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no effort was attempted to bring in a recognised striker in this window.
Does TK think the squad is good enough?
are his other interests obscuring his vision
even for a rank anateur this is very poor
if he were not his father's son he would surely be shown the door.

or i could be missing something. when he said we were a yoyo club maybe he meant hae had it in mind to sabotage the season by not allowing us the privelidge of a foward line worthy of the name. he is surely taking all the fun out of it in a way I have not felt since the loathsome ian branfoot was manager.

Tony is bored with his toy. We will now sit on the shelf forgotten.

We brought one in though?

Well Parker reported some time ago that we were not likely to bring anybody in. We ended up with one player in who frankly is not really much if any improvement on the players like Kamara and Kabano we let go out on loan. But that may be unfair as we have yet to see him play for us.

But I think it was pretty clear when TK announced in a reply on Twitter that Fulham would have loved to be Yo Yo club when he took over. This does show that despite the fact that TK has made some good signings he has also made plenty of very poor ones and really doesn't understand the club or the fan base very much. He doesn't seem to want to.

There is no doubt we are worse off now than we were before the day started. But I am not frustrated anymore. Like many people who have lots of money and lots of business interests. They show a remarkable ignorance with some of their interests and Fulham look to be a slight annoyance to the Khans after spending money on a ground they can't fill even after the pandemic. They may feel they have spent enough and be looking for a way out after relegation in the false knowledge they left us better off than we were when they came.

Quote from: Somerset Fulham on February 01, 2021, 11:43:45 PM
We brought one in though?

One that no other Premier League team would want. It is not about signing any striker, it was about bringing quality in to help us survive. Instead we have meekly surrendered and accepted our Championship fate. Inspiring bargain basement signing by our supposed DoF.

It was a decent window. The club offloaded a number of players who had little hope of any game time, and brought in a striker from Bordeaux. With the team seven points from safety and juggling finances it was never going to be an easy window.

We tried hard to get Josh King but he chose someone else. That's the way it goes.

Quote from: Sgt Fulham on February 01, 2021, 11:47:47 PM

Quote from: Somerset Fulham on February 01, 2021, 11:43:45 PM
We brought one in though?

One that no other Premier League team would want. It is not about signing any striker, it was about bringing quality in to help us survive. Instead we have meekly surrendered and accepted our Championship fate. Inspiring bargain basement signing by our supposed DoF.

Edit.

Its not worth getting into trouble with the mods over.

I don't know much about the guy we bought in and the stats don't look great, but I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

If I remember correctly, Louis Saha achieved nothing before he came to Fulham so let's see how this guy does.

I would have liked another attacking player to come in, but I think finances have played a big role here.

On a different note, we moved on a few players, Seri, MLM, Kebano and Kamara which should lower our wage cap nicely

Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on February 01, 2021, 11:52:18 PM
We tried hard to get Josh King but he chose someone else. That's the way it goes.

How hard did we try do you think?
I suspect we didn't try at all but did a bit of PR to make it look like we tried.

the player we got seems to be not much better than ak or kebano and at least we know kebano can score coming off the bench. the youtube clips of this new man are underwhelming if they were his highlits.

Quote from: ALG01 on February 01, 2021, 11:33:53 PM
Does TK think the squad is good enough?

Tony Khan knows the team will probably go down without EPL quality reinforcements this season.

Quote from: ALG01 on February 01, 2021, 11:33:53 PM
Or I could be missing something.

Tony Khan is spending all this season's remaining money on the amoritzating the book value of players not getting game time.

TK's Lesson Learnt
He has learnt that bringing in Babel and Nordveidt was a mistake as it was too little too late; when the money could have been better spent on bringing in Hector and another player for the whole Championship season instead. If we had not bought in Babel, we would have been auto-promoted in the Championship and ready for the PL.

TK's Wisdom
Tony Khan made the right decision to spend the money on "amortization overvalued players", rather than loaning in a "new striker". He isn't going to repeat the same mistakes of 18/19, no point overspending and still going down.

Quote from: Somerset Fulham on February 01, 2021, 11:54:57 PM

Quote from: Sgt Fulham on February 01, 2021, 11:47:47 PM

Quote from: Somerset Fulham on February 01, 2021, 11:43:45 PM
We brought one in though?

One that no other Premier League team would want. It is not about signing any striker, it was about bringing quality in to help us survive. Instead we have meekly surrendered and accepted our Championship fate. Inspiring bargain basement signing by our supposed DoF.

Edit.

Its not worth getting into trouble with the mods over.

You're a strange guy. Getting abusive over my opinion, grow up.

Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 01, 2021, 11:56:50 PM

Quote from: ALG01 on February 01, 2021, 11:33:53 PM
Does TK think the squad is good enough?

Tony Khan knows the team will probably go down without EPL quality reinforcements this season.

Quote from: ALG01 on February 01, 2021, 11:33:53 PM
Or I could be missing something.

Tony Khan is spending all this season's remaining money on the amoritzating the book value of players not getting game time.

Tony Khan made the right decision to spend the money on "amortization overvalued players", rather than loaning in a "new striker". He has learnt that bringing in Babel and Nordveidt was a mistake when the money could have been better spent on bringing in Hector and Kongolo for the first half of the Championship season instead.

how do you know either of those things?
However you look at it, staying in the premiership is the most lucrative thing we could have done.
I think you are not correct in your analysis, and to be honest I am not sure I know what "amortization overvalued players' actually means. we kept poor players, some of whom are injured that will be little use in the championship if we do not get in quality forwards.
the ex fulham player that is hardly tearing up france, has been brought in on loan.
are you suggesting TK has thrown in the towel already, no interest in making a fight of it.
If so we honestly do not need hiom and his dad needs to take a deep breath and get rid.

It seemed like we tried hard to get King, offering him a longer contract, and game time - which the Norwegian manager has said he needs if he wants to play for them,  and it was up to the player to decide after his club accepted both offers, this was on all outlets, and he decided on  Everton.

Obviously the club thinks the   new player we've signed does has more to offer than Kebano and AK, is hoping he can score goals to keep us up.

I  reckon the club is pretty gutted not to get King  over the line, with Everton effectively hijacking our bid.

What other  goalscorers were out there for us to sign?

You are all missing the bigger picture here I think.... when we go down, as appears to be the  consensus of the slight majority on here TK gets to have first pick of the draft next season..... that's how it works doesn't it????? The same as the Jags.... ??🏈🇺🇲❤

I think the club wants us to stay up, and tried to sign a potential scorer, otherwise why bother?

Of course,  everyone at Fulham must be desperate  for the team to stay up, with all the costs, upheaval, job losses involved in going down, and there is certainly no guarantee that we will come straight back up, in fact, it probably unlikely.

Why invest so much  money in Fulham  to end up in the lower leagues with the shiniest, emptiest new stand ever seen there?

Unbelievable decisions being made by someone - and I very much doubt it is SP

So the new geezer gets crocked by Noble against West Ham and we turn to our reserve forwards ... Kebano and AK ?

Biggest load of rubbish since sacking Bobby Robson and flogging Rodney Marsh

Absolutely fuming with this joke of management by the owner's son

Quote from: ALG01 on February 02, 2021, 12:02:09 AM

Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 01, 2021, 11:56:50 PM

Quote from: ALG01 on February 01, 2021, 11:33:53 PM
Does TK think the squad is good enough?

Tony Khan knows the team will probably go down without EPL quality reinforcements this season.

Quote from: ALG01 on February 01, 2021, 11:33:53 PM
Or I could be missing something.

Tony Khan is spending all this season's remaining money on the amoritzating the book value of players not getting game time.

Tony Khan made the right decision to spend the money on "amortization overvalued players", rather than loaning in a "new striker". He has learnt that bringing in Babel and Nordveidt was a mistake when the money could have been better spent on bringing in Hector and Kongolo for the first half of the Championship season instead.

how do you know either of those things?
However you look at it, staying in the premiership is the most lucrative thing we could have done.
I think you are not correct in your analysis, and to be honest I am not sure I know what "amortization overvalued players' actually means. we kept poor players, some of whom are injured that will be little use in the championship if we do not get in quality forwards.
the ex fulham player that is hardly tearing up france, has been brought in on loan.
are you suggesting TK has thrown in the towel already, no interest in making a fight of it.
If so we honestly do not need hiom and his dad needs to take a deep breath and get rid.

If you don't know what "amortization overvalued players' actually means", then how can you say that Tony Khan has made a huge mistake by "amortization overvalued players" rather than bringing in a Striker.

FYI, "amortization overvalued players" is the DOF decreasing the "book value" of Seri from £10m to about £4m now.  The "book value" is the lesser of the cost of amortization remaining (i.e. £10m for Seri) or his actual resale value (Seri is worth around £4m or less).

In summary, "FFP amortization is how the big clubs", ensure that the small clubs keep their crap players and sell their good players every season. Tony Khan is not the problem, working within FFP makes it very hard to move from yo-yo club to 17th in the premier league.

Holding the core of this team together and improving with the players we have is the best long-term strategy. TK transfer window gets 10 out of 10 marks from me, as I don't want to see a sell-off in the summer.

Quote from: Baszab on February 02, 2021, 12:13:16 AM

Unbelievable decisions being made by someone - and I very much doubt it is SP

So the new geezer gets crocked by Noble against West Ham and we turn to our reserve forwards ... Kebano and AK ?

Biggest load of rubbish since sacking Bobby Robson and flogging Rodney Marsh

Absolutely fuming with this joke of management by the owner's son

Neither has hardly played this season, so no lost, and do you really think parker had no day as to what players left the club

Quote from: Nero on February 02, 2021, 12:39:36 AM

Quote from: Baszab on February 02, 2021, 12:13:16 AM

Unbelievable decisions being made by someone - and I very much doubt it is SP

So the new geezer gets crocked by Noble against West Ham and we turn to our reserve forwards ... Kebano and AK ?

Biggest load of rubbish since sacking Bobby Robson and flogging Rodney Marsh

Absolutely fuming with this joke of management by the owner's son

Neither has hardly played this season, so no lost, and do you really think parker had no day as to what players left the club

Exactly, they're not good enough anyway and never play. If Parker said they were gonna play they would have stayed

A very disappointing window, a very bad day for the club, and the outcome is that as it stands we could be worse off than we were before the Window opened.
The only ray of hope is that the new forward Maja can find the net more often than who we already have.
But seeing as we were the only club enquiring about him gives me cause for concern. Seeing as we will be playing against Newcastle with Calum Wilson leading the line, and Everton who now have Josh King in their ranks of forwards against us, either of them would have boosted our ranks up front. But instead they will both be playing against us, and if that was not enough we ended up amongst others losing the likes of Kebano and Kamara for the rest of the season. So that to me makes us worse off on the face of it.
Have I missed something here, somebody will need to explain that to me. No fault of Maja he could even do a half decent job but is it enough, I would not rely on it, so I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

Could not have wished for a better example of where our transfer strategy is at right now...

Went into the window needing a forward, preferably in time to play in one or more big six-pointers.

Totally disregarded the time sensitivity of this issue, and thought we could be smart by moving on the last day of the window.

Ultimately moved for the most obvious choice imaginable, but the deal fell through at the last minute when we were casually gazumped by a bigger club.

Managed to offload not one but two of our existing forwards.

Then brought in an relatively unproven, unimpressive Ligue 1 player on loan with an option to buy him at a criminally high price.

Beyond incompetence

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 02, 2021, 12:49:55 AM
I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

The Tony Khan effect.

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 02, 2021, 12:49:55 AM
A very disappointing window, a very bad day for the club, and the outcome is that as it stands we could be worse off than we were before the Window opened.
The only ray of hope is that the new forward Maja can find the net more often than who we already have.
But seeing as we were the only club enquiring about him gives me cause for concern. Seeing as we will be playing against Newcastle with Calum Wilson leading the line, and Everton who now have Josh King in their ranks of forwards against us, either of them would have boosted our ranks up front. But instead they will both be playing against us, and if that was not enough we ended up amongst others losing the likes of Kebano and Kamara for the rest of the season. So that to me makes us worse off on the face of it.
Have I missed something here, somebody will need to explain that to me. No fault of Maja he could even do a half decent job but is it enough, I would not rely on it, so I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

We have had a very good window to find the money to prepare for the Championship, writing off over valued players down to their correct value. Scott Parker's job is to build a squad that can get promoted and stay in the premier league, as we can now keep our players for next season he has more time to improve. Now, Scott Parker has 18 months to build a premier league unit, rather than buying a striker and expecting instant improvement from the team in one week, slow gradual continuous improvement without reinforcements is what Scott Parker needs to do.

Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 02, 2021, 01:03:58 AM

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 02, 2021, 12:49:55 AM
A very disappointing window, a very bad day for the club, and the outcome is that as it stands we could be worse off than we were before the Window opened.
The only ray of hope is that the new forward Maja can find the net more often than who we already have.
But seeing as we were the only club enquiring about him gives me cause for concern. Seeing as we will be playing against Newcastle with Calum Wilson leading the line, and Everton who now have Josh King in their ranks of forwards against us, either of them would have boosted our ranks up front. But instead they will both be playing against us, and if that was not enough we ended up amongst others losing the likes of Kebano and Kamara for the rest of the season. So that to me makes us worse off on the face of it.
Have I missed something here, somebody will need to explain that to me. No fault of Maja he could even do a half decent job but is it enough, I would not rely on it, so I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

We have had a very good window to find the money to prepare for the Championship, writing off over valued players down to their correct value. Scott Parker's job is to build a squad that can get promoted and stay in the premier league, as we can now keep our players for next season he has more time to improve. Now, Scott Parker has 18 months to build a premier league unit, rather than buying a striker and expecting instant improvement from the team in one week, slow gradual continuous improvement without reinforcements is what Scott Parker needs to do.

Perhaps it will work out even better, and TK's cunning moves in the last couple of years will lead to us spending not just 18 months, but many years outside the top flight, giving SP even longer to build a premier league unit. We're lucky to have a DOF with such a fantastic long-term vision, whilst other clubs' DOFs are making the schoolboy error of just avoiding relegation and staying in the PL.

Quote from: ALG01 on February 01, 2021, 11:56:40 PM

Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on February 01, 2021, 11:52:18 PM
We tried hard to get Josh King but he chose someone else. That's the way it goes.

How hard did we try do you think?
I suspect we didn't try at all but did a bit of PR to make it look like we tried.

We had a bid accepted and offered a three-and-a-half year contract.

So what do you imagine happened? That King wanted to sign for us, but we then told him our offer was just a publicity stunt and he'd have to go to Everton instead?

I was going to say no one can really believe such an extreme possibility over the likelihood King simply chose Everton ahead of us.

But, yes, you probably do.

Quote from: Statto on February 02, 2021, 12:52:55 AM
Could not have wished for a better example of where our transfer strategy is at right now...

Went into the window needing a forward, preferably in time to play in one of more big six-pointers.

Totally disregarded the time sensitivity of this issue, and thought we could be smart by moving on the last day of the window.

Ultimately moved for the most obvious choice imaginable, but the deal fell through at the last minute when we were casually gazumped by a bigger club.

Managed to offload not one but two of our existing forwards.

Then brought in an relatively unproven, unimpressive Ligue 1 player on loan with an option to buy him at a criminally high price.

Beyond incompetence

sums up my thoughts exactly

Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 02, 2021, 01:03:58 AM

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 02, 2021, 12:49:55 AM
A very disappointing window, a very bad day for the club, and the outcome is that as it stands we could be worse off than we were before the Window opened.
The only ray of hope is that the new forward Maja can find the net more often than who we already have.
But seeing as we were the only club enquiring about him gives me cause for concern. Seeing as we will be playing against Newcastle with Calum Wilson leading the line, and Everton who now have Josh King in their ranks of forwards against us, either of them would have boosted our ranks up front. But instead they will both be playing against us, and if that was not enough we ended up amongst others losing the likes of Kebano and Kamara for the rest of the season. So that to me makes us worse off on the face of it.
Have I missed something here, somebody will need to explain that to me. No fault of Maja he could even do a half decent job but is it enough, I would not rely on it, so I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

We have had a very good window to find the money to prepare for the Championship, writing off over valued players down to their correct value. Scott Parker's job is to build a squad that can get promoted and stay in the premier league, as we can now keep our players for next season he has more time to improve. Now, Scott Parker has 18 months to build a premier league unit, rather than one week, slow gradual continuous improvement is what Scott Parker needs to do, as he has done so far.

Rational Fan, I said to myself I bet a pound to a penny you would be responding to my post before I could finish my large pint of Youngs Best Bitter, and low and behold you did not let me down, good man.
However, after gathering some information and a little research I have deduced that you are Tony Kahn in disguise as The Rational Fan, you have to be him because nobody would be that misled to defend him, not even The Rational Fan. So you've been sussed and I have felt your collar and it's a fair cop guv.
So it's back to the men in tights pretending to wrestle each other, two falls two submissions or a knockout, which is what I feel you have done to Fulham Football Club in this transfer window.

Quote from: ALG01 on February 01, 2021, 11:33:53 PM
no effort was attempted to bring in a recognised striker in this window.
Does TK think the squad is good enough?
are his other interests obscuring his vision
even for a rank anateur this is very poor
if he were not his father's son he would surely be shown the door.

or i could be missing something. when he said we were a yoyo club maybe he meant hae had it in mind to sabotage the season by not allowing us the privelidge of a foward line worthy of the name. he is surely taking all the fun out of it in a way I have not felt since the loathsome ian branfoot was manager.

Didn't we try to get two...got one?

Fullerton lost out to Everton.   Happens.

It's like there's no discussion anymore. It's basically if you are anti-TK, you are going to build your narrative about it - no matter what. If you're pro-TK, you're going to do the same.

This is why I choose the player's side in these situations because it's not biased, and not built on an agenda to improving only our club.

From everyone's honest perspective here. If you are a player that is most likely going to leave a club, are you going to wait for the best deal possible - or going to pounce as soon as the right club, right contract, and right playing time are in for you?

Guess what? Fulham is not your destination.

We're bottom of the table, we already have a striker, we have supporters that hate our DOF, and we have a DOF that has a side business.

Those are the facts. So don't give me this business about starting it earlier in the window. Make an offer that can't be refused, so it better be very high contract amount and playing time that can't be challenged. Does not exist, and any DOF doing that would upset the supporters even more. Especially with a track record like Fulham in overspending.

So, the player waits till deadline day. Multiple clubs come in, even at the last minute, sweetening their deals. Some of them aren't at the bottom of the table, have better supporter-DOF interaction and better DOF overall. What do you as a player sacrifice to make it happen? Playing time, contract amount or something else?

The options get more and more limited, and a decision has to be made. Fulham is not a high priority no matter what we want to believe or want to fabricate.

Those who join us when we are in the predicament we are in should be applauded. They know what they're getting into. We're in a relegation battle, and you're fighting to start - then fighting the pressure to perform. As supporters our track record is laughing at those who attempted this feat. From Nordtveit to Markovic, these players committed to us the last time we were up - and we paid them no mind when the season was over. Will it be the same for Maja? Who knows. What I do know is that I respect the player for taking a chance on our club, full well knowing what the facts are.

Quote from: Statto on February 02, 2021, 01:11:04 AM

Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 02, 2021, 01:03:58 AM

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 02, 2021, 12:49:55 AM
A very disappointing window, a very bad day for the club, and the outcome is that as it stands we could be worse off than we were before the Window opened.
The only ray of hope is that the new forward Maja can find the net more often than who we already have.
But seeing as we were the only club enquiring about him gives me cause for concern. Seeing as we will be playing against Newcastle with Calum Wilson leading the line, and Everton who now have Josh King in their ranks of forwards against us, either of them would have boosted our ranks up front. But instead they will both be playing against us, and if that was not enough we ended up amongst others losing the likes of Kebano and Kamara for the rest of the season. So that to me makes us worse off on the face of it.
Have I missed something here, somebody will need to explain that to me. No fault of Maja he could even do a half decent job but is it enough, I would not rely on it, so I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

We have had a very good window to find the money to prepare for the Championship, writing off over valued players down to their correct value. Scott Parker's job is to build a squad that can get promoted and stay in the premier league, as we can now keep our players for next season he has more time to improve. Now, Scott Parker has 18 months to build a premier league unit, rather than buying a striker and expecting instant improvement from the team in one week, slow gradual continuous improvement without reinforcements is what Scott Parker needs to do.

Perhaps it will work out even better, and TK's cunning moves in the last couple of years will lead to us spending not just 18 months, but many years outside the top flight, giving SP even longer to build a premier league unit. We're lucky to have a DOF with such a fantastic long-term vision, whilst other clubs' DOFs are making the schoolboy error of just avoiding relegation and staying in the PL.

True, it is a schoolboy error to spend big to stay up, when often under FFP rules spending big to keep a PL team (like Norwich) together in the Championship is better. And, Fulham's current team is better than Norwich.

Quote from: Matt10 on February 02, 2021, 01:58:36 AM
It's like there's no discussion anymore. It's basically if you are anti-TK, you are going to build your narrative about it - no matter what. If you're pro-TK, you're going to do the same.

This is why I choose the player's side in these situations because it's not biased, and not built on an agenda to improving only our club.

From everyone's honest perspective here. If you are a player that is most likely going to leave a club, are you going to wait for the best deal possible - or going to pounce as soon as the right club, right contract, and right playing time are in for you?

Guess what? Fulham is not your destination.

We're bottom of the table, we already have a striker, we have supporters that hate our DOF, and we have a DOF that has a side business.

Those are the facts. So don't give me this business about starting it earlier in the window. Make an offer that can't be refused, so it better be very high contract amount and playing time that can't be challenged. Does not exist, and any DOF doing that would upset the supporters even more. Especially with a track record like Fulham in overspending.

So, the player waits till deadline day. Multiple clubs come in, even at the last minute, sweetening their deals. Some of them aren't at the bottom of the table, have better supporter-DOF interaction and better DOF overall. What do you as a player sacrifice to make it happen? Playing time, contract amount or something else?

The options get more and more limited, and a decision has to be made. Fulham is not a high priority no matter what we want to believe or want to fabricate.

Those who join us when we are in the predicament we are in should be applauded. They know what they're getting into. We're in a relegation battle, and you're fighting to start - then fighting the pressure to perform. As supporters our track record is laughing at those who attempted this feat. From Nordtveit to Markovic, these players committed to us the last time we were up - and we paid them no mind when the season was over. Will it be the same for Maja? Who knows. What I do know is that I respect the player for taking a chance on our club, full well knowing what the facts are.

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The anti-TK sentiment is strong right now, but doing what I put in bold got us stuck with Seri...and now we can't get him off our books.

Can't hate TK because Josh King chose Everton over Fulham.   Hell, I'd choose Everton over Fulham. 

I also don't hate him because this was late in the transfer window.   Josh King has proven HE wants to wait until all offers are in before he makes a decision.

It is what it is.  Players and their agents are waiting for better deals from better clubs.   Those that aren't, probably aren't EPL quality to begin with.

Fulham are a top tier championship side/lower tier...trying to get back... EPL side.

If we stay up, I'll be elated...but if we go back down...the sky isn't falling.    I don't see any resemblance to Fulham and...say Sunderland.

Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 02, 2021, 02:03:06 AM

Quote from: Statto on February 02, 2021, 01:11:04 AM

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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 02, 2021, 12:49:55 AM
A very disappointing window, a very bad day for the club, and the outcome is that as it stands we could be worse off than we were before the Window opened.
The only ray of hope is that the new forward Maja can find the net more often than who we already have.
But seeing as we were the only club enquiring about him gives me cause for concern. Seeing as we will be playing against Newcastle with Calum Wilson leading the line, and Everton who now have Josh King in their ranks of forwards against us, either of them would have boosted our ranks up front. But instead they will both be playing against us, and if that was not enough we ended up amongst others losing the likes of Kebano and Kamara for the rest of the season. So that to me makes us worse off on the face of it.
Have I missed something here, somebody will need to explain that to me. No fault of Maja he could even do a half decent job but is it enough, I would not rely on it, so I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

We have had a very good window to find the money to prepare for the Championship, writing off over valued players down to their correct value. Scott Parker's job is to build a squad that can get promoted and stay in the premier league, as we can now keep our players for next season he has more time to improve. Now, Scott Parker has 18 months to build a premier league unit, rather than buying a striker and expecting instant improvement from the team in one week, slow gradual continuous improvement without reinforcements is what Scott Parker needs to do.

Perhaps it will work out even better, and TK's cunning moves in the last couple of years will lead to us spending not just 18 months, but many years outside the top flight, giving SP even longer to build a premier league unit. We're lucky to have a DOF with such a fantastic long-term vision, whilst other clubs' DOFs are making the schoolboy error of just avoiding relegation and staying in the PL.

WBA is making the schoolboy error of throwing their money away trying to avoid relegation. Of course, it might work, but more likely it won't work and they will have to cut the budget next season.

If Tony Khan can give Scott Parker the almost identical team as last season (with Hector, Kongolo, Robinson, and Josh Majo all season, Tete instead of Christie, Tosin instead of Ream, and Lemina instead of Arter), then isn't it far to say that Tony Khan has given Scott Parker the squad to get promoted, and if we don't Parker is to Blame.

Lemima definitely won't be here next season. Are you mad?

I also doubt Maja will. Option price is £10m apparently.

Anyway, maybe West Brom's attempt to stay up won't work. But did it cross your mind that maybe in the 2021/22 play-off final we won't be gifted a goal by an out of position keeper, and maybe our attempt to come back up won't work either?

Quote from: Matt10 on February 02, 2021, 01:58:36 AM
It's like there's no discussion anymore. It's basically if you are anti-TK, you are going to build your narrative about it - no matter what. If you're pro-TK, you're going to do the same.

This is why I choose the player's side in these situations because it's not biased, and not built on an agenda to improving only our club.

From everyone's honest perspective here. If you are a player that is most likely going to leave a club, are you going to wait for the best deal possible - or going to pounce as soon as the right club, right contract, and right playing time are in for you?

Guess what? Fulham is not your destination.

We're bottom of the table, we already have a striker, we have supporters that hate our DOF, and we have a DOF that has a side business.

Those are the facts. So don't give me this business about starting it earlier in the window. Make an offer that can't be refused, so it better be very high contract amount and playing time that can't be challenged. Does not exist, and any DOF doing that would upset the supporters even more. Especially with a track record like Fulham in overspending.

So, the player waits till deadline day. Multiple clubs come in, even at the last minute, sweetening their deals. Some of them aren't at the bottom of the table, have better supporter-DOF interaction and better DOF overall. What do you as a player sacrifice to make it happen? Playing time, contract amount or something else?

The options get more and more limited, and a decision has to be made. Fulham is not a high priority no matter what we want to believe or want to fabricate.

Those who join us when we are in the predicament we are in should be applauded. They know what they're getting into. We're in a relegation battle, and you're fighting to start - then fighting the pressure to perform. As supporters our track record is laughing at those who attempted this feat. From Nordtveit to Markovic, these players committed to us the last time we were up - and we paid them no mind when the season was over. Will it be the same for Maja? Who knows. What I do know is that I respect the player for taking a chance on our club, full well knowing what the facts are.

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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 02, 2021, 12:49:55 AM
A very disappointing window, a very bad day for the club, and the outcome is that as it stands we could be worse off than we were before the Window opened.
The only ray of hope is that the new forward Maja can find the net more often than who we already have.
But seeing as we were the only club enquiring about him gives me cause for concern. Seeing as we will be playing against Newcastle with Calum Wilson leading the line, and Everton who now have Josh King in their ranks of forwards against us, either of them would have boosted our ranks up front. But instead they will both be playing against us, and if that was not enough we ended up amongst others losing the likes of Kebano and Kamara for the rest of the season. So that to me makes us worse off on the face of it.
Have I missed something here, somebody will need to explain that to me. No fault of Maja he could even do a half decent job but is it enough, I would not rely on it, so I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

We have had a very good window to find the money to prepare for the Championship, writing off over valued players down to their correct value. Scott Parker's job is to build a squad that can get promoted and stay in the premier league, as we can now keep our players for next season he has more time to improve. Now, Scott Parker has 18 months to build a premier league unit, rather than buying a striker and expecting instant improvement from the team in one week, slow gradual continuous improvement without reinforcements is what Scott Parker needs to do.

Perhaps it will work out even better, and TK's cunning moves in the last couple of years will lead to us spending not just 18 months, but many years outside the top flight, giving SP even longer to build a premier league unit. We're lucky to have a DOF with such a fantastic long-term vision, whilst other clubs' DOFs are making the schoolboy error of just avoiding relegation and staying in the PL.

WBA is making the schoolboy error of throwing their money away trying to avoid relegation. Of course, it might work, but more likely it won't work and they will have to cut the budget next season.

If Tony Khan can give Scott Parker the almost identical team as last season (with Hector, Kongolo, Robinson, and Josh Majo all season, Tete instead of Christie, Tosin instead of Ream, and Lemina instead of Arter), then isn't it far to say that Tony Khan has given Scott Parker the squad to get promoted, and if we don't Parker is to Blame.

Lemima definitely won't be here next season. Are you mad?

I also doubt Maja will. Option price is £10m apparently.

Anyway, maybe West Brom's attempt to stay up won't work. But did it cross your mind that maybe in the 2021/22 play-off final we won't be gifted a goal by an out of position keeper, and maybe our attempt to come back up won't work either?

True, we need a championship squad that scores twice as many goals as it concedes so that we avoid the playoffs. I think Rodak; Tete, Hector, Tosin, Robinson; Reed, Cairney, Onamah; Reid, Mitro, Cav, and a good squad can do that.

I'm very happy WBA has spent big; because they will be selling like crazy if they go down and so luckly for us they won't get an automatic promotion place. Sheffield United haven't spent and still in a strong position for auto-promote.

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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 02, 2021, 12:49:55 AM
A very disappointing window, a very bad day for the club, and the outcome is that as it stands we could be worse off than we were before the Window opened.
The only ray of hope is that the new forward Maja can find the net more often than who we already have.
But seeing as we were the only club enquiring about him gives me cause for concern. Seeing as we will be playing against Newcastle with Calum Wilson leading the line, and Everton who now have Josh King in their ranks of forwards against us, either of them would have boosted our ranks up front. But instead they will both be playing against us, and if that was not enough we ended up amongst others losing the likes of Kebano and Kamara for the rest of the season. So that to me makes us worse off on the face of it.
Have I missed something here, somebody will need to explain that to me. No fault of Maja he could even do a half decent job but is it enough, I would not rely on it, so I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

We have had a very good window to find the money to prepare for the Championship, writing off over valued players down to their correct value. Scott Parker's job is to build a squad that can get promoted and stay in the premier league, as we can now keep our players for next season he has more time to improve. Now, Scott Parker has 18 months to build a premier league unit, rather than buying a striker and expecting instant improvement from the team in one week, slow gradual continuous improvement without reinforcements is what Scott Parker needs to do.

Perhaps it will work out even better, and TK's cunning moves in the last couple of years will lead to us spending not just 18 months, but many years outside the top flight, giving SP even longer to build a premier league unit. We're lucky to have a DOF with such a fantastic long-term vision, whilst other clubs' DOFs are making the schoolboy error of just avoiding relegation and staying in the PL.

WBA is making the schoolboy error of throwing their money away trying to avoid relegation. Of course, it might work, but more likely it won't work and they will have to cut the budget next season.

If Tony Khan can give Scott Parker the almost identical team as last season (with Hector, Kongolo, Robinson, and Josh Majo all season, Tete instead of Christie, Tosin instead of Ream, and Lemina instead of Arter), then isn't it far to say that Tony Khan has given Scott Parker the squad to get promoted, and if we don't Parker is to Blame.

Lemima definitely won't be here next season. Are you mad?

I also doubt Maja will. Option price is £10m apparently.

Anyway, maybe West Brom's attempt to stay up won't work. But did it cross your mind that maybe in the 2021/22 play-off final we won't be gifted a goal by an out of position keeper, and maybe our attempt to come back up won't work either?

True, we need a championship squad that scores twice as many goals as it concedes so that we avoid the playoffs. I think Rodak; Tete, Hector, Tosin, Robinson; Reed, Cairney, Onamah; Reid, Mitro, Cav, and a good squad can do that.

Agreed.   That side is better than our playoff side.  I also think we'll buy Maja.

If anyone on here thinks we will be keeping the same squad if we go down then just dream on.We are totally reliant at the moment on our GK, Anderson, Anguissa and  Lemina.They are a good spine.But all will depart. Tosin too I expect, and Robinson possibly as well, as he looks excellent.

We needed a striker in September/October basically, but in preparing the squad last summer Parker failed to spot that we would.It was compounded by playing such a negative line up.We have struggled to put games to bed for over a year now.

The failure to bring in even one tested and tried goal scorer has left us staring at a long run of defeats, and then a decimation of the squad again.All teams around us are improving.We have peaked.

We have said all along we stay as we are,but we were bluffing, we tried and showed our desperate hand, we have traduced our reputtation and morale. Desperately poor.

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If anyone on here thinks we will be keeping the same squad if we go down then just dream on.We are totally reliant at the moment on our GK, Anderson, Anguissa and  Lemina.They are a good spine.But all will depart. Tosin too I expect, and Robinson possibly as well, as he looks excellent.

We needed a striker in September/October basically, but in preparing the squad last summer Parker failed to spot that we would.It was compounded by playing such a negative line up.We have struggled to put games to bed for over a year now.

The failure to bring in even one tested and tried goal scorer has left us staring at a long run of defeats, and then a decimation of the squad again.All teams around us are improving.We have peaked.

We have said all along we stay as we are,but we were bluffing, we tried and showed our desperate hand, we have traduced our reputtation and morale. Desperately poor.

Tony Khan has planned to get relegated and keep the squad together. Contracted players, like Anguissa, will be staying at the club, unless they get a very big transfer fee. If Anguissa gets a very big transfer fee, Tony Khan can reinforce in several positions on deadline day, hopefully we get the right mix of players staying and reinforcements. As for Tosin and Robinson, I believe TK wants to get promoted with quality EPL defenders that know each other.

Quote from: Matt10 on February 02, 2021, 01:58:36 AM
It's like there's no discussion anymore. It's basically if you are anti-TK, you are going to build your narrative about it - no matter what. If you're pro-TK, you're going to do the same.

I'm unsure there are too many on here who rate Tony Khan as highly as a good number of those who are anti-Tony Khan rate him little or not at all.

I am not without reservations as to whether Tony Khan is striking an acceptable balance between financial prudence and success on the football field, but I find the analysis of some on here to be so driven towards apportioning as much blame as possible upon our DoF that I take what is, ostensibly, a pro-T.K. stance to try to ensure he is given a 'fair hearing'. It wouldn't surprise me if there were others who do the same.

The reason there is so little discussion, in my opinion, is that the arguments have been gone over time and again. Transfer windows come and go and yet the content of threads about our DoF is easily predictable, however well or badly the window may have gone.

Reading this thread has convinced me that TK is an idiot. Rather than trying to find a striker or reducing the payroll by jettisoning deadwood, he should come on to these threads and get the really great minds of football to solve all of Fulham problems. If you doubt me, just look at how much some on here know about the inner workings of the club and all the moves that TC has made. They are not only great footballing brains they are clairvoyant as well. Look at all the teams that picked up great strikers for a pittance. Oh, wait.............

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It's like there's no discussion anymore. It's basically if you are anti-TK, you are going to build your narrative about it - no matter what. If you're pro-TK, you're going to do the same.

I'm unsure there are too many on here who rate Tony Khan as highly as a good number of those who are anti-Tony Khan rate him little or not at all.

I am not without reservations as to whether Tony Khan is striking an acceptable balance between financial prudence and success on the football field, but I find the analysis of some on here to be so driven towards apportioning as much blame as possible upon our DoF that I take what is, ostensibly, a pro-T.K. stance to try to ensure he is given a 'fair hearing'. It wouldn't surprise me if there were others who do the same.

The reason there is so little discussion, in my opinion, is that the arguments have been gone over time and again. Transfer windows come and go and yet the content of threads about our DoF is easily predictable, however well or badly the window may have gone.

In two past seasons, we have moved up the table one place (from 19th to 18th), I would be extremely happy if Tony Khan can repeat that effort and move us up one more place (from 18th to 17th) on the premier league over the next two years.

Tony Khan has outperformed the DOFs of Watford, Bournemouth and Cardiff;  while only Aston Villa and Leeds have gone past us. Slow progress, but TK is heading in the right direction.

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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 02, 2021, 12:49:55 AM
A very disappointing window, a very bad day for the club, and the outcome is that as it stands we could be worse off than we were before the Window opened.
The only ray of hope is that the new forward Maja can find the net more often than who we already have.
But seeing as we were the only club enquiring about him gives me cause for concern. Seeing as we will be playing against Newcastle with Calum Wilson leading the line, and Everton who now have Josh King in their ranks of forwards against us, either of them would have boosted our ranks up front. But instead they will both be playing against us, and if that was not enough we ended up amongst others losing the likes of Kebano and Kamara for the rest of the season. So that to me makes us worse off on the face of it.
Have I missed something here, somebody will need to explain that to me. No fault of Maja he could even do a half decent job but is it enough, I would not rely on it, so I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 02, 2021, 12:49:55 AM
A very disappointing window, a very bad day for the club, and the outcome is that as it stands we could be worse off than we were before the Window opened.
The only ray of hope is that the new forward Maja can find the net more often than who we already have.
But seeing as we were the only club enquiring about him gives me cause for concern. Seeing as we will be playing against Newcastle with Calum Wilson leading the line, and Everton who now have Josh King in their ranks of forwards against us, either of them would have boosted our ranks up front. But instead they will both be playing against us, and if that was not enough we ended up amongst others losing the likes of Kebano and Kamara for the rest of the season. So that to me makes us worse off on the face of it.
Have I missed something here, somebody will need to explain that to me. No fault of Maja he could even do a half decent job but is it enough, I would not rely on it, so I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

We have had a very good window to find the money to prepare for the Championship, writing off over valued players down to their correct value. Scott Parker's job is to build a squad that can get promoted and stay in the premier league, as we can now keep our players for next season he has more time to improve. Now, Scott Parker has 18 months to build a premier league unit, rather than buying a striker and expecting instant improvement from the team in one week, slow gradual continuous improvement without reinforcements is what Scott Parker needs to do.

Perhaps it will work out even better, and TK's cunning moves in the last couple of years will lead to us spending not just 18 months, but many years outside the top flight, giving SP even longer to build a premier league unit. We're lucky to have a DOF with such a fantastic long-term vision, whilst other clubs' DOFs are making the schoolboy error of just avoiding relegation and staying in the PL.

True, it is a schoolboy error to spend big to stay up, when often under FFP rules spending big to keep a PL team (like Norwich) together in the Championship is better. And, Fulham's current team is better than Norwich.

We have had a very good window to find the money to prepare for the Championship, writing off over valued players down to their correct value. Scott Parker's job is to build a squad that can get promoted and stay in the premier league, as we can now keep our players for next season he has more time to improve. Now, Scott Parker has 18 months to build a premier league unit, rather than buying a striker and expecting instant improvement from the team in one week, slow gradual continuous improvement without reinforcements is what Scott Parker needs to do.

Perhaps it will work out even better, and TK's cunning moves in the last couple of years will lead to us spending not just 18 months, but many years outside the top flight, giving SP even longer to build a premier league unit. We're lucky to have a DOF with such a fantastic long-term vision, whilst other clubs' DOFs are making the schoolboy error of just avoiding relegation and staying in the PL.

True, it is a schoolboy error to spend big to stay up, when often under FFP rules spending big to keep a PL team (like Norwich) together in the Championship is better. And, Fulham's current team is better than Norwich.

By the time you take out the members of the squad that won't be here next season (Areola, Lookman, Lemina, RLC, Andersen, Anguissa) and perhaps the likes of Tosin, Robinson, Tete & Maja won't be around there is no chance in hell that our team next season in the Championship will be as good as Norwich.

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Unbelievable decisions being made by someone - and I very much doubt it is SP

So the new geezer gets crocked by Noble against West Ham and we turn to our reserve forwards ... Kebano and AK ?

Biggest load of rubbish since sacking Bobby Robson and flogging Rodney Marsh

Absolutely fuming with this joke of management by the owner's son

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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 02, 2021, 12:49:55 AM
A very disappointing window, a very bad day for the club, and the outcome is that as it stands we could be worse off than we were before the Window opened.
The only ray of hope is that the new forward Maja can find the net more often than who we already have.
But seeing as we were the only club enquiring about him gives me cause for concern. Seeing as we will be playing against Newcastle with Calum Wilson leading the line, and Everton who now have Josh King in their ranks of forwards against us, either of them would have boosted our ranks up front. But instead they will both be playing against us, and if that was not enough we ended up amongst others losing the likes of Kebano and Kamara for the rest of the season. So that to me makes us worse off on the face of it.
Have I missed something here, somebody will need to explain that to me. No fault of Maja he could even do a half decent job but is it enough, I would not rely on it, so I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 02, 2021, 12:49:55 AM
A very disappointing window, a very bad day for the club, and the outcome is that as it stands we could be worse off than we were before the Window opened.
The only ray of hope is that the new forward Maja can find the net more often than who we already have.
But seeing as we were the only club enquiring about him gives me cause for concern. Seeing as we will be playing against Newcastle with Calum Wilson leading the line, and Everton who now have Josh King in their ranks of forwards against us, either of them would have boosted our ranks up front. But instead they will both be playing against us, and if that was not enough we ended up amongst others losing the likes of Kebano and Kamara for the rest of the season. So that to me makes us worse off on the face of it.
Have I missed something here, somebody will need to explain that to me. No fault of Maja he could even do a half decent job but is it enough, I would not rely on it, so I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

We have had a very good window to find the money to prepare for the Championship, writing off over valued players down to their correct value. Scott Parker's job is to build a squad that can get promoted and stay in the premier league, as we can now keep our players for next season he has more time to improve. Now, Scott Parker has 18 months to build a premier league unit, rather than buying a striker and expecting instant improvement from the team in one week, slow gradual continuous improvement without reinforcements is what Scott Parker needs to do.

Perhaps it will work out even better, and TK's cunning moves in the last couple of years will lead to us spending not just 18 months, but many years outside the top flight, giving SP even longer to build a premier league unit. We're lucky to have a DOF with such a fantastic long-term vision, whilst other clubs' DOFs are making the schoolboy error of just avoiding relegation and staying in the PL.

True, it is a schoolboy error to spend big to stay up, when often under FFP rules spending big to keep a PL team (like Norwich) together in the Championship is better. And, Fulham's current team is better than Norwich.

We have had a very good window to find the money to prepare for the Championship, writing off over valued players down to their correct value. Scott Parker's job is to build a squad that can get promoted and stay in the premier league, as we can now keep our players for next season he has more time to improve. Now, Scott Parker has 18 months to build a premier league unit, rather than buying a striker and expecting instant improvement from the team in one week, slow gradual continuous improvement without reinforcements is what Scott Parker needs to do.

Perhaps it will work out even better, and TK's cunning moves in the last couple of years will lead to us spending not just 18 months, but many years outside the top flight, giving SP even longer to build a premier league unit. We're lucky to have a DOF with such a fantastic long-term vision, whilst other clubs' DOFs are making the schoolboy error of just avoiding relegation and staying in the PL.

True, it is a schoolboy error to spend big to stay up, when often under FFP rules spending big to keep a PL team (like Norwich) together in the Championship is better. And, Fulham's current team is better than Norwich.

By the time you take out the members of the squad that won't be here next season (Areola, Lookman, Lemina, RLC, Andersen, Anguissa) and perhaps the likes of Tosin, Robinson, Tete & Maja won't be around there is no chance in hell that our team next season in the Championship will be as good as Norwich.

You can make all the assumptions you want about Tete, Tosin and Robinson will be going once this season is over...but it's nothing more than an assumption fueled by a dislike for the DofF (who signed those players to begin with).

They are under contract next season.

Did Mitro and Tom Cairney leave for different opportunities? No... because the like playing for Fulham. Some thought they would be too big to stay.  Surprise.. surprise... They are still here.

Go figure.

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Also championship planning - AK needs minutes to get better if he is potentially going to help us next year in our promotion push (or if we get some ££ in return if we stay up)
Same for Kebano, rather than waste a year on the bench now he is ready and used to the level for next year - if we stay up it's the best way of putting him in the shop window.

Also if Mitro & another striker gets injured we are going down anyway so might as well give the you g lads a chance to proof themselves and show they are ready for next year.

Clever planning for relegation, not a last hurray on giving staying up a go, but more of a 'plan for the worst, hope for the best' approach

Listening to the interview with TK he proved beyond doubt that he knows more about how transfers, FFP restrictions & Club management works in his little finger than the usual TK haters know all together.
If they don´t like it put up the money to buy out the Khans or shut up & get behind the whole Club from top to bottom.

Quote from: grandad on February 02, 2021, 08:54:57 AM
Listening to the interview with TK he proved beyond doubt that he knows more about how transfers, FFP restrictions & Club management works in his little finger than the usual TK haters know all together.
If they don´t like it put up the money to buy out the Khans or shut up & get behind the whole Club from top to bottom.

That made me think.... should they have done an action like Galatasaray with the text message for Ozil salary - as in text cost £2 and Tony will get you a striker - a bit left field but if we are so close to FFP I think I would have texted a couple of times

Does anyone think he is not interested in filling the Riverside.To do this needs Prem status.Think they are doing a reasonable job under Covid and FFP restrictions.We hav e an uphill task but we haven't been relegated yet.

We can't say how much effort was put in, but clearly we are still hamstrung by the £100m splurge a few years ago which leaves us with little money to work with. West Brom didn't have that problem and had spent very little when they came up.

Even so, the bottom line is we didn't get the big striker we wanted and are relying on someone with very little experience to step up, which is very disappointing. Maja is apparently a good finisher so could be a useful impact sub, doesn't sound like he's good enough to usurp any of the starters.

Give the lad a a chance - he may be the new Saha.

He is young, and  could be a better acquisition than King, and his goals could  help save us, working alongside Mitro.

At least we managed to get a striker in - a decent one at least.

Quote from: ALG01 on February 01, 2021, 11:33:53 PM
no effort was attempted to bring in a recognised striker in this window.
Does TK think the squad is good enough?
are his other interests obscuring his vision
even for a rank anateur this is very poor
if he were not his father's son he would surely be shown the door.

or i could be missing something. when he said we were a yoyo club maybe he meant hae had it in mind to sabotage the season by not allowing us the privelidge of a foward line worthy of the name. he is surely taking all the fun out of it in a way I have not felt since the loathsome ian branfoot was manager.

That's patently not true.  It's just what you want to be the truth.

Quote from: Jeroen on February 02, 2021, 08:39:17 AM
Also championship planning - AK needs minutes to get better if he is potentially going to help us next year in our promotion push (or if we get some ££ in return if we stay up)
Same for Kebano, rather than waste a year on the bench now he is ready and used to the level for next year - if we stay up it's the best way of putting him in the shop window.

Also if Mitro & another striker gets injured we are going down anyway so might as well give the you g lads a chance to proof themselves and show they are ready for next year.

Clever planning for relegation, not a last hurray on giving staying up a go, but more of a 'plan for the worst, hope for the best' approach

Completely agree, rather they get regular game time in the division we might need them to play in next year. If we survive then they have earned opportunity to show their worth to other teams and we can sell them. I think Maja makes more sense for the same logic as King already refused to play in the Championship for Bournemouth. The reality is we may or may not survive in the Prem so prudence directs us to be prepared for either outcome and TK seems to have done that well with mix of loans and options to buy if we stay up while buying good value young longer term options that work in either division.

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Quote from: ALG01 on February 01, 2021, 11:33:53 PM
no effort was attempted to bring in a recognised striker in this window.
Does TK think the squad is good enough?
are his other interests obscuring his vision
even for a rank anateur this is very poor
if he were not his father's son he would surely be shown the door.

or i could be missing something. when he said we were a yoyo club maybe he meant hae had it in mind to sabotage the season by not allowing us the privelidge of a foward line worthy of the name. he is surely taking all the fun out of it in a way I have not felt since the loathsome ian branfoot was manager.

That's patently not true.  It's just what you want to be the truth.

Yes Rigg who was supposed to be the man did really well didn't he?

Can't fault TK transfer business this season imo a great combo of trying to stay in prem balanced with the reality if knowing you may be playing championship football next season. Also glad he is giving Scott a fair crack of the whip. Let's hope it pays off and this team can go on a run and give us a chance going into the final stages.....

Why do we always 'suspect' negatively......about something we have no insight into whatsoever.
Cup half empty for a lot on here  :016:

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Quote from: clarkey on February 02, 2021, 05:04:31 AM
If anyone on here thinks we will be keeping the same squad if we go down then just dream on.We are totally reliant at the moment on our GK, Anderson, Anguissa and  Lemina.They are a good spine.But all will depart. Tosin too I expect, and Robinson possibly as well, as he looks excellent.

We needed a striker in September/October basically, but in preparing the squad last summer Parker failed to spot that we would.It was compounded by playing such a negative line up.We have struggled to put games to bed for over a year now.

The failure to bring in even one tested and tried goal scorer has left us staring at a long run of defeats, and then a decimation of the squad again.All teams around us are improving.We have peaked.

We have said all along we stay as we are,but we were bluffing, we tried and showed our desperate hand, we have traduced our reputtation and morale. Desperately poor.

Tony Khan has planned to get relegated and keep the squad together. Contracted players, like Anguissa, will be staying at the club, unless they get a very big transfer fee. If Anguissa gets a very big transfer fee, Tony Khan can reinforce in several positions on deadline day, hopefully we get the right mix of players staying and reinforcements. As for Tosin and Robinson, I believe TK wants to get promoted with quality EPL defenders that know each other.

Hi Tony, so you finally admit you "had planned to get relegated...". That says it all.

Some amazing stuff by people,who have no idea how FFP works, (including me) or refuse to believe what they are told.  First of all many said how crazy it was to have players on the payroll who are not in the 25 man squad.  Many believe Kamara and Kebano are not good enough at this level, now are fed up they have been let go.  Lots of people dissapointed about not getting King who would have been on a lot of money and looked bang average in the Championship let alone Premier League.

What do you want ?  The club to spend big like last time and suffer for it yet again ?  TK admits that was a mistake because I imagine we are still paying the price.  That said it was not all waisted as Mitro got us backup and Anguissa may help us stay up this time.  Both these players are assets that would bring in serious money if sold.  The big cock up was Seri but at the time, most pundits and many fans thought it was a massive coo brining in a player so highly rated.

You can stamp you feet all you like by we have sorted the defence, got the squad size down as required and bought in a striker who may be a success.  Losing the players sent out on loan does not hurt us and they will return and be potentially part of next seasons squad if we want or need them.

Knowing all the FFP details would be most helpful to allow for better debate, in the meantime many seem to just take a position without knowing many of the behind the scenes facts.  I guess that's what these forums are for but it has got a bit like politics, you chose your party, then just keep arguing for your side.

I've given up with TK and his dad!

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Yeah - it's a disgrace to have a billionaire owner.  Just a burden we have to bear, I guess.

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A very disappointing window, a very bad day for the club, and the outcome is that as it stands we could be worse off than we were before the Window opened.
The only ray of hope is that the new forward Maja can find the net more often than who we already have.
But seeing as we were the only club enquiring about him gives me cause for concern. Seeing as we will be playing against Newcastle with Calum Wilson leading the line, and Everton who now have Josh King in their ranks of forwards against us, either of them would have boosted our ranks up front. But instead they will both be playing against us, and if that was not enough we ended up amongst others losing the likes of Kebano and Kamara for the rest of the season. So that to me makes us worse off on the face of it.
Have I missed something here, somebody will need to explain that to me. No fault of Maja he could even do a half decent job but is it enough, I would not rely on it, so I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

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A very disappointing window, a very bad day for the club, and the outcome is that as it stands we could be worse off than we were before the Window opened.
The only ray of hope is that the new forward Maja can find the net more often than who we already have.
But seeing as we were the only club enquiring about him gives me cause for concern. Seeing as we will be playing against Newcastle with Calum Wilson leading the line, and Everton who now have Josh King in their ranks of forwards against us, either of them would have boosted our ranks up front. But instead they will both be playing against us, and if that was not enough we ended up amongst others losing the likes of Kebano and Kamara for the rest of the season. So that to me makes us worse off on the face of it.
Have I missed something here, somebody will need to explain that to me. No fault of Maja he could even do a half decent job but is it enough, I would not rely on it, so I am very disappointed as I feel like somebody has urinated down my back whilst telling me it's raining.

We have had a very good window to find the money to prepare for the Championship, writing off over valued players down to their correct value. Scott Parker's job is to build a squad that can get promoted and stay in the premier league, as we can now keep our players for next season he has more time to improve. Now, Scott Parker has 18 months to build a premier league unit, rather than buying a striker and expecting instant improvement from the team in one week, slow gradual continuous improvement without reinforcements is what Scott Parker needs to do.

Perhaps it will work out even better, and TK's cunning moves in the last couple of years will lead to us spending not just 18 months, but many years outside the top flight, giving SP even longer to build a premier league unit. We're lucky to have a DOF with such a fantastic long-term vision, whilst other clubs' DOFs are making the schoolboy error of just avoiding relegation and staying in the PL.

True, it is a schoolboy error to spend big to stay up, when often under FFP rules spending big to keep a PL team (like Norwich) together in the Championship is better. And, Fulham's current team is better than Norwich.

We have had a very good window to find the money to prepare for the Championship, writing off over valued players down to their correct value. Scott Parker's job is to build a squad that can get promoted and stay in the premier league, as we can now keep our players for next season he has more time to improve. Now, Scott Parker has 18 months to build a premier league unit, rather than buying a striker and expecting instant improvement from the team in one week, slow gradual continuous improvement without reinforcements is what Scott Parker needs to do.

Perhaps it will work out even better, and TK's cunning moves in the last couple of years will lead to us spending not just 18 months, but many years outside the top flight, giving SP even longer to build a premier league unit. We're lucky to have a DOF with such a fantastic long-term vision, whilst other clubs' DOFs are making the schoolboy error of just avoiding relegation and staying in the PL.

True, it is a schoolboy error to spend big to stay up, when often under FFP rules spending big to keep a PL team (like Norwich) together in the Championship is better. And, Fulham's current team is better than Norwich.

By the time you take out the members of the squad that won't be here next season (Areola, Lookman, Lemina, RLC, Andersen, Anguissa) and perhaps the likes of Tosin, Robinson, Tete & Maja won't be around there is no chance in hell that our team next season in the Championship will be as good as Norwich.

You can make all the assumptions you want about Tete, Tosin and Robinson will be going once this season is over...but it's nothing more than an assumption fueled by a dislike for the DofF (who signed those players to begin with).

They are under contract next season.

Did Mitro and Tom Cairney leave for different opportunities? No... because the like playing for Fulham. Some thought they would be too big to stay.  Surprise.. surprise... They are still here.

Go figure.

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I said that "perhaps" they may be out the door.  I didn't make any assumptions.

Yes, I understand they're contracted, but every player that leaves a club (except under Bosman ruling) is under contract or released.

If there is some concrete interest from the PL or a good division abroad, then they may very well hand in a transfer request.  It's not uncommon for players in relegated teams to want to move.

Of those 3, I'd say Tosin would be the most likely to attract interest, followed by Robinson with Tete maybe the least likely.

We are in a precarious position and if you ask of the pundits they would say we are very likely to get relegated. None of us want it but will it happen maybe and that is me being the infernal optimist. What he has said is that he needs to sort out the FFP position if he didn't and we went down we may have picked up a points penalty and then would we have criticised him, yes. There was never ever going to be a big money signing and maybe there were better playrs than  Maji out there, I don't know and only time will tell.

After reflecting on yesterday events my take is:

King was overpriced and chose Everton. No loss in my opinion
We thought we had King and offloaded Kebano and AK. Huge mistake. Liked Kebano but not premiership standard and he will do well in the championship. Always liked AK, probably in the minority, and he could have helped the cause.
No opinion on Maja. Wish him well
MLM was not going to play anyway
Good riddance to Seri

So the real question is whether Maja is an improvement on Kebano and AK. One positive is Mitro should play every game

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Does TK think the squad is good enough?

Tony Khan knows the team will probably go down without EPL quality reinforcements this season.

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Or I could be missing something.

Tony Khan is spending all this season's remaining money on the amoritzating the book value of players not getting game time.

Tony Khan made the right decision to spend the money on "amortization overvalued players", rather than loaning in a "new striker". He has learnt that bringing in Babel and Nordveidt was a mistake when the money could have been better spent on bringing in Hector and Kongolo for the first half of the Championship season instead.

how do you know either of those things?
However you look at it, staying in the premiership is the most lucrative thing we could have done.
I think you are not correct in your analysis, and to be honest I am not sure I know what "amortization overvalued players' actually means. we kept poor players, some of whom are injured that will be little use in the championship if we do not get in quality forwards.
the ex fulham player that is hardly tearing up france, has been brought in on loan.
are you suggesting TK has thrown in the towel already, no interest in making a fight of it.
If so we honestly do not need hiom and his dad needs to take a deep breath and get rid.

If you don't know what "amortization overvalued players' actually means", then how can you say that Tony Khan has made a huge mistake by "amortization overvalued players" rather than bringing in a Striker.

FYI, "amortization overvalued players" is the DOF decreasing the "book value" of Seri from £10m to about £4m now.  The "book value" is the lesser of the cost of amortization remaining (i.e. £10m for Seri) or his actual resale value (Seri is worth around £4m or less).

In summary, "FFP amortization is how the big clubs", ensure that the small clubs keep their crap players and sell their good players every season. Tony Khan is not the problem, working within FFP makes it very hard to move from yo-yo club to 17th in the premier league.

Holding the core of this team together and improving with the players we have is the best long-term strategy. TK transfer window gets 10 out of 10 marks from me, as I don't want to see a sell-off in the summer.

I didn't say TK had made a mistake  regarding the book value of the players, i said I didn't understand the term you used as applied to what we are talking about.

Taking your definition at face value, and I do comprehend it. Then what you have said is theat TK has completely mmismanaged the squad to the extent we cannot manage to purchase a single player in this window. That is my iunterpretation of what you wrote. Because he alone waste d £100m and we continue to pay the price. Plus he purchased an injured center half again and managed to retain a vastly over sized squad rather than getting rid of the dead wood in summer.

I repsect your opinion that you think he is brilliant. I juust cannot see it because not having the wherewithall to buy a forward, after buying an injured and unnecessary centre half, strikes me as mismanagement. That is why we need a properly experienced person and not a failing amateur in charge that would have got the boot anywhere else. And I have said often, he would not have got an interview anywhere else, let alone been given this job.

I like the idea of TK being part of the club management, it would  speak well for our future, but not in this specialist role. Time he moved aside.