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Title: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: perry geyton on August 17, 2021, 09:41:28 PM
I'm confused
The Argie looks super sketchy to me
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Post by: _Putney_ on August 17, 2021, 09:42:13 PM
Agreed
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Post by: WindyCity on August 17, 2021, 09:43:37 PM
Agreed
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Post by: South Coast White on August 17, 2021, 09:43:55 PM
Not confident at all on crosses, Rodak for me Saturday.
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Post by: Tom_FFC on August 17, 2021, 09:44:08 PM
+1
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: perry geyton on August 17, 2021, 09:44:41 PM
ASAP
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: St. Andrews White on August 17, 2021, 09:44:54 PM
His passing out is nice, but did not look confident for that last 10

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Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: BestOfBrede on August 17, 2021, 09:45:07 PM
I thought Rodak had a finger injury, hence being careful with recovery?
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Post by: ChesterTheTabby on August 17, 2021, 09:45:08 PM
I agree. Zero trust in his ability to actually save a shot.
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Post by: Deeping_white on August 17, 2021, 09:45:14 PM
He's been watching too many videos of Don Areola punching the ball like a boss and wanted to have a go. I think Rodak will be in as soon as Gazza drops a clanger that leads to a goal because even though Rodak is better and deserves to be starting, no manager is going to chop their keeper so soon into the season as it sends a bad message.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: sunburywhite on August 17, 2021, 09:45:36 PM
He goes down like the Belgrano
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: General on August 17, 2021, 09:45:44 PM
+1 Gazzaniga has so little to do and I appreciate Matt Smith is the tallest and most physical player in the league but his decision making for coming for that last ball in particular was worryingly poor.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: unionist_ffc on August 17, 2021, 09:46:04 PM
Goal was not his fault, but agreed. Overall he doesn't inspire too much confidence
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Sgt Fulham on August 17, 2021, 09:47:21 PM
Give him some time. He's barely had anything to do, and I don't think he could have done anything about any of the goals we've conceded.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: ChesterTheTabby on August 17, 2021, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on August 17, 2021, 09:47:21 PM
Give him some time. He's barely had anything to do, and I don't think he could have done anything about any of the goals we've conceded.

Very fair point - The goals conceded have been one-offs and completely against the run of play, not much he could do with them.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Twig on August 17, 2021, 09:52:41 PM
Quote from: St. Andrews White on August 17, 2021, 09:44:54 PM
His passing out is nice, but did not look confident for that last 10

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I actually thought his distribution was very ordinary. Really can't see that he's any sort of upgrade on Rodak who must feel gutted not to be starting.
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Post by: FFCFOREVER on August 17, 2021, 09:52:48 PM
The OP is spot on. I ain't convinced by Gazzaniga one bit.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Denver Fulham on August 17, 2021, 09:55:29 PM
Gazzaniga hasn't been able to do anything about any of the three goals, but he looks weak coming off his line. I think he made one good save early at Hudds, but overall, I haven't seen anything in three games to feel great about, but it's still early days.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Twig on August 17, 2021, 09:55:46 PM
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on August 17, 2021, 09:47:21 PM
Give him some time. He's barely had anything to do, and I don't think he could have done anything about any of the goals we've conceded.

I agree he should be given some time and that he wasn't at fault for their goal. He just doesn't give me any great confidence and as I said on my previous post I didn't rate his distribution much. But let's not get on his back, he definitely needs to be given a run.
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Post by: H4usuallysitting on August 17, 2021, 09:58:37 PM
Hold on....we haven't lost a game yet...... Rodak will get his chance
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Post by: Somerset Fulham on August 17, 2021, 10:05:48 PM
I thought the first punch was a good one, and he won't be the last keeper to lose out to Matt Smith this season.  Plus he's not had a sniff with any of the three goals coneded so far?
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: filham on August 17, 2021, 10:05:58 PM
Gazzaniga has had little to do in our three matches but some of what he has had to do hasn't been done too well.
Time to bring Rodak in before silly points are lost.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: ALG01 on August 17, 2021, 10:08:07 PM
so far not so good for the new keeper IMO
I know it is early days but he has to deal with hi balls into the  box and he seems not to have a clue and rather than command his box, he seems to go AWOL
Rodak way superior.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Black, White and Fred on August 17, 2021, 10:11:47 PM
I'd bring rodak in for the cup game and if he does well he keeps the spot. Hopefully that won't destroy Gaza's confidence should marek get injured or something
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: cookieg on August 17, 2021, 10:22:50 PM
EVDS flapped at the ball sometimes and conceded soft goals. He's played 3 games for us and he's becoming this seasons go to player to moan about.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: perry geyton on August 17, 2021, 10:43:46 PM
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on August 17, 2021, 09:47:21 PM
Give him some time. He's barely had anything to do, and I don't think he could have done anything about any of the goals we've conceded.
Give him some time ?
Why not give Rodak some time hes earnt it and deserves it
Surely
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on August 17, 2021, 11:04:40 PM
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on August 17, 2021, 09:47:21 PM
Give him some time. He's barely had anything to do, and I don't think he could have done anything about any of the goals we've conceded.

The concern is that his command of his area is mediocre. He does not try and catch the ball at its highest point which is basics.
He should make his penalty area his front garden and nobody should enter it unless he says so.
I fear he will eventually cost us valuable points as he will not inspire confidence in his defenders. Time will tell but Rodak is the better all round keeper for me. Gazza flaps at the ball far too much to be playing at this level.
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Post by: Skatzoffc on August 17, 2021, 11:11:26 PM
Rodak back for me too. Asap.

Gazza's the epitome of a "dodgy keeper"
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Post by: Caedal on August 17, 2021, 11:24:08 PM
If Silva thinks Gazza is the best keeper... then he's the keeper. I have 100% faith in the manager
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Craven_Chris on August 17, 2021, 11:27:48 PM
I would be inclined to bring back Rodak. It is early and harsh to drop Gazza but we have faced 5 shots on goal this season and 3 of them have gone in! However, for me, the gloves were Rodak's to lose, not the other way around.

Tonight's goal conceded was the first where I didn't like what I saw from him, I know it was a freak deflection more than a shot, but he had no business being so wrong footed, maybe we were spoiled by Areola's reading of the game, but it looked like Gazza had started running to his right to collect the misplaced knockdown from Smith and was then wrong-footed when the ball came back to his left. But if the ball doesn't hit Afobe,  its heading to a safe area, which he should know, so there is no good reason for him to pursue the ball rather than stay set for a shot.

It feels a bit like when things started to turn against Betts, there were not really any clangers, but, one way or another, everything just ended up going in.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Donnie Lonegan on August 17, 2021, 11:31:35 PM
Add me to the list of people who thinks Rodak should be our number 1.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Pluto on August 17, 2021, 11:40:18 PM
He hasn't looked convincing to me. Rodak needs to start ASAP
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Post by: brightster on August 17, 2021, 11:51:43 PM
Sorry but let the bloke settle in, hasn't been here a month yet, played 4 games for us and we haven't lost, can't blame him for any of the goals that the team have conceded. He is a lot more vocal than Rodak with a lot more experience.
I am sure we had the same discussions when Betts was dropped for Fabri then Rico, then last season Rodak dropped for Alfonso.
There is no trophies / promotions won on just being a fan favourite. Rodak is a good keeper, but at the moment Silva thinks he's not ready yet. Let's get behind this team and enjoy the ride!
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Lyle from Hangeland on August 17, 2021, 11:54:13 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on August 17, 2021, 09:45:36 PM
He goes down like the Belgrano

Nasty.  :wow:
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Willham on August 17, 2021, 11:58:32 PM
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 17, 2021, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on August 17, 2021, 09:47:21 PM
Give him some time. He's barely had anything to do, and I don't think he could have done anything about any of the goals we've conceded.

Very fair point - The goals conceded have been one-offs and completely against the run of play, not much he could do with them.

Disagree, as a goalkeeper myself, gazziniga was wrongly positioned for the middlesborough goal , half a step left was needed, and if so had have been stood where the ball traveled, instead he concentrated on covering the near post and got caught out.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: We Are Premier League on August 18, 2021, 12:03:52 AM
Quote from: Black, White and Fred on August 17, 2021, 10:11:47 PM
I'd bring rodak in for the cup game and if he does well he keeps the spot. Hopefully that won't destroy Gaza's confidence should marek get injured or something

:plus one:
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Milo on August 18, 2021, 12:04:06 AM
Watched him live against Boro and he was flapping around, yelling things at his defence off the ball and everyone was just ignoring him.

He's a liability!

Has so little to do but when we need him for that one shot on target he's out of position!! Be it too far over to his near post against Boro, or strolling 10 yards off his line again today!
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Post by: JEEVES on August 18, 2021, 12:12:26 AM
Thought Rodak was number 1 and Gazzaniga playing until he's fit? A good number 2 for sure but Rodaks gotta be put back in when fully fit. Why give him the number 1 shirt?
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on August 18, 2021, 04:53:21 AM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on August 17, 2021, 09:58:37 PM
Hold on....we haven't lost a game yet...... Rodak will get his chance

That's precisely the point, he doesn't hold on he flaps at the ball.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: colinwhite on August 18, 2021, 05:41:15 AM
3 great performances ,7 points and a superb brand of football. I think Silva knows what he is doing and has his reasons for his choice of goalkeeper.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: steed the legend on August 18, 2021, 08:03:00 AM
Rodak is clearly our best overall Keeper at the club. He has a skill set from distribution to shot stopping and dealing with high crosses which  provides confidence to the back line.
I am pretty certain once he is given his chance he will keep the jersey.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: cookieg on August 18, 2021, 08:20:30 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on August 17, 2021, 09:45:14 PM
He's been watching too many videos of Don Areola punching the ball like a boss and wanted to have a go. I think Rodak will be in as soon as Gazza drops a clanger that leads to a goal because even though Rodak is better and deserves to be starting, no manager is going to chop their keeper so soon into the season as it sends a bad message.
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Quote from: Deeping_white on August 17, 2021, 09:45:14 PM
He's been watching too many videos of Don Areola punching the ball like a boss and wanted to have a go. I think Rodak will be in as soon as Gazza drops a clanger that leads to a goal because even though Rodak is better and deserves to be starting, no manager is going to chop their keeper so soon into the season as it sends a bad message.

And when Rodak drops a clanger he gets dropped as well does he? If we want a solid defence who can work together we pick a back 5 and play it week in week out. Dropping keepers on a whim doesn't do anyone's confidence any good as Rodak will know that as soon as cocks up he's out of the team.
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Post by: junior white on August 18, 2021, 08:22:40 AM
Based on those 3 performances he is no better than Rodak thats for sure, however the easy answer is that Silva prefers PG for now. So fr 7 points form 3 games isnt too bad so happy to stick with who he selects
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Facts Not Fiction on August 18, 2021, 09:08:58 AM
I'm not convinced at all about Gazzaniga, but to be fair to him, he's had basically nothing to do for 4 games. The goals scored haven't really been his fault, but he isn't inspiring any confident IMO.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Bassey the warrior on August 18, 2021, 09:10:53 AM
Rodak will get his chance to impress in the cup. I hope he does because I agree he's the better keeper, though we're spoilt for choice in that position.
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Post by: rebel on August 18, 2021, 09:18:10 AM
Millwall's goal was lucky. almost point black.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Tooting legend on August 18, 2021, 09:20:38 AM
Gazza is a quality signing.....far more experienced then Rodak Gazza should be number 1 in my view.
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Post by: Whitestone on August 18, 2021, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: Tooting legend on August 18, 2021, 09:20:38 AM
Gazza is a quality signing.....far more experienced then Rodak Gazza should be number 1 in my view.

Gazzaniga has 74 senior appearances and is 29 years old

Rodak has 157 senior appearances and is 24 years old

I think it's a bit early to start calling for Rodak but I understand the concerns of others based on what I've witnessed so far.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: clarkey on August 18, 2021, 09:50:13 AM
We should 100% have Rodak in goal. The chief priority is commanding the box. Rodak is far better on crosses, and he is OUR keeper, Fulham produced. So let's keep him, there is no area Gazza is clearly better in.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: bobby01 on August 18, 2021, 09:50:40 AM
Maybe just maybe, rodaks finger injury is still not fully healed.
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Post by: JimOG on August 18, 2021, 10:07:48 AM
Quote from: clarkey on August 18, 2021, 09:50:13 AM
We should 100% have Rodak in goal. The chief priority is commanding the box. Rodak is far better on crosses, and he is OUR keeper, Fulham produced. So let's keep him, there is no area Gazza is clearly better in.

I have great time for Rodak but whilst this thread questions aspects of Gazza's goalkeeping no one has yet pointed out that Rodak's footballing skills are poor. I think that was SP's thinking bringing in Areola and MS choosing Gazza. It's the modern style of an Allison etc to distribute from the back
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Twig on August 18, 2021, 10:41:32 AM
Quote from: JimOG on August 18, 2021, 10:07:48 AM
Quote from: clarkey on August 18, 2021, 09:50:13 AM
We should 100% have Rodak in goal. The chief priority is commanding the box. Rodak is far better on crosses, and he is OUR keeper, Fulham produced. So let's keep him, there is no area Gazza is clearly better in.

I have great time for Rodak but whilst this thread questions aspects of Gazza's goalkeeping no one has yet pointed out that Rodak's footballing skills are poor. I think that was SP's thinking bringing in Areola and MS choosing Gazza. It's the modern style of an Allison etc to distribute from the back

But Gazza's footballing skills were unimpressive, his distribution was very average and he showed little creativity in his choice of where and who to pass out to.  I am happy to see him given a bit of a run but right now I cannot see a single area where he is better.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: rebel on August 18, 2021, 10:54:34 AM
Areola wasn't an instant success, it took him time to settle in, granted the defence was poor.
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Post by: cookieg on August 18, 2021, 11:00:05 AM
Quote from: Willham on August 17, 2021, 11:58:32 PM
Quote from: ChesterTheTabby on August 17, 2021, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on August 17, 2021, 09:47:21 PM
Give him some time. He's barely had anything to do, and I don't think he could have done anything about any of the goals we've conceded.

Very fair point - The goals conceded have been one-offs and completely against the run of play, not much he could do with them.

Disagree, as a goalkeeper myself, gazziniga was wrongly positioned for the middlesborough goal , half a step left was needed, and if so had have been stood where the ball traveled, instead he concentrated on covering the near post and got caught out.

And if he'd been beaten at the near post people would be saying how a goalkeeper should never beaten at his near post. The ball went through Tosin's legs so he may have been unsighted. Surely as a goalkeeper you can appreciate that.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Milo on August 18, 2021, 01:11:42 PM
Quote from: Twig on August 18, 2021, 10:41:32 AM
Quote from: JimOG on August 18, 2021, 10:07:48 AM
Quote from: clarkey on August 18, 2021, 09:50:13 AM
We should 100% have Rodak in goal. The chief priority is commanding the box. Rodak is far better on crosses, and he is OUR keeper, Fulham produced. So let's keep him, there is no area Gazza is clearly better in.

I have great time for Rodak but whilst this thread questions aspects of Gazza's goalkeeping no one has yet pointed out that Rodak's footballing skills are poor. I think that was SP's thinking bringing in Areola and MS choosing Gazza. It's the modern style of an Allison etc to distribute from the back

But Gazza's footballing skills were unimpressive, his distribution was very average and he showed little creativity in his choice of where and who to pass out to.  I am happy to see him given a bit of a run but right now I cannot see a single area where he is better.

Understand that up to a point but the outfield players are creating a lot themselves currently.

We just need that one shot on target that comes in to be saved by a safe, solid goalkeeper. I don't have faith in Gazza to be in the right place at the right time regardless of how quiet the game has been for him. He doesn't appear to have good positioning, he is also quite an anxious goalkeeper off the ball.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: keithh on August 18, 2021, 01:47:44 PM
We were playing so high up the pitch on occasions Gazz must have wondered where we were as I believe he's shortsighted.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: Somerset Fulham on August 18, 2021, 01:49:21 PM
Think he has very recently become a father too. Maybe some think that shouldn't affect a performance, but maybe it has.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: NJFulham on August 18, 2021, 03:39:22 PM
He won't be dropped unless he gets injured. He will probably be the worst player on the pitch a lot of weeks but they'll be getting results.

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Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: WindyCity on August 18, 2021, 04:02:12 PM
I agree that Rodak should be given a chance.  As someone pointed out, 5 shots on target over 3 games, and 3 goals allowed.  Some point out that the three he conceded were very difficult chances, but I disagree a bit, the goal v Boro allowed I thought could have been played much better.  And the goal v Millwall, though more a deflection than an actual shot, caught him flat footed and not anticipating well, but agreed, a tough chance.  Some also point out he hasn't had much to do back there, but those times he has had to make a play, he has not looked good, especially on those punch out attempts, and has generally looked unsure of himself.

All that said, sure, we haven't lost a game yet.  BUT, good teams try to improve themselves all the time.  I think maybe being a bit proactive in this case is the right course.  Rodak for me.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: colinwhite on August 18, 2021, 04:07:02 PM
no.one has seen rodak play for quite a while and still people think they know better than Silva !  Laughable.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: perry geyton on August 18, 2021, 05:04:38 PM
Quote from: bobby01 on August 18, 2021, 09:50:40 AM
Maybe just maybe, rodaks finger injury is still not fully healed.
I hope that's the case
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: kiwian on August 19, 2021, 10:19:41 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on August 18, 2021, 09:08:58 AM
I'm not convinced at all about Gazzaniga, but to be fair to him, he's had basically nothing to do for 4 games. The goals scored haven't really been his fault, but he isn't inspiring any confident IMO.
Tend to agree, and his habit of time wasting isn't doing us any favours.
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: AshfordFFC on August 20, 2021, 06:14:24 PM
I know that it has only been 3 games, that I have seen, and none of the pre season, however as an ex goalkeeper myself, I can only state that Gazz does not inspire confidence in me.

It is difficult to judge in a limited period of time however I may start referring him to Dracula as he would appear to hate crosses or utterly butterly as on the rare occasion he does come for a cross, he cannot catch it!

We were blessed by the legend that was AA last season and possibly expecting too much however for me Rodak should be No1 and starting (injury not withstanding).
Title: Re: How is Rodak not in goal ?
Post by: sunburywhite on August 20, 2021, 08:55:51 PM
As an ex Latymer under 11 goalkeeper, I can confidentally say AA is the best I have ever seen at FFC