Seems to have gone all Pete Tong.
Has Tony already got his man? as there seems to be zero rumours or bids in for a RB.
Is it Christie? Sess? or has Odoi agreed to a new deal or do we have a free agent primed ready to sign?
and S.P?
LCB is number one priority for me
Starting the season with Odoi at RB - not the end of the world
Starting the season with Ream at LCB - suicidal
What would you pay to get Fred back ?
Quote from: Statto on August 21, 2020, 05:34:01 PM
LCB is number one priority for me
Starting the season with Odoi at RB - not the end of the world
Starting the season with Ream at LCB - suicidal
In the 12 matches played after Lockdown we recorded 5 clean sheets over 90 minutes. Parker had got our defense working well , it will not be a disaster if we start where we left off but remember Reed was an important part of the defense.
Quote from: filham on August 21, 2020, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 21, 2020, 05:34:01 PM
LCB is number one priority for me
Starting the season with Odoi at RB - not the end of the world
Starting the season with Ream at LCB - suicidal
In the 12 matches played after Lockdown we recorded 5 clean sheets over 90 minutes. Parker had got our defense working well , it will not be a disaster if we start where we left off but remember Reed was an important part of the defense.
That would be fine if our upcoming fixtures were against Forest and Birmingham. Not sure Arsenal and Wolves will be so easy to defend against.
We obviously need both. However, given the choice, I'd say a LCB is slightly more pressing. We simply can't start the season with Ream if we hope to survive. A great servant, but far too slow at this level. We 'could' muddle through the first few games with Odoi and Christie, despite being far from ideal.
Quote from: Classic94 on August 21, 2020, 05:45:02 PM
We obviously need both. However, given the choice, I'd say a LCB is slightly more pressing. We simply can't start the season with Ream if we hope to survive. A great servant, but far too slow at this level. We 'could' muddle through the first few games with Odoi and Christie, despite being far from ideal.
Last time we were up we had both
MLM and
Tim Ream in the back. It's a horrible partnership. With Big Mike I trust Ream more at LCB than I do Dennis Odoi as a starting rb. Auba would eat him alive.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 21, 2020, 07:07:45 PM
Quote from: Classic94 on August 21, 2020, 05:45:02 PM
We obviously need both. However, given the choice, I'd say a LCB is slightly more pressing. We simply can't start the season with Ream if we hope to survive. A great servant, but far too slow at this level. We 'could' muddle through the first few games with Odoi and Christie, despite being far from ideal.
Last time we were up we had both MLM and Tim Ream in the back. It's a horrible partnership. With Big Mike I trust Ream more at LCB than I do Dennis Odoi as a starting rb. Auba would eat him alive.
After last time I have no faith in Ream, Odoi, Christie or MLM as regular starters in the Prem. Obviously we need a squad of say 25 and these guys surely can't be more than back up because if that's the way it pans out we'll be back in the Championship this time next year.
I would like it to be Elseid Hysaj - Napoli wont play in europe next season and his contract is up in 12months...
Lets have a thread about a topic that does not transpire into a debate about Ream please.
As for on topic: relax. We have absolutley no idea how far along we are in the process of signing a RB. We dont know if we've put in a bid or not for Cash, or anyone else for that matter. And if we havent, we wouldnt know why there hasnt been a bid in place. We can only be patient and trust the people in charge know what they are doing
Personally I feel a CB is more vital for a sturdy defence than a RB, but ultimatley its about how the entire team goes about in its collective defending.
The back four are all important but don't underestimate the value added to our defense by Reed who has yet to be signed.
Without Reed who fills that defensive midfield position, McDonald or Johanson.
In terms of natural talent, Marlon Fossey is, in my view, one of the most gifted to have come through the academy in the last 10 years or so. I thought he was more first team ready than Ryan Sess when Sess got his first team call. Sadly he has lost 3 seasons to injury and have no idea whether someone so young can get over that either physically or as a player.
That said I would be very interested to see whether he can step up. Whether that is being sent out on loan or being first back up, I'm not sure but regardless I will be watching his progress very closely.
I appreciate everything Tim Ream has done for our club but the fact remains that for me the 2 most critical signings are a LCB and Reed. I'm not even sure that a RB is 3rd most critical, one could argue that a striker is more important?
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 21, 2020, 07:07:45 PM
Quote from: Classic94 on August 21, 2020, 05:45:02 PM
We obviously need both. However, given the choice, I'd say a LCB is slightly more pressing. We simply can't start the season with Ream if we hope to survive. A great servant, but far too slow at this level. We 'could' muddle through the first few games with Odoi and Christie, despite being far from ideal.
Last time we were up we had both MLM and Tim Ream in the back. It's a horrible partnership. With Big Mike I trust Ream more at LCB than I do Dennis Odoi as a starting rb. Auba would eat him alive.
Not to let facts get in the way but the 3 games Ream and MLM were the CB partnership were all clean sheets and wins
Fulham 2–0 Everton
Bournemouth 0–1 Fulham
Fulham 1–0 Cardiff City
Not so horrible
Meantime back to RB
I think Parker may play 3 CBs - so how about Knockart are RWB ?
I was more impressed by his energy and defence than quality in the final third
Quote from: Riverside on August 23, 2020, 10:45:57 AM
Meantime back to RB
I think Parker may play 3 CBs - so how about Knockart are RWB ?
I was more impressed by his energy and defence than quality in the final third
Knockart's passing was way off in the Play - Off final, a 3 metre pass went straight to the opposition, but one of many passes that went astray.
We were apparently one of 3 clubs with bids in for Kongolo, he has to decide. I would be very happy to get him back but would think we need another centre back as his injury issues need to be covered. If we kept Ream and MLM as cover, Parker must like MLM as he is normally a sub on 80 mins when we are holding a lead..., would that be enough ?
Quote from: FulhamStu on August 23, 2020, 10:52:41 AM
We were apparently one of 3 clubs with bids in for Kongolo, he has to decide. I would be very happy to get him back but would think we need another centre back as his injury issues need to be covered. If we kept Ream and MLM as cover, Parker must like MLM as he is normally a sub on 80 mins when we are holding a lead..., would that be enough ?
Would happily take Kongolo. Don't rate MLM at all - was a liability at PL level, and shaky even in the Championship.
Kongolo will not be fit to start the season, from Huddersfield's twitter: Kongolo has a 'more long-term injury' and would not be 'able to help the squad fast'.
Quote from: FulhamStu on August 23, 2020, 10:52:41 AM
We were apparently one of 3 clubs with bids in for Kongolo, he has to decide. I would be very happy to get him back but would think we need another centre back as his injury issues need to be covered. If we kept Ream and MLM as cover, Parker must like MLM as he is normally a sub on 80 mins when we are holding a lead..., would that be enough ?
Huddersfield have tweeted that Kongolo is still not fit, would two and a bit weeks be enough for him to get to match fitness if we did sign him?
Quote from: Classic94 on August 23, 2020, 12:15:14 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on August 23, 2020, 10:52:41 AM
We were apparently one of 3 clubs with bids in for Kongolo, he has to decide. I would be very happy to get him back but would think we need another centre back as his injury issues need to be covered. If we kept Ream and MLM as cover, Parker must like MLM as he is normally a sub on 80 mins when we are holding a lead..., would that be enough ?
Would happily take Kongolo. Don't rate MLM at all - was a liability at PL level, and shaky even in the Championship.
Virtually everyone was a liability at our last PL venture.
Quote from: FulhamStu on August 21, 2020, 05:36:55 PM
What would you pay to get Fred back ?
I think there is a bit of a financial crisis at West Hamm and Fredericks didn't play a lot for them recently.
Be great to see him back at the Cottage.
Quote from: Black, White and Fred on August 23, 2020, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on August 23, 2020, 10:52:41 AM
We were apparently one of 3 clubs with bids in for Kongolo, he has to decide. I would be very happy to get him back but would think we need another centre back as his injury issues need to be covered. If we kept Ream and MLM as cover, Parker must like MLM as he is normally a sub on 80 mins when we are holding a lead..., would that be enough ?
Huddersfield have tweeted that Kongolo is still not fit, would two and a bit weeks be enough for him to get to match fitness if we did sign him?
Kongolo has been out injured for a long time, sounds as if their is a problem there, lets not take the risk.
There must be options available to us.
Isn't Fredericks another one who is carrying an injury which would make him a risk?
OMG...I contributed to this thread going completely off topic.
My RB suggestions.
1) Mbabu - under utilized RB for Wolfsburg. Love his physicality and pace.
2) Cyrus Christie - give him a go
3) DeAndre Yedlin - not a great defender...but fast, with EPL experience.
4) Thierry Correia - Valencia RB
5) Marlon Fossey - who knows where his health will take him. Not enough lower level experience imo. I also question his work rate. Converted attacking midfielder, so not completely sold on his defense.
lol...two of the players on my list got Covid...but I don't care. imo Mbabu or Correia would be improvements on what we currently have. Yedlin as well.
I thought Christie was looking good towards the end of last season and it is just possible that he could prove himself in the Premier League. That is a big risk though and Parker has a tough call to make. I think we should play safe and make a new signing of a player proven at this level.
I read on sky sports villa are after kieran trippier not sure hiw true that is but if he would go to villa surely we would have a a chance of signing him too
Quote from: filham on August 23, 2020, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: Black, White and Fred on August 23, 2020, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on August 23, 2020, 10:52:41 AM
We were apparently one of 3 clubs with bids in for Kongolo, he has to decide. I would be very happy to get him back but would think we need another centre back as his injury issues need to be covered. If we kept Ream and MLM as cover, Parker must like MLM as he is normally a sub on 80 mins when we are holding a lead..., would that be enough ?
Huddersfield have tweeted that Kongolo is still not fit, would two and a bit weeks be enough for him to get to match fitness if we did sign him?
Kongolo has been out injured for a long time, sounds as if their is a problem there, lets not take the risk.
There must be options available to us.
Forget injured players especially if expensive and not homegrown, we need to build a center-back partnership for the next four years not play musical chairs between injured and recovering central defenders.
Are central defenders more likely to get long term injuries? - usually being big men, probably more susceptible to knee problems.
Fulham have stuck with Mawson for so long, paying for his treatment, seems a shame to jettison him now - the club must not only see his potential, well we bought him in the first place, but that he can return to full fitness.
What's Kongolo's long term injury record? he does seems potentially a good acquisition for this problematic position, at this level.
Quote from: RaySmith on August 24, 2020, 04:23:52 AM
Are central defenders more likely to get long term injuries? - usually being big men, probably more susceptible to knee problems.
Fulham have stuck with Mawson for so long, paying for his treatment, seems a shame to jettison him now - the club must not only see his potential, well we bought him in the first place, but that he can return to full fitness.
What's Kongolo's long term injury record? he does seems potentially a good acquisition for this problematic position, at this level.
Fulham aren't going to jettison Mawson. No DoF is going to take his contract without knowing he will stay healthy. Which is why being a sub this season, and a player who plays in the FA Cup, would be best for him.
I'm good with Mawson being the second CB off the bench (Ream being the first).
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 24, 2020, 04:52:04 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 24, 2020, 04:23:52 AM
Are central defenders more likely to get long term injuries? - usually being big men, probably more susceptible to knee problems.
Fulham have stuck with Mawson for so long, paying for his treatment, seems a shame to jettison him now - the club must not only see his potential, well we bought him in the first place, but that he can return to full fitness.
What's Kongolo's long term injury record? he does seems potentially a good acquisition for this problematic position, at this level.
Fulham aren't going to jettison Mawson. No DoF is going to take his contract without knowing he will stay healthy. Which is why being a sub this season, and a player who plays in the FA Cup, would be best for him.
I'm good with Mawson being the second CB off the bench (Ream being the first).
I think it's better to have Ream as our first CB off the bench when we play a back five or as a second CB off the bench when we play a back four. With Mawson and MLM as squad players that get fit and cover for the bench.
We need to buy at least one center-back on a four-year contract prepared to play in the championship if required (another Hector) and bring in a quality premier league centre-back in short-term one to two years to keep us up.
Is RB really the most important position to fill? We have Odoi, Christie, Sess and Fossey.
The position where we only have 1 player is central striker. If Mitro is injured or suspended then we have no competent back up. Cav, Knockhaert and Kebano are all basically wide players. Reid seems to be a second striker/winger/attacking midfield player. Stansfield might fill the gap in
time.
A second top class striker is to my mind the most important missing position together with a new centre back.
I haven't heard any recent links for Nathaniel Clyne or Jayden Bogle - both decent options in my mind.
Villa linked with Trippier - potential option?
Quote from: Mullers OG on August 24, 2020, 10:17:30 AM
Is RB really the most important position to fill? We have Odoi, Christie, Sess and Fossey.
The position where we only have 1 player is central striker. If Mitro is injured or suspended then we have no competent back up. Cav, Knockhaert and Kebano are all basically wide players. Reid seems to be a second striker/winger/attacking midfield player. Stansfield might fill the gap in
time.
A second top class striker is to my mind the most important missing position together with a new centre back.
Well yes - because neither Christie or Odoi have the pace to be a premier league full-back and Sess and Fossey probably have the pace but are lacking enough experience even at Championship level to be first choice in the Premier League next season. I think Christie is good enough as back up, Odoi good enough as a utility cover for all defensive positions. However, Fossey and Sess need to go on loan in the Championship to get game time (Fossey in particular has played just 13 reserve games total in the last 3 seasons). We need a first choice right back with the pace and quality of Fredericks or better..
What about the guy from Notts Forest - cannot recall his name
Quote from: shepperton white on August 24, 2020, 02:00:59 PM
What about the guy from Notts Forest - cannot recall his name
Matty Cash seems more like a Premier League RWB to me, like Bryan. Maybe we could play a back three.
