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Title: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: 3 Cherries on April 09, 2021, 08:41:47 AM
It verges on trolling

Its absolutely no help when our whole team are playing sh**e
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Andy S on April 09, 2021, 08:46:23 AM
It became tiresome months ago so you had to wake the morons up did you?
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: 3 Cherries on April 09, 2021, 08:57:33 AM
It became tiresome months ago so you had to wake the morons up did you?

'moron' is a tad extreme - we all guilty of writing insensitive replies/posts at some point on here
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: clarkey on April 09, 2021, 09:44:48 AM
If it is repetitive, tiresome and counter productive it is just like his playing for Fulham then, so a good representation.

It is not trolling. It is constructive criticism, insofar  all of us want Fulham to do better and one obvious way is to discard this season long experiment with a poor player who flatters to deceive. Same with Cav, he has not contributed anything like enough to the communal effort and standard of play. He should be forgotten about too.

Experiments both, and both have failed I am amazed frankly that Parker has continually selected both players. It often means we play with ten men.

This is especially the case when we have enough good players in that squad to play good football and be in a much higher position. We have shown that. It is the inexperience in the coaching department unfortunately. Parker is a great bloke and we love the fact he is sort of home grown but honestly when push comes to shove then his team falls over at the moment.Lets honestly hope it changes tonight and he picks a team without either player and uses his selection to put out the strongest 11 possible.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on April 09, 2021, 10:01:25 AM
Its true (to me anyway) that there's an unreasonable amount of moaning about RLC and how he performs for the team but  frankly he has under delivered.

IMO it was always going to take him time to get back to his best, add in the fact that he is now playing for a struggling team that is concentrating on playing a very controlled game to make themselves competitive so perhaps we expect to much?

The problem is for me, he rarely affects the outcome of games and while he never makes errors in the way Tosin has made mistakes that lead to goals or Lookman's farcical penalty miss, he doesn't achieve enough positives in a game.

Since January he would have been match fit and his ability to influence the games and effect the results in our favour has been less than I expected.

This was a big name signing on big money and he has not performed consistently enough to warrant praise from the fans but the trouble is we don't have a replacement who is physical enough and able to keep the ball in the position he plays.

So I give him credit for doing his work in the middle of the park, which should be the norm for a player of his ability but a fail for his performances in the last third where games are won.


Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: ALG01 on April 09, 2021, 10:06:39 AM
What is really problematic is posts like this.
Attacking people that can see a player is not hacking it, for whatever rwason, and voicing concern as we face the most important 7 games of the season.

RLC has been poor, a very big disapointment, and to be told it is wrong to speak up on the subject is incredible.

If you only want to hear what you find palatable maybe you will need to choose the threads you look at more carefully
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: filham on April 09, 2021, 10:15:38 AM
RLC has not lived up to expectations and it is hard to reason why, he must be match fit by now and he comes close to putting in a good performance but never quite seems to reach his target.
However he is the best we have in that role so for the remaining games we had best get behind him.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Dodgin on April 09, 2021, 11:12:21 AM
Can't recall having saying much about RLC but just disappointed that he has not performed as we may have expected.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: JoelH5 on April 09, 2021, 11:18:00 AM
I think he's been shocking but he was the best player in the first half against Villa. Second half he did his disappearing act again
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Willham on April 09, 2021, 11:23:33 AM
I really want to like ruben, I really really do! Every game my heart aches for a good performance and I get so excited whenever he gets the ball still, but I am also tired of how much that excitement gets ripped away with nothing.

I saw someone mention on a different thread that they want to hear a resonable argument that shows with evidence that tubens played decent or good, I second this as I honestly dont know how someone can say a number 10, who are there to purely score and create goals, not keep the ball, that's the rest of the teams job, the number 10 HAS to score and create goals/scoring opportunities, and while I cant look at stats showing how many missed chances where created by ruben I can on the other hand remember NONE and also I can check stats that ZERO passes of Rubens have led to goals and hes scored 1 which is an absolute shocking display. Needless to whether hes a number 10 or not that is awful. Andersen has much better stats as a defender.

The only argument I understand against dropping our "star" man is; who else do we play? I understand its quote hard to replace any player in our team right now, but personally I feel onomah is an option, I even feel lookman or decordova may be able to do a job through the middle giving us a chance to try bryan and robinson down the left together (they could continually swap positions making it hard for defenders)
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: blingo on April 09, 2021, 12:02:13 PM
Don't worry, when he goes back down the road the excuse will be that the players around him were not good enough. Should have sent him back ages ago. Dead wood.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: jarv on April 09, 2021, 12:33:05 PM
I don't like negative attacks on any Fulham player or manager (except Sanchez and Branfoot)... Attacks seems to be in the dna of every football supporter in the land when their team is not doing so well.  I have mates who support Arsenal, West Ham, Swansea etc and they have said to me, they stop reading the fans forum when things go sour. Hammers fans hated the Moyes appointment, egg on their faces now.   It's football. We need a win today but I am not holding my breath. The Villa loss was a real blow and I for one have accepted our fate but will be hugely elated if we escape this year.  Live in hope. 049:gif
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: blingo on April 09, 2021, 12:44:22 PM
I don't like negative attacks on any Fulham player or manager (except Sanchez and Branfoot)... Attacks seems to be in the dna of every football supporter in the land when their team is not doing so well.  I have mates who support Arsenal, West Ham, Swansea etc and they have said to me, they stop reading the fans forum when things go sour. Hammers fans hated the Moyes appointment, egg on their faces now.   It's football. We need a win today but I am not holding my breath. The Villa loss was a real blow and I for one have accepted our fate but will be hugely elated if we escape this year.  Live in hope. 049:gif

RLC has never hidden the fact that he is and will remain a chelsea player. To Blingo he is not one of ours.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Bill2 on April 09, 2021, 02:53:41 PM
I like a number of others on here were expecting great things from RLC. Having watched him play for Chelsea U18s when they beat us he was very impressive as a player and a leader then to see him develop as a first team player and England international I was expecting great things. Sadly I have been disappointed, he has had long enough to get over his injury and get fit but he has failed to return to the level he was before it.
With the ball at his feet I don't think there is anyone better at the Club and the way he drives forward is a joy to watch. However, he will not challenge for the ball in the air, especially for a big man and he is not that great in the tackle and his record speaks for itself in 1 goal and 0 assists. This is not good enough for a man of his quality and he needs to do more especially if he wants to go back to Chelsea.
Do I expect him to play tonight, yes as not sure there is anyone better in that role and I always hope he will recapture the form he had previously and personally I am not sure we have anybody better.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Twig on April 09, 2021, 03:14:02 PM
For me the Villa game illustrated the best and worst in the comparison between 1st and 2nd halves.  Unfortunately we have mainly seen the 2nd half type of showing and that is simply nowhere near good enough.  If he could turn in 90 mins like the 1st half then I'd get behind him but thus far he has failed..
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Peabody on April 09, 2021, 03:49:34 PM
It is strange that Chelsea Palace and England rated him and some of our fans don’t. Therefore, his injury must be having an effect on his game, to the extent that we have been disappointed. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Nick Bateman on April 09, 2021, 03:57:58 PM
RLC does seem a scapegoat to me. He cannot score but does a lot of good, keeping possession under pressure and winning fouls. I feel BDR should be more critised for needlessly giving the ball away and shooting into row Z constantly.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: perry geyton on April 09, 2021, 04:03:59 PM
It’s not as tiresome as seeing him in the starting 11 week in week out

I’m sure he’ll get over it tho
What he on 40 - 50K a week
Poor old RLC
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: RaySmith on April 09, 2021, 04:07:49 PM
He has come close to scoring  on several occasions, and been unlucky, with the keeper saving or hitting the  post.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Peabody on April 09, 2021, 04:32:58 PM
RLC does seem a scapegoat to me. He cannot score but does a lot of good, keeping possession under pressure and winning fouls. I feel BDR should be more critised for needlessly giving the ball away and shooting into row Z constantly.


I have got to be careful Nick, this is the second time I have agreed with you. Some of our fans have to have a scapegoat.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: simplyfulham on April 09, 2021, 05:30:48 PM
A few stats from this season I just want to leave here.

I compared our 6 central midfield players this year;

Mario Lemina  •  Ruben Loftus-Cheek  •  Harrison Reed

Frank Zambo Anguissa  • Tom Cairney  •  Josh Onomah




Here's where RLC places in a few keys areas.

5th shots on target %
6th Goals-xG  (e.g how many chances was he expected to score v how many he actually scored)
6th Passing accuracy %
4th Progressive passes per90
5th progressive pass distance per90
6th Assists-xA (e.g how many chances was he expected to assist v how many he actually assisted)
4th key passes per90
5th passes into the final 1/3 per90
6th passes into the attacking pen per90
1st most passes that are blocked by opponents
1st miscontrols per90
5th tackles per90
5th presses per90
4th tackles+interceptions
4th aerial duels won %
6th loose balls recovered p90



In fairness he comes out top in a couple of categories;

1st for attacking pen touches
1st most fouled
1st offsides

All of these stats are mind blowing considering his managed 1 goal & 0 assists all season.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Willham on April 09, 2021, 05:34:58 PM
I'm not meaning to dispute your stats, I just would like to know where you got these? I enjoy stats so would love to get a link?
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: simplyfulham on April 09, 2021, 05:38:17 PM
I'm not meaning to dispute your stats, I just would like to know where you got these? I enjoy stats so would love to get a link?

Go wild!

https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/Premier-League-Stats
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: perry geyton on April 09, 2021, 07:34:02 PM
Nah not me mate I’m a fully paid up member of the RLC LOVE CLUB ❤️
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: davew on April 09, 2021, 07:39:28 PM
Well at least he is presented with yet and yet another chance to prove most of us wrong. No doubt we will be having the same debate before the next game, he has had too many chances and if he suddenly produces some magic then the next question will be why didn't he do it before now! I have written him off as part of the squad I want at Fulham whichever league we end up playing next season.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Mitrovic the warrior on April 09, 2021, 08:56:40 PM
Credit where it's due he's played well first half, deserved a goal.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Twig on April 09, 2021, 09:30:40 PM
Subbed off.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: perry geyton on April 09, 2021, 09:57:08 PM
You still gonna defend that worthless lump ?
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: 3 Cherries on April 09, 2021, 09:58:57 PM
I will defend him whilst the rest of you defend that worthless lump Mitro
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: TC's Sporran on April 09, 2021, 10:04:26 PM
those stats make him look like the worst midfielder and a waste of space.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Baszab on April 09, 2021, 10:12:19 PM
those stats make him look like the worst midfielder and a waste of space.

I think you will find that is because he is

Even Hoddle said he must do more - for the second time now
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: TC's Sporran on April 09, 2021, 10:16:51 PM
he does play further forward than the others in that list and some games is more of a striker so his stats are bound to be skewed
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: simplyfulham on April 09, 2021, 10:20:14 PM
he does play further forward than the others in that list and some games is more of a striker so his stats are bound to be skewed

Yes that is true, completely. The stats bare it out, he ranks 1st for touches in the opposite box of the midfielders.

But why is his goal contributions (goals and assists) so poor?

Why is his shots on target so poor?

Why is his key passes (passes that lease to shots) so poor?

Surely playing further forward would aid a midfielder to boost these certain stats
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Willham on May 28, 2021, 11:54:39 AM
I will defend him whilst the rest of you defend that worthless lump Mitro

If you open up that stats page and look at mitro in our players.
You'll find including goals and assists and time played mitro is still our most prolific players.
With 3 goals and 3 assists he stands 3rd in goals scored, 2nd in assists, and per "90 for goals + assists is 1st, with carvalho second and maja third.
RLC on the other hand is nowhere to be seen?

Mitro even with all the problems this year and hardly getting any playing time has still produced on the few hes played. SP is just determined to make out he hasn't.

My favourite thing about mitro in our team is his link up play, hes so good at bringing other players into the play in the final third, something weve been trying to rely on RLC to do, which seen as though RLC is number one for touches in the opponents box shows the rest of the team has given him plenty of chances to do that, which Ruben hasn't produced one assist in twice as much game time as mitro.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Logicalman on May 28, 2021, 12:25:53 PM
Oh well, argument over now, end of season, both won't be with us shortly, nothing to concern ourselves with.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Twig on May 28, 2021, 06:12:02 PM
Oh well, argument over now, end of season, both won't be with us shortly, nothing to concern ourselves with.

Except how on earth anyone in their right mind could have been defending RLC’s performances as late as April this year!  As to Mitro, I sincerely hope he stays and makes his point on the pitch next season.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Jules on May 28, 2021, 06:21:32 PM
It’s not as tiresome as seeing him in the starting 11 week in week out

I’m sure he’ll get over it tho
What he on 40 - 50K a week
Poor old RLC
He is on £150k a week so I think a bit of criticism is justified based on his performances this season!
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: blingo on May 28, 2021, 06:29:08 PM
Nah not me mate I’m a fully paid up member of the RLC LOVE CLUB ❤️

As all chelski supporters are  :54:
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: Logicalman on May 29, 2021, 01:08:12 PM
Oh well, argument over now, end of season, both won't be with us shortly, nothing to concern ourselves with.

Except how on earth anyone in their right mind could have been defending RLC’s performances as late as April this year!  As to Mitro, I sincerely hope he stays and makes his point on the pitch next season.

I would agree with you, but the argument is over pretty much, RLC is gone, Mitro is likely to follow (given the assumptions that he is def a Prem quality player) - and so they will be pushed into the annals of FFC history.
Title: Re: Continually attacking RLC has become a tad predictable and tiresome
Post by: filham on May 30, 2021, 10:56:54 AM
We have to forget RLC now although it is difficult to imagine who will take him on next season.
Our concern is who will fill that key playmaker role;-
Cairney   - First choice but that dodgy knee begs the question can we rely on him.
Onama  -  Only if he has developed a lot over the summer
Reid ------Not his best position
Reed ------Better employed in a more defensive role
Seri ------- Don't think he is prepared to play in the Championship
Carvalho--  A big responsibility on young shoulders.

Seems to me a new playmaker of quality needs to be top of TK's shopping list.Perhaps he should consider trying to re sign Lemina, he had a good season for uson loan.