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Has publicly stating it was him who wanted to sign Ivan Tony but Parker didn't. Why on earth has he undermined him like that, keep that sort of thing private! I really do despair at times, getting fed with this now.  :dft004:

I'm sure Scott was given the option of Toney but what would he have had to give up to get him? Mitro? Zambo? Not sign Areola or Andersen?

Very much half the story I guess.

But agree, things like this shouldn't be in public domain.

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To be honest I'd be surprised if Tony Khan had heard of Ivan Tony before this season

Does he actually say Parker didn't want him or is it him correcting the Peterborough guy? Personally, unless there's something I haven't read elsewhere, I didn't take that as TK using to undermine Parker

I cannot be bothered to post links to the Tweets but he hasn't said Parker didn't want Toney. He's just claimed that he, TK, was the one who brought him up as a target. He says we wanted to sign him but couldn't afford it given we needed defenders more badly.

The problem is just that jumping on Twitter to run his mouth about how he wanted Toney last summer just looks like BS and totally unprofessional. Particularly since, even if his claim is true, the reason we couldn't afford him was because TK wasted all our money on Seri, Knockaert et al. So despite being a PL club, we got outbid by Brentford FFS.

The man is an indefensible calamity of unprecedented proportions. The replies to his Tweets are universally slaughtering him.

He really didn't say this. I'd rather he just kept his mouth shut on Twitter tbh but he replied to MacAnthony saying that he liked Toney but we couldn't afford him due to covid after sorting the defence out, he didn't undermine Parker at any point

Yeah, i dont really see the undermining, but a bit senseless to say anything other than to self glorify.

Seems like he was happy with the tribunal and was keen to wag his tail a wee bit

Quote from: Statto on February 11, 2021, 12:32:23 AM
I cannot be bothered to post links to the Tweets but he hasn't said Parker didn't want Toney. He's just claimed that he, TK, was the one who brought him up as a target. He says we wanted to sign him but couldn't afford it given we needed defenders more badly.

The problem is just that jumping on Twitter to run his mouth about how he wanted Toney last summer just looks like BS and totally unprofessional. Particularly since, even if his claim is true, the reason we couldn't afford him was because TK wasted all our money on Seri, Knockaert et al. So despite being a PL club, we got outbid by Brentford FFS.

The man is an indefensible calamity of unprecedented proportions. The replies to his Tweets are universally slaughtering him.

Have gone back and re-read his tweets and actually think you're right re not undermining but think it was a silly move to publicise.

He shouldn't have said anything. His attempt to clarify, no matter true or not, will never be welcomed unfortunately. If we were comfortable in the table, things may be a bit different, but they aren't.

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is all about. In terms of context, receiving actual information directly from our DOF is interesting.

Scott Parker came out to the media and said he needs a striker, no one thinks he is going behind Tony Khan's back, but I'm sure he didn't get permission. Tony Khan says he wanted a striker in the summer, and everyone thinks he is undermining Scott Parker by talking to the media.

A COMPLETE DOUBLE STANDARD, that is likely to result in Tony Khan disliking the fans that are criticizing him and him losing interest. If those fans determined to sack Tony Khan succeed, then I suspect investment will dry up. And, Tony Khan will spend his inheritance on boats, planes, and wrestling rather than on football players for FFC fans.

Let me remind you that Tony's Khan inheritance can afford to buy 160 players at Seri's price and 600 players around Harrison Reeds price range, that is an incredible amount of money that long-term guarantees success provide he still loves the club. We must make sure he spends his inheritance on Fulham Players, spending it wisely in players is a bonus but wisdom is not essential.

Quote from: Matt10 on February 11, 2021, 12:49:37 AM
He shouldn't have said anything. His attempt to clarify, no matter true or not, will never be welcomed unfortunately. If we were comfortable in the table, things may be a bit different, but they aren't.

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is all about. In terms of context, receiving actual information directly from our DOF is interesting.

A more measured view from Matt.

Appears that everything TK says is turned against him.

I have no reason to be  fan of TK, except his family have obviously put  lot of money into Fulham, though I
don't doubt  he has done some things wrong, as well as good things,  as Fulham's nepotistic appointment as DoF, but I don't like to see people  unfairly abused or ganged up on.

The  bloke can't win. it seems.

I am glad that the Khans own our club and i believe them to be decent people. Tony is perhaps not the best qualified man for the job but no-one knows how he is working with this and who is helping him. We diid some very shrewd business in the summer and although we are lacking quality in forward positions that is preferable to last time around when we had  a glut of luxury players with flair who couldnt defend. Its not perfect  but progress has been made.
Khan and Parker seem to be able to work together which is crucial if we are to get some sort of stability at the club.  All the slating of TK is not really relevant in my view ,and is in many other instances people want their cake and eat it. If Tony were to go at the cost of the Khans selling the club then long may he flourish as TD !!

Quote from: Brian McGroom on February 11, 2021, 12:23:33 AM
To be honest I'd be surprised if Tony Khan had heard of Ivan Tony before this season

We've been linked with his team mate Siriki Dembele for months, so I expect he has. Just a shame he had to spend that money on Knockaert, that deal was terrible.

Am I the only Fulham supporter that doesn't rate Ivan Toney ?
I just don't get it, you could see the class of Ollie Watkins but I just don't see it with Toney,  I will confidently predict here and now that he will flop in The Premier league if they go up.

I have just read TK's tweets i cant see where he said the manager didnt want him, he said that he (TK) was the one that bought him up at meetings not our general manager (who is that? AM?) or the manager. Darragh McAntony said that our manager was keen on him.

Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 11, 2021, 12:55:01 AM
Scott Parker came out to the media and said he needs a striker, no one thinks he is going behind Tony Khan's back, but I'm sure he didn't get permission. Tony Khan says he wanted a striker in the summer, and everyone thinks he is undermining Scott Parker by talking to the media.

A COMPLETE DOUBLE STANDARD, that is likely to result in Tony Khan disliking the fans that are criticizing him and him losing interest. If those fans determined to sack Tony Khan succeed, then I suspect investment will dry up. And, Tony Khan will spend his inheritance on boats, planes, and wrestling rather than on football players for FFC fans.

Let me remind you that Tony's Khan inheritance can afford to buy 160 players at Seri's price and 600 players around Harrison Reeds price range, that is an incredible amount of money that long-term guarantees success provide he still loves the club. We must make sure he spends his inheritance on Fulham Players, spending it wisely in players is a bonus but wisdom is not essential.

But with FFP most of this become irrelevant. I find it hilarious that TK's fans keep mentioning his daddy's wealth as the main reason he should stay on as DoF. The truth is we can't really benefit from the Khans' extreme wealth. The club needs to be sustainable within the limits of FFP. We can NEVER spend as much as the top clubs, no matter how rich TK's dad is. 160 Seris or 600 Reeds? LOL, you need to come back down to earth. We will never be able to spend even a FRACTION of that. In fact, we are still stuggling financially after TK's failed signing of ONE Seri.

I'd much rather have a moderately rich owner and a proper DoF than the Khans and an incompetent DoF. If daddy won't provide the funds for a real DoF he's a poor owner and we're better off without him IMO.

The Riverside stand is a bonus with the Khans of course but it's a bit of a luxury for a "yo-yo" club, which seems to be the level of ambition from the Khans.

Like others have posted, TK is now in a postions where he can't win. Everything he says or does will be criticized. Unfair? Maybe, but he has put himself in that position and this alone makes him unsuitable for the job IMO. Add his lack of qualifications and I find it EXTREMELY hard to understand how Fulham fans can still support him.

Quote from: Riversider on February 11, 2021, 07:28:41 AM
Am I the only Fulham supporter that doesn't rate Ivan Toney ?
I just don't get it, you could see the class of Ollie Watkins but I just don't see it with Toney,  I will confidently predict here and now that he will flop in The Premier league if they go up.

I think you could be. He's scored 23 goals in 28 matches. I'm not certain he will make it in the Prem but then again I wasn't sure Watkins would. Sometimes you have to take a gamble, particularly with strikers who are worth their weight in gold. That's exactly what the club have done with Maja.

I feel sorry for TK. He gets slated for not making any comments & slated when he does. He knows more about the inner workings of recruitment than us mere mortals. Give him a break or stump up the cash to buy the Khans out & try & do a better job. From what I read on here the Club would not last long.

Quote from: grandad on February 11, 2021, 08:49:43 AM
I feel sorry for TK. He gets slated for not making any comments & slated when he does. He knows more about the inner workings of recruitment than us mere mortals. Give him a break or stump up the cash to buy the Khans out & try & do a better job. From what I read on here the Club would not last long.

I mean, he gets criticism for saying stupid stuff and criticised for nit commenting on things that seem really important. I'm not completely anti TK but I'm not going to pretend he's beyond criticism particularly when he invites it on himself.

As long as TK can persuade the  likes of Areola  to come to Fulham then he can say what he likes on twitter for all I care.

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Quote from: Matt10 on February 11, 2021, 12:49:37 AM
He shouldn't have said anything. His attempt to clarify, no matter true or not, will never be welcomed unfortunately. If we were comfortable in the table, things may be a bit different, but they aren't.

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is all about. In terms of context, receiving actual information directly from our DOF is interesting.

A more measured view from Matt.

Appears that everything TK says is turned against him.

I have no reason to be  fan of TK, except his family have obviously put  lot of money into Fulham, though I
don't doubt  he has done some things wrong, as well as good things,  as Fulham's nepotistic appointment as DoF, but I don't like to see people  unfairly abused or ganged up on.

The  bloke can't win. it seems.

+ 1

It's a real shame we couldn't find a way to justify him and were outbid by a team in the division below.....That's a sad indictment to the way our finances have been run if that's the case. That said, I watched Reading Brentford extended highlights and I must say, I'd love the Reading striker Lucas João. I mentioned him before and whilst his track record prolific, he looks the genuine deal. Fast, strong, can finish, takes penalties and links the play really well. 

Quote from: grandad on February 11, 2021, 08:49:43 AM
I feel sorry for TK. He gets slated for not making any comments & slated when he does. He knows more about the inner workings of recruitment than us mere mortals. Give him a break or stump up the cash to buy the Khans out & try & do a better job. From what I read on here the Club would not last long.

This comment says nothing about the question in hand, only blind loyalty!

Great discussion - you can identify the Khan PR team in action so easily

Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 10:31:58 AM
Great discussion - you can identify the Khan PR team in action so easily

And the irrational Khan haters. Who, it seems, are the same vociferous mob that determined the last owner to call it a day.

No guarantee Toney would have done well in premier league - just look at Mitro this season

Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on February 11, 2021, 10:45:14 AM
No guarantee Toney would have done well in premier league - just look at Mitro this season

A very genuine point, sir.

He's a walking contradiction of a man, who hurts us every time he tweets or opens his mouth.

You can't continually blame FFP, when it is his use of the funds and that expenditure that puts us where we are with FFP.

It worries me, it really does.

I'm really trying not to be patronising- but I actually do  feel a bit sorry for the guy. He comes over as extremely insecure and not at all comfortable in his own skin. I'm sure he works hard to try to be a success and is anxious to prove that he is a capable professional but the cloak of his Father' s undoubted success weighs heavy on his shoulders. The only way he can really prove to himself that he can rise to the top without his Dad is to go it alone - but that isnt going to happen .
I would love a " stand alone " DOF with Tony being happy with another role on the Board - but the "  ego has landed " and I doubt will ever  take off to do something else full time . Great owners - flawed management structure- very Fulhamish

Quote from: The Old Count on February 11, 2021, 10:36:37 AM

Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 10:31:58 AM
Great discussion - you can identify the Khan PR team in action so easily

And the irrational Khan haters. Who, it seems, are the same vociferous mob that determined the last owner to call it a day.

But that's not the point  - this is a forum for fans to vent their opinion/frustrations

Not to counter the owner's son's PR team

Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 11:34:07 AM

Quote from: The Old Count on February 11, 2021, 10:36:37 AM

Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 10:31:58 AM
Great discussion - you can identify the Khan PR team in action so easily

And the irrational Khan haters. Who, it seems, are the same vociferous mob that determined the last owner to call it a day.

But that's not the point  - this is a forum for fans to vent their opinion/frustrations

Not to counter the owner's son's PR team

But if it is an opinion that you do not like, then it is fine for you to label the posters of said opinions as for example "the owner's son's PR team"? Who decide what fans are allowed to post their opinions then, since you seem to be of the opinion that not all should do it?

Quote from: The Old Count on February 11, 2021, 10:36:37 AM

Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 10:31:58 AM
Great discussion - you can identify the Khan PR team in action so easily

And the irrational Khan haters. Who, it seems, are the same vociferous mob that determined the last owner to call it a day.

"Khan haters"... aka 99% of Fulham fans if you venture beyond this forum. No idea where the reference to MAF comes from.

The Khans' ownership hasn't been wholly bad and they're not the second coming of Ernie Clay. But to defend TK' Twitter antics is nothing short of absurd. In this case he has intervened purely to clarify that it was him, not SP, who wanted to do a deal which, with hindsight, would have been great for us. Sorry but that is just a bloody stupid thing to do. No it's not the end of the world but it certainly isn't helpful or professional. The man is in the very least a tool. Get out of your three-person echo chamber and admit that at least FFS.

Quote from: Sting of the North on February 11, 2021, 11:40:18 AM

Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 11:34:07 AM

Quote from: The Old Count on February 11, 2021, 10:36:37 AM

Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 10:31:58 AM
Great discussion - you can identify the Khan PR team in action so easily

And the irrational Khan haters. Who, it seems, are the same vociferous mob that determined the last owner to call it a day.

But that's not the point  - this is a forum for fans to vent their opinion/frustrations

Not to counter the owner's son's PR team

But if it is an opinion that you do not like, then it is fine for you to label the posters of said opinions as for example "the owner's son's PR team"? Who decide what fans are allowed to post their opinions then, since you seem to be of the opinion that not all should do it?

I was simply making the point that, of course,  all posters' views are acceptable - I don't mind an argument !
But some posters - to me - appear to part of a professional PR team in rebuffing any criticism of the Khans whatsoever with "rational thought"

I object to that - it's devious and quite honestly, pathetic

Quote from: Statto on February 11, 2021, 12:21:39 PM

Quote from: The Old Count on February 11, 2021, 10:36:37 AM

Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 10:31:58 AM
Great discussion - you can identify the Khan PR team in action so easily

And the irrational Khan haters. Who, it seems, are the same vociferous mob that determined the last owner to call it a day.

"Khan haters"... aka 99% of Fulham fans if you venture beyond this forum. No idea where the reference to MAF comes from.

The Khans' ownership hasn't been wholly bad and they're not the second coming of Ernie Clay. But to defend TK' Twitter antics is nothing short of absurd. In this case he has intervened purely to clarify that it was him, not SP, who wanted to do a deal which, with hindsight, would have been great for us. Sorry but that is just a bloody stupid thing to do. No it's not the end of the world but it certainly isn't helpful or professional. The man is in the very least a tool. Get out of your three-person echo chamber and admit that at least FFS.

Source?

Anything that suggests that Parker may be having the final say in who we sign and don't sign is good news to me. There was a time when we were lead to believe that all of these matters were decided by TK and his assistant's Stats and Algorithms.

Quote from: Logicalman on February 11, 2021, 11:03:09 AM

Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on February 11, 2021, 10:45:14 AM
No guarantee Toney would have done well in premier league - just look at Mitro this season

A very genuine point, sir.

Agree with this as well. Also, I understand the Ivan Toney discussion is about our Summer window, not after the fact that Mitro had been out of form heading into the Winter window.

Contextually speaking, during the course of the summer window, Mitro had scored 3 total goals. Everyone was screaming for defenders. We got them, and did a good bit of business. Our system was still the 4-2-3-1, despite Parker trying the 3-4-3, and failing, against Villa (0-3).

I'm not really sure Toney would have joined us, knowing that he wouldn't be starting behind the championship's leading scorer. Regardless, it's good information to know that our recruiting team, which includes our DOF, had eyes on the potential signing.

This thread is another sad indictment that a lot of people can't seem balanced at all. We've seen any criticism bracketed as 'Khan haters' and any praise as 'Khans PR team' when the reality is far more nuanced and balanced. If you can't honestly find good things, and bad things in TK's tenure, then I'm sorry but in my humble opinion, you lack the ability to think critically as there are ample examples of both that aren't 'subjective' Admittedly there are some subjective opinions ie what to read from a tweet, but transfers, managerial changes, relegations, promotions, a sorry state of FFP, being able to bring genuine quality to the club etc etc. We really need to get past this nonsense that its all good, or all bad as it makes for a boring read.

Quote from: Gloria Hunter on February 11, 2021, 12:38:29 PM

Quote from: Statto on February 11, 2021, 12:21:39 PM

Quote from: The Old Count on February 11, 2021, 10:36:37 AM

Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 10:31:58 AM
Great discussion - you can identify the Khan PR team in action so easily

And the irrational Khan haters. Who, it seems, are the same vociferous mob that determined the last owner to call it a day.

"Khan haters"... aka 99% of Fulham fans if you venture beyond this forum. No idea where the reference to MAF comes from.

The Khans' ownership hasn't been wholly bad and they're not the second coming of Ernie Clay. But to defend TK' Twitter antics is nothing short of absurd. In this case he has intervened purely to clarify that it was him, not SP, who wanted to do a deal which, with hindsight, would have been great for us. Sorry but that is just a bloody stupid thing to do. No it's not the end of the world but it certainly isn't helpful or professional. The man is in the very least a tool. Get out of your three-person echo chamber and admit that at least FFS.

Source?

I always chuckle when people say 'source' on this board. People are chatting. No-one is handing in their Doctorate here FFS.

OP has exaggerated, clearly. That said, visit other FFC fan forums, social medias or even just ones you know and there is a huge groundswell of fans who think he's a wally.

I do not do twitter so have no idea what was or was noit said.  TK should really not air such matters in public like this.

however, I do do comments on TK and he is our DoF and we need to judge him on results. We needed a proper defence and we got that so well done.
We also needed a forward line just as much and did not get that and actually seemed to make precious ;little effort to get one either, so negatoive for that.

TK's job can only be judged on results and after all this time I am less than impressed as many on the MB know. He is very good at PR and his questionable video clips telling us how brilliant he is from a friendly interviewer are not inspiring.

I will return to a favourite theme for which the few that still excuse him seem to dislike.  If he was anyone else other than his father's son he would not have got an interview for the job, let alone been appointed. If he was anyone else other than his father's son, he would have been removed from office years ago.
I am happy his father wnants him invpolved, i ma happy he wants to be involved, but not with such up fromnt and personal team matters. He is out of his depth.

With the money spent by the owner we should be comfortably  sitting mid table to top third after our promotion in 2018. This is such a strange and dispiriting situation. In all the 60 years I have supported up until MAF we struggeld because we had no money. With MAF we had it and reached a european final. We still have it but are struggling to get a proper squad together. Because if we go down, this one will surely break up.

Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 12:36:00 PM

Quote from: Sting of the North on February 11, 2021, 11:40:18 AM

Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 11:34:07 AM

Quote from: The Old Count on February 11, 2021, 10:36:37 AM

Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 10:31:58 AM
Great discussion - you can identify the Khan PR team in action so easily

And the irrational Khan haters. Who, it seems, are the same vociferous mob that determined the last owner to call it a day.

But that's not the point  - this is a forum for fans to vent their opinion/frustrations

Not to counter the owner's son's PR team

But if it is an opinion that you do not like, then it is fine for you to label the posters of said opinions as for example "the owner's son's PR team"? Who decide what fans are allowed to post their opinions then, since you seem to be of the opinion that not all should do it?

I was simply making the point that, of course,  all posters' views are acceptable - I don't mind an argument !
But some posters - to me - appear to part of a professional PR team in rebuffing any criticism of the Khans whatsoever with "rational thought"

I object to that - it's devious and quite honestly, pathetic

I am glad you said that and not me.

If he replies to a question he gets grief, if he chose not to reply he would get grief. The bloke can't do anything without someone having a go at him. He isn't perfect, who is, but I do think that some fans go out of their way to criticize TK and the club for a "told you so" moment 

I really think that Tony should step away from Twitter. It does the club no favours having him making these sorts of public statements, so why is he bothering?

For all of his failures, I did used to quite like Ali Mac's comms with the fans via YouTube videos. I think TK should follow that style, and be a bit more professional.

Quote from: FFC1987 on February 11, 2021, 01:07:03 PM
This thread is another sad indictment that a lot of people can't seem balanced at all. We've seen any criticism bracketed as 'Khan haters' and any praise as 'Khans PR team' when the reality is far more nuanced and balanced. If you can't honestly find good things, and bad things in TK's tenure, then I'm sorry but in my humble opinion, you lack the ability to think critically as there are ample examples of both that aren't 'subjective' Admittedly there are some subjective opinions ie what to read from a tweet, but transfers, managerial changes, relegations, promotions, a sorry state of FFP, being able to bring genuine quality to the club etc etc. We really need to get past this nonsense that its all good, or all bad as it makes for a boring read.

This posts sums things up perfectly for me.  I honestly don't understand why some people have such a massive problem with Tony Khan, I have criticised him, mainly for not giving Fulham 100% and not being around the club enough.  If he was 100% on the job he would move to London etc etc.  Yes he has made bad signings but also very good ones.  I wonder with some fans who are quite high profile and really slate him, what they know that we don't.  I suspect TK has done something behind the scenes that they can't forgive but without knowing what that is all I can do is judge on his successes and failures.  Twitter can be quite vile at times and people's use of language discusting, I can swear with the best of them but do so in context and never i hope in a horrid way.  This hiding behind a keyboard whilst being very brave is quite frankly pathetic.   

Personally I like to hear from Tony, but his words are turned against him and often totally miss represented.  He is clarifying that he had identified Toney but had other prioritise.  I agree with this.  To then throw in that Knockaert was a waste of money is easy now, but you really don't know for certain how much he cost and his previous reputation was outstanding and he was part of a promotion winning team.  I find a comment earlier in this thread suggesting that the Khans building of the Riverside Stand is not really important as we will not fill it in the Championship amazing and totally wrong.  Anyway we all have our opinions, I do wonder however as said above whether some fans with such distain for TK have had some very bad experience that they do not reveal ??   One last comment that I have made before, I watched Toney at Shrewsbury when he was on loan from Newcastle..he made very little impression and whilst not crap he was miles off being a Prem player.  £10M for him was a risk but Brentford had big money from Watkins and Benrama so could happily sign him.  We needed to find money and big wages for defenders and we prioritised that.  Would Toney have made a big impact in the Prem for Fulham ?  Maybe, maybe not, I would suggest unlikely.

Quote from: Craven Mad on February 11, 2021, 01:47:13 PM
I did used to quite like Ali Mac's comm s with the fans via YouTube videos. I think TK should follow that style and be a bit more professional.

As occurred with his informative post-window interview on the club website recently. That is indeed how to do it.

Agreed also that in between such occasions, reticence may require some biting of the lip, but it suits the nature of the role better.

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Quote from: Gloria Hunter on February 11, 2021, 12:38:29 PM

Quote from: Statto on February 11, 2021, 12:21:39 PM

Quote from: The Old Count on February 11, 2021, 10:36:37 AM

Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 10:31:58 AM
Great discussion - you can identify the Khan PR team in action so easily

And the irrational Khan haters. Who, it seems, are the same vociferous mob that determined the last owner to call it a day.

"Khan haters"... aka 99% of Fulham fans if you venture beyond this forum. No idea where the reference to MAF comes from.

The Khans' ownership hasn't been wholly bad and they're not the second coming of Ernie Clay. But to defend TK' Twitter antics is nothing short of absurd. In this case he has intervened purely to clarify that it was him, not SP, who wanted to do a deal which, with hindsight, would have been great for us. Sorry but that is just a bloody stupid thing to do. No it's not the end of the world but it certainly isn't helpful or professional. The man is in the very least a tool. Get out of your three-person echo chamber and admit that at least FFS.

Source?

I always chuckle when people say 'source' on this board. People are chatting. No-one is handing in their Doctorate here FFS.

OP has exaggerated, clearly. That said, visit other FFC fan forums, social medias or even just ones you know and there is a huge groundswell of fans who think he's a wally.

My 'source' was a tongue firmly in cheek response to a poster who has a track record of strongly denying the views and comments of others unless they are proven to his/her satisfaction!

We may well be laughing together than Gloria - it seems on here you often can't express something unless you have a ream of spreadsheets and a quote from a peer reviewed paper to back it up.

Quote from: Maidstone Lee on February 11, 2021, 12:08:47 AM
Has publicly stating it was him who wanted to sign Ivan Tony but Parker didn't. Why on earth has he undermined him like that, keep that sort of thing private! I really do despair at times, getting fed with this now.  :dft004:

I dont like him but that isnt what he said at all. You've completely changed it. He didn't say Scott didn't want him, he said they couldn't because of FFP

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Quote from: Maidstone Lee on February 11, 2021, 12:08:47 AM
Has publicly stating it was him who wanted to sign Ivan Tony but Parker didn't. Why on earth has he undermined him like that, keep that sort of thing private! I really do despair at times, getting fed with this now.  :dft004:

I dont like him but that isnt what he said at all. You've completely changed it. He didn't say Scott didn't want him, he said they couldn't because of FFP

True and fair. It was just odd - was he either looking to take credit it for it, because of ego. Or was he looking to note it, so that people can't claim that Scott wasn't listened to? Either way, it all felt unnecessary and only got worse and worse and his kept tweeting, replying and digging himself a hole. It just comes across so unprofessional.

Quote from: Gloria Hunter on February 11, 2021, 12:38:29 PM

Quote from: Statto on February 11, 2021, 12:21:39 PM

Quote from: The Old Count on February 11, 2021, 10:36:37 AM

Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 10:31:58 AM
Great discussion - you can identify the Khan PR team in action so easily

And the irrational Khan haters. Who, it seems, are the same vociferous mob that determined the last owner to call it a day.

"Khan haters"... aka 99% of Fulham fans if you venture beyond this forum. No idea where the reference to MAF comes from.

The Khans' ownership hasn't been wholly bad and they're not the second coming of Ernie Clay. But to defend TK' Twitter antics is nothing short of absurd. In this case he has intervened purely to clarify that it was him, not SP, who wanted to do a deal which, with hindsight, would have been great for us. Sorry but that is just a bloody stupid thing to do. No it's not the end of the world but it certainly isn't helpful or professional. The man is in the very least a tool. Get out of your three-person echo chamber and admit that at least FFS.

Source?

Read the replies to the Tweet and tell me what proportion of them are supporting/defending/thanking Tony Khan here...

I did like him a lot, I still do, and I was the one who brought him up in the meetings (the General Manager, not the manager).

— Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) February 10, 2021

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Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 10:31:58 AM
Great discussion - you can identify the Khan PR team in action so easily

And the irrational Khan haters. Who, it seems, are the same vociferous mob that determined the last owner to call it a day.

"Khan haters"... aka 99% of Fulham fans if you venture beyond this forum. No idea where the reference to MAF comes from.

The Khans' ownership hasn't been wholly bad and they're not the second coming of Ernie Clay. But to defend TK' Twitter antics is nothing short of absurd. In this case he has intervened purely to clarify that it was him, not SP, who wanted to do a deal which, with hindsight, would have been great for us. Sorry but that is just a bloody stupid thing to do. No it's not the end of the world but it certainly isn't helpful or professional. The man is in the very least a tool. Get out of your three-person echo chamber and admit that at least FFS.

Source?

Read the replies to the Tweet and tell me what proportion of them are supporting/defending/thanking Tony Khan here...

I did like him a lot, I still do, and I was the one who brought him up in the meetings (the General Manager, not the manager).

— Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) February 10, 2021

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Quote from: Craven Mad on February 11, 2021, 01:47:13 PM
I really think that Tony should step away from Twitter. It does the club no favours having him making these sorts of public statements, so why is he bothering?

Well it does have the great advantage of enabling people to comment ad nauseam about things he hasn't actually said.
However I rather agree with you that he should stop, as that would mean we could return to complaining in general about the Club's lack of communication.

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Quote from: Baszab on February 11, 2021, 10:31:58 AM
Great discussion - you can identify the Khan PR team in action so easily

And the irrational Khan haters. Who, it seems, are the same vociferous mob that determined the last owner to call it a day.

But that's not the point  - this is a forum for fans to vent their opinion/frustrations

Not to counter the owner's son's PR team

But if it is an opinion that you do not like, then it is fine for you to label the posters of said opinions as for example "the owner's son's PR team"? Who decide what fans are allowed to post their opinions then, since you seem to be of the opinion that not all should do it?

I was simply making the point that, of course,  all posters' views are acceptable - I don't mind an argument !
But some posters - to me - appear to part of a professional PR team in rebuffing any criticism of the Khans whatsoever with "rational thought"

I object to that - it's devious and quite honestly, pathetic

Why on earth would TK, although coming of as a bit insecure, give a rats about what some anonymous people are writing an a semi-public forum, to the point that he has to sneak in some positive PR for himself on said forum?

But, on the off chance that you are actually being serious, to me your post then seems to be written by someone that simply  has a very hard time accepting that different people have different opinions on subjective topics on an Internet forum. Because otherwise, wouldn't it be better to try to argue your point instead of trying to ridicule those that don't share your opinions, since you allegedly don't mind an argument? Instead of objecting to their opinions and calling them pathetic.

But then again, maybe TK paid me to write this, who knows?

Quote from: FFC1987 on February 11, 2021, 01:07:03 PM
This thread is another sad indictment that a lot of people can't seem balanced at all. We've seen any criticism bracketed as 'Khan haters' and any praise as 'Khans PR team' when the reality is far more nuanced and balanced. If you can't honestly find good things, and bad things in TK's tenure, then I'm sorry but in my humble opinion, you lack the ability to think critically as there are ample examples of both that aren't 'subjective' Admittedly there are some subjective opinions ie what to read from a tweet, but transfers, managerial changes, relegations, promotions, a sorry state of FFP, being able to bring genuine quality to the club etc etc. We really need to get past this nonsense that its all good, or all bad as it makes for a boring read.

:plus one:

I just looked at his Twitter posts - most of them are about wrestling - very few about Fulham - that's not good

Quote from: Sting of the North on February 11, 2021, 06:46:34 PM

But then again, maybe TK paid me to write this, who knows?

If you are getting paid, can you please let TK know that I am also open to writing favourable posts in return for cash?

Quote from: Gloria Hunter on February 11, 2021, 05:57:52 PM
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I apologise, in equal measure, for asking others to be able to rationalise and evidence their comments, and for being able to rationalise and evidence my own.
I also accept your apology for questioning me, and look forward with relish to your 20th post. May it be as insightful and profound as the other 19.

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I did used to quite like Ali Mac's comm s with the fans via YouTube videos. I think TK should follow that style and be a bit more professional.

As occurred with his informative post-window interview on the club website recently. That is indeed how to do it.

Agreed also that in between such occasions, reticence may require some biting of the lip, but it suits the nature of the role better.

My problem with those videos is that the interviewer does not probe anywhere near hard enough and it is an opportuniuty for tony to tell us why he failed (or succeded if that is what you think he did).

Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on February 11, 2021, 06:55:52 PM
I just looked at his Twitter posts - most of them are about wrestling - very few about Fulham - that's not good

Oh I don't know. I'd prefer all his tweets were about something as inconsequential as wresting. Sadly his relatively few FFC tweets are too often inflammatory, banal or contentious. 

I do find it very odd when people slag off TK for "signing the waste of money Seri".... when Fulham announced we had captured his signature so many people were jealous beyond imagination.... We all know it never worked out for Seri, but I very much doubt that this was the opinion when we signed him...  The magic of hindsight eh!!! 😉⚽️⚽️

Quote from: Matt10 on February 11, 2021, 12:49:37 AM
He shouldn't have said anything. His attempt to clarify, no matter true or not, will never be welcomed unfortunately. If we were comfortable in the table, things may be a bit different, but they aren't.

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is all about. In terms of context, receiving actual information directly from our DOF is interesting.

The only thing it can attempt to do is self serve Tony and be used as an excuse that he wanted a player that has since gone on to do very well for Brentford. Fact of the matter is its even more useless in light of where we are in the league and how much we clearly needed a striker. Shameful management by TK who is clearly out of his depth when it comes to us as a club and how to run us. He openly stated also areola is our biggest ever wage earner or close to it.. he took that decision and was responsible for the finances. I love having areola here but building a proper balanced squad within budget is exactly what his job entails, something he has never succeeded at at premiership level. It's just 1 mistake after the other. And what's more it now looks like Brentford will come up this season which goes to follow a trend of clubs who have come up before or after us who have simply outperformed our club on and off the pitch. But this isn't a new conversation.. I feel like I've been on this hamster wheel talking about the same issues over and over again - the definition of stupidity and madness. Key culprit is clearly Tony Khan and I despair as so many fans simply seem content with now being a yoyo club or staying in the championship and being an average club which I just don't get. One day either the fan base will shrink or they'll start to get annoyed and about bloody time too.

Again a poster is criticising other fans, as if trying to speak calmly and objectively about  someone obviously a hate figure for many here, has any influence over the situation- as if the fact that some fans  trying to understand TK's actions, rather than ranting and raving, will  them mean he has carte blanch to continue to  abuse his power as Fulham's DoF (as many here seem to believe he does).

But TK as DoF, his father owning the club, is the reality.
FFP, which  seems  unfairly stringent for a club  of Fulham's size, compared to how it affects top clubs is also a reality.

You may think TK has mismanaged the situation - maybe he has maybe  he hasn't, though he has obviously done positive things re signing players, as well as  made mistakes, but this is our situation at the moment, and we have to make the most of it.

I'm sure at some future date Mr. Khan will sell up, and TK will leave Fulham, and then there will  be a different owners and a different set of problems  that owner, whoever he is, has to face.

But at the moment, the main concern for everyone at the club has to be trying to survive in the Prem, not whether or not we should have signed one player, or another, in the past.

At least TK is trying to inform fans of the situation, and show why  we didn't sign a striker, but he's obviously better keeping his mouth shut, it seems.

Tony is an obvious target on which people can vent their frustration. Hes not perfect and he is the owners son ,or one of the the owners of our club. They have always shown respect to the club and fans ,are investing massive amounts of money in improving our ground and the clubs future. This year the club has made some excellent signings and no flops,whilst there were mistakes last time around,so he is learning.

As  long as Shahid khan owns the club he will have Tony involved and it is his decision.All the chat backwards and forwards is irelevant in my book. Lets be grateful for what they are doing for the club instead of griping about things we dont like.None of us have ever been near running a PL club so in reality none of us have a clue as to what is involved.

I'm not sure the TK 'respecting' of the fans holds entirely true. I think the dislike/distrust is mutual - maybe not across the entire board, but there's been an edge there since he started.

Hence the fact he does search his name on Twitter and does have eyes on forums such as this. As well as sometimes random and other times retaliatory outbursts. I should note, this isn't exclusive to Fulham. He's long done this in Jax where he is thought of fairly similarly as many here do, but he is more of an after thought for them these days. They have enough issues.

He's had an odd reaction to criticism, constructive or otherwise (sure, it frequently isn't) from the start. I'm not sure his public persona and what I assume is an acted persona for his wrestling career (didn't think I'd ever write that) combines well. I can't tell what is him and what is fantasy.

Some have mentioned along the lines of 'being where we are', with what I took to be a signal to support and face that head on. I can get behind that somewhat, but I do have to stop short if that means I can't bemoan or criticise the one or two constants that seems to cause these issues (I'm including Ali Mac within that). If we don't, do we ever improve? I always believe if you are not constantly improving you'll end up being left behind.

AM has some sort of teflon skin and has overseen a club going from middling PL club with occasional European nights to a yo-yo club that has had a lot of negative press - FFP failures, CK court fiasco, arrests at the training ground, claims of child endangerment and racism from ex youth players and so on. We've been promised more internal reports... It baffles me how he is still here.

TK has had a chance, and he's done some good and some bad. Then another chance, and will there be another? Again, he seems teflon, although his surname obviously helps there.

For me it isn't even always the actions - I like Maja as a signing if we go down and he's made permanent and I think signings like Robinson and Tosin are very, very smart - but there's also a certain amount of mismanagement too. Gambles that often pay off in some ways, but hit us heavily in others. Knockaert and the agreement for his FT transfer for instance.

We seem to almost always get the big signings/expensive signings wrong and they do hit us heavily. We're hiding behind FFP, but we had a squad with a large number of players unregistered who had only been here a short time.

And OK, no-one is perfect and you can understand mistakes, but often when the mistakes are explained, the explanations or details are in conflict with the true situation or they even seem to contradict themselves. There often seems to be an excuse, or something to hide behind. A character trait few look up to.

Anyway, just some morning rambles, but getting some stuff off of my chest as best balanced as I can.

Everton tomorrow.... UTF.

I'm not a fan of the khan's full stop, but feel he's hard done to on this occasion.

I think, that is usually a good start.
I think that some of the friction beteween fans is that some of us (me) spend much time speaking out when we feel things are not as they should be.
And in effect others say, it is what it is deal with it. Going on and on moaning about things you cannot control is pointless.

The problem with the stop moaning attitude is, in my opinion, it is dangerously wrong.

the idea you should accept whatever is served up, when you can see it can be very much improved, runs counter to everything I understand abpout life.

Quote from: colinwhite on February 12, 2021, 05:54:01 AM
Tony is an obvious target on which people can vent their frustration. Hes not perfect and he is the owners son ,or one of the the owners of our club. They have always shown respect to the club and fans ,are investing massive amounts of money in improving our ground and the clubs future. This year the club has made some excellent signings and no flops,whilst there were mistakes last time around,so he is learning.

As  long as Shahid khan owns the club he will have Tony involved and it is his decision.All the chat backwards and forwards is irelevant in my book. Lets be grateful for what they are doing for the club instead of griping about things we dont like.None of us have ever been near running a PL club so in reality none of us have a clue as to what is involved.

Nice summary sir  :003:

Quote from: ALG01 on February 12, 2021, 12:39:50 PM
I think, that is usually a good start.
I think that some of the friction beteween fans is that some of us (me) spend much time speaking out when we feel things are not as they should be.
And in effect others say, it is what it is deal with it. Going on and on moaning about things you cannot control is pointless.

The problem with the stop moaning attitude is, in my opinion, it is dangerously wrong.

the idea you should accept whatever is served up, when you can see it can be very much improved, runs counter to everything I understand abpout life.

Fair enough and I totally understand that frustrations after the match will find expression on message boards but it's the inability to incorporate the bigger picture - what the Khans have done from investing in the team & the ground, that I find unacceptable. A bit of balance is also necessary in life.

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Quote from: b+w geezer on February 11, 2021, 02:14:15 PM

Quote from: Craven Mad on February 11, 2021, 01:47:13 PM
I did used to quite like Ali Mac's comm s with the fans via YouTube videos. I think TK should follow that style and be a bit more professional.

As occurred with his informative post-window interview on the club website recently. That is indeed how to do it.

My problem with those videos is that the interviewer does not probe anywhere near hard enough and it is an opportuniuty for tony to tell us why he failed (or succeded if that is what you think he did).

For sure. it's not a grilling, but a PR exercise. (So if other clubs' websites offer grillings of their TK equivalents, we are missing out -- do they?)

As a PR exercise, it went into considerable background detail -- oodles more than I ever used to receive from FFC. This included that we were sailing close to the wind of financial compliance, the reason for which was not spelled out or demanded by the interviewer. You had to work out why for yourself.

I slavishly follow every word that Tony Khan posts on social media, because I am really interested in knowing how to run a football club properly.

For the girl who lives above her means...

For the girl who just won't give up...

For the girl with a dream...

Delusion. Convince yourself.

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Quote from: ALG01 on February 12, 2021, 12:39:50 PM
I think, that is usually a good start.
I think that some of the friction beteween fans is that some of us (me) spend much time speaking out when we feel things are not as they should be.
And in effect others say, it is what it is deal with it. Going on and on moaning about things you cannot control is pointless.

The problem with the stop moaning attitude is, in my opinion, it is dangerously wrong.

the idea you should accept whatever is served up, when you can see it can be very much improved, runs counter to everything I understand abpout life.

Fair enough and I totally understand that frustrations after the match will find expression on message boards but it's the inability to incorporate the bigger picture - what the Khans have done from investing in the team & the ground, that I find unacceptable. A bit of balance is also necessary in life.

It is indeed a balanced view that is needed.
Too much debate descends very quickly into taking sides.
Me I do not like TK's way of being DoF, that is clear but i do think the Khan;s have the heart in the right place, that makes the errors so much more of a frustration.

Says he hasn't spoken to Khan about the issue: “I want us to be perceived and act in a certain way, and that’s a world class way. I want us to do that on the pitch, but also off the pitch. I want us to be a football team that our fans are proud of.”

— Peter Rutzler (@peterrutzler) February 12, 2021

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Angry Scott Parker on collision course with Fulham co-owner Tony Khan after transfer claim

The Fulham boss is unhappy with the outspoken co-owner's latest public declarations, regarding potential interest in striker Ivan Toney last summer

Fulham manager Scott Parker is on collision course with co-owner Tony Khan after more social media declarations from the Cottagers chief.

Parker admitted in September his disappointment with Khan, after he had apologised to supporters for the side's performance against Aston Villa.

But he has again been left frustrated with the 38-year-old, after further social media statements which have again undermined Parker.

Khan took to Twitter earlier this week to publicly reveal details of a failed bid last summer for Ivan Toney.

Toney moved from Peterborough to Brentford in a fee worth a potential £10million, and has enjoyed a magnificent campaign in the Championship thus far, scoring 23 goals for the Bees.

Khan divulged on Wednesday that Fulham had been unable to afford Toney - despite returning to the Premier League.

That came after Posh owner Darragh MacAnthony had replied to a tweet stating that Parker had been keen on taking Toney from London Road before his move.

But in a move that could easily be interpreted as egotistical, Khan rejected that assertion, rubbishing suggestions of input from Parker and taking sole credit for anyinterest in the striker.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/scott-parker-fulham-transfers-khan-23492936

Quote from: Maidstone Lee on February 12, 2021, 11:19:53 PM

Says he hasn't spoken to Khan about the issue: “I want us to be perceived and act in a certain way, and that’s a world class way. I want us to do that on the pitch, but also off the pitch. I want us to be a football team that our fans are proud of.”

— Peter Rutzler (@peterrutzler) February 12, 2021

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Angry Scott Parker on collision course with Fulham co-owner Tony Khan after transfer claim

The Fulham boss is unhappy with the outspoken co-owner's latest public declarations, regarding potential interest in striker Ivan Toney last summer

Fulham manager Scott Parker is on collision course with co-owner Tony Khan after more social media declarations from the Cottagers chief.

Parker admitted in September his disappointment with Khan, after he had apologised to supporters for the side's performance against Aston Villa.

But he has again been left frustrated with the 38-year-old, after further social media statements which have again undermined Parker.

Khan took to Twitter earlier this week to publicly reveal details of a failed bid last summer for Ivan Toney.

Toney moved from Peterborough to Brentford in a fee worth a potential £10million, and has enjoyed a magnificent campaign in the Championship thus far, scoring 23 goals for the Bees.

Khan divulged on Wednesday that Fulham had been unable to afford Toney - despite returning to the Premier League.

That came after Posh owner Darragh MacAnthony had replied to a tweet stating that Parker had been keen on taking Toney from London Road before his move.

But in a move that could easily be interpreted as egotistical, Khan rejected that assertion, rubbishing suggestions of input from Parker and taking sole credit for anyinterest in the striker.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/scott-parker-fulham-transfers-khan-23492936

These two sources of information are as out of context as they come. This is literally the dilemma that we are faced with in the world of news. Which one to believe? The one that is pitting Parker against Khan, or the one that is posting quotes from Parker directly?

It may not sound like a big deal, but this thread is pretty much proof that how the information is delivered seems to be more important than the information itself.

Again, I don't see a problem with Khan giving information, just like I don't see a problem with Parker being diplomatic.

You want answers? Go with Tony Khan.

You want some answers that are down to interpretation and grace? Go with Scott Parker.

Tony Khan is 38 years old? Yikes. He has always come across as eccentric, but not in a good way. The sort of guy that you're too nice to be mean to but roll your eyes every time they come your way. Undortunately he has control of his Dad's wallet and therefore our club. No doubt any rift between Parker and TK has been blown out of proportion but I would bet my savings that Parker has no real love for Khan and just puts up with him. Frankly I find him an embarrassment to our club, but en embarrassment is better than being a Bolton or Blackpool. In a way its quite sad.

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Quote from: Maidstone Lee on February 12, 2021, 11:19:53 PM

Says he hasn't spoken to Khan about the issue: “I want us to be perceived and act in a certain way, and that’s a world class way. I want us to do that on the pitch, but also off the pitch. I want us to be a football team that our fans are proud of.”

— Peter Rutzler (@peterrutzler) February 12, 2021

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Angry Scott Parker on collision course with Fulham co-owner Tony Khan after transfer claim

The Fulham boss is unhappy with the outspoken co-owner's latest public declarations, regarding potential interest in striker Ivan Toney last summer

Fulham manager Scott Parker is on collision course with co-owner Tony Khan after more social media declarations from the Cottagers chief.

Parker admitted in September his disappointment with Khan, after he had apologised to supporters for the side's performance against Aston Villa.

But he has again been left frustrated with the 38-year-old, after further social media statements which have again undermined Parker.

Khan took to Twitter earlier this week to publicly reveal details of a failed bid last summer for Ivan Toney.

Toney moved from Peterborough to Brentford in a fee worth a potential £10million, and has enjoyed a magnificent campaign in the Championship thus far, scoring 23 goals for the Bees.

Khan divulged on Wednesday that Fulham had been unable to afford Toney - despite returning to the Premier League.

That came after Posh owner Darragh MacAnthony had replied to a tweet stating that Parker had been keen on taking Toney from London Road before his move.

But in a move that could easily be interpreted as egotistical, Khan rejected that assertion, rubbishing suggestions of input from Parker and taking sole credit for anyinterest in the striker.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/scott-parker-fulham-transfers-khan-23492936

These two sources of information are as out of context as they come. This is literally the dilemma that we are faced with in the world of news. Which one to believe? The one that is pitting Parker against Khan, or the one that is posting quotes from Parker directly?

It may not sound like a big deal, but this thread is pretty much proof that how the information is delivered seems to be more important than the information itself.

Again, I don't see a problem with Khan giving information, just like I don't see a problem with Parker being diplomatic.

You want answers? Go with Tony Khan.

You want some answers that are down to interpretation and grace? Go with Scott Parker.

Come on. The article is fundamentally consistent with the quotes. If you can't infer unhappiness and frustration from the quotes Rutzler has tweeted, you've got a serious communication problem. Maybe it's a British cultural thing, but if you're asked what you think of someone's actions, and you reply by saying you'd like their conduct to be "world class" and "make the fans proud", it means that on this occasion you don't think the person's actions were "world class" and something the fans would be proud of. SP also explicitly says TK's tweets are "not helpful", which is also what he said last time around.

People talk about balance but you really do have to squint hard with both eyes and bend your mind backwards to defend or downplay TK's conduct here.

Quote from: Dr Quinzel on February 12, 2021, 10:26:07 AM
AM has some sort of teflon skin and has overseen a club going from middling PL club with occasional European nights to a yo-yo club that has had a lot of negative press - FFP failures, CK court fiasco, arrests at the training ground, claims of child endangerment and racism from ex youth players and so on. We've been promised more internal reports... It baffles me how he is still here.

Agreed. My I refer you to the topic I posted 4 years ago titled "Teflon"

Not bothered.

I like his transfer moves since promotion.   And to be fair...Hector and Zambo were good signings too.


Tony doing Tony things.  :doh:

I dont know maybe I have a very simplistic view. The only reason I am on this thread at all is that it seems to me to that you have to look at the whole picture. Get rid of TK as DF but keep Shaid Khan as owner and chairman as he has done a lot for the club,is not really a realistic line of thinking if you ask me.Maybe Tony is the only reason the Khans own the club ,we dont know do we ?
Either way we have good owners. I am sure most fans agree with this sentiment,and would not want to lose them because some dont think Tony Khan is up to the job as DF. So i would like TK to succéed as DF and long may he flourish in this role because my simplistic feeling is that as long as he does so the Khans are likely to continually invest large amounts of their great fortune  in our club. 

If Parker wants this to be an Elite club can he do one and we can get an elite manager in, I don't mind TK yea hes a brash yank but since the summer fans have been going on about why didnt we sign another stirker we all knew we need one, he provides an answer and it why does he get involved why doesn't he just sit there and keep quiet.

If Parker had done his job properly we wouldnt be mentioned in the original tweet 

"If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're misinformed."   Thus said Mark Twain or maybe he didn't ...

I have given up avoiding this thread and just wanted to say the essence of a good working relationship is that it achieves what it wants (or sets out) to achieve.   Looking back at Fulham FC in the post MAF era we can look at promotions as, hopefully, times that were good (or alternatively were they accidents?).  Likewise we can look at relegations and lower league mediocrity as things that were bad (or alternatively were they deliberate and reckless acts?).   Only proper participants in both good and bad working relationships can really comprehend this difference. 

Generally speaking if there is a common element in both the good and the bad times then the problem could be narrowed down by extrapolation and reasoning (i.e. it takes two or more people working in a good/bad relationship to make good/bad things happen and the same person can be present in both). 

I sometimes think people forget that we have had Covid19 in the UK for a year and a closed stadium. That definitely will affect FFP. Alot of clubs at the end of the day will be in dire straights by the end of this. Will hopefully will not because we have a good owner. The pandemic I'm sure affected our ability to get players in, ok we have made dodgy choices but we have dorted out defence. Mitro has been off form, and this has been going on since the end of last season, where we weren't plsyong brillisntly and in my opinion were lucky to get promoted to the Prem.
We do need another striker but we all know getting a good one is very difficult, expensive, especially during a pandemic.
I think Tony Khans tweets are ill timed and he says things that wind people up, but even though I like Parker I still feel his inexperience shows.

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Quote from: Statto on February 13, 2021, 01:41:09 AM

Quote from: Matt10 on February 13, 2021, 12:00:30 AM

Quote from: Maidstone Lee on February 12, 2021, 11:19:53 PM

Says he hasn't spoken to Khan about the issue: “I want us to be perceived and act in a certain way, and that’s a world class way. I want us to do that on the pitch, but also off the pitch. I want us to be a football team that our fans are proud of.”

— Peter Rutzler (@peterrutzler) February 12, 2021

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Angry Scott Parker on collision course with Fulham co-owner Tony Khan after transfer claim

The Fulham boss is unhappy with the outspoken co-owner's latest public declarations, regarding potential interest in striker Ivan Toney last summer

Fulham manager Scott Parker is on collision course with co-owner Tony Khan after more social media declarations from the Cottagers chief.

Parker admitted in September his disappointment with Khan, after he had apologised to supporters for the side's performance against Aston Villa.

But he has again been left frustrated with the 38-year-old, after further social media statements which have again undermined Parker.

Khan took to Twitter earlier this week to publicly reveal details of a failed bid last summer for Ivan Toney.

Toney moved from Peterborough to Brentford in a fee worth a potential £10million, and has enjoyed a magnificent campaign in the Championship thus far, scoring 23 goals for the Bees.

Khan divulged on Wednesday that Fulham had been unable to afford Toney - despite returning to the Premier League.

That came after Posh owner Darragh MacAnthony had replied to a tweet stating that Parker had been keen on taking Toney from London Road before his move.

But in a move that could easily be interpreted as egotistical, Khan rejected that assertion, rubbishing suggestions of input from Parker and taking sole credit for anyinterest in the striker.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/scott-parker-fulham-transfers-khan-23492936

These two sources of information are as out of context as they come. This is literally the dilemma that we are faced with in the world of news. Which one to believe? The one that is pitting Parker against Khan, or the one that is posting quotes from Parker directly?

It may not sound like a big deal, but this thread is pretty much proof that how the information is delivered seems to be more important than the information itself.

Again, I don't see a problem with Khan giving information, just like I don't see a problem with Parker being diplomatic.

You want answers? Go with Tony Khan.

You want some answers that are down to interpretation and grace? Go with Scott Parker.

Come on. The article is fundamentally consistent with the quotes. If you can't infer unhappiness and frustration from the quotes Rutzler has tweeted, you've got a serious communication problem. Maybe it's a British cultural thing, but if you're asked what you think of someone's actions, and you reply by saying you'd like their conduct to be "world class" and "make the fans proud", it means that on this occasion you don't think the person's actions were "world class" and something the fans would be proud of. SP also explicitly says TK's tweets are "not helpful", which is also what he said last time around.

People talk about balance but you really do have to squint hard with both eyes and bend your mind backwards to defend or downplay TK's conduct here.

You seriously need to stop with these lazy comparisons of British vs American culture as a means to dig at me. It's annoying, boring and pathetic, Statto. I was born overseas, raised overseas by both British culture missionaries and American based missionaries. I'm also part of a UK based Fulham Fan site that some members who also agree the mirror is winding us up.

If you can't understand that we live in a world where the news and social media build up our perceptions, then I'm not sure what to tell you. It's clear as day the two sources of information conflict in both tone and context of arrangement. I like Peter's articles and follow his tweets because he provides balance and good content. The other source doesn't help anyone, and builds a narrative right away. One of those where you can just read the title and can see mob mentality of hate take place.

In the end, you choose what you want to be in this world. If you're happy with slating someone, that's your choice. I'm not a TK defender or hater. I'm a defender of logic and trying to see things in other ways. People who act like they can do better, know better, just show that they're great in thinking out of context - and after the situations have already played out. It's like having the Sports Almanac in Back to Future - sorry if that's too American for you.

Quote from: Matt10 on February 13, 2021, 03:33:35 PM
It's clear as day the two sources of information conflict in both tone and context of arrangement.

The Mirror article now includes quotes from Parker calling TK's tweets "frustrating" and "not helpful".

As far as I can tell, the only thing the journo has added concerning SP's reaction is saying he's "unhappy".

I'm sure you're prepared to explain to me why "frustrated" doesn't mean the same as "unhappy" in your world but I suggest you don't bother. I'm not going to be persuaded that there's a material difference between those terms in this context. So let's leave it there.

Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on February 13, 2021, 03:58:34 PM

Quote from: Sammyffc on February 13, 2021, 07:39:21 AM
i think we can all agree this forum isn't what is used to be. It is just full of bickering back and fourth. Labelling people who like khan as blindly loyal or part of his PR team is hilarious, and also insulting those who hate him is just as bad. Its so boring now.

In regards to Ivan, from friends who know him personally he is a grade A ............. and is extremely arrogant, Ever since he made his way to Newcastle. His attitude is the complete opposite of Callum Robinson, who is supposed to be a really nice down to earth guy.

In regards to Tony. You either want people in the club to speak out or you don't. I am sick of it. For years and years i've seen people moaning and moaning they hear nothing from the club, and complain they have to go through the fulham supporters club to get information like they are at school. ( major credit to the fulham supporters club though)  then when the DOF actually does say something the same people just harp on constantly and insult the man. Grow up and get a life.

In regards to Scott saying he wants this to be an elite football club etc etc and clashing with Tony. Is he taking the mick ? he is absolutely DREADFUL as a manager. We are absolutely shocking. He was blessed to have an unreal team to take us back up and he is trying to sit there and portray himself as this good figure ? we are absolutely TERRIBLE and are nailed on to go down. He should just be keeping his mouth shut and focusing on actually being good.

I've been on this forum 6 or so years now and it's never been anything other than bickering back and forth for the most part.

Not a totally inaccurate observation though we do try to cut arguments between members, especially personal ones, off asap, but the mods cannot cover 24x7x365 and some posts do get missed.

We do ask that posts & responses are kept on point, without resorting to personal insults or insinuations regarding other members abilities/intelligence on matters, and will be looking to both remove such posts in their entirety and issue warnings to the members posting. It's a very fine line between doing the right thing and overstepping the mark unfortunately, but that's the way it goes. That also applies to where other groups are mentioned and disparaged, even by analogy, in responses that have nothing to do with the point of the thread.

Please do not respond directly to this matter and keep the rest of the posts on topic.

Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on February 13, 2021, 03:58:34 PM

Quote from: Sammyffc on February 13, 2021, 07:39:21 AM
i think we can all agree this forum isn't what is used to be. It is just full of bickering back and fourth. Labelling people who like khan as blindly loyal or part of his PR team is hilarious, and also insulting those who hate him is just as bad. Its so boring now.

In regards to Ivan, from friends who know him personally he is a grade A ............. and is extremely arrogant, Ever since he made his way to Newcastle. His attitude is the complete opposite of Callum Robinson, who is supposed to be a really nice down to earth guy.

In regards to Tony. You either want people in the club to speak out or you don't. I am sick of it. For years and years i've seen people moaning and moaning they hear nothing from the club, and complain they have to go through the fulham supporters club to get information like they are at school. ( major credit to the fulham supporters club though)  then when the DOF actually does say something the same people just harp on constantly and insult the man. Grow up and get a life.

In regards to Scott saying he wants this to be an elite football club etc etc and clashing with Tony. Is he taking the mick ? he is absolutely DREADFUL as a manager. We are absolutely shocking. He was blessed to have an unreal team to take us back up and he is trying to sit there and portray himself as this good figure ? we are absolutely TERRIBLE and are nailed on to go down. He should just be keeping his mouth shut and focusing on actually being good.

I've been on this forum 6 or so years now and it's never been anything other than bickering back and forth for the most part.

Oh no it isn't!

Quote from: Sammyffc on February 13, 2021, 08:21:41 AM

Quote from: colinwhite on February 13, 2021, 08:11:35 AM

Quote from: Sammyffc on February 13, 2021, 07:39:21 AM
i think we can all agree this forum isn't what is used to be. It is just full of bickering back and fourth. Labelling people who like khan as blindly loyal or part of his PR team is hilarious, and also insulting those who hate him is just as bad. Its so boring now.

In regards to Ivan, from friends who know him personally he is a grade A ............. and is extremely arrogant, Ever since he made his way to Newcastle. His attitude is the complete opposite of Callum Robinson, who is supposed to be a really nice down to earth guy.

In regards to Tony. You either want people in the club to speak out or you don't. I am sick of it. For years and years i've seen people moaning and moaning they hear nothing from the club, and complain they have to go through the fulham supporters club to get information like they are at school. ( major credit to the fulham supporters club though)  then when the DOF actually does say something the same people just harp on constantly and insult the man. Grow up and get a life.

In regards to Scott saying he wants this to be an elite football club etc etc and clashing with Tony. Is he taking the mick ? he is absolutely DREADFUL as a manager. We are absolutely shocking. He was blessed to have an unreal team to take us back up and he is trying to sit there and portray himself as this good figure ? we are absolutely TERRIBLE and are nailed on to go down. He should just be keeping his mouth shut and focusing on actually being good.

.

Thats as maybe but if you start off by intimating that the forum is not what it used to be becausing of constant moaning and then go into a long moan then Im


Well Sammy you started well and then plunged into pure moaning,making no constuctive points whatsoever about the present state of the team,or our current situation. You didnt do a lot to improve the forum pal !!

Oh, so you want me to add things to my post that i didn't want to talk about ? . I wanted to address the tony speaking thing, Ivans personality and Scott. That's it. Let me know next time what you would like me to write in my posts and ill make a mark in my diary.

Thats all well and a good but nonetheless avoiding the isssue that if you come on here complaing about how the forum has gone downhill due to people constantly moaning and then procede to do nothing but moan ,then perhaps you need to think again if you get the hump because others point out the absurdiity of your post. if you have point of view fine ,but either back it up or expect to get the reply you deserve.

its a bit soon for them to sell Toney tbh probably asking for a huge price with his brand new contract. unless he has a decent release i think i d agree with scott on this and don't pay over the odds for unproven top level guy. (albeit looks decent)

Toney plays for Brentford not us so what happened months ago is completely irrelevant.  Who cares, get on with life, you cannot change the past ( and that goes for things that happened centuries ago as well). 

Quote from: sarnian on February 14, 2021, 10:02:34 AM
Toney plays for Brentford not us so what happened months ago is completely irrelevant.  Who cares, get on with life, you cannot change the past ( and that goes for things that happened centuries ago as well). 

So what you are saying is that whoever invented the wheel cannot change their mind, thank goodness for that.

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2021, 10:07:08 AM

Quote from: sarnian on February 14, 2021, 10:02:34 AM
Toney plays for Brentford not us so what happened months ago is completely irrelevant.  Who cares, get on with life, you cannot change the past ( and that goes for things that happened centuries ago as well). 

So what you are saying is that whoever invented the wheel cannot change their mind, thank goodness for that.

What I am saying is you cannot change history.  Whether it's Fulham transfers, wars, slavery, etc, nobody can change what has happened in the past whatever the rights and wrongs of it all.  Pretty simple statement really so your reply is pointless.

Quote from: sarnian on February 14, 2021, 11:33:06 AM

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2021, 10:07:08 AM

Quote from: sarnian on February 14, 2021, 10:02:34 AM
Toney plays for Brentford not us so what happened months ago is completely irrelevant.  Who cares, get on with life, you cannot change the past ( and that goes for things that happened centuries ago as well). 

So what you are saying is that whoever invented the wheel cannot change their mind, thank goodness for that.

What I am saying is you cannot change history.  Whether it's Fulham transfers, wars, slavery, etc, nobody can change what has happened in the past whatever the rights and wrongs of it all.  Pretty simple statement really so your reply is pointless.

Not really oh wise one, I am not saying you can change history, however you can make sure you do not repeat the same mistakes. Which is clearly happening at Fulham with the continued buffoonery of the D of F.
Since the Ego landed apart from his continued incompetence and negligence as head of the Crack Recruitment Unit he has been surrounded by controversy not forgetting the fiasco with his best mate from university CK and all that surrounded their affairs, although despite TK covering up for his best mate at the time at others expense, I hasten to add that I doubt they are best mates now. In fact that debacle only ended when CK fell on his own sword, otherwise the long suffering Slavisa, you must remember him he was the other guy who got us promoted since the Khans took over. Yes Slavisa who had to put up with pair of them, no wonder Slavisa always had a long face. At least Scott has only got to put up with one enormous EGO.
Nevertheless, it still remains that Junior Khan is the itch that Fulham FC cannot scratch at the moment, but nothing lasts for ever, as there is a pattern here and all trails lead back to the owners son.

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2021, 11:56:16 AM

Quote from: sarnian on February 14, 2021, 11:33:06 AM

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2021, 10:07:08 AM

Quote from: sarnian on February 14, 2021, 10:02:34 AM
Toney plays for Brentford not us so what happened months ago is completely irrelevant.  Who cares, get on with life, you cannot change the past ( and that goes for things that happened centuries ago as well). 

So what you are saying is that whoever invented the wheel cannot change their mind, thank goodness for that.

What I am saying is you cannot change history.  Whether it's Fulham transfers, wars, slavery, etc, nobody can change what has happened in the past whatever the rights and wrongs of it all.  Pretty simple statement really so your reply is pointless.

Not really oh wise one, I am not saying you can change history, however you can make sure you do not repeat the same mistakes. Which is clearly happening at Fulham with the continued buffoonery of the D of F.
Since the Ego landed apart from his continued incompetence and negligence as head of the Crack Recruitment Unit he has been surrounded by controversy not forgetting the fiasco with his best mate from university CK and all that surrounded their affairs, although despite TK covering up for his best mate at the time at others expense, I hasten to add that I doubt they are best mates now. In fact that debacle only ended when CK fell on his own sword, otherwise the long suffering Slavisa, you must remember him he was the other guy who got us promoted since the Khans took over. Yes Slavisa who had to put up with pair of them, no wonder Slavisa always had a long face. At least Scott has only got to put up with one enormous EGO.
Nevertheless, it still remains that Junior Khan is the itch that Fulham FC cannot scratch at the moment, but nothing lasts for ever, as there is a pattern here and all trails lead back to the owners son.

As I recall it, CK was sacked by Khan senior and, at the time, Khan junior was far from happy.

Quote from: Penfold on February 14, 2021, 12:17:51 PM

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2021, 11:56:16 AM

Quote from: sarnian on February 14, 2021, 11:33:06 AM

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 14, 2021, 10:07:08 AM

Quote from: sarnian on February 14, 2021, 10:02:34 AM
Toney plays for Brentford not us so what happened months ago is completely irrelevant.  Who cares, get on with life, you cannot change the past ( and that goes for things that happened centuries ago as well). 

So what you are saying is that whoever invented the wheel cannot change their mind, thank goodness for that.

What I am saying is you cannot change history.  Whether it's Fulham transfers, wars, slavery, etc, nobody can change what has happened in the past whatever the rights and wrongs of it all.  Pretty simple statement really so your reply is pointless.

Not really oh wise one, I am not saying you can change history, however you can make sure you do not repeat the same mistakes. Which is clearly happening at Fulham with the continued buffoonery of the D of F.
Since the Ego landed apart from his continued incompetence and negligence as head of the Crack Recruitment Unit he has been surrounded by controversy not forgetting the fiasco with his best mate from university CK and all that surrounded their affairs, although despite TK covering up for his best mate at the time at others expense, I hasten to add that I doubt they are best mates now. In fact that debacle only ended when CK fell on his own sword, otherwise the long suffering Slavisa, you must remember him he was the other guy who got us promoted since the Khans took over. Yes Slavisa who had to put up with pair of them, no wonder Slavisa always had a long face. At least Scott has only got to put up with one enormous EGO.
Nevertheless, it still remains that Junior Khan is the itch that Fulham FC cannot scratch at the moment, but nothing lasts for ever, as there is a pattern here and all trails lead back to the owners son.

As I recall it, CK was sacked by Khan senior and, at the time, Khan junior was far from happy.

That is affirmative, and during his employment at Fulham CK was sent back to the states at least twice to learn how to be discreet and to try and grow up and for disciplinary reasons by the Chairman due to CKs brash and insufferable and unbearable manner and behaviour towards other employees during his tenure. There was an attempted cover up by CKs best mate TK, but at the end of the day, what goes round comes round, and what the owners son overlooks time and time again, is that the ball ⚽️ never gets tired, and the first 90 minutes ➕ added time are the most important.