Up to 4,000 :wine:
Stadiums will be allowed to re-open from December 2 once the second national lockdown has eased. Prime Minister Boris Johnson is set to make the announcement later today. Tier 1 areas will allow up to 4,000 spectators in their stadiums or 50 per cent of their capacity - whichever is lower.
Indoor events in Tier 1 can allow up to 2,000 fans or 50 per cent of capacity.
Tier 2 areas can welcome 2,000 fans or 50 per cent of the capacity - again whicever is lower.
Indoor events in Tier 2 will follow the same pattern, with a maximum of 1000 fans.
However, the stadiums that are in Tier 3 areas will not be permitted to allow spectators.
4,000? That'll see Brentford back up to their pre-Covid attendance levels then
I am surprised at that, interesting to see how the 4,000 are selected and if the remainder will still have access to the match on live TV.
after lockdown ends on December the 2nd stadiums within tier 1 can hold up to 4000 spectators
stadiums in tier 2 up to 2000 spectators
stadiums in tier 3 (which will be us ) behind closed doors
London shouldn't be in tier 3. It will, because Khan will lobby for it to justify his existence. But London has been one of the best off places in the second wave in terms of infection numbers vs hospital capacity.
Full house at Loftus Road then.
Quote from: Statto on November 23, 2020, 04:53:29 PM
London shouldn't be in tier 3. It will, because Khan will lobby for it to justify his existence. But London has been one of the best off places in the second wave in terms of infection numbers vs hospital capacity.
Hammersmith and Fulham has one of the worst infection rates in the country, or it did just before lockdown
These are the latest numbers per 100,000. If London is in tier 3 then the whole country will have to be as well, except perhaps East of England (full house at Norwich perhaps!)
Yorkshire and The Humber 358.5
North East 355.7
West Midlands 328.1
East Midlands 288.4
North West 271.6
London 193
South West 172.2
South East 177.4
East of England 140.4
Quote from: Statto on November 23, 2020, 05:04:53 PM
These are the latest numbers per 100,000. If London is in tier 3 then the whole country will have to be as well, except perhaps East of England (full house at Norwich perhaps!)
Yorkshire and The Humber 358.5
North East 355.7
West Midlands 328.1
East Midlands 288.4
North West 271.6
London 193
South West 172.2
South East 177.4
East of England 140.4
i dont think they will do london as a whole, they will break it down
Not sure I will attend until I have family and friends with me.So maybe a while yet.Hopefully by Easter as things progress fingers crossed.
Quote from: fulhamben on November 23, 2020, 05:13:18 PM
Quote from: Statto on November 23, 2020, 05:04:53 PM
These are the latest numbers per 100,000. If London is in tier 3 then the whole country will have to be as well, except perhaps East of England (full house at Norwich perhaps!)
Yorkshire and The Humber 358.5
North East 355.7
West Midlands 328.1
East Midlands 288.4
North West 271.6
London 193
South West 172.2
South East 177.4
East of England 140.4
i dont think they will do london as a whole, they will break it down
So the rules would be different at each end of putney bridge? Don't be silly!! No chance
Quote from: fulhamben on November 23, 2020, 05:13:18 PM
Quote from: Statto on November 23, 2020, 05:04:53 PM
These are the latest numbers per 100,000. If London is in tier 3 then the whole country will have to be as well, except perhaps East of England (full house at Norwich perhaps!)
Yorkshire and The Humber 358.5
North East 355.7
West Midlands 328.1
East Midlands 288.4
North West 271.6
London 193
South West 172.2
South East 177.4
East of England 140.4
i dont think they will do london as a whole, they will break it down
London is shown on the LBE dashboard at 197.7 but perhaps 193 is more up to date? But I agree with you Ben, I think tier levels will be determined by borough as there are huge variations between boroughs. I am in Ealing and we are significantly above the London average so I fear we may be in tier 3 although this would be nothing whatsoever to do with Sadiq Khan which was just a silly political dig from Statto.
Nothing political about my feelings towards Khan. The guy would be just as thick and just as pointless no matter what party he stood for. I sometimes wonder who voted for him... then I read suggestions that different boroughs only a couple of miles wide should all have different Covid regimes, and that explains it
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Quote from: Statto on November 23, 2020, 06:19:49 PM
Nothing political about my feelings towards Khan. The guy would be just as thick and just as pointless no matter what party he stood for. I sometimes wonder who voted for him... then I read suggestions that different boroughs only a couple of miles wide should all have different Covid regimes, and that explains it
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Not sure your point. Boundaries have to be drawn somewhere. Why should all London boroughs be the same if infection rates are more different than say between Kingston upon Thames ( London borough) and epsom and ewell (Surrey) who also just a couple of miles apart.
Yes boundaries have to be drawn somewhere and it creates a bit of absurdity on the lines where regions are divided from one another. But it creates 30 times as much absurdity to then divide up a region into 30 little boroughs each with additional boundaries. Anyway let's see - if it's a good idea, I'm sure that's what they'll do. Perhapd they'll take it a step further and do it on a street by street basis.
Would pay a premium to see us live. Hopefully can get a hospitality package fingers crossed.
Quote from: fcfulham55 on November 23, 2020, 08:00:15 PM
Would pay a premium to see us live. Hopefully can get a hospitality package fingers crossed.
Would pay a premium to see us get another point, couldn´t afford the price of seeing another win!
I'm not interested until VAR is gone so won't go to the cottage until we are relegated to Championship in a few months time
Quote from: Statto on November 23, 2020, 07:29:46 PM
Yes boundaries have to be drawn somewhere and it creates a bit of absurdity on the lines where regions are divided from one another. But it creates 30 times as much absurdity to then divide up a region into 30 little boroughs each with additional boundaries. Anyway let's see - if it's a good idea, I'm sure that's what they'll do. Perhapd they'll take it a step further and do it on a street by street basis.
Will be interesting to see if they base it on postcodes - even if the ground is in tier 1 allowing 4000 in surely they won't sell tickets to someone in a tier 3 post code as would they still be in a lockdown and could be even viewed as inviting a higher infection into an area....
Can't see how this can work until they start vaccinations and have something equivalent of vaccination passport.
A boundary is an invisible line unless one anticipates border guards at checkpoints at every possible access point. And what about spectators crossing more than one boundary in order to go to a game having obtained a seat? Rate of infection which is determining policy is not an accurate measure unless the tests conducted are very, very, very close to 100% accuracy. No such test currently exists with the variation still somewhere between 0.8 and 8.0 specificity if the test is properly conducted (which many are not being) meaning large numbers of false results.
We just keep lurching into changes that do not fit any kind of sensible thinking and unfortunately I cannot see any political figure anywhere near Westminster who might change this and get some objectivity into decision making.
Quote from: Montague on November 24, 2020, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: Statto on November 23, 2020, 07:29:46 PM
Yes boundaries have to be drawn somewhere and it creates a bit of absurdity on the lines where regions are divided from one another. But it creates 30 times as much absurdity to then divide up a region into 30 little boroughs each with additional boundaries. Anyway let's see - if it's a good idea, I'm sure that's what they'll do. Perhapd they'll take it a step further and do it on a street by street basis.
Will be interesting to see if they base it on postcodes - even if the ground is in tier 1 allowing 4000 in surely they won't sell tickets to someone in a tier 3 post code as would they still be in a lockdown and could be even viewed as inviting a higher infection into an area....
Can't see how this can work until they start vaccinations and have something equivalent of vaccination passport.
Very good point Montague. And what's to stop a tier 3 resident from using a ticket acquired by a tier 1 or 2 resident? But will there be enforcement as well? Probably not a real problem, and transmission outside will be negligible in any case, so I very much doubt any enforcement; they will just hope that individuals will be sensible and follow the rules.
I really can't understand why they've announced this at the same time as stating that the tiers need firming up once the current restriction comes to an end. There are just so many loopholes as mentioned above. In trying to appease some of the public the message just isn't consistent.
As a clinically at risk person I will not be going to the Cottage until I have been vaccinated or until virus levels are extremely low.
Interesting though how the 4,000 spectators will be selected:-
First come first served.
Season ticket holders
Under 30 year olds only
Living within 5 miles of the Cottage.
From Teir 1 areas only (Norfolk/Cornwall/ Hebrides)
Manning the Turnstiles seems a risky job as you will be within a metre of some 400 people in a confined space.
Has all of this really been thought trough.
As with everything this government tries to do it is a mess
I'm sure this has been discussed with the club's who will do the organisation.I think it's great getting punters back as they could easily have delayed it.Credit to them.
Quote from: Andy S on November 24, 2020, 08:27:26 PM
As with everything this government tries to do it is a mess
When are running for government so you can sort it all out 🙄
Why not continue with present TV arrangements until the end of the season and start to allow only vaccinated or tested spectators back in 2021. That way we would have a degree of safety and idea of where we stand.
Quote from: mrmicawbers on November 24, 2020, 09:20:24 PM
I'm sure this has been discussed with the club's who will do the organisation.I think it's great getting punters back as they could easily have delayed it.Credit to them.
This virus has probably been discussed to greater lengths than any illness humankind has ever enountered before and what we see is the problem of not having a plan from day one. It has globally caught everyone on the back foot from the WHO all the way down to the youngest able thinkers in our society because there was no cohesive plan. Is the lack of a plan down to lack of leadership, lack of wisdom or something else? Without a plan that has an exit strategy based on what is real and tangible we are not going to move forwards with meaning any time soon. IMO two possibilities exist herd immunity and an efficient vaccine. The first was ever present; the second will hopefully arrive in the near future. What we need is an exit strategy and perhaps there are those who are going to act as pioneers come what may.
I read that Fulham, though eligible to have crowds back, being in a Level 2, probably, area, ie London, have problems , at least in getting the full numbers allowed, 5,000?, in, or even any crowd, because of ground access, and also having the Riverside stand out of use.
Already mentioned here, i know.
I have been sitting on a group with the council on this issue and we are going to be very limited unless the guidelines on distances changes.
You are looking currently only fans in the Hammersmith and Putney end and would be lucky to be allowed 1K or maybe as low as 750 in each end. The whole issue is movemnt and space which we lack.
Interesting
Realistically, it's not the end of the world anyway IMO. We have one of the worst atmospheres even on a good day, so with one stand missing and 4 out of every 5 seats empty, I can't imagine it will be enthralling stuff. Couple that with the fact the weather is miserable and we lose every week. Oh and no pub either. I'm hardly champing at the bit to get back, personally. Happy just to wait until March when Covid will be over. Just in time to see us mathematically relegated I expect, but oh well.
