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Title: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Milo on September 19, 2020, 04:54:51 PM
Join us here for post match analysis as we lost 4-3 to Leeds.

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Title: well there was ay least some positives
Post by: fulhamben on September 19, 2020, 04:57:20 PM
bad result, shocking defending, far too slow for the first hour, but there were at least a few positives. mitro still got it. zambo is pure class, bobby did well when he came on and we have scored some goals. we desperately need center backs and villa now becomes a must win game imo
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Tabby on September 19, 2020, 04:57:34 PM
Defense needs to be sorted out. Hector looking desperately out of his depth for a lot of the game.

On the positives, Tete and Anguissa look up for the Prem. Another beautiful cross and solid defensive work from Tete and Anguissa seems impossible to get off the ball.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: PaulJ123 on September 19, 2020, 04:57:37 PM
We need to spend big on a CB and a winger. Then get Kongolo in as well to replace Hector when he's fit.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 04:58:15 PM
NOW can we sign an attacking player and a CB?

SPEND THE MONEY!!!

Oh, and I will still never be a fan of Joe Bryan at this level, but that's just me.   If I were any of the top 10 EPL sides I'd attack our left side every time.


Odoi did ok today.

Zambo did ok today.

Tete did ok today.

Mitro did ok today.

The rest of the squad was forgettable.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: andyk on September 19, 2020, 04:58:19 PM
Parker will look at the positives, fighting back and showing tenacity; but that really was a warning sign, we are a shambles.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Mince n Tatties on September 19, 2020, 04:58:24 PM
I'm too depressed to say anything😥
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: ChesterTheTabby on September 19, 2020, 04:59:18 PM
Saved our GD a bit at least... Leeds shipped three more goals.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: andyk on September 19, 2020, 05:00:00 PM
So the Villa game is a must win?
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: EricB on September 19, 2020, 05:01:01 PM
Our defence was poor. On the plus side, I thought Anguissa looked good. Mitro came into the game once he started to get some service.  Why we persist with inverted wingers defies me, when we Mitro waiting for good early crosses. Think SP is still juggling to what his best team and formation is.  I sincerely hope finds out whilst he is still in a job.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Caedal on September 19, 2020, 05:02:29 PM
We played like we always play under Parker.

If he wants to continue to play this formation/style, then we absolutely need 2 starting cbs, 2 starting wingers, and a starting number 10. I have absolutely no interest in hearing anything about "squad harmony", if the current players cant handle it, then they shouldnt be professional footballers, and we should get rid.

I'd even be willing to have a look at Seri in the number 10 role, if he's at all interested in playing.

God knows how Cav was on the pitch at the end. Was literally like playing with 10 men with him on the pitch.

On the bright side, Anguissa is clearly our best player by MILES. I thought Tete also had a good game.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: ChesterTheTabby on September 19, 2020, 05:02:32 PM
Quote from: EricB on September 19, 2020, 05:01:01 PM
Our defence was poor. On the plus side, I thought Anguissa looked good. Mitro came into the game once he started to get some service.  Why we persist with inverted wingers defies me, when we Mitro waiting for good early crosses. Think SP is still juggling to what his best team and formation is.  I sincerely hope finds out whilst he is still in a job.

Scott will figure it out, but the squad may simply not be good enough
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: absenteeism on September 19, 2020, 05:02:58 PM
Scored 3 goals but I think that is as much from Leeds taking foot off the gas. We didn't have another notable chance after the third goal?

Overall, same old story. Despite 3 goals we don't look threatening I feel. Our wingers are useless probably due to our tactics. Mitro isolated.

Hector, Bryan, Onomah  :doh:

Lemina offered nothing coming on, strange that TC wasn't first choice
Title: Some of you won’t like this
Post by: Peabody on September 19, 2020, 05:04:18 PM
I just hope you swallow your biases and give the boy's some credit. Yes, we all know about our defence, but today's come back was tremendous and it sounds as though it was a very good game, so come on, applaud rather than criticise, and join me in watching MTOD tonight.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 05:04:19 PM
Quote from: OhConnah on September 19, 2020, 05:02:32 PM
Quote from: EricB on September 19, 2020, 05:01:01 PM
Our defence was poor. On the plus side, I thought Anguissa looked good. Mitro came into the game once he started to get some service.  Why we persist with inverted wingers defies me, when we Mitro waiting for good early crosses. Think SP is still juggling to what his best team and formation is.  I sincerely hope finds out whilst he is still in a job.

Scott will figure it out, but the squad may simply not be good enough

2 of our starting 11 for the majority of this season aren't even on the roster yet.  Of that I'm certain.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: hongkongfulham on September 19, 2020, 05:04:32 PM
Zambo looked a world beater today. Big positive.

Thought Hec was ok actually, not sure why he is getting slated.

A lot of our game will rely on our top 3 midfielders playing well, and AK/Cav/Josh were not at it today. BDR got a goal so maybe he gets a go next week, and knocky probably gets a go. Kebano should be starting for me.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: filham on September 19, 2020, 05:04:35 PM
No doubt we were beaten but we put up a good show, scored some goals and were in there fighting at the end,
Also there were some positives to take from the game, Anguissa and Lemina looked good as did Tete when in attack.

No doubt we really must not hesitate to spend big on a top class centre back.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: love4ffc on September 19, 2020, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 04:58:15 PM
NOW can we sign an attacking player and a CB?

SPEND THE MONEY!!!

Oh, and I will still never be a fan of Joe Bryan at this level, but that's just me.   If I were any of the top 10 EPL sides I'd attack our left side every time.


Odoi did ok today.

Zambo did ok today.

Tete did ok today.

Mitro did ok today.

The rest of the squad was forgettable.
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Positive thing Leeds conceeded as many goals as Fulham over the first two matches  :022:
Title: 4-3. Parker deserves the credit
Post by: Samsara on September 19, 2020, 05:04:52 PM
for turning this game around. Made two high energy subs that changed the game and will have alot to work from going forward. It's clear we have a different mentality than we did last time up.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 19, 2020, 05:05:16 PM
Every cloud has a silver lining.
This issue may help accelerate the purchase of a couple of central defenders and a winger at the very least, perhaps also a fox in the box to help Mitro before the rot sets in.
It is not a disaster but we need surgery on the field at the back and players in defensive areas.
We have a few players that can hold their own but we do need quality players in key areas ASAP.
Title: Re: Some of you won’t like this
Post by: ChesterTheTabby on September 19, 2020, 05:05:43 PM
It shows fight, we saved a bit of our GD, and Scott is still figuring out the good mix of old and new boys. We're going to be fighting for survival until the last day of the season - it's a long hard slog, let's go boys!!!
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: YankeeJim on September 19, 2020, 05:06:10 PM
That was a quick lock on the match thread.

Anyway, we have to come out ready to play. At this rate we'll concede 150 this season.
Joe & Tete were marginal. Lemina, Hector, Onomah, AK , Kebano &  Cav  were either terrible or non-existent.
Mitro didn't start to play until the second half. Not sure about the keeper. He seemed good at times but still, he conceded four.
BDR started sharply with the goal and then faded.
Frank was the loan bright spot.

I didn't lose faith the last season in the Prem until after the Jan window. I think I'll beat that this year.
Title: Re: Some of you won’t like this
Post by: alfie on September 19, 2020, 05:06:11 PM
Quote from: Peabody on September 19, 2020, 05:04:18 PM
I just hope you swallow your biases and give the boy's some credit. Yes, we all know about our defence, but today's come back was tremendous and it sounds as though it was a very good game, so come on, applaud rather than criticise, and join me in watching MTOD tonight.
Silly mistakes cost us, overall we fought well, Anguissa was immense, Hector poor.

Title: Re: 4-3. Parker deserves the credit
Post by: Bassey the warrior on September 19, 2020, 05:06:33 PM
Absolutely. I was very impressed today. We made bad errors and was very disappointed with Tete, but we gave it a real go and attacked brilliantly. Leeds are a good side and we will beat other teams playing that way if we cut out the errors.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: rebel on September 19, 2020, 05:06:38 PM
We had to go 4 - 1 down before we started to play, then we went to 4 - 3 and really should of pushed on. We looked a bit tried and disjointed after that.

Kebano looked a shadow of his end of season performances. We got drawn into the Leeds tempo.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: MisfitKid on September 19, 2020, 05:06:51 PM
Quote from: andyk on September 19, 2020, 05:00:00 PM
So the Villa game is a must win?
Yep.
Title: Re: Some of you won’t like this
Post by: RogFFC on September 19, 2020, 05:07:04 PM
agreed- but if we don't buy a 2x CB's then all the effort is pointless
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Tabby on September 19, 2020, 05:07:08 PM
Quote from: hongkongfulham on September 19, 2020, 05:04:32 PM

Thought Hec was ok actually, not sure why he is getting slated.

He misplaced a lot of his headers, should have been able to clear it for the first goal and completely lost track of Bamford for their third. Not sure what he was doing for their fourth either.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: andyk on September 19, 2020, 05:07:20 PM
The last ten minutes we were still not committing players forward. Leeds had more players in our box when they had the ball up our end  I'm trying to be positive but this looks so much like the last time.
Title: Re: Some of you won’t like this
Post by: fulhamben on September 19, 2020, 05:07:29 PM
we did it lots of times last season, we looked good in a lot of games, once the game was beyond. good subs, but thats it. we need points not concelation goals
Title: We will not get out off the bottom three.
Post by: ex-Pat on September 19, 2020, 05:08:03 PM
I said no way we beat Leeds last week, people on here will say that's the Spirit yeah dream on...
Title: Re: Some of you won’t like this
Post by: Bassey the warrior on September 19, 2020, 05:08:11 PM
Quote from: Peabody on September 19, 2020, 05:04:18 PM
I just hope you swallow your biases and give the boy's some credit. Yes, we all know about our defence, but today's come back was tremendous and it sounds as though it was a very good game, so come on, applaud rather than criticise, and join me in watching MTOD tonight.

I'm with you 100%. We played very well. Just let down by a couple of individual errors.

It was an excellent game.

I hope we play the same way next game.
Title: Re: Some of you won’t like this
Post by: love4ffc on September 19, 2020, 05:08:15 PM
Was both amazed and delighted how Bobby and Kabano came on and changed things. 
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Baszab on September 19, 2020, 05:08:43 PM
Hector- Worryingly out of position many times
Not much understanding with Tete - hopefully that will develop
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 05:09:04 PM
And before people start thinking I'm harsh...Joe Bryan does not suck.   I don't *fear* having him as our starting LB.

I just know we signed a better (bigger, faster) version of him and we didn't play him today.  Oh well.   Guess we'll see Antonee against Sheffield Wednesday (even though I'd play Joe against them and save Antonee for Villa).

On to the next game.
Title: Re: 4-3. Parker deserves the credit
Post by: Samsara on September 19, 2020, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on September 19, 2020, 05:06:33 PM
Absolutely. I was very impressed today. We made bad errors and was very disappointed with Tete, but we gave it a real go and attacked brilliantly. Leeds are a good side and we will beat other teams playing that way if we cut out the errors.

Areola should've saved their 3rd. Which is a relief because I am a Rodak loyalist and it looks like he deserves the #1. I thought Tete was alright, made some solid tackles and worked hard going forward. Anguissa is clearly more passionate than I had given him credit for. I partially credit Scotty in that regard as well.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Denver Fulham on September 19, 2020, 05:10:48 PM
Zambo had a very nice game. Combative, won and kept the ball, tracked back with more effort than in the past, great pass for BDR's goal.

Tete looks decent. Needs to get fully up to speed, but promising.

Reed was terrible today. He's like a small Chambers -- throws himself around, so people think he was impactful, but really bad actually.

Our defending was shambolic, but it's going to be until we upgrade our center back(s). We also badly need at least one starting caliber winger. And Onomah has been really poor for 1.7 matches now at AM. He needs to up his game. That's one of the gambles we've taken with this roster.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: JimmyConway on September 19, 2020, 05:11:30 PM
Today showed against an ordinary Leeds team that certain players will have limited impact in this division.
Onomah - Kamara  fromman attacking perspective
Bryan - Hector - Odoi not good enough defensively
Would also add Harrison Reed needs to find some extra pace if his going to make an impact at this level.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: RoyTund on September 19, 2020, 05:12:50 PM
Thought tete and Anguissa are big upgrades. Tete can actually deliver a cross.

Too slow first half. We seemed set up to contain which obviously went tits up after 5 mins.

Our full backs have to push on in our system which means we have to absolutely have to spend what is needed to get one prob two center backs in.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: grandad on September 19, 2020, 05:13:49 PM
Priority is a LCB that can give confidence to Hector. Odoi, great servant he has been, is not an EPL standard FB or CB. Dump this playing with inverted wingers. I hated this last season. It does not work. Wingers should cross from their correct sides with their dominant foot. Bryan has to make way for Robinson.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 05:14:11 PM
So it wasn't just me that thought Harrison Reed wasn't anything special? 

I'd give him a 5 grade.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: junior white on September 19, 2020, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 04:58:15 PM
NOW can we sign an attacking player and a CB?

SPEND THE MONEY!!!

Oh, and I will still never be a fan of Joe Bryan at this level, but that's just me.   If I were any of the top 10 EPL sides I'd attack our left side every time.


Odoi did ok today.

Zambo did ok today.

Tete did ok today.

Mitro did ok today.

The rest of the squad was forgettable.
Forget the attacking player for now sign defenders to play at CB we need a tall quickesh CB who can defend, obvious I know
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Lordedmundo on September 19, 2020, 05:16:13 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 05:14:11 PM
So it wasn't just me that thought Harrison Reed wasn't anything special? 

I'd give him a 5 grade.

He was a yard short last week, only half a yard this week. But inferior opposition of course....
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: itombomb on September 19, 2020, 05:17:12 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 05:14:11 PM
So it wasn't just me that thought Harrison Reed wasn't anything special? 

I'd give him a 5 grade.
It has to be in his contract that he's not allowed to shoot from outside the box. He was decent, he's a solid player who was decent doing his job.
Title: Re: 4-3. Parker deserves the credit
Post by: Twig on September 19, 2020, 05:17:20 PM
Parker deserves a lot of credit for changing the psychology of his squad. A year ago heads dropped and we had a losing mentality, now we fight to the end.
TK deserves blame for signing players we don't really need but utterly failing to strengthen the centre of defence.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: absenteeism on September 19, 2020, 05:17:38 PM
Harrison Reed is a micky mouse player.

Runs around a bit but no positional sense. Useless with the ball.

Lets get Luis over the line from Benfica
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Tabby on September 19, 2020, 05:18:28 PM
Quote from: itombomb on September 19, 2020, 05:17:12 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 05:14:11 PM
So it wasn't just me that thought Harrison Reed wasn't anything special? 

I'd give him a 5 grade.
It has to be in his contract that he's not allowed to shoot from outside the box. He was decent, he's a solid player who was decent doing his job.
Yeah, thought he did alright. At least he didn't gift the ball to Leeds with his back to goal like Lemina did. Think Lemina is fine further up the field but he makes me nervous coming deep.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Milo on September 19, 2020, 05:20:31 PM
Interesting reflections. Agree with consensus.

Anguissa looks very good. Good close control and strong. A bit like Dembele MK1.

Tete a bit rough round the edges but potential.

Hector has been woeful of late. Let's hope it's just a dip in form because he was excellent last year.

Bryan hit and miss as ever but wouldn't rush to replace him.

Mitrovic unfit and we need to play him in the games we are most likely to win and maybe rest him against the big teams as counter productive as that sounds in the short term.. because he was still a force today despite being off the boil.

Cav, Kebano, etc all just fill a gap really don't they. Don't offer much at this level except hard work rate.

AK remains an impact sub for me. His pace and strength and "something different" works best when we are out of ideas around 70 mins in when we need to get their defenders thinking.

All in all, we look below the standard to survive currently but there's an entire season to go. Only thing is, PL is far less forgiving than the CS and we have to treat games against those around us very seriously even at this early stage.

Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: SG on September 19, 2020, 05:21:19 PM
Quote from: grandad on September 19, 2020, 05:13:49 PM
Priority is a LCB that can give confidence to Hector. Odoi, great servant he has been, is not an EPL standard FB or CB. Dump this playing with inverted wingers. I hated this last season. It does not work. Wingers should cross from their correct sides with their dominant foot. Bryan has to make way for Robinson.
This has been our priority for three years and still no solution. We carry on conceding goals like this and there is only one place we are heading - back to the Championship.
Don't get me started on Bryan - his first job is to prevent centres into our box. Instead he seems to invite them to cross.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Nero on September 19, 2020, 05:21:47 PM
the priority is to get the ball up the pitch and in to the box quicker, the parkerball is like wilkinsball lots of possession no cutting edge, players just stood around not making runs theres no cutting edge, and have we every kept a clean sheet with Odoi in the back 4 in the premier league
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 05:23:01 PM
Quote from: Tabby on September 19, 2020, 05:18:28 PM
Quote from: itombomb on September 19, 2020, 05:17:12 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 05:14:11 PM
So it wasn't just me that thought Harrison Reed wasn't anything special? 

I'd give him a 5 grade.
It has to be in his contract that he's not allowed to shoot from outside the box. He was decent, he's a solid player who was decent doing his job.
Yeah, thought he did alright. At least he didn't gift the ball to Leeds with his back to goal like Lemina did. Think Lemina is fine further up the field but he makes me nervous coming deep.

Well...we see why we offered for Luis. 

Our squad is made up of a lot of solid subs.   Mitro, Anguissa, Tete, Cairney and maybe Reed (I think Robinson will fall in that group as well) are the exceptions.

We need 2/3 quality purchases over the next week.   Bremer/Kongolo...and I don't care who the winger is as long as he has size and pace. Someone to change up our slow attack.
Title: Re: 4-3. Parker deserves the credit
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 05:25:31 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 19, 2020, 05:17:20 PM
Parker deserves a lot of credit for changing the psychology of his squad. A year ago heads dropped and we had a losing mentality, now we fight to the end.
TK deserves blame for signing players we don't really need but utterly failing to strengthen the centre of defence.

We need to get behind Scott.  He's not going anywhere over the next two seasons.   If we get relegated imo it's going to be squarely on Tony Khan imo (and I'm a fan of his).

Scott can only perform with the players he's given.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: shepperton white on September 19, 2020, 05:30:41 PM
Did anyone listen to Merson's post match remarks? He said "everyone is looking for decent centre backs and nobody can get one".  Just gives a little perspective on FFC's recruiting problems
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: The Rock on September 19, 2020, 05:31:03 PM
The result was expected. We weren't going to beat Arsenal, and we weren't going to beat Leeds away.

At least there were some positives, and for the 837,463,928th time, it is confirmed we still need CB's.

I do expect we take all 3 points against Villa though. We can win 4 of the next six, and expect 3 from the next 6.

It's too early to pass judgement, and there are no lack of constructive criticisms. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on September 19, 2020, 05:34:03 PM
There were positives today quite a few, nobody said it was going to be easy, so have to keep our heads up and look forward to the next match, the next challenge and turn this round. Not long before the window closes .
But if we do not get two upgrades in defence, then it could be a long hard season which will separate the men from the boys.   
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: absenteeism on September 19, 2020, 05:44:27 PM
Parker: "I certainly realise we can't give goals up as easily as that. It's not about training, it's about a mindset and being on high alert. In the PL, if you're relaxed and not aggressive or sensing that danger, you're going to struggle."

Dodgy quote there from Scott.

I would hope a bit of training might help in tightening the defence Scott....
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 05:46:46 PM
Quote from: absenteeism on September 19, 2020, 05:44:27 PM
Parker: "I certainly realise we can't give goals up as easily as that. It's not about training, it's about a mindset and being on high alert. In the PL, if you're relaxed and not aggressive or sensing that danger, you're going to struggle."

Dodgy quote there from Scott.

I would hope a bit of training might help in tightening the defence Scott....

That's code for " I need 3 more premier league quality players".

We all know it.   Tony Khan better do something while we have the window and the money to spend.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Nero on September 19, 2020, 05:47:36 PM
Quote from: absenteeism on September 19, 2020, 05:44:27 PM
Parker: "I certainly realise we can't give goals up as easily as that. It's not about training, it's about a mindset and being on high alert. In the PL, if you're relaxed and not aggressive or sensing that danger, you're going to struggle."

Dodgy quote there from Scott.

I would hope a bit of training might help in tightening the defence Scott....

Yea, if only you had just over a year to train them Scott
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: ashteadFFC on September 19, 2020, 05:47:46 PM
CB (or 2) needed - we know that. I know we scored 3 but relying on Mitro worries me - need to strengthen here as well. To be fair we have some midfield players can score goals and it is nice to see Bobby get one - he seems a confidence player for me. Maybe Mitro/Bobby can be our Zamora/Johnson mark 2 partnership
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Mullers OG on September 19, 2020, 05:48:00 PM
I didn't think that was too bad. What are people expecting?  We went up via the playoffs. This was always going to be a huge task to stay in the top division. We look more purposeful than last time and we are managed better by someone who realised how difficult it's going to be.

Of course we need one or two top class centre backs but then everybody else is looking for those as well. Even if we find them do they want to join us or are there less fraught offers elsewhere?  Odoi was alright today but would be better used on the bench or to fill in when injuries/suspensions come. Hector is,I hope, just going through a rough patch.

We also desperately need more fire power up front. Mitro can't do it alone all the time. Reid isn't a no.9 and there's no-one else. We persist in playing Kamara who isn't a winger and is, at best, a sub in lower leagues. Time to cut our losses and sell him to free up space for someone better.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: SuffolkWhite on September 19, 2020, 05:48:36 PM
I didn't see anything but commitment today, maybe lack of CB's of Prem quality. Wr moved the ball well. If Leeds can stay up, so can we with a two better CB's! I know easier said than done.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Bill2 on September 19, 2020, 05:50:32 PM
Quote from: Caedal on September 19, 2020, 05:02:29 PM
We played like we always play under Parker.

If he wants to continue to play this formation/style, then we absolutely need 2 starting cbs, 2 starting wingers, and a starting number 10. I have absolutely no interest in hearing anything about "squad harmony", if the current players cant handle it, then they shouldnt be professional footballers, and we should get rid.

I'd even be willing to have a look at Seri in the number 10 role, if he's at all interested in playing.

God knows how Cav was on the pitch at the end. Was literally like playing with 10 men with him on the pitch.

On the bright side, Anguissa is clearly our best player by MILES. I thought Tete also had a good game.
Have to agree about Cav, thought he was rubbish last week and no better today, how SP can leave him on the pitch is beyond me. Wasteful with the ball and when near the opposition goal mouth always wants to cut inside and lose it. Someone should tell him that he can go on the outside and put a cross in.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: Mullers OG on September 19, 2020, 05:48:00 PM
I didn't think that was too bad. What are people expecting?  We went up via the playoffs. This was always going to be a huge task to stay in the top division. We look more purposeful than last time and we are managed better by someone who realised how difficult it's going to be.

Of course we need one or two top class centre backs but then everybody else is looking for those as well. Even if we find them do they want to join us or are there less fraught offers elsewhere?  Odoi was alright today but would be better used on the bench or to fill in when injuries/suspensions come. Hector is,I hope, just going through a rough patch.

We also desperately need more fire power up front. Mitro can't do it alone all the time. Reid isn't a no.9 and there's no-one else. We persist in playing Kamara who isn't a winger and is, at best, a sub in lower leagues. Time to cut our losses and sell him to free up space for someone better.

The difference being we have promotion money that we haven't even spent yet.   Not a lot of teams have that.

We should be able to bring in two CBs from other leagues simply by paying the relegation battle tax.   
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: RaySmith on September 19, 2020, 05:55:03 PM
 Agree with Woolly.

Very positive that we fought back and came within  a goalpost' s coat of paint of getting a point from a team tipped to finish   halfway in the table.

Our downfall, of course, was   awful defending, and this  needs to be sorted. New players, if we can get them, more confidence and organisation.
Hector is surely better than he is looking at the moment, as are all our players. Tete made a difference, as did Lemina i think.

But we need to look at the positives, and learn, and hopefully get some new faces at the back, and even a pacey forward alongside Mitro.


These things aren't  that easy to accomplish in such a short time, but a fans we need to get behind manager and team. The  fighting spirit today should be applauded - the game could so easily gone in the other direction, but  now we have some hope  at least, of improvement, after our second half performance, when   we looked at least as good as them.
WE scored three goals  away today.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: ALG01 on September 19, 2020, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on September 19, 2020, 05:55:03 PM
Agree with Woolly.

Very positive that we fought back and came within  a goalpost' s coat of paint of getting a point from a team tipped to finish   halfway in the table.

Our downfall, of course, was   awful defending, and this  needs to be sorted. New players, if we can get them, more confidence and organisation.
Hector is surely better than he is looking at the moment, as are all our players. Tete made a difference, as did Lemina i think.

But we need to look at the positives, and learn, and hopefully get some new faces at the back, and even a pacey forward alongside Mitro.


These things aren't  that easy to accomplish in such a short time, but a fans we need to get behind manager and team. The  fighting spirit today should be applauded - the game could so easily gone in the other direction, but  now we have some hope  at least, of improvement, after our second half performance, when   we looked at least as good as them.
WE scored three goals  away today.
Until we get a new DoF there are no positives, we are doomed to relegation again, but at least we have a good championship squad.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 06:07:24 PM
I've complained a lot today.

But I like the squad from top to bottom.


I like that we've kept our players from last season...like all of them...but we still need 2 starters.

Quote from: ALG01 on September 19, 2020, 06:05:02 PM

Until we get a new DoF there are no positives, we are doomed to relegation again, but at least we have a good championship squad.

Going to laugh at you when you're proven wrong.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: ALG01 on September 19, 2020, 06:17:32 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 19, 2020, 06:07:24 PM
I've complained a lot today.

But I like the squad from top to bottom.


I like that we've kept our players from last season...like all of them...but we still need 2 starters.

Quote from: ALG01 on September 19, 2020, 06:05:02 PM

Until we get a new DoF there are no positives, we are doomed to relegation again, but at least we have a good championship squad.

Going to laugh at you when you're proven wrong.

and I will be happy to to be proved wrong. but unfortunately i cannot imagine that happening. this is history repeating. The squad remains very unbalanced and we have allowed players that could easilly have been tempted here to gpo elsewhere.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: YankFFCFan on September 19, 2020, 06:35:42 PM
It's glaring that the need is for 2 Prem level CBs. Happy to see the boys get 3 in net in 90 though, wasn't sure we would see that this year. Need to clean up the back and start stealing some points.

Must get 3 from Villa next week.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: rebel on September 19, 2020, 06:56:13 PM
In some ways this is 2018, no pre-season, using the Prem games as pre-season, signing plays - the season has already started etc. We just need to make the best of it.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: ScalleysDad on September 19, 2020, 07:49:32 PM
It's an interesting read so far but some of the views and opinions are spread so far apart I sometimes think I watched a different game and the anti Parker rumblings starting already at least made me smile. Shocking defending from both sides and some harem scarum stuff throughout sums up what I watched. But for some stupidity in the penalty box, Bryan for their second and Mitro for some powder puff shooting and so openly manhandling the Leeds defenders this could have been a different game entirely and against the media darlings to boot. Parker made changes on Wednesday and again today to find the mix we need. Some players are looking like they will 'get it' and develop whilst others sadly look lost, last seasons messiah, Hector, was spectacularly found out again today. Lemina and Reed playing together to add some protection to the back line might yet work but then what of Cairney? I saw on another thread that some thought dropping Cairney was long overdue. Maybe so but giving Mitro the armband was hopefully a birthday present. Our captain needs to be in the mix and lead from the front and by example ......... damn if I know who that is other than Reed.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Porthogs FC on September 19, 2020, 07:55:02 PM
Quote from: EricB on September 19, 2020, 05:01:01 PM
Our defence was poor. On the plus side, I thought Anguissa looked good. Mitro came into the game once he started to get some service.  Why we persist with inverted wingers defies me, when we Mitro waiting for good early crosses. Think SP is still juggling to what his best team and formation is.  I sincerely hope finds out whilst he is still in a job.

We have inverted wingers because our fullbacks overlap for crossing. Also, we need more scoring threat than just Mitro. Thought Bobby DR, who I've never been positive about, had his best game in a while. His shadow striker was what was needed vs. Onomah's shocker.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Moltobueno on September 19, 2020, 07:59:28 PM
Besides the defending errors that lead to Leeds' goals, I thought our gameplay was limited due to poor wingers - several times we started counter attack from the middle and Reed/Zambo didn't have anyone ahead of them to pass to.
We could use someone like Babel indeed.

Kamara and Cav both lost the ball on the wing so many times and didn't create anything.

On the flipside - their left winger Harrison - barely noticed he's on the pitch (so I assume Tete marked him fine but got tired in the 2nd half).
Besides first 15min same for Helder Costa.
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Lyle from Hangeland on September 19, 2020, 08:12:17 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 19, 2020, 04:58:24 PM
I'm too depressed to say anything😥

Buck up and embrace the struggle. The Premier League is the Nazi Germany of professional football. Pick a beach, stand up and fight!
Title: Re: Post Match Thread: Leeds 4-3 Fulham
Post by: Steven Ageroad on September 19, 2020, 08:18:46 PM
Quote from: alfie on September 19, 2020, 05:06:11 PM
Quote from: Peabody on September 19, 2020, 05:04:18 PM
I just hope you swallow your biases and give the boy's some credit. Yes, we all know about our defence, but today's come back was tremendous and it sounds as though it was a very good game, so come on, applaud rather than criticise, and join me in watching MTOD tonight.
Silly mistakes cost us, overall we fought well, Anguissa was immense, Hector poor.



Totally agree with your comments on the game.
Re Hector, he's never played in the PL, is he now being found out after all of us raving about him last season. Let's hope he up's his game and proves he is a PL defender and not just a good Championship player.
Disappointing result but there were plenty of positives to hang on too.