I know you could say this season has been but at least we get to play these massive teams and get shock results against your Liverpools, see the best players in the world play against us and sign great players too like Areola, Andersen etc.
I'm absolutely dreading 40 odd games of Championship football next year.
I'm not in fact I love the away days in the championship .
I know we should be in the Prem but playing in the Champ does not bother me at all, I like the Games against Barnsley and Millwall etc. It is what it is.
I watched a bit of the Norwich v Watford & Bees v Cardiff games this evening, dour stuff, the standard this year doesn't look good. If we drop, I'm fairly confident we'll have a good chance next season.
Quote from: JoelH5 on April 20, 2021, 08:47:00 PM
I know you could say this season has been but at least we get to play these massive teams and get shock results against your Liverpools, see the best players in the world play against us and sign great players too like Areola, Andersen etc.
I'm absolutely dreading 40 odd games of Championship football next year.
I agree
we are watching some of the best players in the world we have some very good players. the championship is a standard down and at its worst is awful. it is a bad thing and the idea people prefer it because we win a few more games is childish. you have to aspire to be better and if that is a struggle for a while, so be it but if you survive and rise up then it becomes a pleasure. all we need is somebody with proper vision to lead us.
Not just about winning games, but also about a broad range of away games against some historically big teams. Ease of acquiring tickets if not a season ticket holder, etc.
Quote from: ALG01 on April 20, 2021, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on April 20, 2021, 08:47:00 PM
I know you could say this season has been but at least we get to play these massive teams and get shock results against your Liverpools, see the best players in the world play against us and sign great players too like Areola, Andersen etc.
I'm absolutely dreading 40 odd games of Championship football next year.
I agree
we are watching some of the best players in the world we have some very good players. the championship is a standard down and at its worst is awful. it is a bad thing and the idea people prefer it because we win a few more games is childish. you have to aspire to be better and if that is a struggle for a while, so be it but if you survive and rise up then it becomes a pleasure. all we need is somebody with proper vision to lead us.
Exactly. We have to get excited signing players like Ben Pringle instead of Anguissa.
Oddly enough playing against the so called big clubs used to be exciting. Fancy little Fulham winning at Old Trafford. But now the big clubs no longer feel as big as they once did. We don't feel as big as we were when we had our 13 season or whatever it was spell in the Prem. Football and the big clubs no longer hold the same fascination.
The Championship just feels like a mixture of the honest week in week out struggle and roller coaster ride that football used to feel like. It just feels less fraudulent. Does that make sense? So going to the Championship, promotion is the aim but we have become a yoyo club so the struggle and the journey is always more entertaining than the final destination.
I have found premier league pretty depressing to be honest
Nothing exciting about the championship
To be fair it's not the Premier league's fault that we couldn't hack it, that's down to us, if this season had worked in our favour and done what West Ham for example have done we would be loving it.
To be honest I find both depressing and enjoyable for different reasons - in the Championship we have a chance to win the League but it is a long hard slog, in the Premier League, yes it is great to win against so called "big clubs" (and Spurs) but it is depressing that we are competing against what are effectively rich corporations or rich countries "national" teams.
I enjoy the Championship. Real teams playing in front of true supporters on a more level playing field. Of course I would like us to be in the PL but apart from the financial rewards most outside the "Big 6" are just make weights.
Quote from: SP on April 20, 2021, 08:59:15 PM
I watched a bit of the Norwich v Watford & Bees v Cardiff games this evening, dour stuff, the standard this year doesn't look good. If we drop, I'm fairly confident we'll have a good chance next season.
I watched the 1st half of Norwich v Watford and found the football excellent, end to end, loads of chances, both side had had 8 efforts on goal after about 30 minutes. Yes there is less quality, more defending errors but it's a much better watch. Both sides did have quality players on show and there was hardly any pissing about at the back !
I hope Brentford don't go up so we have the opportunity to sing WEMBLEY WEMBLEY WEMBLEY
I am just happy we have a club. I recall the dark days on the edge of going under. We could be Sheff Weds, Portsmouth or Sunderland. I think the Championship to be a realistic division. Bottom of the league Wycombe recently nearly won at Swansea. I have many good memories of this league, it took me to Wembley for the first time in 67years. If it is then so be it. 049:gif
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Quote from: grandad on April 21, 2021, 08:38:58 AM
I enjoy the Championship. Real teams playing in front of true supporters on a more level playing field. Of course I would like us to be in the PL but apart from the financial rewards most outside the "Big 6" are just make weights.
Why does playing the Championship make you a true supporter?. My son since a very young age has been a fanatical Arsenal supporter, he is now in his 40's, is he not a true supporter because Arsenal are in the Premiership.
People won't like this but it seems that those who are happy to play in the Championship are making excuses to numb the pain of relegation
Personally I quite like the Championship. I am 55 years old though and have watched us in all four divisions , I do not want a repeat of last season though, Painful to watch football from us, I just hope that Parker has put that football behind him. A good manager will adapt his style of playing to suit the players he has available at any given time. I just hope Parker has learnt the lesson that chances are, He will not have the perfect team of players he wants and will need metaphorically, 'to make a foot to fit the shoe' as the shoe he is given may be an odd shape.
Quote from: Southdowns White on April 21, 2021, 09:33:15 AM
Personally I quite like the Championship. I am 55 years old though and have watched us in all four divisions , I do not want a repeat of last season though, Painful to watch football from us, I just hope that Parker has put that football behind him. A good manager will adapt his style of playing to suit the players he has available at any given time. I just hope Parker has learnt the lesson that chances are, He will not have the perfect team of players he wants and will need metaphorically, 'to make a foot to fit the shoe' as the shoe he is given may be an odd shape.
Do you remember the 1889 season?
I will always want Fulham to be playing at the highest level possible with the potential for playing in Europe. If we hadn't struggled so much in our recent excursions into the top flight I don't think there'd be many fans choosing the Championship over the Premier League.
As the Championship looms ever closer the list of 'accessible games' grows longer and the journeys change quite significantly. Will it be Swansea or Bournemouth and if Reading crack I will be home in time for tea. The grim side of course is that we will miss out on staying in the Prem when the bottom eight Clubs have been decidedly average but we must learn the all important lesson this time round. If we aspire to a Burnley, Norwich, Wolves, Leeds or Southampton model we will need to be so much more savvy and patient in the rebuild and not operate on the wing and a prayer system our current model seems to rely on.
I do enjoy the emptiness of Reading away!
I don't mind the championship at all, I find games a lot more enjoyable, mind you that was under Slav and not the mind numbing stuff we have endured the last couple of seasons.
Quote from: JoelH5 on April 21, 2021, 09:24:23 AM
People won't like this but it seems that those who are happy to play in the Championship are making excuses to numb the pain of relegation
it's just football, the ups and downs of it. The Champis fine, more games to go to and follow. We win more games. I say that because many don't care about quality of football just the result, so they will be happy.
No one is making excuses just being honest in most cases that what will be will be. PL is dire to watch in majority of games, can't remember the last non Fulham game I have sat down and watched full 90 mins with eyes glued to the TV. PL is not the be all and end all. It's just Division one in a different name.
I hate us being a yo yo club. It's rubbish. The Championship isn't all bad and some of the best clubs show some quality but there's an awful lot of dross on display. So unless we scale the dizzy heights of the Tigana era I anticipate much more tedious garbage than high quality entertainment.
Saying the championship is depressing doesn't say much for leagues 1 & 2, and those further down the pyramid.Those clubs provide pleasure and joy for tens of thousands of fans with a lot less to attract them than the Championship. Perhaps beauty really is in the eye of the beholder after all.
Quote from: ron on April 21, 2021, 02:59:48 PM
Saying the championship is depressing doesn't say much for leagues 1 & 2, and those further down the pyramid.Those clubs provide pleasure and joy for tens of thousands of fans with a lot less to attract them than the Championship. Perhaps beauty really is in the eye of the beholder after all.
Of course it is. It's a crude analogy but the child who lives in rural China doesn't yearn for the PlayStation. The child in Beijing who has one, would do so if it was taken away. You can't miss what you've never had.
Quote from: bobbo on April 20, 2021, 08:51:13 PM
I'm not in fact I love the away days in the championship .
Could not agree more, true fans, good atmospheres, 2 games a week, honest players plying their trade, no VAR, what's not to like?
Quote from: WokingFFC on April 21, 2021, 03:15:39 PM
Quote from: bobbo on April 20, 2021, 08:51:13 PM
I'm not in fact I love the away days in the championship .
Could not agree more, true fans, good atmospheres, 2 games a week, honest players plying their trade, no VAR, what's not to like?
There will be VAR in the Championship next season.
Quote from: WokingFFC on April 21, 2021, 03:15:39 PM
Quote from: bobbo on April 20, 2021, 08:51:13 PM
I'm not in fact I love the away days in the championship .
Could not agree more, true fans, good atmospheres, 2 games a week, honest players plying their trade, no VAR, what's not to like?
Honest players. Every single one of them would snap up the chance to play in the PL. Does that mean as soon as they do they aren't honest? And do the fans not become true when they get promoted. That means none of us here are true fans. Not to mention there is VAR next season.
It just furthers my point, no one wants to play in the Championship, we just tell ourselves that to make ourselves feel better.
Quote from: alfie on April 21, 2021, 09:19:37 AM
Quote from: grandad on April 21, 2021, 08:38:58 AM
I enjoy the Championship. Real teams playing in front of true supporters on a more level playing field. Of course I would like us to be in the PL but apart from the financial rewards most outside the "Big 6" are just make weights.
Why does playing the Championship make you a true supporter?. My son since a very young age has been a fanatical Arsenal supporter, he is now in his 40's, is he not a true supporter because Arsenal are in the Premiership.
Probably not 😉
Listen I doubt many, certainly not me are saying they don't want to be in the Premier League, I was just pointing out there are positive aspects of being in the championship. Knowing you are likely to win more than 5 games is one, there are many others, cost, different grounds, easier to get tickets, yes last time even with a promotion it was as has been said turgid. If we have a great championship team next season and went up to win a few more games and be mid table then great, that however is so difficult when team like Arsenal have a guy on the bench who cost £70 million. Championship football needs money but it's not as ridiculous as the Premier League.
Quote from: Texas White on April 21, 2021, 02:30:43 AM
I have found premier league pretty depressing to be honest
I don't find the Premier league depressing for the competition and quality and excitement. I find it depressing because under the khan's they've managed to make a ballsup of not having the right squad and manager in place when we do get up.
With a proper striker signed or mitro playing more regularly or with another manager not Scott Parker, we would have been staying up and would not have bottled it when so close to Newcastle.
Whilst we could still catch burnley I'd be surprised if we do. We've been so ineffective at winning games and getting the necessary points. We've been far to soft a team and I put that down to lacking a decent manager. Wish I didn't have to say that as I like Parker as a man and think he may do well later in his managerial career but he needs to be let go as he's currently not good enough for the premiership. Far too one dimensional, lacking creativity to change things quick enough and address issues like goalscoring.
Please guys lets not have an argument over what makes a true supporter. I am just happy to watch Fulham, Would prefer the Premier League but have enjoyed watching Fulham in all four Divisions. There are some who have only ever seen us in one of the top two divisions. They are just as true a supported as anyone else. We all support Fulham
Quote from: Lighthouse on April 20, 2021, 11:23:57 PM
Oddly enough playing against the so called big clubs used to be exciting. Fancy little Fulham winning at Old Trafford. But now the big clubs no longer feel as big as they once did. We don't feel as big as we were when we had our 13 season or whatever it was spell in the Prem. Football and the big clubs no longer hold the same fascination.
The Championship just feels like a mixture of the honest week in week out struggle and roller coaster ride that football used to feel like. It just feels less fraudulent. Does that make sense? So going to the Championship, promotion is the aim but we have become a yoyo club so the struggle and the journey is always more entertaining than the final destination.
Yep 👍🏼
I'm just depressed not to be in top flight next season. I know many in this forum 'just love' Championship football. Sorry, but that doesn't work for me. Of course, everyone can find their own particular space for football enjoyment, but a franchise like FFC should be a regular participant in top flight. This season was very frustrating. A couple of peaks, but mostly valleys I'm afraid. But I'd still rather be fighting it out in top flight. And the way this team is shaping up, what with the inevitable departures and just what is left on the table, Championship football may be short lived, and League 1 not a too distant prospect. Where's my beer??
Quote from: Cambridge Pete on April 21, 2021, 03:43:14 PM
Please guys lets not have an argument over what makes a true supporter. I am just happy to watch Fulham, Would prefer the Premier League but have enjoyed watching Fulham in all four Divisions. There are some who have only ever seen us in one of the top two divisions. They are just as true a supported as anyone else. We all support Fulham
I was only messing about. I know fans who support 2 teams, one in div 1 and one Premiership. If they want to do that then fine. I also know many fans who are passionate fans of big 6 who have never been to a game and never played. I always try and get them to support local teams, my family all came from Fulham, if they came from Torquay, I would probably support them but I could support Man United who have many more fans in Devon than Torquay do. There are no rules, but it's very easy to support a big team, my youngest son supported Man U when he was 8 but when he grew up he changed his mind and came over to the black and white side. My eldest has always been a passionate Fulham fan and season ticket holder even though he lives closest to Crystal Palace.
Quote from: Chrismmo on April 21, 2021, 10:33:10 AM
I do enjoy the emptiness of Reading away!
No need to go all sentimental with us. It was strange that a Mad Stad with so many empty seats still took an age to get out of the car parks. Lots of ups and downs here of course, the beauty of the Ruiz and Berbatov goals, the joy of a few pints at the station and a long sleep on the train, the Waitrose meal deal and of course the fiasco in the fog. I am not promoting the Championship at all but trips to Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle hold no good memories whatsoever especially when shoe horned into the worse section of whichever soulless amphitheatre.
However still five games to go so let's see what happens.
Quote from: FulhamStu on April 21, 2021, 04:02:44 PM
Quote from: Cambridge Pete on April 21, 2021, 03:43:14 PM
Please guys lets not have an argument over what makes a true supporter. I am just happy to watch Fulham, Would prefer the Premier League but have enjoyed watching Fulham in all four Divisions. There are some who have only ever seen us in one of the top two divisions. They are just as true a supported as anyone else. We all support Fulham
I was only messing about. I know fans who support 2 teams, one in div 1 and one Premiership. If they want to do that then fine. I also know many fans who are passionate fans of big 6 who have never been to a game and never played. I always try and get them to support local teams, my family all came from Fulham, if they came from Torquay, I would probably support them but I could support Man United who have many more fans in Devon than Torquay do. There are no rules, but it's very easy to support a big team, my youngest son supported Man U when he was 8 but when he grew up he changed his mind and came over to the black and white side. My eldest has always been a passionate Fulham fan and season ticket holder even though he lives closest to Crystal Palace.
United are everywhere bless them. If you know Sowton Services at the bottom of the M5 a number of modes of transport would be lined up to take exiles to various grounds. We were there one morning for something and the call outs went "Darts mini bus ready for Birmingham bay 12, airport shuttle service for Bristol Airport and connections to Ashton Gate is running late and coaches for Manchester are ready...... coaches A to E to the left and F,G, H and executive straight ahead from the doors"
NINE flipping coaches.
Quote from: General on April 21, 2021, 03:38:39 PM
Quote from: Texas White on April 21, 2021, 02:30:43 AM
I have found premier league pretty depressing to be honest
I don't find the Premier league depressing for the competition and quality and excitement. I find it depressing because under the khan's they've managed to make a ballsup of not having the right squad and manager in place when we do get up.
With a proper striker signed or mitro playing more regularly or with another manager not Scott Parker, we would have been staying up and would not have bottled it when so close to Newcastle.
Whilst we could still catch burnley I'd be surprised if we do. We've been so ineffective at winning games and getting the necessary points. We've been far to soft a team and I put that down to lacking a decent manager. Wish I didn't have to say that as I like Parker as a man and think he may do well later in his managerial career but he needs to be let go as he's currently not good enough for the premiership. Far too one dimensional, lacking creativity to change things quick enough and address issues like goalscoring.
I agree with you totally Mr General.
Texas, if you find the best league in the world boring, then you are watching the wrong sport my friend.
Quote from: blingo on April 21, 2021, 05:47:25 PM
Quote from: General on April 21, 2021, 03:38:39 PM
Quote from: Texas White on April 21, 2021, 02:30:43 AM
I have found premier league pretty depressing to be honest
I don't find the Premier league depressing for the competition and quality and excitement. I find it depressing because under the khan's they've managed to make a ballsup of not having the right squad and manager in place when we do get up.
With a proper striker signed or mitro playing more regularly or with another manager not Scott Parker, we would have been staying up and would not have bottled it when so close to Newcastle.
Whilst we could still catch burnley I'd be surprised if we do. We've been so ineffective at winning games and getting the necessary points. We've been far to soft a team and I put that down to lacking a decent manager. Wish I didn't have to say that as I like Parker as a man and think he may do well later in his managerial career but he needs to be let go as he's currently not good enough for the premiership. Far too one dimensional, lacking creativity to change things quick enough and address issues like goalscoring.
I agree with you totally Mr General.
Texas, if you find the best league in the world boring, then you are watching the wrong sport my friend.
But would the still to be named and feasible option to Parker have fared any better with a squad cobbled together between the Wembley final and the start of the season with the added burden of the best of the loanees immediately injured and then Mitro out for quite a while and then certainly not on fire. Do I remember correctly that TK said something along the lines of 'we tried to get someone in' as the January window closed and we got Maja as a very late loan. I suspect Parkers preference would have been a less scatter gun approach to the season but we will need to wait for the book release.
I think you will find many teams pass the ball sideways and backwards these day but common sense prevails at those Clubs and they have options up front, look at Burnley with Wood/Vydra as plan A and Barnes/Rodriguez as Plan B for example.
Prem exciting? I think on many occasions even the pundits find it hard to come up with anything to say. Sometimes a game might grab your attention for the duration but many fans say their team are a hard watch these days, just check out Terry R's posts pre match. Swashbuckling it certainly is not.
Genuine question, for the people who are saying they prefer football in the championship. If we only win 5 games next season and get relegated playing Parker's depressing brand of football, will that be enjoyable? I think alot of this obsession with the championship is an assumption that we're going to be good when we go down, and win lots of games. That is by no means a guarantee, especially when we're losing a billion players from the first team squad in the summer.
Personally during the fanless covid era and with the addition of VAR the majority of games have been very poor to watch generally
I like the championship. Prefer to see games which are unpredictable and exciting. Well, maybe under Slav they were exciting anyway. Watching us this season has been up and down. But mostly defensive backs to the wall stuff which is dull. Gutted things haven't worked out in our last few games and it's done now, so let's look ahead and rebuild again.
I am not so sure anybody really embraces the Championship but since relegation in season 13/14 we have never really got to grips with a long term plan to make us even remotely competitive in a higher league. I emphasise a long term plan as many on here still salivate over the first trip to Wembley but before that we struggled across the Club for two seasons and we have been patchy at best since. Post the first promotion we never really capitalised on the energy and belief and we went on to make a number of poor decisions which ultimately failed. We got relegated again, made some quick fixes, won promotion, again via the playoffs, made all the same mistakes all over again and now look destined to start all over. As cv's go over a seven year period it's not great and until we get settled and set a tone we want to follow for at least ten years I think the cycle will continue. It's a shame Anderson is probably off as in him I see the first captain in years and a combination of Cookie and Hangaland. However that success cannot balance the pitiful recruitment since 13/14 and we still don't have a full squad, or at least 14/15 players, of high quality that have played together for more than a season. On that basis being back in the Championship kind of serves us right so we cannot really moan about it, just brace ourselves.
Cue 15 points then.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on April 21, 2021, 09:48:05 PM
I am not so sure anybody really embraces the Championship but since relegation in season 13/14 we have never really got to grips with a long term plan to make us even remotely competitive in a higher league. I emphasise a long term plan as many on here still salivate over the first trip to Wembley but before that we struggled across the Club for two seasons and we have been patchy at best since. Post the first promotion we never really capitalised on the energy and belief and we went on to make a number of poor decisions which ultimately failed. We got relegated again, made some quick fixes, won promotion, again via the playoffs, made all the same mistakes all over again and now look destined to start all over. As cv's go over a seven year period it's not great and until we get settled and set a tone we want to follow for at least ten years I think the cycle will continue. It's a shame Anderson is probably off as in him I see the first captain in years and a combination of Cookie and Hangaland. However that success cannot balance the pitiful recruitment since 13/14 and we still don't have a full squad, or at least 14/15 players, of high quality that have played together for more than a season. On that basis being back in the Championship kind of serves us right so we cannot really moan about it, just brace ourselves.
Cue 15 points then.
It will take at least 3 seasons to get back into the frame for promotion to the prem.
FFP being an issue. Perhaps the championship is where Fulham should be, alongside the likes of Sheffield Utd, wba etc. Norwich will be in championship again 22/23 season.
Quote from: humphrey on April 22, 2021, 07:54:44 AM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on April 21, 2021, 09:48:05 PM
I am not so sure anybody really embraces the Championship but since relegation in season 13/14 we have never really got to grips with a long term plan to make us even remotely competitive in a higher league. I emphasise a long term plan as many on here still salivate over the first trip to Wembley but before that we struggled across the Club for two seasons and we have been patchy at best since. Post the first promotion we never really capitalised on the energy and belief and we went on to make a number of poor decisions which ultimately failed. We got relegated again, made some quick fixes, won promotion, again via the playoffs, made all the same mistakes all over again and now look destined to start all over. As cv's go over a seven year period it's not great and until we get settled and set a tone we want to follow for at least ten years I think the cycle will continue. It's a shame Anderson is probably off as in him I see the first captain in years and a combination of Cookie and Hangaland. However that success cannot balance the pitiful recruitment since 13/14 and we still don't have a full squad, or at least 14/15 players, of high quality that have played together for more than a season. On that basis being back in the Championship kind of serves us right so we cannot really moan about it, just brace ourselves.
Cue 15 points then.
It will take at least 3 seasons to get back into the frame for promotion to the prem.
FFP being an issue. Perhaps the championship is where Fulham should be, alongside the likes of Sheffield Utd, wba etc. Norwich will be in championship again 22/23 season.
You might be right but I fancy Norwich to be the next Bournemouth. Peeku is their Mitro and it might or might not work but the Manager has a plan and a philosophy and the Chairman has said he is better prepared, has learnt from the mistakes and will "arm" the squad this season. My son has contacts at the Uni and says there is a massive buzz about the place and tickets are scarcer than rocking horse Pooh.
Quote from: humphrey on April 22, 2021, 07:54:44 AM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on April 21, 2021, 09:48:05 PM
I am not so sure anybody really embraces the Championship but since relegation in season 13/14 we have never really got to grips with a long term plan to make us even remotely competitive in a higher league. I emphasise a long term plan as many on here still salivate over the first trip to Wembley but before that we struggled across the Club for two seasons and we have been patchy at best since. Post the first promotion we never really capitalised on the energy and belief and we went on to make a number of poor decisions which ultimately failed. We got relegated again, made some quick fixes, won promotion, again via the playoffs, made all the same mistakes all over again and now look destined to start all over. As cv's go over a seven year period it's not great and until we get settled and set a tone we want to follow for at least ten years I think the cycle will continue. It's a shame Anderson is probably off as in him I see the first captain in years and a combination of Cookie and Hangaland. However that success cannot balance the pitiful recruitment since 13/14 and we still don't have a full squad, or at least 14/15 players, of high quality that have played together for more than a season. On that basis being back in the Championship kind of serves us right so we cannot really moan about it, just brace ourselves.
Cue 15 points then.
It will take at least 3 seasons to get back into the frame for promotion to the prem.
FFP being an issue. Perhaps the championship is where Fulham should be, alongside the likes of Sheffield Utd, wba etc. Norwich will be in championship again 22/23 season.
Exactly almost to the word what was said last time and we came straight back up
Quote from: JoelH5 on April 22, 2021, 01:23:15 PM
Quote from: humphrey on April 22, 2021, 07:54:44 AM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on April 21, 2021, 09:48:05 PM
I am not so sure anybody really embraces the Championship but since relegation in season 13/14 we have never really got to grips with a long term plan to make us even remotely competitive in a higher league. I emphasise a long term plan as many on here still salivate over the first trip to Wembley but before that we struggled across the Club for two seasons and we have been patchy at best since. Post the first promotion we never really capitalised on the energy and belief and we went on to make a number of poor decisions which ultimately failed. We got relegated again, made some quick fixes, won promotion, again via the playoffs, made all the same mistakes all over again and now look destined to start all over. As cv's go over a seven year period it's not great and until we get settled and set a tone we want to follow for at least ten years I think the cycle will continue. It's a shame Anderson is probably off as in him I see the first captain in years and a combination of Cookie and Hangaland. However that success cannot balance the pitiful recruitment since 13/14 and we still don't have a full squad, or at least 14/15 players, of high quality that have played together for more than a season. On that basis being back in the Championship kind of serves us right so we cannot really moan about it, just brace ourselves.
Cue 15 points then.
It will take at least 3 seasons to get back into the frame for promotion to the prem.
FFP being an issue. Perhaps the championship is where Fulham should be, alongside the likes of Sheffield Utd, wba etc. Norwich will be in championship again 22/23 season.
Exactly almost to the word what was said last time and we came straight back up
Well in that case lucky us but with the players we will probably have staying on and the scatter gun recruitment it will only end in tears again. I wonder if any of the better loanees will be persuaded to give it a go.
i cant understand this premiership or nothing mentality with some fans.
happy to watch a season of struggle with maybe only a handfull of wins and 4-0 hammerings possible every game compared to the chance of winning the title sweeping teams aside with stylish 4-0 plus victories
the prem for fulham is almost like sending your 10 year old son into the ring v tyson.
Quote from: TC's Sporran on April 22, 2021, 08:29:29 PM
i cant understand this premiership or nothing mentality with some fans.
happy to watch a season of struggle with maybe only a handfull of wins and 4-0 hammerings possible every game compared to the chance of winning the title sweeping teams aside with stylish 4-0 plus victories
the prem for fulham is almost like sending your 10 year old son into the ring v tyson.
And the championship is like sending him into the ring against a one legged duck. We know which scenario makes him the better boxer in the long run! ;)
The Ch. is more of an equal playing field - teams like Fulham are always going to struggle to compete against the likes of Man U, City etc, with their massive resources.
It wasn't like this in the old First division, pre-Prem and Sky days - the gulf wasn't nearly as great.
When me and mates used to go to Fulham one week, Chelsea the next in the 60's, there wasn't reallly seen as being much difference in quality and aspiration between the two clubs. If you said you supported Fulham, not Chelsea, noone would raise their eyebrows.
Quote from: humphrey on April 22, 2021, 07:54:44 AM
It will take at least 3 seasons to get back into the frame for promotion to the prem.
FFP being an issue. Perhaps the championship is where Fulham should be, alongside the likes of Sheffield Utd, wba etc. Norwich will be in championship again 22/23 season.
We do it in the next two years or else we don't challenge for a generation most likely:
We should have a strong squad for the next two years provided DoF doesn't take any stupid risks. If we can sell Anguissa for £20m+ we are sorted FFP-wise for next year, and then the season after, the £15m drop in parachute payments is almost entirely accounted for by the end of Seri and Mawson's contracts and transfer amort. Two really good swings, basically. And it's going to be a weak league next year, especially if Bournemouth are the third promoted team.
After that we have to face a £30m drop in annual revenues, which will see us in the same predicament as every other poorly run, former Premiership club floating fecklessly around the Championship and League One, unless the new stand massively grows our turnover.
Quote from: Caedal on April 21, 2021, 08:29:21 PM
Genuine question, for the people who are saying they prefer football in the championship. If we only win 5 games next season and get relegated playing Parker's depressing brand of football, will that be enjoyable? I think alot of this obsession with the championship is an assumption that we're going to be good when we go down, and win lots of games. That is by no means a guarantee, especially when we're losing a billion players from the first team squad in the summer.
Personally during the fanless covid era and with the addition of VAR the majority of games have been very poor to watch generally
great point
I can relate. It's more that it feels like such a long and arduous grind, combined with the difficulty of being able to watch games (more midweek, hard to find streams, rarely on TV etc)
But a lot more wins, has to be entertaining - when did anyone feel entertained after seeing Fulham hammered or conceding a last minute winner for the opposition.
Also, cheaper tickets, more games, including midweek, and a longer season, is a plus for a lot of people, though a downside is less TV coverage.
But I want us to stay up, though, and it's always the goal to be in the Prem, testing yourself against the very best, if you can bring it off with resources of teams like Fulham.
Though IF FFP is scrapped, as reported, that could make a lot of difference to us, while the Khans are owners.
And, for those who criticise Parker, remember that Slav and Tigana both failed to achieve in the Prem, and were sacked when relegation looked imminent.
OK, it again looks imminent, but we have come back from the dead to give ourselves a good chance, which we could have blown I admit, but we are still just about in touch, though it's not entirely in our hands now.
Quote from: TC's Sporran on April 22, 2021, 08:29:29 PM
i cant understand this premiership or nothing mentality with some fans.
happy to watch a season of struggle with maybe only a handfull of wins and 4-0 hammerings possible every game compared to the chance of winning the title sweeping teams aside with stylish 4-0 plus victories
the prem for fulham is almost like sending your 10 year old son into the ring v tyson.
It's about aspiration and ambition. It's about striving to be the very best that you can.
All things are possible. Just take a look at Leicester's recent/current achievements. Remember the Europa League Final ? It doesn't have to be doom and gloom. Just because things aren't all rosey today it doesn't mean it always has to be that way.
Quote from: ron on April 21, 2021, 02:59:48 PM
Saying the championship is depressing doesn't say much for leagues 1 & 2, and those further down the pyramid.Those clubs provide pleasure and joy for tens of thousands of fans with a lot less to attract them than the Championship. Perhaps beauty really is in the eye of the beholder after all.
+1
Can't wait till fixture release day tbh. Some class away days and we'll actually win more than lose games
Keep the faith, it's a mountain to climb, but potentially could get a bit more steeper after this weekend's fixtures.
Quote from: Fulhamfan666 on April 24, 2021, 09:43:22 AM
Can't wait till fixture release day tbh. Some class away days and we'll actually win more than lose games
Will we? and you know that how.
Quote from: Caedal on April 21, 2021, 08:29:21 PM
Personally during the fanless covid era and with the addition of VAR the majority of games have been very poor to watch generally
Football during this covid period is really something to look at, especially a team such as FFC. If there were ever a season in which to survive, it is THIS season. No fans, no real home field advantage to speak of. Favors, in my view, smaller and weaker clubs. Kind of levels the playing field, especially when playing on the road. Just a shame FFC is not gonna take 'advantage' of this peculiar circumstance.
Quote from: Lighthouse on April 20, 2021, 11:23:57 PM
Oddly enough playing against the so called big clubs used to be exciting. Fancy little Fulham winning at Old Trafford. But now the big clubs no longer feel as big as they once did. We don't feel as big as we were when we had our 13 season or whatever it was spell in the Prem. Football and the big clubs no longer hold the same fascination.
The Championship just feels like a mixture of the honest week in week out struggle and roller coaster ride that football used to feel like. It just feels less fraudulent. Does that make sense? So going to the Championship, promotion is the aim but we have become a yoyo club so the struggle and the journey is always more entertaining than the final destination.
Quote from: KingofCheese on April 21, 2021, 08:27:40 AM
To be honest I find both depressing and enjoyable for different reasons - in the Championship we have a chance to win the League but it is a long hard slog, in the Premier League, yes it is great to win against so called "big clubs" (and Spurs) but it is depressing that we are competing against what are effectively rich corporations or rich countries "national" teams.
I broadly agree with both of these.
As LH said, the thought of us winning at United is excited, though as KoC points out, those top clubs are often considered out of reach as they are no longer just Prem League teams, but corporations with the façade of footie teams, though a win against them does bring on a hefty dollop of pride, no doubt.
The Fizzy league, to me, is more honest, more of a level playing field, where it's more down in the trenches and tough. Of course I would rather we played forever in the top league, but I accept we are not at that level, and I honestly cannot see it in the near future, though, unlike others on this board, I'm not as certain as to what the real deep-seated problems are.
At least in the championship we aren't treated in a condescending nature by pundits and plastic supporters as a team that's there to make it the numbers and should be happy to be taking part like we are in the PL
Quote from: Deeping_white on April 24, 2021, 10:00:25 PM
At least in the championship we aren't treated in a condescending nature by pundits and plastic supporters as a team that's there to make it the numbers and should be happy to be taking part like we are in the PL
Don't you mean grateful for being allowed to visit the grand dining table to receive scraps? :005:
Agree with you, sometimes the commentators, especially the NBC ones (Arlo White, et al.), make me feel just like that, and when we - God forbid - actually get a point , or three, against an established team, then oppos were obviously tired, injury-hit, not on their game today, or some other excuse, but rarely because we actually played well enough to earn the point(s)
Quote from: JoelH5 on April 22, 2021, 08:53:50 PM
Quote from: TC's Sporran on April 22, 2021, 08:29:29 PM
i cant understand this premiership or nothing mentality with some fans.
happy to watch a season of struggle with maybe only a handfull of wins and 4-0 hammerings possible every game compared to the chance of winning the title sweeping teams aside with stylish 4-0 plus victories
the prem for fulham is almost like sending your 10 year old son into the ring v tyson.
And the championship is like sending him into the ring against a one legged duck. We know which scenario makes him the better boxer in the long run! ;)
not if he spends all his time on the floor like fulham. funny how you think the championship is like a one legged duck yet quite a few on this thread say we have no chance of promotion from it next season.
so what are we now not a young kid but a leggless duck?
and you want to pit that against tyson?
getting beaten almost everyweek does no good for the teams confidence. however get into winning ways in the championship and with a tiny bit of luck and a good coach you can carry it on into the prem. look at leeds and villa this season and sheff u last season and no doubt many others.
its better to win than lose. i'd sooner see wins and entertaining feelgood performances.
and if the team is only of a std that means this has to happen in a lower league than so be it.
im no snob. i'd watch fulham in league 2.
this doesnt mean i dont want to see victories against liverpool. but sitting through a season of despair and gloom isnt worth it for me, just for two or three days out in the sun.
Honestly don't care what league we're in, more interested in watching our team & club as a whole improve.....had 2 seasons of very average football....I liked the Joka style of football, and hoped we'd grow in that direction
If the worst happens, I'll hopefully look forward to a couple of fairly near new grounds, Peterborough & Oxford United. Although, I'm hoping the trip to Oxford's newish ground isn't as lively as visits to their old ground.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on April 25, 2021, 05:59:36 PM
Honestly don't care what league we're in, more interested in watching our team & club as a whole improve.....had 2 seasons of very average football....I liked the Joka style of football, and hoped we'd grow in that direction
+1
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But the Slav style wasn't successful in the Prem, with the players we had, eg trying to take the game to City away, and conceding in the first three minutes; and nor was Tigana's with the team we had, though he lasted into a second season - though both impressed in the Championship, with us storming it under Tigana, with MAF's backing, and the unbeaten run under Slav, playing scintillating attacking football under both men.
But our most successful Prem managers, making the top 10 - which now seems an impossible dream, have been Roy, Coleman and Hughes.
I think teams like Fulham do need a sound defence as foundation in the Prem, but also have to score goals too, obviously - you need that balance.
We managed to get the defence right under Scott, with impressive acquisitions after the season has started and we were getting hammered every game, but not the attack.
Parker is criticised, but do we have the players up front , to score enough in the Prem?
But manager and team did well to claw their way back into contention for staying up, which makes what happened even more hard to take maybe, though we still have slim, if unlikely, chance, with 5 games left, but 7 points behind.
COYW
Who in the hell seriously wants to be in the chumpship.🙄🙄
The only consolation hopefully will be playing in front of fans.
