after 17 games in 2018, the last time we got relegated.
But Parker's doing a great job isn't he?
Couldn't believe that Parker love in post the other day - need to face reality. He's made us hard to beat but equally made us hard to win.
Quote from: PaulJ123 on January 16, 2021, 07:29:29 PM
But Parker's doing a great job isn't he?
Couldn't believe that Parker love in post the other day - need to face reality. He's made us hard to beat but equally made us hard to win.
no, no he isnt doing a good job
Quote from: PaulJ123 on January 16, 2021, 07:29:29 PM
But Parker's doing a great job isn't he?
Couldn't believe that Parker love in post the other day - need to face reality. He's made us hard to beat but equally made us hard to win.
Once he got the players in there's no doubt we've improved. Tony needs to pull his finger out
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Give it a bloody rest. 5 minutes after the game has finished you start the same old record.
But we look infinitely better than we did at this time two years ago. Back then we looked like relegation fodder, and a laughing stock. Now we don't. I cannot understand how it is possible for anyone that watched us back then and watch us now to conclude that we are worse this season. That is absolutely beyond belief for me.
Quote from: SG on January 16, 2021, 07:33:03 PM
Give it a bloody rest. 5 minutes after the game has finished you start the same old record.
its the same old record because its the same old result. the big difference now is we are no longer in touching distance of 17th. we are cut adrift.
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 16, 2021, 07:33:29 PM
But we look infinitely better than we did at this time two years ago. Back then we looked like relegation fodder, and a laughing stock. Now we don't. I cannot understand how it is possible for anyone that watched us back then and watch us now to conclude that we are worse this season. That is absolutely beyond belief for me.
we couldnt defend last time but we did have goals in us. weve gone full circle and dont either bother starting games with a striker anymore. and we might be better this season, but so are the other teams, hence we have now been cut adrift
Nonsense we're not cut adrift. Let's see where we are after 38 games. That's all the matters.
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
2 games in hand on Brighton still and 5 points off them. If we beat them and then WBA well likely be above them. Their next 3 games are us then Tottenham and Liverpool. By that point it will be the end if the window and we hopefully will have a striking option on board...from there we just have to do better than them for the rest of the season. Very plausible that we should do so
Quote from: SG on January 16, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
Nonsense we're not cut adrift. Let's see where we are after 38 games. That's all the matters.
erm yes we are, look at the table
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Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
We've played two fewer games than Brighton, do try to keep up
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Quote from: Sting of the North on January 16, 2021, 07:33:29 PM
But we look infinitely better than we did at this time two years ago. Back then we looked like relegation fodder, and a laughing stock. Now we don't. I cannot understand how it is possible for anyone that watched us back then and watch us now to conclude that we are worse this season. That is absolutely beyond belief for me.
we couldnt defend last time but we did have goals in us. weve gone full circle and dont either bother starting games with a striker anymore. and we might be better this season, but so are the other teams, hence we have now been cut adrift
On all fairness that's down to TK not buying another proper goalscorer.
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Quote from: Sting of the North on January 16, 2021, 07:33:29 PM
But we look infinitely better than we did at this time two years ago. Back then we looked like relegation fodder, and a laughing stock. Now we don't. I cannot understand how it is possible for anyone that watched us back then and watch us now to conclude that we are worse this season. That is absolutely beyond belief for me.
We look hard to beat but when I re-watch previous games, I just don't ever see us do enough to win games. Do you? Fair enough if you do, but relying on Cav, Kamara, Mitro and the like to score from one, at a push, two chances a game is a tall order. It pains me to watch this side be so close to being so good. But we just don't get those margins in our favour. Whether its a daft handball, a contentious offside, or swindling chances like penalties, it feels like the only consistent thing we do is miss the opportunities we do get to close out games. After watching WestBrom, Brighton, then us, all go the way we hoped it didn't today, I'm super deflated and if im honest, resigned to relegation, albeit, still pro Parker, and still immensely proud of this team but I just can't see us winnign enough games and other teams dropping that many points we need them to.
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We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
yep, thats what cut adrift means in football. need more than one result to go above the team just above you in the league
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Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
21 games to play and we need to get 4 points more than Burnley and we've also got two games in hand over Brighton, but yeah by Bens logic we might as well forfeit now
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Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
Having won 2 from 17. Its becoming quite a tall ask, don't you think?
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Quote from: SG on January 16, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
Nonsense we're not cut adrift. Let's see where we are after 38 games. That's all the matters.
erm yes we are, look at the table
Nonsense that's not cut off and adrift. We have games in hand and some key games coming up. Win those
and the picture changes completely.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
21 games to play and we need to get 4 points more than Burnley and we've also got two games in hand over Brighton, but yeah by Bens logic we might as well forfeit now
oh im not forfeiting just yet. im hoping for a decent manager to come in and change our fortunes.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
This ....there is literally 21 games left for us to play (19 for brighton) 5 points is no where near cut adrift in that time.
If we add a competent striker to the mix I'm still very much confident we can do the business...if we lose to Utd next week were still the same amount if points behind Brighton as they wont have played before we play them
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Quote from: fulhamben on January 16, 2021, 07:37:55 PM
Quote from: SG on January 16, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
Nonsense we're not cut adrift. Let's see where we are after 38 games. That's all the matters.
erm yes we are, look at the table
Nonsense that's not cut off and adrift. We have games in hand and some key games coming up. Win those
and the picture changes completely.
Just win games. We've managed 2/17. It's not all over, but we really are well up against it. We'd need form of a top 10 side.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
Having won 2 from 17. Its becoming quite a tall ask, don't you think?
Trotting out that stat in isolation is misleading though. Through no fault of our own, VAR conspired to deny us wins that we should've got; Liverpool, Newcastle and Sheff Utd were 6 dropped points that were purely down to shite refereeing, and I know it's done and these things can't be changed, but it points to us being better than 2 wins in 17 suggests
Who cares ? we have a team ,we are going to turn this around and Parker is doing a great job ,with players that are 100 per cent on board. We are going to stay up. Last year the same people constantly saying we had no chance of going up are now negative at every chance and keep moaning about the HCand how we are going to be relegated. Its a long time since we ave had ateam with this much fight . Shame on you after that fighting performance!
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Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
Having won 2 from 17. Its becoming quite a tall ask, don't you think?
Trotting out that stat in isolation is misleading though. Through no fault of our own, VAR conspired to deny us wins that we should've got; Liverpool, Newcastle and Sheff Utd were 6 dropped points that were purely down to shite refereeing, and I know it's done and these things can't be changed, but it points to us being better than 2 wins in 17 suggests
We've probably been playing our best football in a long time and we still only managed draws and a loss to a depleted out of form Chelsea side. If I take away what, the first 4 games where we didn';t really have a squad ready, thats still 2/13. Unless you believe in the Karma of VAR coming good and decisions going our way, i've no idea why people think this rather corrupt system will change in our favour.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
Having won 2 from 17. Its becoming quite a tall ask, don't you think?
Not at all. In many games we have created plenty of chances. We will come good soon. We are way better than Sheffield United, WBA, Burnley, Newcastle, Leeds, Palace and Brighton and come end of the season 3 of those will be below us. I am not overly worried at all.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
yep, thats what cut adrift means in football. need more than one result to go above the team just above you in the league
I think cut adrift applies when you can't catch up with those above and are basically doomed. Yes we are more that one win away from 17th but cut adrift is a little dramatic as we are not quite half way through the season.
Well said Colin. I think we can stay up and I'm normally very pessimistic about our chances
Some of the responses on here are ridiculous. Parker is doing a good job. It's not his fault we don't have a recognised striker (Mitrovic seems to be half fit and rarely available). I mean Cav was average last year in the championship and now he's playing in the PL every week and out of his natural position. If we had a decent striker and this team at the start of the season we'd have above 20 points right now no doubt.
Parker is doing fine, the club need to go out and invest in a striker and another wide forward, if we don't do that then it's the boards fault if we go down not the managers.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
Having won 2 from 17. Its becoming quite a tall ask, don't you think?
Not at all. In many games we have created plenty of chances. We will come good soon. We are way better than Sheffield United, WBA, Burnley, Newcastle, Leeds, Palace and Brighton and come end of the season 3 of those will be below us. I am not overly worried at all.
Agree. There will be others in the mix by the end of the season. I really do think Leeds will fall apart again.
Quote from: colinwhite on January 16, 2021, 07:44:19 PM
Who cares ? we have a team ,we are going to turn this around and Parker is doing a great job ,with players that are 100 per cent on board. We are going to stay up. Last year the same people constantly saying we had no chance of going up are now negative at every chance and keep moaning about the HCand how we are going to be relegated. Its a long time since we ave had ateam with this much fight . Shame on you after that fighting performance!
when are they going to turn it around colin, as like i said, we are slipping further away from our relegation rivals. plus theres a good possibility that we could slip down to 19th before we even face the league leaders on wednesday. so when are we actually going to turn this around?
Quote from: fulhamben on January 16, 2021, 07:40:56 PM
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Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
yep, thats what cut adrift means in football. need more than one result to go above the team just above you in the league
No, that's just your own subjective definition that you somehow try to pretend that it is a commonly accepted definition.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
yep, thats what cut adrift means in football. need more than one result to go above the team just above you in the league
I think cut adrift applies when you can't catch up with those above and are basically doomed. Yes we are more that one win away from 17th but cut adrift is a little dramatic as we are not quite half way through the season.
no that would literally be classed as relegated
We are further from safety but we will survive. Not even halfway through the season.
Good lord the grammar in the thread header is appalling. The comments about blaming Parker and all the other nonsense is the usual twaddle that sadly FOF has come to be known for. But it is safe to say that we are looking a decent side in need of a forward and that the officials are frankly biased towards the top sides. Too many want to be in the headlines.
Sad to say it but this isn't the game I used to love to watch,
Quote from: LC on January 16, 2021, 07:48:38 PM
Some of the responses on here are ridiculous. Parker is doing a good job. It's not his fault we don't have a recognised striker (Mitrovic seems to be half fit and rarely available). I mean Cav was average last year in the championship and now he's playing in the PL every week and out of his natural position. If we had a decent striker and this team at the start of the season we'd have above 20 points right now no doubt.
Parker is doing fine, the club need to go out and invest in a striker and another wide forward, if we don't do that then it's the boards fault if we go down not the managers.
Well said. We have a young team that will get better. But we really DO need one or two strong finishers.
Still think if we can get to halfway with 15 points we have a good chance of fighting relegation. We will need to beat Burnley, probably twice, beat Sheff Utd, beat WBA and pick up four wins somewhere else ( Newcastle, Palace, Leeds, Wolves) . Three draws in the other matches and we will be safe, just.
It's a big ask, but this team can do it, they are good enough.
The question is, could another manager be doing better than Scott Parker currently is with the players available. I don't know the answer, but I know it isn't a resounding YES. Some managers may do slightly better, but I doubt significantly so. Our main issues are in attack, whereas at the start of the season it was our defence. Scott has sorted that out, but it's not really his fault that we don't have a striker capable of converting chances. I think you need to temper your expectations a little. We were promoted through the playoffs during a summer wrecked by Covid. In that way we have had it the toughest of any team ever promoted. Our recruitments came in late which completely screwed our start. Had we started with the team we have today we would be doing fine. To me that suggests that Parker is doing a good job. There are always improvements to be made, but they are not solely on Parker's shoulders.
If we get relegated, and there is a good chance we may, then we can consider ourselves rather unlucky. It will be a massive shame but we will go down fighting, as one of the best teams to ever be relegated. I see everything Parker preaches on that pitch. Spirit, fight, determination, desire, and in Parker's words "most of all quality". There have been worse times to be a Fulham fan.
Cannot disagree little Ern but Ben you are just a wind-up merchant
Quote from: Andy S on January 16, 2021, 08:01:40 PM
Cannot disagree little Ern but Ben you are just a wind-up merchant
a wind up merchant for pointing out the facts?
All these negative comments every week fulhamben is making you sound more like the grim reaper than the grim reaper.
Nobody said this season would be easy, nobody said this game today with 11 would be easy, let alone playing over half the match with one player shy. We started our season with a handicap after losing our opening games, and every fickle man and their dog including you said we are doomed and Scott has to go.
Now look at us as I speak. We won more friends than enemies today, and the difference this season as opposed to that two years ago because unlike two years ago the team is packed with leaders and characters and winners and fighters and warriors with a proper Captain. There are no passengers and the quality is as good as I have seen from a Fulham team for years. The players are clearly playing for Scott Parker, and I always measure a man how he gets up off the floor not how he goes down.
Unlike two years ago the manager is not sticking pins in players names and selecting the first 11 that come up.
Of course we are not the finished article, we need a striker and a winger to complete the jigsaw.
Slagging people off when we lose is for losers.
As for me as I stand here now reflecting on tonight's match, I am very proud of them and proud to be a Fulham supporter, so please try and put a sock in it, take a deep breath and count to 1,000 before you comment.
Or better still wait 24 hours and you will see the error of your ways.
It's not a secret that Ben doesn't like Parker, but it feels to me that we can't say anything against Parker any more as everyone seems to believe he's the greatest manager ever! Last year, a lot of people were saying that he is still learning and needs time - this year it looks like he has learnt everything and we have a fantastic team playing great football and if it was not for the board/referees/VAR etc we would be challenging for a Champions League place.
To clarify, I don't want Parker gone even if we go down. I like him more than I liked him last year, but he still makes mistakes (who doesn't, right?) and we can still argue about that rather than think that everything is perfect and we are only a couple of players from winning the league.
Nothing wrong with being optimistic, but we are in deep trouble and we need to start picking wins soon and points even from games that "we didn't expect anything". It's easy to say we wouldn't expect any games against Chelsea or Manchester United, but that would mean we should expect more than 2 points against Brighton and Southampton at home. So, however fun was our "5-games-undefeated" run, we should look at the mirror and realise that the "7-games-without-a-win" run doesn't look that good regardless of how improved the team is.
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Quote from: colinwhite on January 16, 2021, 07:44:19 PM
Who cares ? we have a team ,we are going to turn this around and Parker is doing a great job ,with players that are 100 per cent on board. We are going to stay up. Last year the same people constantly saying we had no chance of going up are now negative at every chance and keep moaning about the HCand how we are going to be relegated. Its a long time since we ave had ateam with this much fight . Shame on you after that fighting performance!
when are they going to turn it around colin, as like i said, we are slipping further away from our relegation rivals. plus theres a good possibility that we could slip down to 19th before we even face the league leaders on wednesday. so when are we actually going to turn this around?
We now have a side capable of going on a run and winning 3 on the bounce. It will come . There were tired legs out there today but that was some performance right up until the end . We will come good .stop looking at the league table and start looking at how we are playing.
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Quote from: colinwhite on January 16, 2021, 07:44:19 PM
Who cares ? we have a team ,we are going to turn this around and Parker is doing a great job ,with players that are 100 per cent on board. We are going to stay up. Last year the same people constantly saying we had no chance of going up are now negative at every chance and keep moaning about the HCand how we are going to be relegated. Its a long time since we ave had ateam with this much fight . Shame on you after that fighting performance!
when are they going to turn it around colin, as like i said, we are slipping further away from our relegation rivals. plus theres a good possibility that we could slip down to 19th before we even face the league leaders on wednesday. so when are we actually going to turn this around?
We now have a side capable of going on a run and winning 3 on the bounce. It will come . There were tired legs out there today but that was some performance right up until the end . We will come good .stop looking at the league table ansd start looking at how e are playing.
what are you basing that on though colin. we certainly have a defence capable of making us very hard to defeat. but we just dont look like winning at the moment. we barely look like scoring and pretty much never do.
Is this secretly a Scott Parker out topic?
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 16, 2021, 08:20:33 PM
Is this secretly a Scott Parker out topic?
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no, everyone knows that i believe we need a new manager to have a chance of staying up. this thread is just to merely point out that even though we are tough to break down, we are actually further away from safety than we were at this point in 2018.
Never Trevor in relation to the post! We are showing fight something we have not showed for a long time, we should all be behind the team after tonight because they gave everything.
I was more critical of SP in the Championship than I am now. This team will stay up I believe for many of the reasons Woolly Mamouth out lined above. SP is showing he could be the next big thing as he is clearly learning and has got team mentality right and the tactics have been sport on. Anyone can criticise SP or they like on here but my humble opinion is keep him on even if we did get relegated. My two pennies anyway.
Ben, Always waiting to pounce on a defeat With Parker in charge. There is not a manager around that cannot do better than Parker at the moment, name one, he's got the team we have, playing to the maximum, giving their all so don't change it.
Sorry but your topic title should read "We are now further away than we WERE" Correct English!!
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on January 16, 2021, 08:25:51 PM
Ben, Always waiting to pounce on a defeat With Parker in charge. There is not a manager around that cannot do better than Parker at the moment, name one, he's got the team we have, playing to the maximum, giving their all so don't change it.
Sorry but your topic title should read "We are now further away than we WERE" Correct English!!
not just defeats, draws are no good to us either. we need wins, and dont look like getting them.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 16, 2021, 08:06:17 PM
All these negative comments every week fulhamben is making you sound more like the grim reaper than the grim reaper.
Nobody said this season would be easy, nobody said this game today with 11 would be easy, let alone playing over half the match with one player shy. We started our season with a handicap after losing our opening games, and every fickle man and their dog including you said we are doomed and Scott has to go.
Now look at us as I speak. We won more friends than enemies today, and the difference this season as opposed to that two years ago because unlike two years ago the team is packed with leaders and characters and winners and fighters and warriors with a proper Captain. There are no passengers and the quality is as good as I have seen from a Fulham team for years. The players are clearly playing for Scott Parker, and I always measure a man how he gets up off the floor not how he goes down.
Unlike two years ago the manager is not sticking pins in players names and selecting the first 11 that come up.
Of course we are not the finished article, we need a striker and a winger to complete the jigsaw.
Slagging people off when we lose is for losers.
As for me as I stand here now reflecting on tonight's match, I am very proud of them and proud to be a Fulham supporter, so please try and put a sock in it, take a deep breath and count to 1,000 before you comment.
Or better still wait 24 hours and you will see the error of your ways.
You saved me all that writing Wooly. Thanks. +1 lol
And another thing guys, the correct grammar is should have, not should of. Could've not could of. You can interchange should and could of course.
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 16, 2021, 08:20:33 PM
Is this secretly a Scott Parker out topic?
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no, everyone knows that i believe we need a new manager to have a chance of staying up. this thread is just to merely point out that even though we are tough to break down, we are actually further away from safety than we were at this point in 2018.
Which means you think another manager would have us higher in the table with out current squad...with a better style of play?
I mean, we're 18th and haven't had an easy run of fixtures. Who would you want? Big Sam (who only won today due to two penalties)?
We started the season playing our championship side because a lot of fans thought the Sheffield United way of handling promotion last season was the right way to go, not bring in 11 new faces. That resulted in us conceding 10 goals in our first 3 games.
To his credit...Scott Parker adapted...and fixed us defensively.
Yes...we are fairly toothless up top.
Do you feel the light at the end of the tunnel was brighter 2 seasons ago, at this time, than it is now?
Quote from: fulhamben on January 16, 2021, 08:30:08 PM
we need wins, and dont look like getting them.
We need 9 more POINTS between now and the end of the season than Newcastle, Burnley, Sheffield United, West Brom and Brighton. That's more 3 wins...OR....2 more wins and 3 more draws...OR....1 more win and 6 more draws than those five teams.
In 21 games.
We may only have been 3 points from safety this time in 2018/19 but we were bottom, we'd conceded 42 goals and didn't have games in hand on the teams around us. Most of our points had come in the first six games of the season and we were on a downward trajectory. Anyone saying we're worse off now is either a numpty or a WUM.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 16, 2021, 08:06:17 PM
All these negative comments every week fulhamben is making you sound more like the grim reaper than the grim reaper.
Nobody said this season would be easy, nobody said this game today with 11 would be easy, let alone playing over half the match with one player shy. We started our season with a handicap after losing our opening games, and every fickle man and their dog including you said we are doomed and Scott has to go.
Now look at us as I speak. We won more friends than enemies today, and the difference this season as opposed to that two years ago because unlike two years ago the team is packed with leaders and characters and winners and fighters and warriors with a proper Captain. There are no passengers and the quality is as good as I have seen from a Fulham team for years. The players are clearly playing for Scott Parker, and I always measure a man how he gets up off the floor not how he goes down.
Unlike two years ago the manager is not sticking pins in players names and selecting the first 11 that come up.
Of course we are not the finished article, we need a striker and a winger to complete the jigsaw.
Slagging people off when we lose is for losers.
As for me as I stand here now reflecting on tonight's match, I am very proud of them and proud to be a Fulham supporter, so please try and put a sock in it, take a deep breath and count to 1,000 before you comment.
Or better still wait 24 hours and you will see the error of your ways.
id avoid Wednesday night if thats how you feel wolly, as id bet my house on it being 2 wins in 18 at that point
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Quote from: fulhamben on January 16, 2021, 08:23:32 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on January 16, 2021, 08:20:33 PM
Is this secretly a Scott Parker out topic?
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no, everyone knows that i believe we need a new manager to have a chance of staying up. this thread is just to merely point out that even though we are tough to break down, we are actually further away from safety than we were at this point in 2018.
Which means you think another manager would have us higher in the table with out current squad...with a better style of play?
I mean, we're 18th and haven't had an easy run of fixtures. Who would you want? Big Sam (who only won today due to two penalties)?
We started the season playing our championship side because a lot of fans thought the Sheffield United way of handling promotion last season was the right way to go, not bring in 11 new faces. That resulted in us conceding 10 goals in our first 3 games.
To his credit...Scott Parker adapted...and fixed us defensively.
Yes...we are fairly toothless up top.
Do you feel the light at the end of the tunnel was brighter 2 seasons ago, at this time, than it is now?
maybe not a better style of play, but possibly a more effective one. ive already covered about why i think its wrong for parker to play the same defensive type football against the weaker teams, so i wont go over that again. but i do believe we have a fairly decent squad, and one that shouldnt be cut adrift at this point. and as to easy run of fixtures, everyone has pretty much played everyone now so we are all in the same boat. we are where we are because we cant score goals or win games.
Quote from: fulhamben on January 16, 2021, 08:43:58 PM
we are where we are because we cant score goals or win games.
we are where we are because we started the season without a decent centre back
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Quote from: fulhamben on January 16, 2021, 08:43:58 PM
we are where we are because we cant score goals or win games.
we are where we are because we started the season without a decent centre back
well thats not true is it, because it wasnt that long ago that we were above burnley and brighton. they have kicked on where as we havent.
Quote from: fulhamben on January 16, 2021, 08:47:28 PM
Quote from: Statto on January 16, 2021, 08:45:37 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 16, 2021, 08:43:58 PM
we are where we are because we cant score goals or win games.
we are where we are because we started the season without a decent centre back
well thats not true is it, because it wasnt that long ago that we were above burnley and brighton. they have kicked on where as we havent.
When were we ever above Brighton?
And when were we above Burnley without them having a game in hand?
We were 17 mins away from a glorious draw. If only Cav had finished off that wonderful counter attack of one touch passing movements, and Scott Parker had no idea that Robinson was going to put himself in a position whereupon he would get himself sent off with over half a game to go.
Yes of course a lot of it goes down to game management, however after the dismissal of Robinson Scott knew that it was paramount we kept our shape and balance which we did most of the time to avoid being over run especially in the first 15 minutes, and then play the system in ten minute spells and it nearly paid off.
So no complaints from me, the quality is there, we just need the goals to join the quality.
Quote from: Statto on January 16, 2021, 08:52:22 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 16, 2021, 08:47:28 PM
Quote from: Statto on January 16, 2021, 08:45:37 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 16, 2021, 08:43:58 PM
we are where we are because we cant score goals or win games.
we are where we are because we started the season without a decent centre back
well thats not true is it, because it wasnt that long ago that we were above burnley and brighton. they have kicked on where as we havent.
When were we ever above Brighton?
And when were we above Burnley without them having a game in hand?
yes fair point, i made a mistake there. we havent been above brighton but they have opened up a gap. granted we have two games in hand, but our form doesnt suggest we will be making much of a dent into it. and yes we were only 2 points in front of burnley and they had one game in hand, and they have now stretched it to four.
The current team reminds me of 2007, when Roy took over. Initially, the performances were better than the results. Fulham is unrecognizable from the squad that started the year. Parker deserves the credit. The results will come.
I don't understand how people say "Oh we have 2 games in hand on Brighton, win those and we'll be sweet"
We've won 2 games all season, where are we magically going to find this formula to start winning games?
A new striker and winger would help. But without a recognised goalscorer and a recognised set piece taker, where are the goals coming from? I'll give you a clue, there won't be anywhere near enough
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Quote from: Deeping_white on January 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
We've also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I'm so you'll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
Having won 2 from 17. Its becoming quite a tall ask, don't you think?
No I think weve been improving alot of late and in my opinion are very likely to perform better in the 2nd part of the season than the first by some margin. Add a good striker and winger to the mix and will feel much more confident though and I'd suspect from the noises being made that well do some business there at the latest with 18 left to play
Our predictement to get out of is a tall ask most definently hence the Brighton, West brom games could define the remainder of this season.
Quote from: hovewhite on January 17, 2021, 09:27:51 AM
Our predictement to get out of is a tall ask most definently hence the Brighton, West brom games could define the remainder of this season.
I'm inclined to agree. If we aren't winning these games, we don't deserve to be in the league. It's one thing to be hard to ebat, its another to win games against bottom 10 clubs. Something we've got a poor record for already.
if we had this team for day1 i doubt we would be in the bottom 3 .
as regards to the comparison to last time , we never came close to matching the top sides and were roundly thumped on a number of occasions .
after 17 games last season , southampton were third bottom on 15pts . after 38 games they were 11th on 52 .
long way to go
Quote from: hovewhite on January 17, 2021, 09:27:51 AM
Our predictement to get out of is a tall ask most definently hence the Brighton, West brom games could define the remainder of this season.
Could...but its not a foregone conclusion by a long stretch.
0 points from the next 3 could get very sketchy yes...but even then wed still have a game in hand on Brighton.
Say the very unlikely happens, and Brighton for the first time this season win their next 2 making it 3 back to back wins (against us and Tottenham) and we lose our next 3 (man utd brighton wba) wed be 11 points off them with a game in hand, though by that point the likelihood is wed be closer than that to another struggling team - Burnley or another.
In that highly unlikely scenario, its a tough ask...not insurmountable in half a season with better forward options , tough but not impossible to stay up as wed more likely be chasing someone around 5-7 points above us.
Now if something more likely happens, like we get 3 points for the next 3 games...and Brighton get 1 before the end of the window.... all of a sudden they're only 3 points ahead of us with 18 games to go
Quote from: bahay18 on January 17, 2021, 09:38:22 AM
if we had this team for day1 i doubt we would be in the bottom 3 .
as regards to the comparison to last time , we never came close to matching the top sides and were roundly thumped on a number of occasions .
after 17 games last season , southampton were third bottom on 15pts . after 38 games they were 11th on 52 .
long way to go
This....its not at all impossible with the right acquisitions in Jan
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 17, 2021, 09:30:27 AM
Quote from: hovewhite on January 17, 2021, 09:27:51 AM
Our predictement to get out of is a tall ask most definently hence the Brighton, West brom games could define the remainder of this season.
I'm inclined to agree. If we aren't winning these games, we don't deserve to be in the league. It's one thing to be hard to ebat, its another to win games against bottom 10 clubs. Something we've got a poor record for already.
The Brighton and West Brom games are crucial but be no means are they season defining. There will still be 18 games to play after those matches. Of course it will significantly help our cause if we secured all six points. If I remember correctly in the great escape year we won 4 of the first 33 games and 4 of the last 5 games. Keep the faith, it'll be a bumpy ride. I'm convinced we can take it to the wire. Of course it would help if we could bring in two front players asap.
I think we xcan all see we are playing pretty well now and are well organised.
We clearly have a top class defence and well motivated and talented midfield but the squad is thin on the ground and unbalanced as usual.
In particular we have no forward line.
If that is rectified I think we have a good chance to climb the table.
If nobody is brought in I think we will go down because we are unable to score enough goals.
our problem this time is essentially lodged in the same office as last times. i think parker is fdoing as well as he can with the squad we have.
Quote from: ALG01 on January 17, 2021, 10:00:03 AM
I think we xcan all see we are playing pretty well now and are well organised.
We clearly have a top class defence and well motivated and talented midfield but the squad is thin on the ground and unbalanced as usual.
In particular we have no forward line.
If that is rectified I think we have a good chance to climb the table.
If nobody is brought in I think we will go down because we are unable to score enough goals.
our problem this time is essentially lodged in the same office as last times. i think parker is fdoing as well as he can with the squad we have.
Except last time the general consensus was that Parker was actually underperforming with a squad that on paper had all the proven quality to gain automatic promotion. When the window closed on last years summer window...the vast majority of the this board were saying fair play to transfer team, we looked very strong on paper, and agreed largely that Parker had the tools needed to do very well in the championship, over to him...that's why he caught so much flack when we weren't pushing into the top 2.
Fortunately we saved our best performance for the playoff final and deservedly won that game and here we are. Now again we have been given a good enough squad to compete well, and just need to fit the last pieces.
Everyone almost unanimously in agreement that what we need is a finisher and if possible another wing option. So I look forward to seeing what gets done by the club. If they're anything like the level of our summer signings which is a big ask,well be looking in very good shape.
Heres hoping
Let us make no mistake we are now in with a chance in every game and Parker has the team performing so much better than it was early in the season. In the main give credit to Parker for changing his system and also to TK for bringing in good defenders.
The major problem we now have is a goal drought and make no mistake that is going to be more difficult to solve than leaking goals was. One bargain basement buy on window deadline day is unlikely to do the trick, although it may help.
The big mystery is the complete failure of Mitro and Cairney who have been at the root of our attacking success in our Championship promotions. What on earth has gone wrong, if it is just injuries this will come good soon but the suspicion is there is more to it. Parker has to sort this matter as a priority, it is as important as the signing of that new striker.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 16, 2021, 08:06:17 PM
All these negative comments every week fulhamben is making you sound more like the grim reaper than the grim reaper.
Nobody said this season would be easy, nobody said this game today with 11 would be easy, let alone playing over half the match with one player shy. We started our season with a handicap after losing our opening games, and every fickle man and their dog including you said we are doomed and Scott has to go.
Now look at us as I speak. We won more friends than enemies today, and the difference this season as opposed to that two years ago because unlike two years ago the team is packed with leaders and characters and winners and fighters and warriors with a proper Captain. There are no passengers and the quality is as good as I have seen from a Fulham team for years. The players are clearly playing for Scott Parker, and I always measure a man how he gets up off the floor not how he goes down.
Unlike two years ago the manager is not sticking pins in players names and selecting the first 11 that come up.
Of course we are not the finished article, we need a striker and a winger to complete the jigsaw.
Slagging people off when we lose is for losers.
As for me as I stand here now reflecting on tonight's match, I am very proud of them and proud to be a Fulham supporter, so please try and put a sock in it, take a deep breath and count to 1,000 before you comment.
Or better still wait 24 hours and you will see the error of your ways.
:plus one: well put.
Quote from: jayffc on January 17, 2021, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on January 17, 2021, 10:00:03 AM
I think we xcan all see we are playing pretty well now and are well organised.
We clearly have a top class defence and well motivated and talented midfield but the squad is thin on the ground and unbalanced as usual.
In particular we have no forward line.
If that is rectified I think we have a good chance to climb the table.
If nobody is brought in I think we will go down because we are unable to score enough goals.
our problem this time is essentially lodged in the same office as last times. i think parker is fdoing as well as he can with the squad we have.
Except last time the general consensus was that Parker was actually underperforming with a squad that on paper had all the proven quality to gain automatic promotion. When the window closed on last years summer window...the vast majority of the this board were saying fair play to transfer team, we looked very strong on paper, and agreed largely that Parker had the tools needed to do very well in the championship, over to him...that's why he caught so much flack when we weren't pushing into the top 2.
Fortunately we saved our best performance for the playoff final and deservedly won that game and here we are. Now again we have been given a good enough squad to compete well, and just need to fit the last pieces.
Everyone almost unanimously in agreement that what we need is a finisher and if possible another wing option. So I look forward to seeing what gets done by the club. If they're anything like the level of our summer signings which is a big ask,well be looking in very good shape.
Heres hoping
Might also add that the year before in the prem our business was being heralded as some of the most impressive work in the window (distinctly remember the pundits discussing it on TV) until it all went arse over tit. The likes of Seri, Schurrle, Mawson, Fabri all came in along with others with big reputations expected to help us compete strongly....and it didnt work it out in hindsight , a complete catastrophe in fact, but we were coming off an incredible end to our season with Slav and the media was fawning over the business done ...which created the bigger backlash from rival fans when it all fell apart having spent so big. So don't want to pretend that it was so obvious we were doomed to fail. It's easier to say that after the fact. During that window I voiced I was concerned about our RB position if I recall correctly but otherwise the mood was pretty confident coming into the year off the back of a record breaking run in the championship
Comparing this season to our last prem one is a desperate ploy by a desperate poster (Ben) that wants Parker gone at any cost.
We're competing every game which is different to last time
We're solid at the back which is different to last time
We have managerial stability which is different to last time
The fans in thr majority are now onside again different to last time.
We've improved as a team from day one, anyone saying anything else is incorrect. Chelsea with a bench worth over £300m, probably more, struggled to best a ten man team yesterday.
I still think we'll be safe at the end of the season as we're not even half way through.
Half way through last season Ben was almost guaranteeing us all that we wouldn't go up...
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 17, 2021, 09:30:27 AM
Quote from: hovewhite on January 17, 2021, 09:27:51 AM
Our predictement to get out of is a tall ask most definently hence the Brighton, West brom games could define the remainder of this season.
I'm inclined to agree. If we aren't winning these games, we don't deserve to be in the league.
Agree with this sentence. It's not the maths, they'll still be plenty of points up for grabs, but if we aren't winning these games how can we say we're better than these teams and will outperform them over the remainder of the season? Need 4pts from these games as an absolute minimum.
Quote from: Jim© on January 17, 2021, 10:24:53 AM
Comparing this season to our last prem one is a desperate ploy by a desperate poster (Ben) that wants Parker gone at any cost.
We're competing every game which is different to last time
We're solid at the back which is different to last time
We have managerial stability which is different to last time
The fans in thr majority are now onside again different to last time.
We've improved as a team from day one, anyone saying anything else is incorrect. Chelsea with a bench worth over £300m, probably more, struggled to best a ten man team yesterday.
I still think we'll be safe at the end of the season as we're not even half way through.
Half way through last season Ben was almost guaranteeing us all that we wouldn't go up...
loving the personal insult Jim. Thanks for that. I'm guessing you are a teenager so I won't read too much into it. Chelsea were tenth when we played them yesterday and were in worse form than us believe it or not. So it doesn't matter how much that was sitting on their bench, because they were failing to win games and were there for the taking. They are not a good team so let's not make out we are so such a good team because a mid table side could only narrowly beat us. And how do you gauge how well a team/player/manager is doing if you don't compare them to what's gone on before. For all our so good form the teams above us are pulling away that's just a fact. We struggle to score goals with our new defence orientated system, that's just a fact. We struggle to win games which is also just a fact. has anyone worked out Parker's points per game this season compared to the season we went down. They should be better this season shouldn't they as on we are doing so much better. Well they aren't. This season we are averaging 0.7 points per game. The season we got relegated Parker averaged 0.81 points per game. So yes we do look better now but are less effective.
But it is desperate and because of that, you seem overly blinkered in your view. You know as well as I do, take away the first four games where Parker was left with last year's team (amazingly you'd said last season it was too good for th championship, doesn't look so now) and things would look better. Especially goals against. If you continue to look at the season on a game by game basis (points wise) there'll be good a d bad weeks. As Parker has said that isn't the big picture that he's telling the players to concentrate on, so nor should we.
Tha ks too for thr personal insult re being a teenager, just the 30 odd years past that.
Quote from: Jim© on January 17, 2021, 11:13:00 AM
But it is desperate and because of that, you seem overly blinkered in your view. You know as well as I do, take away the first four games where Parker was left with last year's team (amazingly you'd said last season it was too good for th championship, doesn't look so now) and things would look better. Especially goals against. If you continue to look at the season on a game by game basis (points wise) there'll be good a d bad weeks. As Parker has said that isn't the big picture that he's telling the players to concentrate on, so nor should we.
Tha ks too for thr personal insult re being a teenager, just the 30 odd years past that.
i am desperate for us to stay up Jim, thought that was obvious. Hence why I want a manager who can win games. And plenty of teams have been really good in the championship and flopped hard in the prem, that doesn't make them a bad championship team does it, so not sure on your point there. And no I'm not looking at the season on a game by game points wise. I'm looking at the whole season so far. We are four points from safety averaging 0.7 points per game. That's why I'm worried, not because we lost to chelsea yesterday.
Quote from: fulhamben on January 17, 2021, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: Jim© on January 17, 2021, 10:24:53 AM
Comparing this season to our last prem one is a desperate ploy by a desperate poster (Ben) that wants Parker gone at any cost.
We're competing every game which is different to last time
We're solid at the back which is different to last time
We have managerial stability which is different to last time
The fans in thr majority are now onside again different to last time.
We've improved as a team from day one, anyone saying anything else is incorrect. Chelsea with a bench worth over £300m, probably more, struggled to best a ten man team yesterday.
I still think we'll be safe at the end of the season as we're not even half way through.
Half way through last season Ben was almost guaranteeing us all that we wouldn't go up...
loving the personal insult Jim. Thanks for that. I'm guessing you are a teenager so I won't read too much into it. Chelsea were tenth when we played them yesterday and were in worse form than us believe it or not. So it doesn't matter how much that was sitting on their bench, because they were failing to win games and were there for the taking. They are not a good team so let's not make out we are so such a good team because a mid table side could only narrowly beat us. And how do you gauge how well a team/player/manager is doing if you don't compare them to what's gone on before. For all our so good form the teams above us are pulling away that's just a fact. We struggle to score goals with our new defence orientated system, that's just a fact. We struggle to win games which is also just a fact. has anyone worked out Parker's points per game this season compared to the season we went down. They should be better this season shouldn't they as on we are doing so much better. Well they aren't. This season we are averaging 0.7 points per game. The season we got relegated Parker averaged 0.81 points per game. So yes we do look better now but are less effective.
understand your points, the teams above us are pulling and below us sheff utd & West brom wining so get your point. Also this being a social board of different views your entitled to your view on managers as well as anything else.
Quote from: fulhamben on January 17, 2021, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: Jim© on January 17, 2021, 10:24:53 AM
Comparing this season to our last prem one is a desperate ploy by a desperate poster (Ben) that wants Parker gone at any cost.
We're competing every game which is different to last time
We're solid at the back which is different to last time
We have managerial stability which is different to last time
The fans in thr majority are now onside again different to last time.
We've improved as a team from day one, anyone saying anything else is incorrect. Chelsea with a bench worth over £300m, probably more, struggled to best a ten man team yesterday.
I still think we'll be safe at the end of the season as we're not even half way through.
Half way through last season Ben was almost guaranteeing us all that we wouldn't go up...
loving the personal insult Jim. Thanks for that. I'm guessing you are a teenager so I won't read too much into it. Chelsea were tenth when we played them yesterday and were in worse form than us believe it or not. So it doesn't matter how much that was sitting on their bench, because they were failing to win games and were there for the taking. They are not a good team so let's not make out we are so such a good team because a mid table side could only narrowly beat us. And how do you gauge how well a team/player/manager is doing if you don't compare them to what's gone on before. For all our so good form the teams above us are pulling away that's just a fact. We struggle to score goals with our new defence orientated system, that's just a fact. We struggle to win games which is also just a fact. has anyone worked out Parker's points per game this season compared to the season we went down. They should be better this season shouldn't they as on we are doing so much better. Well they aren't. This season we are averaging 0.7 points per game. The season we got relegated Parker averaged 0.81 points per game. So yes we do look better now but are less effective.
Think it a little disingenuous to use a sample size of 9 games that Parker was in charge of last time out in the prem, having come into the season post both windows... and at a time in which we were already basically relegated and the pressure was pretty much off. If were going to compare the two sides more fairly at least look perhaps at the amount of games under a fully formed squad this season. I may be proven wrong, but I would hazard a guess that the next 9 games following the window , if we bring in some attacking options (like we did with Babel last time) will yield a better result in points per game. I'm certainly willing to give it a try and I was concerned as anyone with Parkers performance last year and early this year
Quote from: jayffc on January 17, 2021, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on January 17, 2021, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: Jim© on January 17, 2021, 10:24:53 AM
Comparing this season to our last prem one is a desperate ploy by a desperate poster (Ben) that wants Parker gone at any cost.
We're competing every game which is different to last time
We're solid at the back which is different to last time
We have managerial stability which is different to last time
The fans in thr majority are now onside again different to last time.
We've improved as a team from day one, anyone saying anything else is incorrect. Chelsea with a bench worth over £300m, probably more, struggled to best a ten man team yesterday.
I still think we'll be safe at the end of the season as we're not even half way through.
Half way through last season Ben was almost guaranteeing us all that we wouldn't go up...
loving the personal insult Jim. Thanks for that. I'm guessing you are a teenager so I won't read too much into it. Chelsea were tenth when we played them yesterday and were in worse form than us believe it or not. So it doesn't matter how much that was sitting on their bench, because they were failing to win games and were there for the taking. They are not a good team so let's not make out we are so such a good team because a mid table side could only narrowly beat us. And how do you gauge how well a team/player/manager is doing if you don't compare them to what's gone on before. For all our so good form the teams above us are pulling away that's just a fact. We struggle to score goals with our new defence orientated system, that's just a fact. We struggle to win games which is also just a fact. has anyone worked out Parker's points per game this season compared to the season we went down. They should be better this season shouldn't they as on we are doing so much better. Well they aren't. This season we are averaging 0.7 points per game. The season we got relegated Parker averaged 0.81 points per game. So yes we do look better now but are less effective.
Think it a little disingenuous to use a sample size of 9 games that Parker was in charge of last time out in the prem, having come into the season post both windows... and at a time in which we were already basically relegated and the pressure was pretty much off. If were going to compare the two sides more fairly at least look perhaps at the amount of games under a fully formed squad this season. I may be proven wrong, but I would hazard a guess that the next 9 games following the window , if we bring in some attacking options (like we did with Babel last time) will yield a better result in points per game. I'm certainly willing to give it a try and I was concerned as anyone with Parkers performance last year and early this year
but that's what I did with the original post. We are further away from safety than we were at this stage in the 2018 season.
Yes...but put simply...we didnt have 2 games in hand on one of those teams above us. If youd compared us after 17 games whilst Brighton had also only played 17, youd find us 2 points off safety given they wouldnt have played their last 2.
Just overall better to look objectively at how were shaping up, and what we look capable of doing now we have a considerably stronger defence and are currently looking to add some more firepower.
As stated ...under Roy Hodgson we were all but relegated with just a few games to play its foolish to get drawn into all this with over half a season to play. Let's just see where we are once the window closes and hope we have some capable reinforcements
Quote from: jayffc on January 17, 2021, 01:48:20 PM
Yes...but put simply...we didnt have 2 games in hand on one of those teams above us. If youd compared us after 17 games whilst Brighton had also only played 17, youd find us 2 points off safety given they wouldnt have played their last 2.
Just overall better to look objectively at how were shaping up, and what we look capable of doing now we have a considerably stronger defence and are currently looking to add some more firepower.
As stated ...under Roy Hodgson we were all but relegated with just a few games to play its foolish to get drawn into all this with over half a season to play. Let's just see where we are once the window closes and hope we have some capable reinforcements
so let me ask you this, do you think we would have stayed up if we never sacked sanchez and didnt appoint hodgson
Hang on.... Are you comparing Parker to Sanchez?!
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on January 17, 2021, 02:08:21 PM
Hang on.... Are you comparing Parker to Sanchez?!
no, Sanchez had 13 points after 17 games and was only one point from safety. So there's not much comparison at all is there. Are you comparing Parker to Hodgson?
I've not mentioned Hodgson?
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on January 17, 2021, 02:29:29 PM
I've not mentioned Hodgson?
no but jay did which is why i bought up sanchez and asked him if he thought we would have stayed up under him. ill ask you the same question, do you think, even though he was doing slightly better than we are now after 17 games that we would have stayed up if we hadnt of sacked sanchez?
I'm more optimistic under Parker now than I was under Sanchez back then and I still think we'll probably go down. Plus I enjoy one we see even if I come away disappointed not winning. Big difference.
Quote from: FFC1987 on January 17, 2021, 02:33:41 PM
I'm more optimistic under Parker now than I was under Sanchez back then and I still think we'll probably go down. Plus I enjoy one we see even if I come away disappointed not winning. Big difference.
there was a stat wasnt there, that if games had of finished after 80 mins, then we would have been in the top 4 under sanchez. i see no difference between the 2 seasons apart fron sanchez team could attack but not defend where as parkers team can defend but not attack. is it better to drop points trying to win games or drop points by trying not to lose. is it easy to fix a leaky defence or is it easier to make yourself a more attacking threat.
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We%u2019ve also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I%u2019m so you%u2019ll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
21 games to play and we need to get 4 points more than Burnley and we%u2019ve also got two games in hand over Brighton, but yeah by Bens logic we might as well forfeit now
oh im not forfeiting just yet. im hoping for a decent manager to come in and change our fortunes.
What is a decent manager? Identify them.
Scott is doing a great job as far as I can tell even if we end up relegated. We are now a team big teams are annoyed to play.
Sanchez had lost the dressing room from what I can remember, has that happened yet now?
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I'm more optimistic under Parker now than I was under Sanchez back then and I still think we'll probably go down. Plus I enjoy one we see even if I come away disappointed not winning. Big difference.
there was a stat wasnt there, that if games had of finished after 80 mins, then we would have been in the top 4 under sanchez. i see no difference between the 2 seasons apart fron sanchez team could attack but not defend where as parkers team can defend but not attack. is it better to drop points trying to win games or drop points by trying not to lose. is it easy to fix a leaky defence or is it easier to make yourself a more attacking threat.
It's a lot easier to allow your team to attack more but not worry about defending or points on the board than to be as hard to break down as we are. I see a massive gulf in difference. A stat about us conceding late goals doesn't change that.
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We%u2019ve also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I%u2019m so you%u2019ll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
21 games to play and we need to get 4 points more than Burnley and we%u2019ve also got two games in hand over Brighton, but yeah by Bens logic we might as well forfeit now
oh im not forfeiting just yet. im hoping for a decent manager to come in and change our fortunes.
What is a decent manager? Identify them.
Scott is doing a great job as far as I can tell even if we end up relegated. We are now a team big teams are annoyed to play.
Sanchez had lost the dressing room from what I can remember, has that happened yet now?
scott is doing a great job as far as you can tell even if we get relegated? is that how far we have fallen, that we are now just making up the numbers. no, getting relegated would not be classed as doing a great job, far from it. have some ambition. we have a good squad, albeit slightly light up top. sanchez was sacked after 19 games with 14 points on the board, 2 points from safety and a minus 14 goal difference. lets see if we can better that and then re visit this
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We%u2019ve also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I%u2019m so you%u2019ll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
21 games to play and we need to get 4 points more than Burnley and we%u2019ve also got two games in hand over Brighton, but yeah by Bens logic we might as well forfeit now
oh im not forfeiting just yet. im hoping for a decent manager to come in and change our fortunes.
What is a decent manager? Identify them.
Scott is doing a great job as far as I can tell even if we end up relegated. We are now a team big teams are annoyed to play.
Sanchez had lost the dressing room from what I can remember, has that happened yet now?
scott is doing a great job as far as you can tell even if we get relegated? is that how far we have fallen, that we are now just making up the numbers. no, getting relegated would not be classed as doing a great job, far from it. have some ambition. we have a good squad, albeit slightly light up top. sanchez was sacked after 19 games with 14 points on the board, 2 points from safety and a minus 14 goal difference. lets see if we can better that and then re visit this
Sounds good. As I've said, lets re-visit after WestBrom and Brighton. Bad results against them and I think we'll see some very different opinions.
I am quite interested to know who these 'decent managers' are that people want to replace Parker?? I cannot see a room full of Pep's waiting for a job..... unless you would have wished we had gone for Big Sam 🤣🤣⚽️🤡
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We%u2019ve also got two games in hand? Not sure how you can blame Parker for anything today but then you hate him so I%u2019m so you%u2019ll try
we have played the same amount of games as 17th place burnley who are 4 points ahead of us.
So four points with more than half the season left to play equals us being cut adrift. Interesting.
21 games to play and we need to get 4 points more than Burnley and we%u2019ve also got two games in hand over Brighton, but yeah by Bens logic we might as well forfeit now
oh im not forfeiting just yet. im hoping for a decent manager to come in and change our fortunes.
What is a decent manager? Identify them.
Scott is doing a great job as far as I can tell even if we end up relegated. We are now a team big teams are annoyed to play.
Sanchez had lost the dressing room from what I can remember, has that happened yet now?
scott is doing a great job as far as you can tell even if we get relegated? is that how far we have fallen, that we are now just making up the numbers. no, getting relegated would not be classed as doing a great job, far from it. have some ambition. we have a good squad, albeit slightly light up top. sanchez was sacked after 19 games with 14 points on the board, 2 points from safety and a minus 14 goal difference. lets see if we can better that and then re visit this
Sounds good. As I've said, lets re-visit after WestBrom and Brighton. Bad results against them and I think we'll see some very different opinions.
yes 6 points from those 2 games changes everything. And hopefully we can do it. It's what happens if we don't beat them both that I am worried about.
You will not hear a different opinion from me. He got us up and he can get us up again if the worst happens.
Look at Norwich if you want to see a good recent example. Top of the division having been easily relegated. Sold a couple of players to balance the books but kept a core.
If we go down I would back Scott to get us back up. Consistency of management and the stability it brings is so important. For the record I don't think we will go down
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on January 17, 2021, 03:12:45 PM
I am quite interested to know who these 'decent managers' are that people want to replace Parker?? I cannot see a room full of Pep's waiting for a job..... unless you would have wished we had gone for Big Sam 🤣🤣⚽️🤡
well big Sam currently has a better points per game average than Parker. But I agree it probably wouldn't be much of an upgrade.
May I suggest that there is a bloke who when called answers to the name of Scott Parker ex player and ex coach who is currently doing a grand job as Manager of Fulham against opponents and also their biased referees. A bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush, and Scott Parker is in a better position than anyone to lead Fulham than anybody at this time. Let us let him do his job even though he is hamstrung by not having any other strikers to choose from.
Keep sticking to your little snippets of statistics . I prefer to go by what I am seeing growing in front of my eyes. A team that is confident and together,pulling in the same direction and looks 100 percent behind Parker,who is looking as though he could be one of the brightest managers coming through . And you want rid and would contemplate Allardyce !
At last the club is looking like it is heading in the right direction and we are competetive and yet we are all still having to read all this crap . It really does beggar belief!!!!
Quote from: fulhamben on January 17, 2021, 02:57:28 PM
scott is doing a great job as far as you can tell even if we get relegated? is that how far we have fallen, that we are now just making up the numbers.
We came up in 4th, spent very little money (because TK had already spent it all on Fabri, Knockaert, Seri, Mawson et al) and most of the key players weren't signed in time for the start of the season. All in all, I don't think it's reasonable to expect us to be anywhere besides 17th/18th.
Quote from: fulhamben on January 17, 2021, 03:21:12 PM
well big Sam currently has a better points per game average than Parker. But I agree it probably wouldn't be much of an upgrade.
Not over the same period, ie the last 5 games. Which again shows that we're being undermined by a crap start when we had Ream and Odoi at CB.
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Quote from: fulhamben on January 17, 2021, 02:57:28 PM
scott is doing a great job as far as you can tell even if we get relegated? is that how far we have fallen, that we are now just making up the numbers.
We came up in 4th, spent very little money (because TK had already spent it all on Fabri, Knockaert, Seri, Mawson et al) and most of the key players weren't signed in time for the start of the season. All in all, I don't think it's reasonable to expect us to be anywhere besides 17th/18th.
Quote from: fulhamben on January 17, 2021, 03:21:12 PM
well big Sam currently has a better points per game average than Parker. But I agree it probably wouldn't be much of an upgrade.
Not over the same period, ie the last 5 games. Which again shows that we're being undermined by a crap start when we had Ream and Odoi at CB.
no the last 5 games they are exactly the same aren't they. Albeit brom don't have as good a squad. And come on now, budget isn't a factor. Tosin robinson tete aina and Anderson cost less than mlm didn't they. And yes maybe 17/ 18th is the best we can hope for. It's just a shame that we are so far away from 17th currently.
Quote from: SG on January 17, 2021, 03:17:08 PM
You will not hear a different opinion from me. He got us up and he can get us up again if the worst happens.
Look at Norwich if you want to see a good recent example. Top of the division having been easily relegated. Sold a couple of players to balance the books but kept a core.
If we go down I would back Scott to get us back up. Consistency of management and the stability it brings is so important. For the record I don't think we will go down
Couldn't agree more. Smart, mindful take.
Quote from: fulhamben on January 17, 2021, 03:41:32 PM
no the last 5 games they are exactly the same aren't they.
Yes but I was replying to your point that Big Sam had done better
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And come on now, budget isn't a factor. Tosin robinson tete aina and Anderson cost less than mlm didn't they.
Of course it is. Tosin, Robinson and Tete cost peanuts for a reason. Two of them were playing in the Championship last year. At this level they're bang average but Parker has got them playing the best football of their careers. That's what good managers do, like Hodgson did with Etuhu. Admittedly Anderson is quality but on paper so was Chambers in 18/19. Difference is that Jokanovic had players like him playing the worst football of their careers for us.
And FWIW i expect the aggregate cost of buying those 5 would be about 10x what we spent on MLM but not sure that's relevant to the point we're discussing...
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And yes maybe 17/ 18th is the best we can hope for. It's just a shame that we are so far away from 17th currently.
5pts from 17th with two games in hand, and a six pointer coming up against the team we need to catch. Not "so far away" IMO (but clearly you disagree... so be it)
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no the last 5 games they are exactly the same aren't they.
Yes but I was replying to your point that Big Sam had done better
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And come on now, budget isn't a factor. Tosin robinson tete aina and Anderson cost less than mlm didn't they.
Of course it is. Tosin, Robinson and Tete cost peanuts for a reason. Two of them were playing in the Championship last year. At this level they're bang average but Parker has got them playing the best football of their careers. That's what good managers do, like Hodgson did with Etuhu. Admittedly Anderson is quality but on paper so was Chambers in 18/19. Difference is that Jokanovic had players like him playing the worst football of their careers for us.
And FWIW i expect the aggregate cost of buying those 5 would be about 10x what we spent on MLM but not sure that's relevant to the point we're discussing...
Quote from: fulhamben on January 17, 2021, 03:41:32 PM
And yes maybe 17/ 18th is the best we can hope for. It's just a shame that we are so far away from 17th currently.
5pts from 17th with two games in hand, and a six pointer coming up against the team we need to catch. Not "so far away" IMO (but clearly you disagree... so be it)
is this like us finishing joint 3rd last season. We are four points from 17th.
Over last 4 and 6 games WBA and Fulham are the same points wise. We are no better off as I said before from when Sam took them over.
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is this like us finishing joint 3rd last season.
Yes Ben. It's called reality. But I know that's not something you care about when discussing Parker.
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is this like us finishing joint 3rd last season.
Yes Ben. It's called reality. But I know that's not something you care about when discussing Parker.
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Quote from: jayffc on January 17, 2021, 01:48:20 PM
Yes...but put simply...we didnt have 2 games in hand on one of those teams above us. If youd compared us after 17 games whilst Brighton had also only played 17, youd find us 2 points off safety given they wouldnt have played their last 2.
Just overall better to look objectively at how were shaping up, and what we look capable of doing now we have a considerably stronger defence and are currently looking to add some more firepower.
As stated ...under Roy Hodgson we were all but relegated with just a few games to play its foolish to get drawn into all this with over half a season to play. Let's just see where we are once the window closes and hope we have some capable reinforcements
so let me ask you this, do you think we would have stayed up if we never sacked sanchez and didnt appoint hodgson
What a bizarre diversion , the Hodgson point was literslly just to say were not cut adrift completely and anything is possible... but comparison is at least relevant because Hodgson built our team around being better organised defensively and harder to beat, then later on managed to get us winning.
Under Sanchez the football was dire (many referred to it as long ball s***te and as mentioned hed completely lost the locker room. This year the team seem behind him and the style of play is ininfinitley better. You keep cherry picking random stats or moments that fit the narrative while ignoring as early as our last prem season when we sacked 3 managers and still got relegated. but it could go any way. We could just as equally sack Parker, and still go down .
To being us back to this moment instead if randonlynco paring to the past , weve been playing much better....as mentioned again , just see what comes in during the january break and then go from.
This is coming from someone who's been deeply critical of Parker at times, but to compare our chances with that under the likes of Sanchez is way off. Were a much better team than then, with a few additions in happy to give Scott the chance to push on.
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Yes...but put simply...we didnt have 2 games in hand on one of those teams above us. If youd compared us after 17 games whilst Brighton had also only played 17, youd find us 2 points off safety given they wouldnt have played their last 2.
Just overall better to look objectively at how were shaping up, and what we look capable of doing now we have a considerably stronger defence and are currently looking to add some more firepower.
As stated ...under Roy Hodgson we were all but relegated with just a few games to play its foolish to get drawn into all this with over half a season to play. Let's just see where we are once the window closes and hope we have some capable reinforcements
so let me ask you this, do you think we would have stayed up if we never sacked sanchez and didnt appoint hodgson
What a bizarre diversion , the Hodgson point was literslly just to say were not cut adrift completely and anything is possible... but comparison is at least relevant because Hodgson built our team around being better organised defensively and harder to beat, then later on managed to get us winning.
Under Sanchez the football was dire (many referred to it as long ball s***te and as mentioned hed completely lost the locker room. This year the team seem behind him and the style of play is ininfinitley better. You keep cherry picking random stats or moments that fit the narrative while ignoring as early as our last prem season when we sacked 3 managers and still got relegated. but it could go any way. We could just as equally sack Parker, and still go down .
To being us back to this moment instead if randonlynco paring to the past , weve been playing much better....as mentioned again , just see what comes in during the january break and then go from.
This is coming from someone who's been deeply critical of Parker at times, but to compare our chances with that under the likes of Sanchez is way off. Were a much better team than then, with a few additions in happy to give Scott the chance to push on.
we are a much better team but worse off now than we were under sanchez at the same point. we might look better and be harder to beat, but as it stands, sanchez team was more affective than this one
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Quote from: SG on January 17, 2021, 03:17:08 PM
You will not hear a different opinion from me. He got us up and he can get us up again if the worst happens.
Look at Norwich if you want to see a good recent example. Top of the division having been easily relegated. Sold a couple of players to balance the books but kept a core.
If we go down I would back Scott to get us back up. Consistency of management and the stability it brings is so important. For the record I don't think we will go down
Couldn't agree more. Smart, mindful take.
I think you've mistook what I said when different opinion. I was referring to the attitudes and posts recently suggesting 'we're too good to go down' and the like. Or that they're 'confident' we'll stay up. If you think so after defeats or draws to Brighton and Brom, well, I'd say your overly optimistic. I certainly won't be calling for a managers head who knows the players, has experience in getting us promoted and has really helped the club go from strength to strength. I think you'll hear a few more Parker out posts maybe, but I think people will naturally be more inclined to say we'll likely be relegated if we can't get victories from those games.
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Quote from: jayffc on January 17, 2021, 01:48:20 PM
Yes...but put simply...we didnt have 2 games in hand on one of those teams above us. If youd compared us after 17 games whilst Brighton had also only played 17, youd find us 2 points off safety given they wouldnt have played their last 2.
Just overall better to look objectively at how were shaping up, and what we look capable of doing now we have a considerably stronger defence and are currently looking to add some more firepower.
As stated ...under Roy Hodgson we were all but relegated with just a few games to play its foolish to get drawn into all this with over half a season to play. Let's just see where we are once the window closes and hope we have some capable reinforcements
so let me ask you this, do you think we would have stayed up if we never sacked sanchez and didnt appoint hodgson
What a bizarre diversion , the Hodgson point was literslly just to say were not cut adrift completely and anything is possible... but comparison is at least relevant because Hodgson built our team around being better organised defensively and harder to beat, then later on managed to get us winning.
Under Sanchez the football was dire (many referred to it as long ball s***te and as mentioned hed completely lost the locker room. This year the team seem behind him and the style of play is ininfinitley better. You keep cherry picking random stats or moments that fit the narrative while ignoring as early as our last prem season when we sacked 3 managers and still got relegated. but it could go any way. We could just as equally sack Parker, and still go down .
To being us back to this moment instead if randonlynco paring to the past , weve been playing much better....as mentioned again , just see what comes in during the january break and then go from.
This is coming from someone who's been deeply critical of Parker at times, but to compare our chances with that under the likes of Sanchez is way off. Were a much better team than then, with a few additions in happy to give Scott the chance to push on.
we are a much better team but worse off now than we were under sanchez at the same point. we might look better and be harder to beat, but as it stands, sanchez team was more affective than this one
Yes...but different circumstances all together which is why comparing to random stats doesnt tell the full picture and isnt particularly useful...wether we were closer in points to safety is only one element....
The issue for Sanchez was having also only got 2 wins that season by December....we were deteriorating fast and on a strongly downward trend. Sanchez was fired off the back of a string of losses (think it was like 4 in 5 or something like that if I recall) and it was clear to say we weren't showing any signs of improving under him. Plus the football was dire.
This season having started shakily, we replaced 9 of the 11 starters and since then have seen an upward trend that has led us to the point where we just went on an unbeaten run in 5 or 6 games and against some very good clubs. This has led many of us to the point where the general feeling is that with a couple of striking options there is plenty to suggest we are capable of turning some of our draws into wins...
It may not materialise of course but the trend is that we have improved from a bad start with new additions, to the point where everyone in the league has noticed our vast improvements... that makes dumping the manager out at a time when we could well bring in a striker or 2 to really ramp things up, inadvisable....
Forget getting caught up in numbers...we could equally fish out various cherry picked examples that work the other way. But were better off looking objectively at what we are seeing right now and making judgments based on that.
Anyway....if you disagree with that so be it I guess. Again...wasnt a Parker fan last year but there is a reason every friend of mine who supports other clubs in the league that were ripping me early in the season, have all changed their tune and think well stay up. They're seeing what most of us are seeing.
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Quote from: jayffc on January 17, 2021, 01:48:20 PM
Yes...but put simply...we didnt have 2 games in hand on one of those teams above us. If youd compared us after 17 games whilst Brighton had also only played 17, youd find us 2 points off safety given they wouldnt have played their last 2.
Just overall better to look objectively at how were shaping up, and what we look capable of doing now we have a considerably stronger defence and are currently looking to add some more firepower.
As stated ...under Roy Hodgson we were all but relegated with just a few games to play its foolish to get drawn into all this with over half a season to play. Let's just see where we are once the window closes and hope we have some capable reinforcements
so let me ask you this, do you think we would have stayed up if we never sacked sanchez and didnt appoint hodgson
What a bizarre diversion , the Hodgson point was literslly just to say were not cut adrift completely and anything is possible... but comparison is at least relevant because Hodgson built our team around being better organised defensively and harder to beat, then later on managed to get us winning.
Under Sanchez the football was dire (many referred to it as long ball s***te and as mentioned hed completely lost the locker room. This year the team seem behind him and the style of play is ininfinitley better. You keep cherry picking random stats or moments that fit the narrative while ignoring as early as our last prem season when we sacked 3 managers and still got relegated. but it could go any way. We could just as equally sack Parker, and still go down .
To being us back to this moment instead if randonlynco paring to the past , weve been playing much better....as mentioned again , just see what comes in during the january break and then go from.
This is coming from someone who's been deeply critical of Parker at times, but to compare our chances with that under the likes of Sanchez is way off. Were a much better team than then, with a few additions in happy to give Scott the chance to push on.
we are a much better team but worse off now than we were under sanchez at the same point. we might look better and be harder to beat, but as it stands, sanchez team was more affective than this one
Yes...but different circumstances all together which is why comparing to random stats doesnt tell the full picture and isnt particularly useful...wether we were closer in points to safety is only one element....
The issue for Sanchez was having also only got 2 wins that season by December....we were deteriorating fast and on a strongly downward trend. Sanchez was fired off the back of a string of losses (think it was like 4 in 5 or something like that if I recall) and it was clear to say we weren't showing any signs of improving under him. Plus the football was dire.
This season having started shakily, we replaced 9 of the 11 starters and since then have seen an upward trend that has led us to the point where we just went on an unbeaten run in 5 or 6 games and against some very good clubs. This has led many of us to the point where the general feeling is that with a couple of striking options there is plenty to suggest we are capable of turning some of our draws into wins...
It may not materialise of course but the trend is that we have improved from a bad start with new additions, to the point where everyone in the league has noticed our vast improvements... that makes dumping the manager out at a time when we could well bring in a striker or 2 to really ramp things up, inadvisable....
Forget getting caught up in numbers...we could equally fish out various cherry picked examples that work the other way. But were better off looking objectively at what we are seeing right now and making judgments based on that.
Anyway....if you disagree with that so be it I guess. Again...wasnt a Parker fan last year but there is a reason every friend of mine who supports other clubs in the league that were ripping me early in the season, have all changed their tune and think well stay up. They're seeing what most of us are seeing.
0 wins in 7 is what I see right now, with barely a goal scored and a gap opening up between us and safety.
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Yes...but put simply...we didnt have 2 games in hand on one of those teams above us. If youd compared us after 17 games whilst Brighton had also only played 17, youd find us 2 points off safety given they wouldnt have played their last 2.
Just overall better to look objectively at how were shaping up, and what we look capable of doing now we have a considerably stronger defence and are currently looking to add some more firepower.
As stated ...under Roy Hodgson we were all but relegated with just a few games to play its foolish to get drawn into all this with over half a season to play. Let's just see where we are once the window closes and hope we have some capable reinforcements
so let me ask you this, do you think we would have stayed up if we never sacked sanchez and didnt appoint hodgson
What a bizarre diversion , the Hodgson point was literslly just to say were not cut adrift completely and anything is possible... but comparison is at least relevant because Hodgson built our team around being better organised defensively and harder to beat, then later on managed to get us winning.
Under Sanchez the football was dire (many referred to it as long ball s***te and as mentioned hed completely lost the locker room. This year the team seem behind him and the style of play is ininfinitley better. You keep cherry picking random stats or moments that fit the narrative while ignoring as early as our last prem season when we sacked 3 managers and still got relegated. but it could go any way. We could just as equally sack Parker, and still go down .
To being us back to this moment instead if randonlynco paring to the past , weve been playing much better....as mentioned again , just see what comes in during the january break and then go from.
This is coming from someone who's been deeply critical of Parker at times, but to compare our chances with that under the likes of Sanchez is way off. Were a much better team than then, with a few additions in happy to give Scott the chance to push on.
we are a much better team but worse off now than we were under sanchez at the same point. we might look better and be harder to beat, but as it stands, sanchez team was more affective than this one
Yes...but different circumstances all together which is why comparing to random stats doesnt tell the full picture and isnt particularly useful...wether we were closer in points to safety is only one element....
The issue for Sanchez was having also only got 2 wins that season by December....we were deteriorating fast and on a strongly downward trend. Sanchez was fired off the back of a string of losses (think it was like 4 in 5 or something like that if I recall) and it was clear to say we weren't showing any signs of improving under him. Plus the football was dire.
This season having started shakily, we replaced 9 of the 11 starters and since then have seen an upward trend that has led us to the point where we just went on an unbeaten run in 5 or 6 games and against some very good clubs. This has led many of us to the point where the general feeling is that with a couple of striking options there is plenty to suggest we are capable of turning some of our draws into wins...
It may not materialise of course but the trend is that we have improved from a bad start with new additions, to the point where everyone in the league has noticed our vast improvements... that makes dumping the manager out at a time when we could well bring in a striker or 2 to really ramp things up, inadvisable....
Forget getting caught up in numbers...we could equally fish out various cherry picked examples that work the other way. But were better off looking objectively at what we are seeing right now and making judgments based on that.
Anyway....if you disagree with that so be it I guess. Again...wasnt a Parker fan last year but there is a reason every friend of mine who supports other clubs in the league that were ripping me early in the season, have all changed their tune and think well stay up. They're seeing what most of us are seeing.
0 wins in 7 is what I see right now, with barely a goal scored and a gap opening up between us and safety.
we did win in the cup in the last 7.
But yes, as far as the premier league is concerned, I understand it's 5points from 7 games that include playing Man City, Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea. Not ideal stats (though notice your decision to look at it from a half full angle "0 wins" rather than 5 draws. Also importantly notice you didn't choose the same sample of 5 in 6 game losing streak that brought Sanchez to being fired. you went for 7 games as it helped with the narrative, whilst stopping short of 8 - because that would have had to include the win against Leicester, this is the cherry-picking I'm referring to being unhelpful and I wish we'd drop it as its becoming a distraction more than anything)
The point people are making is that the general consensus is that we are improving (ask any of the pundits and experts as well as notice how the talk around us online has changed)and the missing ingredient is that we need a consistent finisher/more attacking options, and we are in the middle of a transfer window.
I.E there is still reason to believe = massive defensive improvement made + new striking options better than what we have = better results. Last time in the premier league we felt we had a decent team on paper, and we changed manager 3 times - only to find out, maybe the problem wasn't the managers - considering we replaced Slav with the vastly experienced Ranieri, only to find that didn't work either. No one is saying it's impossible we could sack Parker and see a sudden upturn in results, but why disrupt a clearly improving team just as it appears likely we're about to add the pieces most of us suspect are all that's missing.
Parker has proven given the right defenders he can improve that area no end, so the is a reasonable reason to suggest he may be able to do the same if he gets better striking options. Not guaranteed of course, but had we looked like we had under Sanchez or Ranieri I wouldn't be defending him or the team
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Yes...but put simply...we didnt have 2 games in hand on one of those teams above us. If youd compared us after 17 games whilst Brighton had also only played 17, youd find us 2 points off safety given they wouldnt have played their last 2.
Just overall better to look objectively at how were shaping up, and what we look capable of doing now we have a considerably stronger defence and are currently looking to add some more firepower.
As stated ...under Roy Hodgson we were all but relegated with just a few games to play its foolish to get drawn into all this with over half a season to play. Let's just see where we are once the window closes and hope we have some capable reinforcements
so let me ask you this, do you think we would have stayed up if we never sacked sanchez and didnt appoint hodgson
What a bizarre diversion , the Hodgson point was literslly just to say were not cut adrift completely and anything is possible... but comparison is at least relevant because Hodgson built our team around being better organised defensively and harder to beat, then later on managed to get us winning.
Under Sanchez the football was dire (many referred to it as long ball s***te and as mentioned hed completely lost the locker room. This year the team seem behind him and the style of play is ininfinitley better. You keep cherry picking random stats or moments that fit the narrative while ignoring as early as our last prem season when we sacked 3 managers and still got relegated. but it could go any way. We could just as equally sack Parker, and still go down .
To being us back to this moment instead if randonlynco paring to the past , weve been playing much better....as mentioned again , just see what comes in during the january break and then go from.
This is coming from someone who's been deeply critical of Parker at times, but to compare our chances with that under the likes of Sanchez is way off. Were a much better team than then, with a few additions in happy to give Scott the chance to push on.
we are a much better team but worse off now than we were under sanchez at the same point. we might look better and be harder to beat, but as it stands, sanchez team was more affective than this one
Yes...but different circumstances all together which is why comparing to random stats doesnt tell the full picture and isnt particularly useful...wether we were closer in points to safety is only one element....
The issue for Sanchez was having also only got 2 wins that season by December....we were deteriorating fast and on a strongly downward trend. Sanchez was fired off the back of a string of losses (think it was like 4 in 5 or something like that if I recall) and it was clear to say we weren't showing any signs of improving under him. Plus the football was dire.
This season having started shakily, we replaced 9 of the 11 starters and since then have seen an upward trend that has led us to the point where we just went on an unbeaten run in 5 or 6 games and against some very good clubs. This has led many of us to the point where the general feeling is that with a couple of striking options there is plenty to suggest we are capable of turning some of our draws into wins...
It may not materialise of course but the trend is that we have improved from a bad start with new additions, to the point where everyone in the league has noticed our vast improvements... that makes dumping the manager out at a time when we could well bring in a striker or 2 to really ramp things up, inadvisable....
Forget getting caught up in numbers...we could equally fish out various cherry picked examples that work the other way. But were better off looking objectively at what we are seeing right now and making judgments based on that.
Anyway....if you disagree with that so be it I guess. Again...wasnt a Parker fan last year but there is a reason every friend of mine who supports other clubs in the league that were ripping me early in the season, have all changed their tune and think well stay up. They're seeing what most of us are seeing.
0 wins in 7 is what I see right now, with barely a goal scored and a gap opening up between us and safety.
we did win in the cup in the last 7.
But yes, as far as the premier league is concerned, I understand it's 5points from 7 games that include playing Man City, Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea. Not ideal stats (though notice your decision to look at it from a half full angle "0 wins" rather than 5 draws. Also importantly notice you didn't choose the same sample of 5 in 6 game losing streak that brought Sanchez to being fired. you went for 7 games as it helped with the narrative, whilst stopping short of 8 - because that would have had to include the win against Leicester, this is the cherry-picking I'm referring to being unhelpful and I wish we'd drop it as its becoming a distraction more than anything)
The point people are making is that the general consensus is that we are improving (ask any of the pundits and experts as well as notice how the talk around us online has changed)and the missing ingredient is that we need a consistent finisher/more attacking options, and we are in the middle of a transfer window.
I.E there is still reason to believe = massive defensive improvement made + new striking options better than what we have = better results. Last time in the premier league we felt we had a decent team on paper, and we changed manager 3 times - only to find out, maybe the problem wasn't the managers - considering we replaced Slav with the vastly experienced Ranieri, only to find that didn't work either. No one is saying it's impossible we could sack Parker and see a sudden upturn in results, but why disrupt a clearly improving team just as it appears likely we're about to add the pieces most of us suspect are all that's missing.
Parker has proven given the right defenders he can improve that area no end, so the is a reasonable reason to suggest he may be able to do the same if he gets better striking options. Not guaranteed of course, but had we looked like we had under Sanchez or Ranieri
yes it is only 5 points from 7 games, that's why we have slipped behind 17th place. Anything under a point a game is relegation form. Parker has proven that given the right players he can improve the area no end? Well that's the problem isn't it. We might not get upgrades in our attack, and as you have rightly pointed out, Parker requires new better players to improve us as he has struggled since he has been here to improve what we already had.
OK, lets call this discussion a draw shall we (not that we haven't had a hatful of those recently) and stop bickering, as people are not going to change their (other others') minds and the discussion is getting both nit-picky and pointless (like one of our last 5 games) and finally just agree to disagree.
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Yes...but put simply...we didnt have 2 games in hand on one of those teams above us. If youd compared us after 17 games whilst Brighton had also only played 17, youd find us 2 points off safety given they wouldnt have played their last 2.
Just overall better to look objectively at how were shaping up, and what we look capable of doing now we have a considerably stronger defence and are currently looking to add some more firepower.
As stated ...under Roy Hodgson we were all but relegated with just a few games to play its foolish to get drawn into all this with over half a season to play. Let's just see where we are once the window closes and hope we have some capable reinforcements
so let me ask you this, do you think we would have stayed up if we never sacked sanchez and didnt appoint hodgson
What a bizarre diversion , the Hodgson point was literslly just to say were not cut adrift completely and anything is possible... but comparison is at least relevant because Hodgson built our team around being better organised defensively and harder to beat, then later on managed to get us winning.
Under Sanchez the football was dire (many referred to it as long ball s***te and as mentioned hed completely lost the locker room. This year the team seem behind him and the style of play is ininfinitley better. You keep cherry picking random stats or moments that fit the narrative while ignoring as early as our last prem season when we sacked 3 managers and still got relegated. but it could go any way. We could just as equally sack Parker, and still go down .
To being us back to this moment instead if randonlynco paring to the past , weve been playing much better....as mentioned again , just see what comes in during the january break and then go from.
This is coming from someone who's been deeply critical of Parker at times, but to compare our chances with that under the likes of Sanchez is way off. Were a much better team than then, with a few additions in happy to give Scott the chance to push on.
we are a much better team but worse off now than we were under sanchez at the same point. we might look better and be harder to beat, but as it stands, sanchez team was more affective than this one
Yes...but different circumstances all together which is why comparing to random stats doesnt tell the full picture and isnt particularly useful...wether we were closer in points to safety is only one element....
The issue for Sanchez was having also only got 2 wins that season by December....we were deteriorating fast and on a strongly downward trend. Sanchez was fired off the back of a string of losses (think it was like 4 in 5 or something like that if I recall) and it was clear to say we weren't showing any signs of improving under him. Plus the football was dire.
This season having started shakily, we replaced 9 of the 11 starters and since then have seen an upward trend that has led us to the point where we just went on an unbeaten run in 5 or 6 games and against some very good clubs. This has led many of us to the point where the general feeling is that with a couple of striking options there is plenty to suggest we are capable of turning some of our draws into wins...
It may not materialise of course but the trend is that we have improved from a bad start with new additions, to the point where everyone in the league has noticed our vast improvements... that makes dumping the manager out at a time when we could well bring in a striker or 2 to really ramp things up, inadvisable....
Forget getting caught up in numbers...we could equally fish out various cherry picked examples that work the other way. But were better off looking objectively at what we are seeing right now and making judgments based on that.
Anyway....if you disagree with that so be it I guess. Again...wasnt a Parker fan last year but there is a reason every friend of mine who supports other clubs in the league that were ripping me early in the season, have all changed their tune and think well stay up. They're seeing what most of us are seeing.
0 wins in 7 is what I see right now, with barely a goal scored and a gap opening up between us and safety.
we did win in the cup in the last 7.
But yes, as far as the premier league is concerned, I understand it's 5points from 7 games that include playing Man City, Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea. Not ideal stats (though notice your decision to look at it from a half full angle "0 wins" rather than 5 draws. Also importantly notice you didn't choose the same sample of 5 in 6 game losing streak that brought Sanchez to being fired. you went for 7 games as it helped with the narrative, whilst stopping short of 8 - because that would have had to include the win against Leicester, this is the cherry-picking I'm referring to being unhelpful and I wish we'd drop it as its becoming a distraction more than anything)
The point people are making is that the general consensus is that we are improving (ask any of the pundits and experts as well as notice how the talk around us online has changed)and the missing ingredient is that we need a consistent finisher/more attacking options, and we are in the middle of a transfer window.
I.E there is still reason to believe = massive defensive improvement made + new striking options better than what we have = better results. Last time in the premier league we felt we had a decent team on paper, and we changed manager 3 times - only to find out, maybe the problem wasn't the managers - considering we replaced Slav with the vastly experienced Ranieri, only to find that didn't work either. No one is saying it's impossible we could sack Parker and see a sudden upturn in results, but why disrupt a clearly improving team just as it appears likely we're about to add the pieces most of us suspect are all that's missing.
Parker has proven given the right defenders he can improve that area no end, so the is a reasonable reason to suggest he may be able to do the same if he gets better striking options. Not guaranteed of course, but had we looked like we had under Sanchez or Ranieri
yes it is only 5 points from 7 games, that's why we have slipped behind 17th place. Anything under a point a game is relegation form. Parker has proven that given the right players he can improve the area no end? Well that's the problem isn't it. We might not get upgrades in our attack, and as you have rightly pointed out, Parker requires new better players to improve us as he has struggled since he has been here to improve what we already had.
Alright man, I understand what you are saying, I just disagree with it. No point dragging this out anymore, most people it seems, on here and in the media, including those who weren't too hot on Parker last year and early this year (myself included) think he has made pretty huge improvements this year with what we now have in place - having completed the summer window. The difference from the first 4 games- to the rest of the season, is a pretty obvious testament to that. It's led many of us to the opinion that maybe Parker isn't the main problem at this moment at this point. It appears you don't agree and you have no interest in changing that perspective.
I believe strongly that we will bring in an alternative attacking option, Scott has stated that's what he feels he needs publically, and I think any new manager coming in would say exactly the same. I expect the club can see that and will be working on it.
You are not so sure we'll bring anyone in and so are looking ahead to make the chop. Go ahead.... If we sign a striker by the end of Jan and start to win games and stay up, I hope you'll be ready and willing to accept you were wrong on this.
If we get a good striking option or 2 in and we still are failing to score goals and get wins, then I have no problem in facing the reality that given a complete set of tools, Scott failed to be successful and failed to implement those tools properly.
If we fail to sign any strikers then I'll be saying Tony has made a big mistake aswell.
Either way I'll be trying to make a reasonable assessment of what is going on based on consideration of the nuances of each scenario in the moment. I am always willing to have my mind changed if things turn out differently to how I'd originally predicted, and this season will be no different.
Quote from: Logicalman on January 17, 2021, 11:57:33 PM
OK, lets call this discussion a draw shall we (not that we haven't had a hatful of those recently) and stop bickering, as people are not going to change their (other others') minds and the discussion is getting both nit-picky and pointless (like one of our last 5 games) and finally just agree to disagree.
would love to
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Quote from: Logicalman on January 17, 2021, 11:57:33 PM
OK, lets call this discussion a draw shall we (not that we haven't had a hatful of those recently) and stop bickering, as people are not going to change their (other others') minds and the discussion is getting both nit-picky and pointless (like one of our last 5 games) and finally just agree to disagree.
would love to
yep I'll agree to a truce for now. Let's revisit this after the brom game where hopefully we have 9 extra points on the board and an fa cup 5th Round tie to look forward too.
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Quote from: Logicalman on January 17, 2021, 11:57:33 PM
OK, lets call this discussion a draw shall we (not that we haven't had a hatful of those recently) and stop bickering, as people are not going to change their (other others') minds and the discussion is getting both nit-picky and pointless (like one of our last 5 games) and finally just agree to disagree.
would love to
yep I'll agree to a truce for now. Let's revisit this after the brom game where hopefully we have 9 extra points on the board and an fa cup 5th Round tie to look forward too.
Ha! Now wouldn't that be dreamy!
Likewise, I'm waiting to see what we bring in by the end of the window before I put my neck out too firmly as to how the second half of our season will go. As long as we're in touching distance by then, I hope we can all feel a little more positive!
COYW!
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Quote from: Sting of the North on January 16, 2021, 07:33:29 PM
But we look infinitely better than we did at this time two years ago. Back then we looked like relegation fodder, and a laughing stock. Now we don't. I cannot understand how it is possible for anyone that watched us back then and watch us now to conclude that we are worse this season. That is absolutely beyond belief for me.
we couldnt defend last time but we did have goals in us. weve gone full circle and dont either bother starting games with a striker anymore. and we might be better this season, but so are the other teams, hence we have now been cut adrift
Jesus Ben I pray I never get stuck in a lift with you. You really are the must turgid poster on here. Parker has said we need strikers. Not his fault they aren't enough in the squad yet
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But we look infinitely better than we did at this time two years ago. Back then we looked like relegation fodder, and a laughing stock. Now we don't. I cannot understand how it is possible for anyone that watched us back then and watch us now to conclude that we are worse this season. That is absolutely beyond belief for me.
we couldnt defend last time but we did have goals in us. weve gone full circle and dont either bother starting games with a striker anymore. and we might be better this season, but so are the other teams, hence we have now been cut adrift
Jesus Ben I pray I never get stuck in a lift with you. You really are the must turgid poster on here. Parker has said we need strikers. Not his fault they aren't enough in the squad yet
He ain't always like that, just when you get him started on Parker. At least he can keep a post within a <1,000 word count unlike some (not aimed at you)
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Quote from: Sting of the North on January 16, 2021, 07:33:29 PM
But we look infinitely better than we did at this time two years ago. Back then we looked like relegation fodder, and a laughing stock. Now we don't. I cannot understand how it is possible for anyone that watched us back then and watch us now to conclude that we are worse this season. That is absolutely beyond belief for me.
we couldnt defend last time but we did have goals in us. weve gone full circle and dont either bother starting games with a striker anymore. and we might be better this season, but so are the other teams, hence we have now been cut adrift
Jesus Ben I pray I never get stuck in a lift with you. You really are the must turgid poster on here. Parker has said we need strikers. Not his fault they aren't enough in the squad yet
He ain't always like that, just when you get him started on Parker. At least he can keep a post within a <1,000 word count unlike some (not aimed at you)
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OK then, let's keep it all civil on the board please Chaps and Chapesses.
Statto, I tried to get to 1000 characters and even failed at that! :dft001:
