out current positions being getting the band back together......come on fella, head wobble.
in what way do they improve us, Babel was terrible last season and sess hardly kicked a ball and didn't light up the prem with us,don't live in the past, look at what they are doing now
Babel and Sess are improvements on Kebano, Cav and Knockaert. That's not to say I'm writing those guys off but adding Babel and Sess to current crop makes us a lot more competitive in those areas. I didn't include Kamara because a) I actually rate him higher than Sess and think he's on par or better than Babel. Plus he's a second striker for us so good versatility for the squad. Could you provide some realistic alternatives to say both Babel and Sess at reasonable prices?
how are you proclaiming that sess and Babel are an improvement? Cav and knockaert both have better prem stats than sess. Both along with kebano actually played football this season, and Babel is old and had a poor season. So I can only presume you are proclaiming this because of what sess did in the championship and what Babel did for us two seasons ago, of which has zero bearing on their current abilities. And as to price, why does it have to be cheap, if you want cheap stick with what we have. If you want to actually try and upgrade on our positions then we have to look forwards, not back and spend some money. We don't need the same amount of players as we did last time so quality not quantity should be the goal.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts too.
Quote from: Fulham Joe on August 09, 2020, 05:45:41 PM
My view is, if you leave, you're demonstrating that you have no loyalty for the club at all, how much money do these people need? they want to try living in the real world.
I'm happy to see Ryan Sessegnon pick up his wages at Tottenham, and not get a look in. Same goes for Ryan Fredericks, I have no time for him whatsover, I couldn't give a tish.
They are entitled to pursue their career path just like you, me and every other working person, it's their job, not their hobby.
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Quote from: Fulham Joe on August 09, 2020, 05:45:41 PM
My view is, if you leave, you're demonstrating that you have no loyalty for the club at all, how much money do these people need? they want to try living in the real world.
I'm happy to see Ryan Sessegnon pick up his wages at Tottenham, and not get a look in. Same goes for Ryan Fredericks, I have no time for him whatsover, I couldn't give a tish.
They are entitled to pursue their career path just like you, me and every other working person, it's their job, not their hobby.
Never really like these sorts of comparisons. For a normal person, a good career might mean they can send their kid to a school from which most kids go to Oxbridge, and a bad career might mean sending them to a school from which most kids go to prison. For footballers, a good career means two private jets and a bad career means just the one. Anyone saying they can't live off the £3m per year or so that we'd have offered to Sessegnon/Fredericks is being a little bit greedy IMO.
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There has been a few threads like this that make me a little perplexed. If we're being linked with Ryan Sess, Ryan Babel as examples, we should be bloody happy. Both know the squad, wouldn't ruin the changing room or team dynamic and clearly wouldn't cost a lot as it would be loans. Quite stunned really.
your quite stunned that we don't want to get the band back together that got us relegated without even a fight? I'm stunned that you are stunned
How would signing 2 players that improve on out current positions being getting the band back together......come on fella, head wobble.
in what way do they improve us, Babel was terrible last season and sess hardly kicked a ball and didn't light up the prem with us,don't live in the past, look at what they are doing now
Babel and Sess are improvements on Kebano, Cav and Knockaert. That's not to say I'm writing those guys off but adding Babel and Sess to current crop makes us a lot more competitive in those areas. I didn't include Kamara because a) I actually rate him higher than Sess and think he's on par or better than Babel. Plus he's a second striker for us so good versatility for the squad. Could you provide some realistic alternatives to say both Babel and Sess at reasonable prices?
how are you proclaiming that sess and Babel are an improvement? Cav and knockaert both have better prem stats than sess. Both along with kebano actually played football this season, and Babel is old and had a poor season. So I can only presume you are proclaiming this because of what sess did in the championship and what Babel did for us two seasons ago, of which has zero bearing on their current abilities. And as to price, why does it have to be cheap, if you want cheap stick with what we have. If you want to actually try and upgrade on our positions then we have to look forwards, not back and spend some money. We don't need the same amount of players as we did last time so quality not quantity should be the goal.
I'm proclaiming it much like you're proclaiming it but from a different perspective. Having watched both last season, I don't think either were particularly poor, especially Babel, but rather played in teams that largely either struggled or didn't play to their strengths. Would you say Cav and Knockaert had good seasons last year? Or Kebano for that matter? And that was in a team that was one of the best in the division in the championship compared to champions league, international and EPL. (I'll not mention the Turkish league as we both know the championship is on par or better). I'll say again, both know the club, both know the team, and both will improve our squad. If better is available, great but I won't be turning my nose up if we sign both on decent loan options.
As for quality over quantity, I agree and as I said, both players would enrich this squad and push for a starting spot.
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There has been a few threads like this that make me a little perplexed. If we're being linked with Ryan Sess, Ryan Babel as examples, we should be bloody happy. Both know the squad, wouldn't ruin the changing room or team dynamic and clearly wouldn't cost a lot as it would be loans. Quite stunned really.
your quite stunned that we don't want to get the band back together that got us relegated without even a fight? I'm stunned that you are stunned
How would signing 2 players that improve on out current positions being getting the band back together......come on fella, head wobble.
in what way do they improve us, Babel was terrible last season and sess hardly kicked a ball and didn't light up the prem with us,don't live in the past, look at what they are doing now
Babel and Sess are improvements on Kebano, Cav and Knockaert. That's not to say I'm writing those guys off but adding Babel and Sess to current crop makes us a lot more competitive in those areas. I didn't include Kamara because a) I actually rate him higher than Sess and think he's on par or better than Babel. Plus he's a second striker for us so good versatility for the squad. Could you provide some realistic alternatives to say both Babel and Sess at reasonable prices?
how are you proclaiming that sess and Babel are an improvement? Cav and knockaert both have better prem stats than sess. Both along with kebano actually played football this season, and Babel is old and had a poor season. So I can only presume you are proclaiming this because of what sess did in the championship and what Babel did for us two seasons ago, of which has zero bearing on their current abilities. And as to price, why does it have to be cheap, if you want cheap stick with what we have. If you want to actually try and upgrade on our positions then we have to look forwards, not back and spend some money. We don't need the same amount of players as we did last time so quality not quantity should be the goal.
I'm proclaiming it much like you're proclaiming it but from a different perspective. Having watched both last season, I don't think either were particularly poor, especially Babel, but rather played in teams that largely either struggled or didn't play to their strengths. Would you say Cav and Knockaert had good seasons last year? Or Kebano for that matter? And that was in a team that was one of the best in the division in the championship compared to champions league, international and EPL. (I'll not mention the Turkish league as we both know the championship is on par or better). I'll say again, both know the club, both know the team, and both will improve our squad. If better is available, great but I won't be turning my nose up if we sign both on decent loan options.
As for quality over quantity, I agree and as I said, both players would enrich this squad and push for a starting spot.
so if you had to pick one, would you pick sess or Babel who replaced him
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Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
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Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:02:14 AM
There has been a few threads like this that make me a little perplexed. If we're being linked with Ryan Sess, Ryan Babel as examples, we should be bloody happy. Both know the squad, wouldn't ruin the changing room or team dynamic and clearly wouldn't cost a lot as it would be loans. Quite stunned really.
your quite stunned that we don't want to get the band back together that got us relegated without even a fight? I'm stunned that you are stunned
How would signing 2 players that improve on out current positions being getting the band back together......come on fella, head wobble.
in what way do they improve us, Babel was terrible last season and sess hardly kicked a ball and didn't light up the prem with us,don't live in the past, look at what they are doing now
Babel and Sess are improvements on Kebano, Cav and Knockaert. That's not to say I'm writing those guys off but adding Babel and Sess to current crop makes us a lot more competitive in those areas. I didn't include Kamara because a) I actually rate him higher than Sess and think he's on par or better than Babel. Plus he's a second striker for us so good versatility for the squad. Could you provide some realistic alternatives to say both Babel and Sess at reasonable prices?
how are you proclaiming that sess and Babel are an improvement? Cav and knockaert both have better prem stats than sess. Both along with kebano actually played football this season, and Babel is old and had a poor season. So I can only presume you are proclaiming this because of what sess did in the championship and what Babel did for us two seasons ago, of which has zero bearing on their current abilities. And as to price, why does it have to be cheap, if you want cheap stick with what we have. If you want to actually try and upgrade on our positions then we have to look forwards, not back and spend some money. We don't need the same amount of players as we did last time so quality not quantity should be the goal.
I'm proclaiming it much like you're proclaiming it but from a different perspective. Having watched both last season, I don't think either were particularly poor, especially Babel, but rather played in teams that largely either struggled or didn't play to their strengths. Would you say Cav and Knockaert had good seasons last year? Or Kebano for that matter? And that was in a team that was one of the best in the division in the championship compared to champions league, international and EPL. (I'll not mention the Turkish league as we both know the championship is on par or better). I'll say again, both know the club, both know the team, and both will improve our squad. If better is available, great but I won't be turning my nose up if we sign both on decent loan options.
As for quality over quantity, I agree and as I said, both players would enrich this squad and push for a starting spot.
so if you had to pick one, would you pick sess or Babel who replaced him
Sorry mate but I might be misreading what you mean. Do you mean if I had to pick one to come back who would I choose? If so. Babel.
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 11:22:35 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 06:13:15 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 12:34:03 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:02:14 AM
There has been a few threads like this that make me a little perplexed. If we're being linked with Ryan Sess, Ryan Babel as examples, we should be bloody happy. Both know the squad, wouldn't ruin the changing room or team dynamic and clearly wouldn't cost a lot as it would be loans. Quite stunned really.
your quite stunned that we don't want to get the band back together that got us relegated without even a fight? I'm stunned that you are stunned
How would signing 2 players that improve on out current positions being getting the band back together......come on fella, head wobble.
in what way do they improve us, Babel was terrible last season and sess hardly kicked a ball and didn't light up the prem with us,don't live in the past, look at what they are doing now
Babel and Sess are improvements on Kebano, Cav and Knockaert. That's not to say I'm writing those guys off but adding Babel and Sess to current crop makes us a lot more competitive in those areas. I didn't include Kamara because a) I actually rate him higher than Sess and think he's on par or better than Babel. Plus he's a second striker for us so good versatility for the squad. Could you provide some realistic alternatives to say both Babel and Sess at reasonable prices?
how are you proclaiming that sess and Babel are an improvement? Cav and knockaert both have better prem stats than sess. Both along with kebano actually played football this season, and Babel is old and had a poor season. So I can only presume you are proclaiming this because of what sess did in the championship and what Babel did for us two seasons ago, of which has zero bearing on their current abilities. And as to price, why does it have to be cheap, if you want cheap stick with what we have. If you want to actually try and upgrade on our positions then we have to look forwards, not back and spend some money. We don't need the same amount of players as we did last time so quality not quantity should be the goal.
I'm proclaiming it much like you're proclaiming it but from a different perspective. Having watched both last season, I don't think either were particularly poor, especially Babel, but rather played in teams that largely either struggled or didn't play to their strengths. Would you say Cav and Knockaert had good seasons last year? Or Kebano for that matter? And that was in a team that was one of the best in the division in the championship compared to champions league, international and EPL. (I'll not mention the Turkish league as we both know the championship is on par or better). I'll say again, both know the club, both know the team, and both will improve our squad. If better is available, great but I won't be turning my nose up if we sign both on decent loan options.
As for quality over quantity, I agree and as I said, both players would enrich this squad and push for a starting spot.
so if you had to pick one, would you pick sess or Babel who replaced him
Sorry mate but I might be misreading what you mean. Do you mean if I had to pick one to come back who would I choose? If so. Babel.
yes that's exactly what I meant.
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 11:26:54 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 11:22:35 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 06:13:15 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 09, 2020, 12:34:03 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on August 09, 2020, 12:02:14 AM
There has been a few threads like this that make me a little perplexed. If we're being linked with Ryan Sess, Ryan Babel as examples, we should be bloody happy. Both know the squad, wouldn't ruin the changing room or team dynamic and clearly wouldn't cost a lot as it would be loans. Quite stunned really.
your quite stunned that we don't want to get the band back together that got us relegated without even a fight? I'm stunned that you are stunned
How would signing 2 players that improve on out current positions being getting the band back together......come on fella, head wobble.
in what way do they improve us, Babel was terrible last season and sess hardly kicked a ball and didn't light up the prem with us,don't live in the past, look at what they are doing now
Babel and Sess are improvements on Kebano, Cav and Knockaert. That's not to say I'm writing those guys off but adding Babel and Sess to current crop makes us a lot more competitive in those areas. I didn't include Kamara because a) I actually rate him higher than Sess and think he's on par or better than Babel. Plus he's a second striker for us so good versatility for the squad. Could you provide some realistic alternatives to say both Babel and Sess at reasonable prices?
how are you proclaiming that sess and Babel are an improvement? Cav and knockaert both have better prem stats than sess. Both along with kebano actually played football this season, and Babel is old and had a poor season. So I can only presume you are proclaiming this because of what sess did in the championship and what Babel did for us two seasons ago, of which has zero bearing on their current abilities. And as to price, why does it have to be cheap, if you want cheap stick with what we have. If you want to actually try and upgrade on our positions then we have to look forwards, not back and spend some money. We don't need the same amount of players as we did last time so quality not quantity should be the goal.
I'm proclaiming it much like you're proclaiming it but from a different perspective. Having watched both last season, I don't think either were particularly poor, especially Babel, but rather played in teams that largely either struggled or didn't play to their strengths. Would you say Cav and Knockaert had good seasons last year? Or Kebano for that matter? And that was in a team that was one of the best in the division in the championship compared to champions league, international and EPL. (I'll not mention the Turkish league as we both know the championship is on par or better). I'll say again, both know the club, both know the team, and both will improve our squad. If better is available, great but I won't be turning my nose up if we sign both on decent loan options.
As for quality over quantity, I agree and as I said, both players would enrich this squad and push for a starting spot.
so if you had to pick one, would you pick sess or Babel who replaced him
Sorry mate but I might be misreading what you mean. Do you mean if I had to pick one to come back who would I choose? If so. Babel.
yes that's exactly what I meant.
Like, don't get me wrong, if neither came in, I wouldn't be disappointed. But I'm not deflated by the link if that makes sense. I do agree with Statto though that I'd like to see some pace added out wide. Kamara will be great for that I think but I'd like some threat on both flanks.
