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Title: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Blawarmy on May 11, 2021, 05:43:26 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11681/12303683/fulham-to-back-scott-parker-with-funds-as-club-targets-immediate-premier-league-return

Fulham to back Scott Parker with funds as club targets immediate Premier League return
Fulham were relegated for the second time in three years on Monday night following a 2-0 defeat at home to Burnley; The club will conduct a review, as with every season, to identify areas where club needs improving
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Robbie on May 11, 2021, 06:30:38 PM
On balance good news. This season has been so strange and challenging that I think it is fair to give SP another go. Need some young hungry Championship or League One hopefuls.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: rebel on May 11, 2021, 06:46:44 PM
Hopefully 'Parkerball' has some much needed forward thrust.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Blawarmy on May 11, 2021, 06:47:50 PM
Quote from: rebel on May 11, 2021, 06:46:44 PM
Hopefully 'Parkerball' has some much needed forward thrust.

A couple of pacey forwards who can hit the net would be nice
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: FulhamStu on May 11, 2021, 06:51:32 PM
I would be happy to see a new manager largely because the football Parker's teams have played is not direct enough with too much messing about at the back, that said, keeping Parker is probably the best way to retain our better players,  Mitro aside.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Andyb on May 11, 2021, 06:52:25 PM
Need two wingers and a striker 🤞🤞
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: rebel on May 11, 2021, 07:06:56 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on May 11, 2021, 06:51:32 PM
I would be happy to see a new manager largely because the football Parker's teams have played is not direct enough with too much messing about at the back, that said, keeping Parker is probably the best way to retain our better players,  Mitro aside.

We give 'opposition' teams time to reset, all the slow passing 'back and forth' falls 'straight into their hands'.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: sarnian on May 11, 2021, 07:09:09 PM
Has TK spoken to Sky or is this media speculation as usual
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: PaulJ123 on May 11, 2021, 07:11:52 PM
Please no :012: :012:

I don't get this unwavering commitment to him! He hasn't done the job he's employed for and played awful football doing so.

Do we think if we were say safe in 12th and Spurs came in for him, he'd turn them down? Absolutely not because the business is ruthless and I truly believe if he was sacked at Christmas, we'd have stayed up.

I'm all for stability but not at the cost of enjoyment.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Dodger53 on May 11, 2021, 07:36:15 PM
We need to know if TK signed players or renewed contracts without Scott's ok.
Last year Scott's persistence with josh onomah was a mistake, he did the same thing this year with Ruben. Does Scott know what a Premier league player looks like? I am beginning to doubt it. Not sure why I included 'beginning to'.
Why renew so many from last year, so many most on here knew were not good enough.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: fcfulham55 on May 11, 2021, 07:44:46 PM
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Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Nero on May 11, 2021, 07:54:35 PM
Quote from: Dodger53 on May 11, 2021, 07:36:15 PM
We need to know if TK signed players or renewed contracts without Scott's ok.
Last year Scott's persistence with josh onomah was a mistake, he did the same thing this year with Ruben. Does Scott know what a Premier league player looks like? I am beginning to doubt it. Not sure why I included 'beginning to'.
Why renew so many from last year, so many most on here knew were not good enough.

Think we can be sure he hasn't signed any player without Scott knowing so as I think all the transfer in had videos saying Scott had spoken to them.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: MJG on May 11, 2021, 08:05:04 PM
Anyone who has read the Atlantic article from this morning will see that vast majority of that has been taken out, slightly edited and posted as Sky's own work.
Nothing new in it.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: JoelH5 on May 11, 2021, 08:10:27 PM
I'm not sure if SP is a good manager or not. What I do know for certain though is the club needs stability, desperately. It's probably the right decision
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: JoelH5 on May 11, 2021, 08:13:51 PM
I've read the whole article. Where does it say he's confirmed as staying? Maybe I missed it. Doubt he'd turn down the Spurs job for us.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Nero on May 11, 2021, 08:14:22 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 11, 2021, 08:10:27 PM
I'm not sure if SP is a good manager or not. What I do know for certain though is the club needs stability, desperately. It's probably the right decision

A bit like the wife keeping her husband after cheating for the good of the kids, they think it's a good idea be in reality it isnt
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Jules on May 11, 2021, 10:00:40 PM
The last 7 games have been horrible. One point from 21. I would like to see a change now. Clean slate. New manager and ideally Shahid to appoint a new DoF as well.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Fulham Tup North on May 11, 2021, 10:01:28 PM
Quote from: Nero on May 11, 2021, 08:14:22 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on May 11, 2021, 08:10:27 PM
I'm not sure if SP is a good manager or not. What I do know for certain though is the club needs stability, desperately. It's probably the right decision

A bit like the wife keeping her husband after cheating for the good of the kids, they think it's a good idea be in reality it isnt
Perfect analogy 👌
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Andy S on May 11, 2021, 10:10:38 PM
Jesus Mary Joseph and the wee donkey
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: blingo on May 11, 2021, 10:20:44 PM
GOD HELP US
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Plodder on May 11, 2021, 10:31:31 PM
I think keeping him in post is the correct decision. Every manager gets sacked or leaves eventually, but I don't think now is the right time for a change of manager.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Asotosyios on May 11, 2021, 10:43:04 PM
I would be very surprised to see Parker leave, especially after signing a new 3-year contract at the start of the season. I could only see him leaving only if Tottenham made an approach for him, which would be even more surprising than him being sacked.

From what I read, he has a great relationship with TK and is actively involved in selecting the transfer targets. That was the case last year in the Championship, when all our recruits were players that had experience in the Championship and knew the division, and also this year when a lot of players admitted that they had spoken to Parker prior to joining.

It will be interesting to see his tactics next year - do we go back to inverted wingers or play 3-4-3? Also interesting to see the new forward that Parker will select to replace Mitrovic and how he will do - comparisons will be inevitable.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Lyle from Hangeland on May 11, 2021, 11:11:07 PM
Quote from: Robbie on May 11, 2021, 06:30:38 PM
On balance good news. This season has been so strange and challenging that I think it is fair to give SP another go. Need some young hungry Championship or League One hopefuls.

I agree. The football community likes Parker and we should allow him to build something at Fulham. Chopping and changing won't cut it.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Matt10 on May 11, 2021, 11:14:12 PM
The season's over, so I am now in 21/20 mode. If Parker is in fact staying, then so be it. Mitro will be gone, so we'll have to see how that plays out. I've said my peace with Parker this season, so it's time to move on. I'm not 100% forgiving him, if at all, but I accept the reality. It's good to have a manager invested in the club, maybe, just maybe, he'll get some buy in from our loan players - who can regroup their confidence.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: perry geyton on May 11, 2021, 11:18:31 PM
Quote from: Andyb on May 11, 2021, 06:52:25 PM
Need two wingers and a striker 🤞🤞
And a manager that knows how's to play positive attacking Non sideways football
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Zoppa77 on May 12, 2021, 12:56:12 AM
Nowhere does it say staying confirmed. Can't let that get in the way of a story though.
Please make it end. Our football is dull, slow, negative, boring etc. 46 games of this next season is not acceptable. I can't understand the fear of 'losing' SP.  I'm confident if Spuds came calling (they will not) he would walk away from FFC. Two years is sufficient time to judge a managers credentials & ability. We are going backwards (no joke intended) with our play. Time for change PLEASE.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: FFC In Oz on May 12, 2021, 05:13:24 AM
Quote from: Plodder on May 11, 2021, 10:31:31 PM
I think keeping him in post is the correct decision. Every manager gets sacked or leaves eventually, but I don't think now is the right time for a change of manager.

I wonder if people will still be saying this when we're 20th in the Championship in December
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Craven Mad on May 12, 2021, 06:17:43 AM
Somewhat disappointing if true. I can only hope that Scott learns from this season's failures and realised that successful teams these days are attacking, energetic and dynamic.

Please, for the love of god, Scott, just stop the endless sideways passing...
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: RoyTund on May 12, 2021, 08:13:08 AM
Why would you confirm he is staying before the review? Kind of missing the point.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: I Ronic on May 12, 2021, 08:25:11 AM
All this talk of sideways play. I remember a lot of sideways play with Roy. Lots of possession in the first two thirds.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: rebel on May 12, 2021, 08:46:38 AM
Quote from: I Ronic on May 12, 2021, 08:25:11 AM
All this talk of sideways play. I remember a lot of sideways play with Roy. Lots of possession in the first two thirds.

Yep, that got us to the Europa League Final 2010. Parker's 'Parkerball' is passing without purpose. 
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Craven Mad on May 12, 2021, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: rebel on May 12, 2021, 08:46:38 AM
Quote from: I Ronic on May 12, 2021, 08:25:11 AM
All this talk of sideways play. I remember a lot of sideways play with Roy. Lots of possession in the first two thirds.

Yep, that got us to the Europa League Final 2010. Parker's 'Parkerball' is passing without purpose. 

Exactly! Under Roy we played with 2 strikers (AJ/Zamora) and inverted winders who knew how to shoot (eg Duff/Davies), fullbacks who'd provide a crossing option for the inverted wingers (Konch/Reither)as well as a pivoting CM pairing comprised of one CM who was creative (Murphy) and the other an enforcer (Etuhu).

Roy knew how to create a well-balanced and dynamic team.

Under Scott, we have wingers AND, for some reason, overlapping fullbacks that  all hug the line but can't shoot/cross, a single striker who's miles away from anyone else, and a deep central midfield 3 all of whom are DMs. It's a mess and clearly won't result in goals.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: The Cravenette on May 12, 2021, 10:01:31 AM
Quote from: Matt10 on May 11, 2021, 11:14:12 PM
The season's over, so I am now in 21/20 mode. If Parker is in fact staying, then so be it. Mitro will be gone, so we'll have to see how that plays out. I've said my peace with Parker this season, so it's time to move on. I'm not 100% forgiving him, if at all, but I accept the reality. It's good to have a manager invested in the club, maybe, just maybe, he'll get some buy in from our loan players - who can regroup their confidence.

Good post.  I have absolutely had it with Parkerball this (and last season) but the players and media seem to have a lot of respect for him.  It is a conundrum as I don't like getting rid of managers everytime something goes wrong.  And boy has it gone wrong. 

The thing with Scott is he does talk well and show passion after games.  He clearly wants Fulham to do well but.....his style of football and apparant lack of knowing how to make positive changes to matches when things are not working is so frustrating.

If he goes, he goes I just hope we bring in someone decent.  If he does stay then I will have to accept it.  I support Fulham, the club and will do whoever is in charge.  I just hope if he does stay he has learnt from this season and he gets in the players we need both for promotion and for staying in the Prem.  And remembers the idea of the game is to score more goals than the opposition.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Lambo on May 12, 2021, 10:15:22 AM
The thought of sideways and back football for another 12 months.  :012: :012: :012:
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: LittleErn on May 12, 2021, 05:08:39 PM
Parker has a lot of faults in my opinion. He shows no drive or ambition either in his style of football or on his interviews. He dwells on the difficulty of upcoming games and the strength of the opposition when he should be instilling confidence in our players that they are better than the opposition. His substitutions have been poor all season, especially their timing. Have substitutions ever changed a game in our favour? He has persevered with players who were clearly not performing.  I'm sure there are worse managers out there but there are also a lot better. Keep him until we find the right man, but start the search now.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: fcfulham55 on May 12, 2021, 05:28:44 PM
Quote from: Lambo on May 12, 2021, 10:15:22 AM
The thought of sideways and back football for another 12 months.  :012: :012: :012:

😥

Would take survival right now.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: The Rock on May 12, 2021, 05:37:00 PM
Parker is a fine manager. If he went to Spurs I bet he could keep them up.

Raneiri was a fine manager. He won something called the Premier League with Leicester.

SJ was a fine manager etc. etc. etc.

Sure they could all do better and have their faults, but their portion of deserved blame for results should be pretty minimal. Amazing so many people put all the blame on Parker.

Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: I Ronic on May 12, 2021, 06:50:11 PM
Quote from: Craven Mad on May 12, 2021, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: rebel on May 12, 2021, 08:46:38 AM
Quote from: I Ronic on May 12, 2021, 08:25:11 AM
All this talk of sideways play. I remember a lot of sideways play with Roy. Lots of possession in the first two thirds.

Yep, that got us to the Europa League Final 2010. Parker's 'Parkerball' is passing without purpose. 

Exactly! Under Roy we played with 2 strikers (AJ/Zamora) and inverted winders who knew how to shoot (eg Duff/Davies), fullbacks who'd provide a crossing option for the inverted wingers (Konch/Reither)as well as a pivoting CM pairing comprised of one CM who was creative (Murphy) and the other an enforcer (Etuhu).

Roy knew how to create a well-balanced and dynamic team.

Under Scott, we have wingers AND, for some reason, overlapping fullbacks that  all hug the line but can't shoot/cross, a single striker who's miles away from anyone else, and a deep central midfield 3 all of whom are DMs. It's a mess and clearly won't result in goals.

Reither never played under Roy and Andy Johnson's goals per game in a Fulham shirt was about one in ten. It was Johnsons injury in the early rounds of the Europa which lead to Zolly getting more game time and providing Zamora with more scoring chances up till then he really wasn't doing that well.
I'm not rubbishing Roy they were great years but the build up was very slow and usually broke down between the second and third thirds.
I don't believe Konch's crossing was all that great either but I was never a fan of his so maybe that's colouring my view of his ability to cross a ball.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: 3 Cherries on May 12, 2021, 07:17:34 PM
Pure gossip - nothing has been confirmed by TK or FFC

IMO Scotty should walk as most of us want to see a fresh face/ideas/tactics (shame TK can't go too)

Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: MartyFFC on May 12, 2021, 07:41:26 PM
Poor journalism as per usual from Sky. I've read it 3 times and in no shape or form has anything been confirmed. I reckon Parker is sending flirty texts to Levy 24/7
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Jules on May 12, 2021, 08:37:56 PM
I agree with others on here. Nowhere in the article does it state Parker has been confirmed as our manager next season by anyone at the club. In fact, Parker's refusal to answer questions about his future may be pointing to uncertainty over whether indeed he is staying. Also the reference to 'big decisions' needing to be made is also cryptic in the same way.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Lyle from Hangeland on May 13, 2021, 12:23:09 AM
Quote from: The Rock on May 12, 2021, 05:37:00 PM
Parker is a fine manager. If he went to Spurs I bet he could keep them up.

Raneiri was a fine manager. He won something called the Premier League with Leicester.

SJ was a fine manager etc. etc. etc.

Sure they could all do better and have their faults, but their portion of deserved blame for results should be pretty minimal. Amazing so many people put all the blame on Parker.

Well said!
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: FFC In Oz on May 13, 2021, 03:33:09 AM
Quote from: Craven Mad on May 12, 2021, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: rebel on May 12, 2021, 08:46:38 AM
Quote from: I Ronic on May 12, 2021, 08:25:11 AM
All this talk of sideways play. I remember a lot of sideways play with Roy. Lots of possession in the first two thirds.

Yep, that got us to the Europa League Final 2010. Parker's 'Parkerball' is passing without purpose. 

Exactly! Under Roy we played with 2 strikers (AJ/Zamora) and inverted winders who knew how to shoot (eg Duff/Davies), fullbacks who'd provide a crossing option for the inverted wingers (Konch/Reither)as well as a pivoting CM pairing comprised of one CM who was creative (Murphy) and the other an enforcer (Etuhu).

Roy knew how to create a well-balanced and dynamic team.

Under Scott, we have wingers AND, for some reason, overlapping fullbacks that  all hug the line but can't shoot/cross, a single striker who's miles away from anyone else, and a deep central midfield 3 all of whom are DMs. It's a mess and clearly won't result in goals.

Sums up the situation in a nutshell.

Midfielders stick too close to the defence and leave the striker isolated.   There's no cohesion in transition, no dynamic patterns of play.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: The Rational Fan on May 13, 2021, 04:10:49 AM
Quote from: Craven Mad on May 12, 2021, 09:44:15 AM
Under Scott, we have wingers AND, overlapping fullbacks that all hug the line but can't cross, a single striker who's miles away from anyone else, and a deep central midfield 3 all of whom are DMs. It clearly won't result in goals.

A good summary of the problems, but it fails to realize that Parker had a plan and due to fine margins failed. This year's plan depended on Mitrovic being in fine form and finishing his chances, plus RLC adding a little bit of quality. No one would have thought Fulham would have gone this close if Mitrovic, RLC, and Cairney contributed very little. 

Even so, if FFC had scored all their penalties, then we would have been at 32 points now. Plus, if Lookman and Maja and took their chances against Brighton and Palace, then FFC would be 36 points (with Southampton, ManU, and Newcastle to play) and Brighton at 35 points (with West Ham, Man City and Arsenal to play). 

Last season the goal was 93 points and winning the championship. This season the goal was 38 points and staying up. It looks like we missed by less points this season that last season (12 points compared to 5-11 points).
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: RaySmith on May 13, 2021, 05:04:25 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 13, 2021, 04:10:49 AM
Quote from: Craven Mad on May 12, 2021, 09:44:15 AM
Under Scott, we have wingers AND, overlapping fullbacks that all hug the line but can't cross, a single striker who's miles away from anyone else, and a deep central midfield 3 all of whom are DMs. It clearly won't result in goals.

A good summary of the problems, but it fails to realize that Parker had a plan and due to fine margins failed. This year's plan depended on Mitrovic being in fine form and finishing his chances, plus RLC adding a little bit of quality. No one would have thought Fulham would have gone this close if Mitrovic, RLC, and Cairney contributed very little. 

Even so, if FFC had scored all their penalties, then we would have been at 32 points now. Plus, if Lookman and Maja and took their chances against Brighton and Palace, then FFC would be 36 points (with Southampton, ManU, and Newcastle to play) and Brighton at 35 points (with West Ham, Man City and Arsenal to play). 

Last season the goal was 93 points and winning the championship. This season the goal was 38 points and staying up. It looks like we missed by less points this season that last season (12 points compared to 5-11 points).

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And then you can add on all the terrible ref decisions that have cost us at least 5 points.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: MJG on May 13, 2021, 05:54:29 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 13, 2021, 04:10:49 AM
Quote from: Craven Mad on May 12, 2021, 09:44:15 AM
Under Scott, we have wingers AND, overlapping fullbacks that all hug the line but can't cross, a single striker who's miles away from anyone else, and a deep central midfield 3 all of whom are DMs. It clearly won't result in goals.

A good summary of the problems, but it fails to realize that Parker had a plan and due to fine margins failed. This year's plan depended on Mitrovic being in fine form and finishing his chances, plus RLC adding a little bit of quality. No one would have thought Fulham would have gone this close if Mitrovic, RLC, and Cairney contributed very little. 

Even so, if FFC had scored all their penalties, then we would have been at 32 points now. Plus, if Lookman and Maja and took their chances against Brighton and Palace, then FFC would be 36 points (with Southampton, ManU, and Newcastle to play) and Brighton at 35 points (with West Ham, Man City and Arsenal to play). 

Last season the goal was 93 points and winning the championship. This season the goal was 38 points and staying up. It looks like we missed by less points this season that last season (12 points compared to 5-11 points).
and if at times our keeper had flapped and missed a save, or a defender a last minute block on the goal line some of those points would have gone.
Over a season with all the ups and downs we are where we deserve to be.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: The Rational Fan on May 13, 2021, 06:22:11 AM
Quote from: MJG on May 13, 2021, 05:54:29 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 13, 2021, 04:10:49 AM
Quote from: Craven Mad on May 12, 2021, 09:44:15 AM
Under Scott, we have wingers AND, overlapping fullbacks that all hug the line but can't cross, a single striker who's miles away from anyone else, and a deep central midfield 3 all of whom are DMs. It clearly won't result in goals.

A good summary of the problems, but it fails to realize that Parker had a plan and due to fine margins failed. This year's plan depended on Mitrovic being in fine form and finishing his chances, plus RLC adding a little bit of quality. No one would have thought Fulham would have gone this close if Mitrovic, RLC, and Cairney contributed very little. 

Even so, if FFC had scored all their penalties, then we would have been at 32 points now. Plus, if Lookman and Maja and took their chances against Brighton and Palace, then FFC would be 36 points (with Southampton, ManU, and Newcastle to play) and Brighton at 35 points (with West Ham, Man City and Arsenal to play). 

Last season the goal was 93 points and winning the championship. This season the goal was 38 points and staying up. It looks like we missed by less points this season that last season (12 points compared to 5-11 points).
and if at times our keeper had flapped and missed a save, or a defender a last minute block on the goal line some of those points would have gone. Over a season with all the ups and downs we are where we deserve to be.

Scott Parker's plan nearly worked, 32 points is where we would be hitting penalties alone. Now, fans want to "throw the baby out with the bathwater", when perhaps all we needed was i) a more cohesive team, ii) better penalty taker and iii) a better right-winger. If FFC can get promoted again, then those three issues are easy to fix upon the next promotion. Every team promoted from the championship has a few holes to fill look a Aston Villa.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Asotosyios on May 13, 2021, 07:01:51 AM


Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 13, 2021, 06:22:11 AM
Quote from: MJG on May 13, 2021, 05:54:29 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 13, 2021, 04:10:49 AM
Quote from: Craven Mad on May 12, 2021, 09:44:15 AM
Under Scott, we have wingers AND, overlapping fullbacks that all hug the line but can't cross, a single striker who's miles away from anyone else, and a deep central midfield 3 all of whom are DMs. It clearly won't result in goals.

A good summary of the problems, but it fails to realize that Parker had a plan and due to fine margins failed. This year's plan depended on Mitrovic being in fine form and finishing his chances, plus RLC adding a little bit of quality. No one would have thought Fulham would have gone this close if Mitrovic, RLC, and Cairney contributed very little. 

Even so, if FFC had scored all their penalties, then we would have been at 32 points now. Plus, if Lookman and Maja and took their chances against Brighton and Palace, then FFC would be 36 points (with Southampton, ManU, and Newcastle to play) and Brighton at 35 points (with West Ham, Man City and Arsenal to play). 

Last season the goal was 93 points and winning the championship. This season the goal was 38 points and staying up. It looks like we missed by less points this season that last season (12 points compared to 5-11 points).
and if at times our keeper had flapped and missed a save, or a defender a last minute block on the goal line some of those points would have gone. Over a season with all the ups and downs we are where we deserve to be.

Scott Parker's plan nearly worked, 32 points is where we would be hitting penalties alone. Now, fans want to "throw the baby out with the bathwater", when perhaps all we needed was i) a more cohesive team, ii) better penalty taker and iii) a better right-winger. If FFC can get promoted again, then those three issues are easy to fix upon the next promotion. Every team promoted from the championship has a few holes to fill look a Aston Villa.

Apologies if I missed it during the season, but can you please describe/explain Parker's plan and how it nearly worked?

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Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: The Rational Fan on May 13, 2021, 07:37:23 AM
Quote from: Asotosyios on May 13, 2021, 07:01:51 AM
Can you please explain Parker's plan?

Parker's plan was to get a point per game i) by defending, ii) keeping clean sheets, iii) score our easy chances such as penalties, iv) to RLC/Lookman provide some quality chances and v) for Mitro to score 8-10 goals.

Quote from: Asotosyios on May 13, 2021, 07:01:51 AM
Can you please explain how it nearly worked?

Defense and clean sheets worked as planned. If we scored our penalities, then 32 points in 35 games.
Both Brighton Games were 0-0 draws, we could have scored in both games, making it a different season.

Our best five attacking players all have reasons for a poor season. 1,2,3) Lookman, Anguissa, and Mitro caught covid came back playing poorly; 4) RLC never really recovered from injury, and 5) Cairney was mostly injured. Most teams in the bottom half would get relegated if their best five attacking players were injured for half a season each.

Nothing wrong with the plan, we didn't get the few extra points required. Let's get promoted and do better.

If you rip up the current plan, then try another plan there is no guarantee it's better. Repeat this plan a little better and  FFC will end up 17th in the EPL within two to three seasons. We are well positioned to get promoted again, and that is really all FFC need to do in the next year.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: clarkey on May 13, 2021, 08:23:03 AM
We would not be throwing the baby out with the bath water. The water is dirty because of the baby who can't select an attacking team to save his life.

Because of the FP rules, let's not spend on players but on a really good , tried and tested manager OR get in Roy as Dof F and have a brilliant young coach under him.There are many many options out there. We might have missed Ediie Howe and Lampard but there are loads of good coaches available.Roy would steady the ship, provide great influence in the transfer market and show the sort of tactical ability we have missed.

Someone earlier pointed out how we break so slowly out of defence, it is one of the key reasons we have failed to score.Parker inhibited his players.

Parker's tactics and selection has been woeful. I really hope he goes to Spurs. But most of asll he is not a Fulham style of manager, his season in the Championship was really bad.I watched every single game at home and he never varied things, never changed a game, his subbing was slow and bad (like Monday at half time 2-0 down in amust win game NO Changes !!!) come on he has been terrible.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: bobby01 on May 13, 2021, 09:50:13 AM
Sorry rational but for someone who researches well the above does not really make sense to me. The overriding point is if we scored our penalties we would be okay, that is presuming the other team would not react differently and play differently.
I do not believe Parker's intention was a point a game, I believe, rightly or wrongly, we play in his image, keep the ball even if we go nowhere, and his major fear of losing means he cannot adjust to the many, must win games, we have played where we still set up not to lose.
He has stated quite often we are good in the middle third, because keeping the ball there with sideways and backward passing is his style.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Asotosyios on May 13, 2021, 10:01:59 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 13, 2021, 07:37:23 AM
Parker's plan was to get a point per game i) by defending, ii) keeping clean sheets, iii) score our easy chances such as penalties, iv) to RLC/Lookman provide some quality chances and v) for Mitro to score 8-10 goals.
Thanks for this, but it doesn't sound much of a plan - more like "let's defend and then pray we score a goal somehow.

Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 13, 2021, 07:37:23 AM
Defense and clean sheets worked as planned. If we scored our penalities, then 32 points in 35 games.
Both Brighton Games were 0-0 draws, we could have scored in both games, making it a different season.

If you rip up the current plan, then try another plan there is no guarantee it's better. Repeat this plan a little better and  FFC will end up 17th in the EPL within two to three seasons. We are well positioned to get promoted again, and that is really all FFC need to do in the next year.

Even if we had 32 points now, we would probably still go down as we would need 7-9 points from the final 3 games.
Brighton was better than us in both games and could have easily won both, making it an even worse season for us.

There might not be any guaranteee that a different "plan" would work better, but I doubt things could go a lot worse - what might have happened? Get relegated? Oh wait...
Also, if that was the "plan" masterminded by Parker for our survival, then in all honestly we need a new one straigt away because it sounds absolutely clueless.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: hovewhite on May 13, 2021, 11:14:44 AM
Spurs could well make a move for him and if so think he will go.If he starts the season he will need some wins early otherwise he will be gone.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Friendsoffulham on May 13, 2021, 03:29:19 PM
Parker says he has yet to speak to Fulham hierarchy


Scott Parker says he is yet to talk with Fulham co-owner Tony Khan about his or the club's future.

The Whites suffered relegation for the second time in three seasons on Monday, and are left with three games with nothing to play for but pride.

Not only will Parker's own fate be decided when he finally sits down with man who runs the club on a day-to-day basis, but also the collection of loan players and others in the squad.

"I've not spoken to Tony or the ownership," Parker said. "Not had that conversation yet."

When he does, the head coach will no doubt want to discuss the factors which led to Fulham's downfall.

"We need consistency. Every year a different team – that will hinder long-term success and we need to look at that, and we need to work out whether what we've done over the last four years has been right," he added.

"We always knew this year was going to be a challenge; the youngest team in terms of Premier League experience and the money we spent – around £10m.

"You only have to look at what at what the teams that have gone down have spent.

"The performances have been disappointing, and although we've got points out of 17 games this season, it's been the fine margins that have cost us."

Fulham are away to Southampton on Saturday.

https://www.westlondonsport.com/fulham/parker-says-he-has-yet-to-speak-to-fulham-hierarchy?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Riversider on May 13, 2021, 03:35:01 PM
Just to clarify, the Sky article was complete fabrication,  Parker has confirmed today that he has had no conversation yet with Tony Khan regarding his future,
These last three games, though of little importance to us supporters I suggest they are of huge importance to Scott Parker, if we fold like a deck chair, which is entirely possible, and we concede 10 , then his position will be even more under threat,
I'm on the fence as far as Parker is concerned,  if he stays, he stays,  if he goes he goes, I don't really care either way, but these last three games could well make up my mind and probably the mind of the Fulham hierarchy.
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: Matt10 on May 13, 2021, 03:47:31 PM
If you failed miserably at your job, I wouldn't expect the bosses to come knocking so soon unless to fire you. The fact that it's taken a bit of time is not necessarily a bad thing. I'm curious to see how things go. Where's the popcorn?
Title: Re: SP staying confirmed
Post by: FulhamStu on May 13, 2021, 04:06:09 PM
Frankly I am astounded that TONY Khan or both TONY and Shahid have not spoken to Parker.   At least for Parker's morale, they should have called him and said something.  This frankly is more worrying than many things I have heard.  It's a possible insite into whether they are weighing up whether to sack him or not.  Maybe they are waiting for Spurs to make an offer as it would be financially much better than sacking him.   If they are truely behind him for the long haul, I would expect a call to say,  bad luck Scott, we will back you and come back stronger next time.