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Title: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: 3-lions on August 26, 2020, 07:59:35 AM
come on . name the one you think we'd sign?

Is it Smalling, Chambers, Kongolo, Sarr name anyone . Just name the one your gut thinks we'd sign to start alongside Hector gameday one.

Personally think Smalling sadly will turn us down, we'd pass on Chambers and Kongolo due to their injury problems and end up with someone from Chelsea.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: bencher on August 26, 2020, 08:39:35 AM
Terry Angus
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: FFCFOREVER on August 26, 2020, 08:44:30 AM
Malang Sarr. He's going to Chelsea apparently but they want him to go out on loan.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Finnans Right Peg on August 26, 2020, 08:53:48 AM
Shane duffy or a last minute loan deal where u have to ask google who the xxxx is that
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Post by: ByTheRiver on August 26, 2020, 08:56:37 AM
Senderos and Zat Knight.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Beamer on August 26, 2020, 09:02:30 AM
Chris Coleman on a free.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: JimmyConway on August 26, 2020, 09:07:56 AM
It's a difficult position to fill currently as three of the top four teams in prem last season are all looking at this position and we are not competing at that level. Option might be to look at possible loan deal with Chelsea as they are top heavy with centre backs. I wonder if Smalling might see us as a backward step considering his been playing in Serie A for Roma.
It's no ringing endorsement with Watford being relegated but possible Cathcart or Dawson have Prem experience wouldn't imagine large transfer fee/s.
Let's hope we don't go for inexperienced type at that position.
One player from the championship who possibly could step up is Pontus? Typical no nonsense type who teams like Burnley & Sheff Utd tend to get the best out of. I don't think he would weaken our squad plus thinking of the games we will have to get something from like the two i mentioned then i would be more confident with someone like Pontus & Hector playing together in the trenches?
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 09:17:46 AM
In the Summer of 2018, we added three players to the squad that had played centre-back in the premier league the previous season and another centre-back that played Ligue Un and Europa League. Then for winter, we added a fourth former premier league centre-back to the squad and people said we didn't add enough, so we need to add more. 

We need to bring in at least two centre backs into the squad before deadline day, or we are repeating the same mistakes again. Get the base right this transfer window, and add a little talent elsewhere is the best we can do.

I'd love some Chelsea center-backs like Andreas Christensen, Fikayo Tomori and Ethan Ampadu with one buy and two loans, then we can consider playing a back three, play Tomori at RB or play Ampadu at DM sometimes too.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: ffccornwall on August 26, 2020, 09:22:39 AM
Quote from: Beamer on August 26, 2020, 09:02:30 AM
Chris Coleman on a free.
What a great signing he was.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Sting of the North on August 26, 2020, 09:26:20 AM
Quote from: JimmyConway on August 26, 2020, 09:07:56 AM
It's a difficult position to fill currently as three of the top four teams in prem last season are all looking at this position and we are not competing at that level. Option might be to look at possible loan deal with Chelsea as they are top heavy with centre backs. I wonder if Smalling might see us as a backward step considering his been playing in Serie A for Roma.
It's no ringing endorsement with Watford being relegated but possible Cathcart or Dawson have Prem experience wouldn't imagine large transfer fee/s.
Let's hope we don't go for inexperienced type at that position.
One player from the championship who possibly could step up is Pontus? Typical no nonsense type who teams like Burnley & Sheff Utd tend to get the best out of. I don't think he would weaken our squad plus thinking of the games we will have to get something from like the two i mentioned then i would be more confident with someone like Pontus & Hector playing together in the trenches?

In my opinion Pontus Jansson is heavily overrated. Unless he cust out silly mistakes and makes his game more about the team than himself I think he has found his level at the top half of the Championship. He does have many good qualities though, being both tough, good in the air and in the tackle as well as being fairly good technically, so if someone can sort him out then maybe he could play in the PL. Think we need to aim a lot higher than him, or otherwise we can just keep what we have.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: filham on August 26, 2020, 09:27:54 AM
Quote from: bencher on August 26, 2020, 08:39:35 AM
Terry Angus
Or Roger Brown but favourite would be Tony Gale a lovely ball playing centre Back that would be ideal for the modern game.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: filham on August 26, 2020, 09:31:38 AM
The safest choice to get us through this coming season would be Smalling but I doubt he will want to drop back to Fulham.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 09:44:02 AM
Quote from: ffccornwall on August 26, 2020, 09:22:39 AM
Quote from: Beamer on August 26, 2020, 09:02:30 AM
Chris Coleman on a free.
What a great signing he was.

Chris Coleman cost us £15.7 million in today's money on high wages for three seasons split between League One and Championship, the last of which he contributed half a season causing us to go the Premier League. Obviously, he is a better signing than Mawson or MLM, who also each contributed to promotion but great signing is pushing it. 
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: FFC1987 on August 26, 2020, 09:48:43 AM
Most likely but seemingly not happening would be Kongolo.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Whitestone on August 26, 2020, 09:49:22 AM
Quote from: filham on August 26, 2020, 09:31:38 AM
The safest choice to get us through this coming season would be Smalling but I doubt he will want to drop back to Fulham.

Agree
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: toshes mate on August 26, 2020, 09:53:32 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 26, 2020, 09:44:02 AM
Quote from: ffccornwall on August 26, 2020, 09:22:39 AM
Quote from: Beamer on August 26, 2020, 09:02:30 AM
Chris Coleman on a free.
What a great signing he was.

Chris Coleman cost us £15.7 million in today's money on high wages for three seasons split between League One and Championship, the last of which he contributed half a season causing us to go the Premier League. Obviously, he is a better signing than Mawson or MLM, who also each contributed to promotion but great signing is pushing it. 
You cannot seriously put a value on character, so I don't think you can put Coleman's signing in £p terms.  Some players are just priceless.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Lordedmundo on August 26, 2020, 10:29:35 AM
Well - Kongolo would be my first choice, but it seems that his recovery from injury has complications and he won't necessarily be fit for the start of the season.  He does have pace and I think that is what you need in the Premier League - even across the back four.  However, with Mawson looking likely to leave I would suggest that we need two centre backs - so one could be a younger pacier type (like Kongolo, Ampadu) and the other a more experienced 'no nonsense' type such as Cathcart or Janssen. That said - if we did sign both Kongolo and Ampadu (the latter on loan) then I would be happy enough with those two fighting for a starting place along with Hector with Ream and Odoi as back-up.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Bassey the warrior on August 26, 2020, 12:00:08 PM
Get Hangeland out of retirement.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Bryanthebroom on August 26, 2020, 12:10:18 PM
Ben White would be the dream pick. Will most likely be aiming higher than us though.
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Post by: H4usuallysitting on August 26, 2020, 12:11:47 PM
Giant Haystacks
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Jim© on August 26, 2020, 01:10:20 PM
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Quote from: Bryanthebroom on August 26, 2020, 12:10:18 PM
Ben White would be the dream pick. Will most likely be aiming higher than us though.

It seems that the reason Brighton wont sell to Leeds is that they don't want to directly strengthen a competitor for relegation.
Begs the question about why they let Knockeart join us then  064.gif
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Carborundum on August 26, 2020, 01:30:04 PM
 Honestly don't know, but Pontus Jansson would be a splendid signing as would Sean Morrison.  Both have an air of alpha dominance that radiates confidence to their teammates. 
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: FFC1987 on August 26, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
Quote from: Carborundum on August 26, 2020, 01:30:04 PM
Honestly don't know, but Pontus Jansson would be a splendid signing as would Sean Morrison.  Both have an air of alpha dominance that radiates confidence to their teammates.

That's a big yikes from me on both those recommendations.....
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Bassey the warrior on August 26, 2020, 02:00:30 PM
Quote from: Jim© on August 26, 2020, 01:10:20 PM
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Quote from: Bryanthebroom on August 26, 2020, 12:10:18 PM
Ben White would be the dream pick. Will most likely be aiming higher than us though.

It seems that the reason Brighton wont sell to Leeds is that they don't want to directly strengthen a competitor for relegation.
Begs the question about why they let Knockeart join us then  064.gif

Maybe because he's not strengthening us? :p
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Moltobueno on August 26, 2020, 04:34:27 PM
Don't know how realistic but why not go for Kabasele from Watford?
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Riversider on August 26, 2020, 11:29:03 PM
Malang Sarr from Chelsea on a season long loan, we were interested in him before he chose Chelsea, with them wanting to put him out on loan surely we will show an interest,
The downside of course is that we have our defence weakened every time we play Chelsea.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: The Rational Fan on August 27, 2020, 07:53:06 AM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 26, 2020, 02:00:30 PM
Quote from: Jim© on August 26, 2020, 01:10:20 PM
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Quote from: Bryanthebroom on August 26, 2020, 12:10:18 PM
Ben White would be the dream pick. Will most likely be aiming higher than us though.

It seems that the reason Brighton wont sell to Leeds is that they don't want to directly strengthen a competitor for relegation.
Begs the question about why they let Knockeart join us then  064.gif

Maybe because he's not strengthening us? :p

Ben White is worth more than £25m, I wouldn't sell a homegrown player like that either.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Bassey the warrior on August 27, 2020, 08:05:04 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 27, 2020, 07:53:06 AM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on August 26, 2020, 02:00:30 PM
Quote from: Jim© on August 26, 2020, 01:10:20 PM
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Quote from: Bryanthebroom on August 26, 2020, 12:10:18 PM
Ben White would be the dream pick. Will most likely be aiming higher than us though.

It seems that the reason Brighton wont sell to Leeds is that they don't want to directly strengthen a competitor for relegation.
Begs the question about why they let Knockeart join us then  064.gif

Maybe because he's not strengthening us? :p

Ben White is worth more than £25m, I wouldn't sell a homegrown player like that either.

I meant Knockaert.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: We Are Premier League on August 27, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
 Chambers
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Hoppus on August 27, 2020, 09:38:01 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on August 27, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
Chambers

Please no!
Injured and not good enough.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: filham on August 27, 2020, 10:29:12 AM
Quote from: Hoppus on August 27, 2020, 09:38:01 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on August 27, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
Chambers

Please no!
Injured and not good enough.
Remember in our last Premier league season how bad our defence was and Chambers was a failure in the back four. I was only as a makeshift defensive midfielder that he became useful.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Statto on August 27, 2020, 11:15:17 AM
Quote from: Hoppus on August 27, 2020, 09:38:01 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on August 27, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
Chambers

Please no!
Injured and not good enough.

+1
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: FFC1987 on August 27, 2020, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: Statto on August 27, 2020, 11:15:17 AM
Quote from: Hoppus on August 27, 2020, 09:38:01 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on August 27, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
Chambers

Please no!
Injured and not good enough.

+1

Ah, I'm conflicted by this one. At a reasonable price, lets say, less than 15m, he'd be a great asset to the squad, think Baird, can play full back, centre back and DM, so we get great cover. With form, he's good enough. He just has confidence issues I think. He came to us probably bottom of the barrel, having gone from potential England star to laughing stock at Arsenal. He rebuilt his name somewhat out of position for us in DM, but when played at the back, in an unsettled newly created team, he struggled, not only struggled but looked completely devoid of basic defence principles from spacial awareness, to where to lead attackers away from goal. He was poor. He went back to Arsenal, who just thought, 'great, hes back but he won't add much' but happened to pull together a string of decent performances in both CB and RB before eventually losing his place again through better players being fit/his own injury.

With that in mind, I think he'd enrich the squad, sometimes the first team, sometimes, the bench and I'd hope we didn't sink too much of our budget into him. Parker likes him, he knows the team and setup and how we play so I wouldn't be against this happening but I also wouldn't be over the moon either. He isn't the answer to our CB requirement but potentially could be for RB but definitely would provide cover.

Not mentioning his injury, this also stacks against him. We know all too well how players can depreciate after such injuries so I'd hope he is a future thought, not an immediate fix.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: ByTheRiver on August 27, 2020, 11:45:02 AM
One thing I don't think is being taken seriously enough re. Chambers (whether or not the situation at the club mitigates performances at CB - after all Slav is not given the same slack by many here and just termed as 'failed in the prem') is the ACL injury. There are a long list of players who have never been quite the same player after these. Some have continued but changed play style (forwards) and some have just dropped down. It's a very serious injury. HE was never the most mobile to start with. 

I think, regardless of views on whether he is good enough (I'm not a huge fan tbh), it would absolutely have to be a loan with a view to buy at the end of the season (number of performances and remaining in the league dependent). I'm not sure Arsenal would go for that, so...
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: We Are Premier League on August 27, 2020, 01:50:23 PM
Quote from: filham on August 27, 2020, 10:29:12 AM
Quote from: Hoppus on August 27, 2020, 09:38:01 AM
Quote from: We Are Premier League on August 27, 2020, 09:31:02 AM
Chambers

Please no!
Injured and not good enough.
Remember in our last Premier league season how bad our defence was and Chambers was a failure in the back four. I was only as a makeshift defensive midfielder that he became useful.

https://tbrfootball.com/arsenal-fans-react-to-calum-chambers-reports-amid-leeds-interest/
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: S.F.Sorrow on August 27, 2020, 02:03:52 PM
I was actually positive about signing Chambers but I had missed the part about ACL injury. That's definitely not what we need now. Any players we sign must be fit and ready for the start of the season. It's only two weeks left now and we are running out of time.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: fulhamfever on August 27, 2020, 03:10:34 PM
Sign Zouma from Chelsea
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Fernhurst on August 27, 2020, 03:39:06 PM
Sarr on loan from the mob down the road.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Jonnoj on August 27, 2020, 03:49:19 PM
Quote from: Riversider on August 26, 2020, 11:29:03 PM
Malang Sarr from Chelsea on a season long loan, we were interested in him before he chose Chelsea, with them wanting to put him out on loan surely we will show an interest,
The downside of course is that we have our defence weakened every time we play Chelsea.
This makes a lot of sense, decent player and left footed. So many suggestions above eg Smalling are for players who play on the right, we badly need a first choice left sided Cb to partner Hector. (And in my view a decent back up to Hector too).
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Classic94 on August 27, 2020, 03:57:47 PM
Would happily take Sarr, Tomori or Christensen off them.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Lordedmundo on August 27, 2020, 04:00:18 PM
Quote from: Jonnoj on August 27, 2020, 03:49:19 PM
Quote from: Riversider on August 26, 2020, 11:29:03 PM
Malang Sarr from Chelsea on a season long loan, we were interested in him before he chose Chelsea, with them wanting to put him out on loan surely we will show an interest,
The downside of course is that we have our defence weakened every time we play Chelsea.
This makes a lot of sense, decent player and left footed. So many suggestions above eg Smalling are for players who play on the right, we badly need a first choice left sided Cb to partner Hector. (And in my view a decent back up to Hector too).


Yes - agreed. The press seem to have picked up on this as well.  In fact Chelsea may even offer him to us - as they certainly won't see Fulham as a rival club next season. Then I think we just need one more centre half as back up with Ream (assuming Mawson is off)
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: ByTheRiver on August 27, 2020, 04:29:54 PM
Quote from: Classic94 on August 27, 2020, 03:57:47 PM
Would happily take Sarr, Tomori or Christensen off them.

Agreed. Or Zouma. In fact, going a step further, any two from those four would be just splendid!
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Lordedmundo on August 27, 2020, 05:17:25 PM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 27, 2020, 04:00:18 PM
Quote from: Jonnoj on August 27, 2020, 03:49:19 PM
Quote from: Riversider on August 26, 2020, 11:29:03 PM
Malang Sarr from Chelsea on a season long loan, we were interested in him before he chose Chelsea, with them wanting to put him out on loan surely we will show an interest,
The downside of course is that we have our defence weakened every time we play Chelsea.
This makes a lot of sense, decent player and left footed. So many suggestions above eg Smalling are for players who play on the right, we badly need a first choice left sided Cb to partner Hector. (And in my view a decent back up to Hector too).


Yes - agreed. The press seem to have picked up on this as well.  In fact Chelsea may even offer him to us - as they certainly won't see Fulham as a rival club next season. Then I think we just need one more centre half as back up with Ream (assuming Mawson is off)

Although I am now remembering Tony Khan's rather stupid comment - which you could say rules out any loan of younger players (!):

"Ryan already played for us in the Premier League and he didn't do enough to keep us in there. I can't be in the business of developing other people's players. I expect the squad to look very similar to the one that got promoted. We won't spend £100million again."

:doh:

Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: AnOldBrownie on August 27, 2020, 05:34:05 PM
I don't want us to loan from an EPL team in a position of importance.    We loan a CB, that's two games against Chelsea that player won't play.

Roma is reportedly trying to get Smalling for £18 million.    Who doesn't feel Chris Smalling is worth £25 million?   
If Roma get Chris Smalling for £18 million I'm going to be upset with TK.   Kongolo...still hurt.   Chambers...still hurt.

Manchester United need funds to get Sancho.   Fulham need a good EPL level CB.    Hmmm...


But my ideal signing would be Ben Godfrey.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: OldBrownShoe on August 27, 2020, 06:03:59 PM
Derek Lampe!
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Bassey the warrior on August 27, 2020, 06:07:53 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 27, 2020, 05:34:05 PM
I don't want us to loan from an EPL team in a position of importance.    We loan a CB, that's two games against Chelsea that player won't play.

Roma is reportedly trying to get Smalling for £18 million.    Who doesn't feel Chris Smalling is worth £25 million?   
If Roma get Chris Smalling for £18 million I'm going to be upset with TK.   Kongolo...still hurt.   Chambers...still hurt.

Manchester United need funds to get Sancho.   Fulham need a good EPL level CB.    Hmmm...


But my ideal signing would be Ben Godfrey.

If he doesn't want to play for us there's very little TK can do.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: The Rational Fan on August 28, 2020, 02:48:35 AM
Ben Godfrey would be wise to play for Norwich one more season as a top championship defender before making his move to the premier league again, he should get a lot of clean sheets in 46 game season to raise his value.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: AnOldBrownie on August 28, 2020, 03:34:11 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 28, 2020, 02:48:35 AM
Ben Godfrey would be wise to play for Norwich one more season as a top championship defender before making his move to the premier league again, he should get a lot of clean sheets in 46 game season to raise his value.

Or...he can get a good contract now and not wait.   What if he gets an Alfie Mawson level injury in championship?

Ben Godfrey would be wise to play in a better league and improve his skill level that way (while earning a higher salary).

As covid has reminded us.   There are no guaranteed tomorrows.    Stay at Norwich?   No sir.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: The Rational Fan on August 28, 2020, 03:43:54 AM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 28, 2020, 03:34:11 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 28, 2020, 02:48:35 AM
Ben Godfrey would be wise to play for Norwich one more season as a top championship defender before making his move to the premier league again, he should get a lot of clean sheets in 46 game season to raise his value.

Or...he can get a good contract now and not wait.   What if he gets an Alfie Mawson level injury in championship?

Ben Godfrey would be wise to play in a better league and improve his skill level that way (while earning a higher salary).

As covid has reminded us.   There are no guaranteed tomorrows.    Stay at Norwich?   No sir.

If money and not getting injured is most important, then signing up as Chelsea's fifth CB is a great option.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: RaySmith on August 28, 2020, 03:59:50 AM
Quote from: OldBrownShoe on August 27, 2020, 06:03:59 PM
Derek Lampe!

Remember big Derek well, though I don't suppose there are many on here now that still do.

Though some will have seen him as our regular cb, though from when i began watching Fulham in the early 60's, he was mostly a reserve, to the likes of Bobby Keetch, Bill lDodgin and Eddie Lowe.

Derek really  looked like a cb, though, and i well remember a big , glossy photo of him in a Fulham shirt, staring from the pages of my album - with his, personally gained, autograph scribbled across it.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: AnOldBrownie on August 28, 2020, 04:53:01 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 28, 2020, 03:43:54 AM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 28, 2020, 03:34:11 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 28, 2020, 02:48:35 AM
Ben Godfrey would be wise to play for Norwich one more season as a top championship defender before making his move to the premier league again, he should get a lot of clean sheets in 46 game season to raise his value.

Or...he can get a good contract now and not wait.   What if he gets an Alfie Mawson level injury in championship?

Ben Godfrey would be wise to play in a better league and improve his skill level that way (while earning a higher salary).

As covid has reminded us.   There are no guaranteed tomorrows.    Stay at Norwich?   No sir.

If money and not getting injured is most important, then signing up as Chelsea's fifth CB is a great option.

Well, if Chelsea were willing to pay him 25 million then he should absolutely do it.

Fortunately for him, there are other top league squads that will probably pay him good money to be a starter for them.   
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: alfie on August 28, 2020, 07:32:19 AM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 27, 2020, 05:34:05 PM
I don't want us to loan from an EPL team in a position of importance.    We loan a CB, that's two games against Chelsea that player won't play.

Roma is reportedly trying to get Smalling for £18 million.    Who doesn't feel Chris Smalling is worth £25 million?   
If Roma get Chris Smalling for £18 million I'm going to be upset with TK.   Kongolo...still hurt.   Chambers...still hurt.

Manchester United need funds to get Sancho.   Fulham need a good EPL level CB.    Hmmm...


But my ideal signing would be Ben Godfrey.
Why are you going to be upset withTK if Smalling doesn't want to come here.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: The Rational Fan on August 28, 2020, 08:13:19 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 28, 2020, 07:32:19 AM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 27, 2020, 05:34:05 PM
I don't want us to loan from an EPL team in a position of importance.    We loan a CB, that's two games against Chelsea that player won't play.

Roma is reportedly trying to get Smalling for £18 million.    Who doesn't feel Chris Smalling is worth £25 million?   
If Roma get Chris Smalling for £18 million I'm going to be upset with TK.   Kongolo...still hurt.   Chambers...still hurt.

Manchester United need funds to get Sancho.   Fulham need a good EPL level CB.    Hmmm...

But my ideal signing would be Ben Godfrey.
Why are you going to be upset withTK if Smalling doesn't want to come here.

Almost everyone was upset with TK for not signing the right players last time, even though all the players most people wanted probably didn't want to come anyway, it will be no different this time. Players join Fulham because they cannot join Crystal Palace, players that cannot join Crystal Palace aren't the players we want. Catch-22
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Sting of the North on August 28, 2020, 08:26:57 AM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 27, 2020, 05:17:25 PM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 27, 2020, 04:00:18 PM
Quote from: Jonnoj on August 27, 2020, 03:49:19 PM
Quote from: Riversider on August 26, 2020, 11:29:03 PM
Malang Sarr from Chelsea on a season long loan, we were interested in him before he chose Chelsea, with them wanting to put him out on loan surely we will show an interest,
The downside of course is that we have our defence weakened every time we play Chelsea.
This makes a lot of sense, decent player and left footed. So many suggestions above eg Smalling are for players who play on the right, we badly need a first choice left sided Cb to partner Hector. (And in my view a decent back up to Hector too).


Yes - agreed. The press seem to have picked up on this as well.  In fact Chelsea may even offer him to us - as they certainly won't see Fulham as a rival club next season. Then I think we just need one more centre half as back up with Ream (assuming Mawson is off)

Although I am now remembering Tony Khan's rather stupid comment - which you could say rules out any loan of younger players (!):

"Ryan already played for us in the Premier League and he didn't do enough to keep us in there. I can't be in the business of developing other people's players. I expect the squad to look very similar to the one that got promoted. We won't spend £100million again."

:doh:

Again, he does not say that we will not loan young players. That is a too narrow interpretation of what he said (notwithstanding that he said it in the context of Ryan specifically). If he thinks a player can make an important contribution to our first team this year he would of course not care if that player is 16 years old or 25 years old. However, what he might care about is whether or not it is possible to include an option to buy clause, which of course indirectly may rule out a lot of the younger players.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on August 28, 2020, 09:54:40 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 28, 2020, 03:59:50 AM
Quote from: OldBrownShoe on August 27, 2020, 06:03:59 PM
Derek Lampe!

Remember big Derek well, though I don't suppose there are many on here now that still do.

Though some will have seen him as our regular cb, though from when i began watching Fulham in the early 60's, he was mostly a reserve, to the likes of Bobby Keetch, Bill lDodgin and Eddie Lowe.

Derek really  looked like a cb, though, and i well remember a big , glossy photo of him in a Fulham shirt, staring from the pages of my album - with his, personally gained, autograph scribbled across it.

Derek Lampe, I can picture him now, reliable orthodox centre back, not the quickest but as you say mainly a reserve behind the others you mentioned.
Bobby Killer Keetch was a legend and still is before his premature passing away.
I always remember he stated that " the days of the footballing centre half are over, modern soccer demands a stopper, a player who destroys attacks and clears quickly ", and he was that player. 
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Moltobueno on August 28, 2020, 10:35:30 AM
Mason Holgate anyone?

He must be behind Mina and Keane in pecking order
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Jim© on August 28, 2020, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on August 28, 2020, 08:13:19 AM
Quote from: alfie on August 28, 2020, 07:32:19 AM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 27, 2020, 05:34:05 PM
I don't want us to loan from an EPL team in a position of importance.    We loan a CB, that's two games against Chelsea that player won't play.

Roma is reportedly trying to get Smalling for £18 million.    Who doesn't feel Chris Smalling is worth £25 million?   
If Roma get Chris Smalling for £18 million I'm going to be upset with TK.   Kongolo...still hurt.   Chambers...still hurt.

Manchester United need funds to get Sancho.   Fulham need a good EPL level CB.    Hmmm...

But my ideal signing would be Ben Godfrey.
Why are you going to be upset withTK if Smalling doesn't want to come here.

Almost everyone was upset with TK for not signing the right players last time, even though all the players most people wanted probably didn't want to come anyway, it will be no different this time. Players join Fulham because they cannot join Crystal Palace, players that cannot join Crystal Palace aren't the players we want. Catch-22

Last time we came up? I don't remember that. I remember most fans over the moon as we'd got players in all the positions that we'd wanted- LB Bryan, RB Fosu Mensah, CB Mawson/MLM/Chambers (cover for RB too), MF Seri/Anguissa GK Rico/Fabri, CF Mitro signed permanently etc. It was what transpired afterwards with the squad that was through poor management, not recruitment in my mind.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: Statto on August 28, 2020, 10:49:41 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on August 28, 2020, 08:26:57 AM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 27, 2020, 05:17:25 PM
Quote from: Lordedmundo on August 27, 2020, 04:00:18 PM
Quote from: Jonnoj on August 27, 2020, 03:49:19 PM
Quote from: Riversider on August 26, 2020, 11:29:03 PM
Malang Sarr from Chelsea on a season long loan, we were interested in him before he chose Chelsea, with them wanting to put him out on loan surely we will show an interest,
The downside of course is that we have our defence weakened every time we play Chelsea.
This makes a lot of sense, decent player and left footed. So many suggestions above eg Smalling are for players who play on the right, we badly need a first choice left sided Cb to partner Hector. (And in my view a decent back up to Hector too).


Yes - agreed. The press seem to have picked up on this as well.  In fact Chelsea may even offer him to us - as they certainly won't see Fulham as a rival club next season. Then I think we just need one more centre half as back up with Ream (assuming Mawson is off)

Although I am now remembering Tony Khan's rather stupid comment - which you could say rules out any loan of younger players (!):

"Ryan already played for us in the Premier League and he didn't do enough to keep us in there. I can't be in the business of developing other people's players. I expect the squad to look very similar to the one that got promoted. We won't spend £100million again."

:doh:

Again, he does not say that we will not loan young players. That is a too narrow interpretation of what he said (notwithstanding that he said it in the context of Ryan specifically). If he thinks a player can make an important contribution to our first team this year he would of course not care if that player is 16 years old or 25 years old. However, what he might care about is whether or not it is possible to include an option to buy clause, which of course indirectly may rule out a lot of the younger players.

Agreed

Although FWIW, logically that would probably rule out the majority of young players, because if they're good enough to make an important contribution to a PL first team at such a young age, they presumably have the potential to be top class players in the future, and as such are not players we can have any reasonable hope of signing permanently.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: General on August 28, 2020, 10:53:31 AM
Any loans we get in will be with a view to signing permanently - TK said that.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: itombomb on August 28, 2020, 11:05:57 AM
Quote from: General on August 28, 2020, 10:53:31 AM
Any loans we get in will be with a view to signing permanently - TK said that.
He's said, relating to Sess, we're not going to develop other people's players for them, that and your point are slightly different. In particular I think we were burned by Fosu-Mensah - someone who seemed to me clearly couldn't be arsed.

If you've got someone offered to you with the right quality and attitude and they could help you stay up then you'd be mad not to take them.
Title: Re: Which CB 'WILL' we sign?
Post by: AnOldBrownie on August 28, 2020, 01:08:28 PM
Quote from: alfie on August 28, 2020, 07:32:19 AM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 27, 2020, 05:34:05 PM
I don't want us to loan from an EPL team in a position of importance.    We loan a CB, that's two games against Chelsea that player won't play.

Roma is reportedly trying to get Smalling for £18 million.    Who doesn't feel Chris Smalling is worth £25 million?   
If Roma get Chris Smalling for £18 million I'm going to be upset with TK.   Kongolo...still hurt.   Chambers...still hurt.

Manchester United need funds to get Sancho.   Fulham need a good EPL level CB.    Hmmm...


But my ideal signing would be Ben Godfrey.
Why are you going to be upset withTK if Smalling doesn't want to come here.
I've read that Chris Smalling wants a move to Roma, but I've not read anything that specifically says he would not come to Fulham.

Obviously if Chris Smalling doesn't want a move to Fulham I wouldn't be mad at TK for that.

Where are people getting information that Smalling wouldn't come to Fulham? Other than wanting Championship football the Whites are a good landing spot.

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