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I'd like to see Rodak get a chance. The goal today was poor, he had a dreadful clearance that created danger, and he's just making too many small mistakes for me. It finally hurt us today.

Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 11, 2021, 05:42:50 PM
I'd like to see Rodak get a chance. The goal today was poor, he had a dreadful clearance that created danger, and he's just making too many small mistakes for me. It finally hurt us today.

How about going through the whole team and highlight all the small mistakes the other 10 made rather than scapegoat Gazza.

I can't for the life of me see how he was at fault?  Those in front of him were more to blame (if we really have to blame people), weren't they?

Is he the new scapegoat possibly

Quote from: cookieg on September 11, 2021, 05:48:18 PM

Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 11, 2021, 05:42:50 PM
I'd like to see Rodak get a chance. The goal today was poor, he had a dreadful clearance that created danger, and he's just making too many small mistakes for me. It finally hurt us today.

How about going through the whole team and highlight all the small mistakes the other 10 made rather than scapegoat Gazza.

This isn't just about today. Every match, he's making errors. We just paid for them today.

And in a broader sense, what the club has done to Marek is pretty gross. I had no issues bringing in Areola last season, but to ice him for a second straight year for a guy who hasn't been very convincing so far isn't right. He was excellent in getting us promoted two seasons ago and has rotted since.

It was a poor goal to concede as a team.

But no body on here can say that Rodak wouldn't have saved that, it was a very poor goal to concede at the near post.

The only people to blame for the goal are the 2 pathetic defenders the scorer just simply brushed aside without any attempt to challenge.

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Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 11, 2021, 05:42:50 PM
I'd like to see Rodak get a chance. The goal today was poor, he had a dreadful clearance that created danger, and he's just making too many small mistakes for me. It finally hurt us today.

How about going through the whole team and highlight all the small mistakes the other 10 made rather than scapegoat Gazza.

This isn't just about today. Every match, he's making errors. We just paid for them today.

And in a broader sense, what the club has done to Marek is pretty gross. I had no issues bringing in Areola last season, but to ice him for a second straight year for a guy who hasn't been very convincing so far isn't right. He was excellent in getting us promoted two seasons ago and has rotted since.

I like Rodak. But we don't see him training. A consistent theme from managers recently is, they don't see him as the no.1 GK and there must be a reason for it. I watched the goal and not really sure how you can blame that on him. Seems like straws and clutching to make a case for Rodak. He's certainly not been perfect, but we are +9 GD so he must be doing things right. Hes not the reason we lost points today. Far from it.

Beaten at his near post with a clear view of the shot

https://www.skysports.com/football/blackpool-vs-fulham/447400

Quote from: Nero on September 11, 2021, 06:14:36 PM
Beaten at his near post with a clear view of the shot

https://www.skysports.com/football/blackpool-vs-fulham/447400

Pathetic defending

Good stop one on one earlier in the game.

But the goal looked suspect.
Defending was indeed dreadful tho

More annoyed at the defence/midfield than GK to be honest. Thats not on him.

Interesting that the sky commentators mentioned it was poor goalkeeping.

No one is disputing that the defence was poor, but honestly it was something that simply should have been saved- period.

He constantly drops balls and never looks confident in between the sticks- he's good with his feet and that's it. Think it's hard for anyone to really disagree with that.

Quote from: LC on September 11, 2021, 07:16:42 PM
Interesting that the sky commentators mentioned it was poor goalkeeping.

No one is disputing that the defence was poor, but honestly it was something that simply should have been saved- period.

He constantly drops balls and never looks confident in between the sticks- he's good with his feet and that's it. Think it's hard for anyone to really disagree with that.

The manager clearly disagrees with that.

I've not been convinced by Gazzaniga yet. Thought he should have done better with the shot, but how Bowler was allowed to get into that position is beyond me.

Quote from: LC on September 11, 2021, 07:16:42 PM
Interesting that the sky commentators mentioned it was poor goalkeeping.

No one is disputing that the defence was poor, but honestly it was something that simply should have been saved- period.

He constantly drops balls and never looks confident in between the sticks- he's good with his feet and that's it. Think it's hard for anyone to really disagree with that.

Commentators always say it's poor goalkeeping. The vast majority of them have never played top level football let alone played in goal.

And the instance when he made a great save after Ream messed up big time? Should that be ignored?

Quote from: Southcoastffc on September 11, 2021, 08:19:19 PM
And the instance when he made a great save after Ream messed up big time? Should that be ignored?

Clearly it has been!

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Quote from: LC on September 11, 2021, 07:16:42 PM
Interesting that the sky commentators mentioned it was poor goalkeeping.

No one is disputing that the defence was poor, but honestly it was something that simply should have been saved- period.

He constantly drops balls and never looks confident in between the sticks- he's good with his feet and that's it. Think it's hard for anyone to really disagree with that.

The manager clearly disagrees with that.

Clearly. Goalkeepers have been some what of a debate for some years. I don't think Gazz is the answer long term, but that's me, he doesn't fill me with any confidence- saying that, I don't see any team in the league getting the best of us once all our players are fit. 

The manager is picking him above Rodak because he is better with his feet and general distribution and the benefits of this outweigh the downsides in other areas. If that assessment changes he will be dropped and Rodak will be picked ahead of him - that's my very simple assessment of what I have seen so far.

Surprised the ball went in at that angle for the goal.After you defending also.

It's very easy to blame the keeper if you have never played In goal. I cannot blame him today. His points tally would be 8/10 for me. The whole of our team looked tired almost lifeless. I think Marco was hoping that when they hot out there they would build on what they have donepreviously. A long plane flight followed by a long coach journey will always result in a poor result. We have to see if the guys can pick themselves up for the next game

Quote from: Andy S on September 11, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
It's very easy to blame the keeper if you have never played In goal. I cannot blame him today. His points tally would be 8/10 for me. The whole of our team looked tired almost lifeless. I think Marco was hoping that when they hot out there they would build on what they have donepreviously. A long plane flight followed by a long coach journey will always result in a poor result. We have to see if the guys can pick themselves up for the next game

I've played in goal. That shot needs to be saved, horror defending aside.

But again, it's about the things over six matches -- not physical coming off his line, hoping for bailout whistles, misjudging crosses, poor clearances that turn into danger, getting weirdly wrong-footed on the Millwall goal by overreacting to the first header.

He hasn't had much to do, but if you're really watching, he hasn't been very solid so far. A keeper of his supposed quality should be better/cleaner than he has been.

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Quote from: Nero on September 11, 2021, 06:14:36 PM
Beaten at his near post with a clear view of the shot

https://www.skysports.com/football/blackpool-vs-fulham/447400

Pathetic defending

yes exactly their scorer was allowed to dance his way between two defenders with just the keeper to beat, for me it was a clear case othe the two that let him through being frightened to tackle for fear of giving away a penalty.
Half of our players were off their normal level of ability today .I though Gazza did ok. We fluffed out lines in front of goal too many times.

Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 11, 2021, 10:14:50 PM

Quote from: Andy S on September 11, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
It's very easy to blame the keeper if you have never played In goal. I cannot blame him today. His points tally would be 8/10 for me. The whole of our team looked tired almost lifeless. I think Marco was hoping that when they hot out there they would build on what they have donepreviously. A long plane flight followed by a long coach journey will always result in a poor result. We have to see if the guys can pick themselves up for the next game

I've played in goal. That shot needs to be saved, horror defending aside.

But again, it's about the things over six matches -- not physical coming off his line, hoping for bailout whistles, misjudging crosses, poor clearances that turn into danger, getting weirdly wrong-footed on the Millwall goal by overreacting to the first header.

He hasn't had much to do, but if you're really watching, he hasn't been very solid so far. A keeper of his supposed quality should be better/cleaner than he has been.

Keepers get beaten at the near post, even the best ones. It happens.

Millwall's goal was a freak that would have beaten lots of keepers. Clearly you don't like Gazza but Silva trusts him.

Quote from: cookieg on September 11, 2021, 10:51:47 PM

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Quote from: Andy S on September 11, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
It's very easy to blame the keeper if you have never played In goal. I cannot blame him today. His points tally would be 8/10 for me. The whole of our team looked tired almost lifeless. I think Marco was hoping that when they hot out there they would build on what they have donepreviously. A long plane flight followed by a long coach journey will always result in a poor result. We have to see if the guys can pick themselves up for the next game

I've played in goal. That shot needs to be saved, horror defending aside.

But again, it's about the things over six matches -- not physical coming off his line, hoping for bailout whistles, misjudging crosses, poor clearances that turn into danger, getting weirdly wrong-footed on the Millwall goal by overreacting to the first header.

He hasn't had much to do, but if you're really watching, he hasn't been very solid so far. A keeper of his supposed quality should be better/cleaner than he has been.

Keepers get beaten at the near post, even the best ones. It happens.

Millwall's goal was a freak that would have beaten lots of keepers. Clearly you don't like Gazza but Silva trusts him.

I'm not sure the response that "well Silva fancies him" is enough to shut down discussion. Otherwise we could never debate and criticise any of our managers' picks. It's still early doors and I certainly wouldn't advocate dropping him. However I have posted several times that he doesn't fill me with confidence and I don't see him as an upgrade on Rodak. Still, it's his shirt to lose right now.

Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 11, 2021, 05:42:50 PM
I'd like to see Rodak get a chance. The goal today was poor, he had a dreadful clearance that created danger, and he's just making too many small mistakes for me. It finally hurt us today.

I agree. I haven't seen the replay but watching it live it seemed he was beaten at his near post and that shouldn't happen.

I don't think his reflexes are the best, thought that was a poor goal to concede yesterday, watched it 6 or more times and still cannot see how it got past him.

Strange fact, we have concede 4, 2 in the 10 min period before after half time, and 2 in the 10 mins before the end.



Unable to find the stats for attempts on target to goals conceded, but if memory serves me correct I don't believe it will look very good, we do not give away many shots on target. Yesterday only one.

He seems pretty average from what I've seen so far. I think Rodak can count himself unfortunate to be sitting on the bench

Still confused as to why he's playing ahead of Rodak.

2 thing's....the goalscorer was the best player on the park, so , we should of marked him out of the game & 2, Seri should of kicked him into row Z..... Blackpool wanted it more & we were flat & tired

While I can appreciate that our keeper hasn't looked dominant and makes mistakes he is a shot stopper type of keeper. Not someone we can feel comfortable with and that may become a problem.

But the goal yesterday was such a team failure that it is just a joke to single Gazzaniga out. A player runs from so far outside the area and we can count how many attempts to tackle him took place. Go on count them. It wont take long.

An awful goal to give away but blaming the last man is simply wrong. By all means put him on the list. But the list of players who let us down for the goal is quite a long one. 

Quote from: Lighthouse on September 12, 2021, 12:18:21 PM
While I can appreciate that our keeper hasn't looked dominant and makes mistakes he is a shot stopper type of keeper. Not someone we can feel comfortable with and that may become a problem.

But the goal yesterday was such a team failure that it is just a joke to single Gazzaniga out. A player runs from so far outside the area and we can count how many attempts to tackle him took place. Go on count them. It wont take long.

An awful goal to give away but blaming the last man is simply wrong. By all means put him on the list. But the list of players who let us down for the goal is quite a long one.

Yes I agree with that.

I would say though that the feelings towards Gazz have been built up over a period of games now- he just looks constantly uncomfortable when required to use his hands.

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Quote from: Andy S on September 11, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
It's very easy to blame the keeper if you have never played In goal. I cannot blame him today. His points tally would be 8/10 for me. The whole of our team looked tired almost lifeless. I think Marco was hoping that when they hot out there they would build on what they have donepreviously. A long plane flight followed by a long coach journey will always result in a poor result. We have to see if the guys can pick themselves up for the next game

I've played in goal. That shot needs to be saved, horror defending aside.

But again, it's about the things over six matches -- not physical coming off his line, hoping for bailout whistles, misjudging crosses, poor clearances that turn into danger, getting weirdly wrong-footed on the Millwall goal by overreacting to the first header.

He hasn't had much to do, but if you're really watching, he hasn't been very solid so far. A keeper of his supposed quality should be better/cleaner than he has been.

Keepers get beaten at the near post, even the best ones. It happens.

Millwall's goal was a freak that would have beaten lots of keepers. Clearly you don't like Gazza but Silva trusts him.

I'm not sure the response that "well Silva fancies him" is enough to shut down discussion. Otherwise we could never debate and criticise any of our managers' picks. It's still early doors and I certainly wouldn't advocate dropping him. However I have posted several times that he doesn't fill me with confidence and I don't see him as an upgrade on Rodak. Still, it's his shirt to lose right now.

I'm not shutting down debate. I said "trust" not "fancies" we don't see the training sessions, we don't know what goes on at MP. Silva does, so if he "trusts" Gazzaniga so be it.

Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 11, 2021, 10:14:50 PM

Quote from: Andy S on September 11, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
It's very easy to blame the keeper if you have never played In goal. I cannot blame him today. His points tally would be 8/10 for me. The whole of our team looked tired almost lifeless. I think Marco was hoping that when they hot out there they would build on what they have donepreviously. A long plane flight followed by a long coach journey will always result in a poor result. We have to see if the guys can pick themselves up for the next game

I've played in goal. That shot needs to be saved, horror defending aside.

But again, it's about the things over six matches -- not physical coming off his line, hoping for bailout whistles, misjudging crosses, poor clearances that turn into danger, getting weirdly wrong-footed on the Millwall goal by overreacting to the first header.

He hasn't had much to do, but if you're really watching, he hasn't been very solid so far. A keeper of his supposed quality should be better/cleaner than he has been.

This is my take on him also. I am waiting for him to make a save that digs out his defence as Areola did regularly last season. Instead whenever the defence allow the opposition a chance he fails to retrieve the situation and concedes - with the crap defending for the Blackpool goal, yesterday would have been a good time for him to start but he gets beaten at his near post. He does not fill me with much confidence

My deduction for what it's worth is that as a goalkeeper at this level he has some short comings which we can do without if we have aspirations for an automatic promotion push.
He is very tall for his height and overall he is a good shot stopper but then so are most goalkeepers.
His command of his area has to improve and he needs to catch the ball at its highest point, but instead he fannies around with it.
His choice of angles are mediocre and for a big man he fails to make his goal look small.
He can count himself lucky that he appears to be currently number one, but not in my book.
Over the season I fear he will be a liability and cost us goals that could have been avoided. If I was Rodak, I would be gutted but hopefully if he get his opportunity Rodak will make the goal keeper position his own injuries permitting.

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 12, 2021, 07:09:38 PM
My deduction for what it's worth is that as a goalkeeper at this level he has some short comings which we can do without if we have aspirations for an automatic promotion push.
He is very tall for his height and overall he is a good shot stopper but then so are most goalkeepers.
His command of his area has to improve and he needs to catch the ball at its highest point, but instead he fannies around with it.
His choice of angles are mediocre and for a big man he fails to make his goal look small.
He can count himself lucky that he appears to be currently number one, but not in my book.
Over the season I fear he will be a liability and cost us goals that could have been avoided. If I was Rodak, I would be gutted but hopefully if he get his opportunity Rodak will make the goal keeper position his own injuries permitting.

Rodak is very tall for his height as well.  :dft012:

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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 12, 2021, 07:09:38 PM
My deduction for what it's worth is that as a goalkeeper at this level he has some short comings which we can do without if we have aspirations for an automatic promotion push.
He is very tall for his height and overall he is a good shot stopper but then so are most goalkeepers.
His command of his area has to improve and he needs to catch the ball at its highest point, but instead he fannies around with it.
His choice of angles are mediocre and for a big man he fails to make his goal look small.
He can count himself lucky that he appears to be currently number one, but not in my book.
Over the season I fear he will be a liability and cost us goals that could have been avoided. If I was Rodak, I would be gutted but hopefully if he get his opportunity Rodak will make the goal keeper position his own injuries permitting.

Rodak is very tall for his height as well.  :dft012:

And his legs reach all the way down to the ground.

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Quote from: Andy S on September 11, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
It's very easy to blame the keeper if you have never played In goal. I cannot blame him today. His points tally would be 8/10 for me. The whole of our team looked tired almost lifeless. I think Marco was hoping that when they hot out there they would build on what they have donepreviously. A long plane flight followed by a long coach journey will always result in a poor result. We have to see if the guys can pick themselves up for the next game

I've played in goal. That shot needs to be saved, horror defending aside.

But again, it's about the things over six matches -- not physical coming off his line, hoping for bailout whistles, misjudging crosses, poor clearances that turn into danger, getting weirdly wrong-footed on the Millwall goal by overreacting to the first header.

He hasn't had much to do, but if you're really watching, he hasn't been very solid so far. A keeper of his supposed quality should be better/cleaner than he has been.

Keepers get beaten at the near post, even the best ones. It happens.

Millwall's goal was a freak that would have beaten lots of keepers. Clearly you don't like Gazza but Silva trusts him.

I'm not sure the response that "well Silva fancies him" is enough to shut down discussion. Otherwise we could never debate and criticise any of our managers' picks. It's still early doors and I certainly wouldn't advocate dropping him. However I have posted several times that he doesn't fill me with confidence and I don't see him as an upgrade on Rodak. Still, it's his shirt to lose right now.

I'm not shutting down debate. I said "trust" not "fancies" we don't see the training sessions, we don't know what goes on at MP. Silva does, so if he "trusts" Gazzaniga so be it.

Ok "trusts" rather than "fancies". Although I'm not sure it alters my point.  Of course Silva sees what goes on at Motspur Pk, but on the other hand we have far mor experience of seeing Rodak as first choice keeper. And I still maintain that your comment, "clearly you don't like Gaza but Silva trusts him" was rather dismissive.  Quite a lot of us are concerned about Gazzaniga as first choice keeper, it's not a case on not liking him, we simply have concerns about some aspects of his game. I think it's perfectly legitimate to debate whether Marcus would make be a better choice even knowing that at the moment Silva will probably stick with Gaazaniga.

Gazza is a weak link that will not go away, he is a mistake waiting to happen, but apart from individual mistakes that to be fair any keeper could make. His overall ability has too many floors for comfort and he is eratic, I am surprised he is playing at this level.

Gazzaniga can't be blamed for Robinson's poor defending. He also saved us when Ream once again showed how vulnerable (and unbelievably stupid!) he is under pressure. Many goalkeepers would have conceded a goal or a penalty in that situation. It could easily have been a red card but Gazzaniga showed some real class there, perfect timing!

Don't get me wrong, I still think Rodak is (probably) our best GK and deserves a chance but Silva seems to have made up his mind.

Gazzinga and Rodak are of fairly equal merit it seems to me aoart from one area . The former is much better with his feet. He may also be a personality in the team . What do we know ?

Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 14, 2021, 07:05:50 AM
Gazzaniga can't be blamed for Robinson's poor defending. He also saved us when Ream once again showed how vulnerable (and unbelievably stupid!) he is under pressure. Many goalkeepers would have conceded a goal or a penalty in that situation. It could easily have been a red card but Gazzaniga showed some real class there, perfect timing!

Don't get me wrong, I still think Rodak is (probably) our best GK and deserves a chance but Silva seems to have made up his mind.

Well said - that tackle after Ream's complacency had lost the ball - was excellent. I share most of the views on Gazza - same height as Mark Shwartzer but has none of his aerial ability. Rodak's a fine keeper whose lack of footballing skills are exposed when teams press  -

Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 14, 2021, 07:05:50 AM
Gazzaniga can't be blamed for Robinson's poor defending. He also saved us when Ream once again showed how vulnerable (and unbelievably stupid!) he is under pressure. Many goalkeepers would have conceded a goal or a penalty in that situation. It could easily have been a red card but Gazzaniga showed some real class there, perfect timing!

Don't get me wrong, I still think Rodak is (probably) our best GK and deserves a chance but Silva seems to have made up his mind.

Gazza cannot be blamed for poor defending but his positioning at the near post was poor for their goal, he should have been able to do better.

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Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on September 14, 2021, 07:05:50 AM
Gazzaniga can't be blamed for Robinson's poor defending. He also saved us when Ream once again showed how vulnerable (and unbelievably stupid!) he is under pressure. Many goalkeepers would have conceded a goal or a penalty in that situation. It could easily have been a red card but Gazzaniga showed some real class there, perfect timing!
Don't get me wrong, I still think Rodak is (probably) our best GK and deserves a chance but Silva seems to have made up his mind.

Gazza cannot be blamed for poor defending but his positioning at the near post was poor for their goal, he should have been able to do better.

Just got chance to see replay of that goal.  True, Robinson got his jockstrap handed to him.  BUT, I'm sorry, our GK should have done much better, and that goal should not have been scored.  Soft goal in my view.  Yes, poor defense.  But also yes, poor goalkeeping.

Here's a quote from someone who knows a thing about goalkeeping. Apparently his old man wasn't too bad either.

"It's a myth. Something I have never understood. One day someone just came up with it and said a goalkeeper should never be beaten at their near post.

Anyone who has played in goal knows it's a huge area and you try to cover the whole goal. You can't try and cover the whole goal and the guarantee the ball won't go in at the near post if it's a great shot. Near post, far post, you try to cover it all and you're not happy if it goes in anywhere."
Kasper Schmeichel

Quote from: cookieg on September 14, 2021, 06:35:14 PM
Here's a quote from someone who knows a thing about goalkeeping. Apparently his old man wasn't too bad either.

"It's a myth. Something I have never understood. One day someone just came up with it and said a goalkeeper should never be beaten at their near post.

Anyone who has played in goal knows it's a huge area and you try to cover the whole goal. You can't try and cover the whole goal and the guarantee the ball won't go in at the near post if it's a great shot. Near post, far post, you try to cover it all and you're not happy if it goes in anywhere."
Kasper Schmeichel

Was it a great shot, hardly think so

He's made three mistakes tonight in the first seven minutes.

From what I've seen he appears to be a liability. No confidence with the ball. Of course he makes a good save as I type!

Makes a mockery of those on here saying he's better than Rodak with the ball at his feet. My heart is in my mouth everytime he plays it on the ground

Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 15, 2021, 07:55:59 PM
He's made three mistakes tonight in the first seven minutes.

A nice save from the header after somehow BDR wasn't given a whistle. But then another massive error that nearly gifted them a goal. We've been very fortunate his mistakes this season haven't cost us more than they have.

A lot of clubs seem to underestimate the importance of a decent keeper. Probably equivalent to a 15 goal a season striker if you get a decent one.

Unfortunately, Gazzaniga isn't that decent, in my opinion.

Looks like a cat on a hot tin roof tonight. Rodak must be scratching his head that's for sure

Couple good saves in the second half while I'm slating him for earlier transgressions.

He has had a some good saves in the second half but he still looks too shaky for me. 

He has looked really good tonight. I feel huge sympathy for Rodak but don't understand the continuous digs.

I think Gazzanigga proved tonight why he is number 1 and Rodak, firmly, number 2. Excellent performance from Gazza!

He was brilliant tonight, so many good saves and his kicking was excellent too. Shows what we know eh.

For each great save there was a mistake that (thankfully) went unpunished. Enigmatic

Thought he was excellent tonight, 2 very good saves, 3 or 4 decent ones. Perhaps it'll stop some of the scapegoaters?

No real mistakes regarding making saves or catching crosses. Just like for any outfield player, the surface was greasy but had some stick to it that made it surprisingly slow on the ground. Gazzaniga had just as much difficulty in adjusting to it.

Quote from: Jim© on September 15, 2021, 09:49:18 PM
Thought he was excellent tonight, 2 very good saves, 3 or 4 decent ones. Perhaps it'll stop some of the scapegoaters?

I agree, he did very well but I doubt your last question/suggestion.   He's this season's scapegoat despite:
Played 7   Won 5   Drawn 1   Lost 1   For 17   Against 5   G Diff +12    Pts 16     

Nothing else to complain about for some.

To be fair even the sky commentary team were discussing how edgy he looked, and how he looked like he had a mistake in him. But there's no doubt he made some great saves, especially towards the end

Gazzaniga made a number of crucial saves tonight and what a wonderful long pass to Wilson in the first half which could easily have led to a goal.

Gazza looked so calm which is what one would want at the back. I still wonder why goalkeepers do not merely wait for a penalty to be kicked and dive at the ball, rather than try to outguess the kicker. If you did that for normal shots the 'keeper would be letting in 10 goals a game!

Very good long balls. I counted 3 I think practically inch perfect eg to Wilson.

HOWEVER remains a dodgy keeper. I want my keeper to save shots. I'll let the others create the goal scoring chances.

Rodak in ASAP.

Quote from: Milo on September 16, 2021, 07:15:31 AM
Very good long balls. I counted 3 I think practically inch perfect eg to Wilson.

HOWEVER remains a dodgy keeper. I want my keeper to save shots. I'll let the others create the goal scoring chances.

Rodak in ASAP.

I think you're being very unfair on Gazzaniga. He made countless saves last night. We weren't at our sparkling best despite the scoreline. If any of the Birmingham chances had gone in things could have gone differently but they didn't thanks to Gazza who is the manager's pick, so I doubt we'll see Rodak in league games any time soon.

It's still early, even AA took time to settle in last season.   

Aside from a few dodgy passes in the first 10 or 12 minutes tonight he looked ok. He is a modern keeper that parries rather than catches, similar to Areola last season. Personally my preference is for someone who comes from crosses and commands his while area rather than the 6 yard box. However, we do not have one of those in the squad, so while he is making saves , and last night there were some good saves, i have nothing to complain about with him. Keepers make mistakes it usually ends up in a goal, when others make mistakes those behind them try to limit the damage, thats the life of a keeper.

Quote from: Milo on September 16, 2021, 07:15:31 AM
Very good long balls. I counted 3 I think practically inch perfect eg to Wilson.

HOWEVER remains a dodgy keeper. I want my keeper to save shots. I'll let the others create the goal scoring chances.

Rodak in ASAP.

But he did literally just that and pulled off some fantastic saves to bail out the defence on a few occasions. He also did Ream a huge favour against Blackpool too

Quote from: Milo on September 16, 2021, 07:15:31 AM
Very good long balls. I counted 3 I think practically inch perfect eg to Wilson.

HOWEVER remains a dodgy keeper. I want my keeper to save shots. I'll let the others create the goal scoring chances.

Rodak in ASAP.

I'm a hige Rodak fan but Gazzaniga was one of the main reasons we won last night. Made countless saves.

Quote from: Nick Bateman on September 15, 2021, 10:26:09 PM
Gazza looked so calm which is what one would want at the back. I still wonder why goalkeepers do not merely wait for a penalty to be kicked and dive at the ball, rather than try to outguess the kicker. If you did that for normal shots the 'keeper would be letting in 10 goals a game!

I hadn't realised that saving a penalty was that simple.   :022:

Quote from: Fulham1959 on September 16, 2021, 11:30:22 AM

Quote from: Nick Bateman on September 15, 2021, 10:26:09 PM
Gazza looked so calm which is what one would want at the back. I still wonder why goalkeepers do not merely wait for a penalty to be kicked and dive at the ball, rather than try to outguess the kicker. If you did that for normal shots the 'keeper would be letting in 10 goals a game!

I hadn't realised that saving a penalty was that simple.   :022:

Most pens that are saved the keeper doesnt wait for the ball to be struck he guesses and goes base don research.

I am assuming last night that our keeper felt that based on film watched that Deeney was likely to go down the middle hence the standing still, he may also have shifted his weight to dive to his right and realised it went the other way. I actually do not think Deeney meant to put it where he did as that would have been saved by any keeper diving th e right way i think he wanted more height.
C'est la vie we still won

Deeney often smashes it down the middle and so whilst it may have looked ridiculous, it was actually a worthwhile ploy to just stand there

Quote from: junior white on September 16, 2021, 11:37:59 AM

Quote from: Fulham1959 on September 16, 2021, 11:30:22 AM

Quote from: Nick Bateman on September 15, 2021, 10:26:09 PM
Gazza looked so calm which is what one would want at the back. I still wonder why goalkeepers do not merely wait for a penalty to be kicked and dive at the ball, rather than try to outguess the kicker. If you did that for normal shots the 'keeper would be letting in 10 goals a game!

I hadn't realised that saving a penalty was that simple.   :022:

Most pens that are saved the keeper doesnt wait for the ball to be struck he guesses and goes base don research.

I am assuming last night that our keeper felt that based on film watched that Deeney was likely to go down the middle hence the standing still, he may also have shifted his weight to dive to his right and realised it went the other way. I actually do not think Deeney meant to put it where he did as that would have been saved by any keeper diving th e right way i think he wanted more height.
C'est la vie we still won

Pretty sure I saw Cholabah motioning to Gazza just the same (ie down the middle). To be fair to Deeney, he absolutely thumped it.

Gazza does look nervous at crucial times, and this obsession with parrying the ball as opposed to catching it is a huge shortcoming for a keeper at this level.
Having said that he got Ream off the hook and made a couple really decent saves with excellent reflexes, so his keeping of goal since he has been with Fulham is a bit of a mixed bag.
Nevertheless as mentioned above he could be seen as a dodgy keeper, and if I was defending in front of him I would not feel that comfortable.
End of the day we won 4 1 away at a ground which is not particularly welcoming on a pitch that looked as if it had been doctored to favour the home team which gave the impression of being a sticky and unpredictable surface. So there were mitigating circumstances on this occasion, but for me he has not convinced me that he is good enough for our team as first choice yet.

Have to admit, I was surprised he didn't even dive for their penalty. Just choose a side and you've a 50% or so chance of getting it right. Don't think I can remember seeing a gk who's job is to save goals not move for a penalty.

I personally thought Deeney was gonna go down the middle, so I wasnt upset that he didnt dive

Quote from: Caedal on September 16, 2021, 03:30:51 PM
I personally thought Deeney was gonna go down the middle, so I wasnt upset that he didnt dive

Exactly my sentiments

I've been one of Gazzaniga's biggest critics this season but I thought he was excellent last night. A number of good saves that contributed to the scoreline being far more comfortable than it might have been.

Maybe we can get Areola back if it looks like we are going up

Gazzaniga probably had his best game yesterday in a FFC shirt.  Made several very good saves.  BUT, to be honest, I expect those saves to be made at this level.  He has had very little to do in most of the games so far except to watch balls go past him.  So fair play, nice game v BCF.  That said, he did almost gift BCF a goal.  Very poor play that.  I agree with many in this thread that he looks very shaky in goal, and I would venture to say at some point he'll cost the team, and feel Rodak should be given a look, although probably won't happen until Gazz major faux pas.  Also, still feel that despite the poor defense, he should have made the save on the goal that beat us v Blackpool.

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 16, 2021, 02:44:50 PM
Gazza does look nervous at crucial times, and this obsession with parrying the ball as opposed to catching it is a huge shortcoming for a keeper at this level.
Having said that he got Ream off the hook and made a couple really decent saves with excellent reflexes, so his keeping of goal since he has been with Fulham is a bit of a mixed bag.
Nevertheless as mentioned above he could be seen as a dodgy keeper, and if I was defending in front of him I would not feel that comfortable.
End of the day we won 4 1 away at a ground which is not particularly welcoming on a pitch that looked as if it had been doctored to favour the home team which gave the impression of being a sticky and unpredictable surface. So there were mitigating circumstances on this occasion, but for me he has not convinced me that he is good enough for our team as first choice yet.

:plus one:  Yes, he made great saves, yes he made a great long clearance for wilson amongst others, but I was watching the match on sky and to be frank, how we got through the first 15 - 20 minutes without conceeding I have no idea, his tippy tappy passing around the defence, and on one occassion without even looking, had me in a nervous wreck, so the jury still out for me on him tbh.

Quote from: AshfordFFC on September 16, 2021, 05:16:07 PM

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 16, 2021, 02:44:50 PM
Gazza does look nervous at crucial times, and this obsession with parrying the ball as opposed to catching it is a huge shortcoming for a keeper at this level.
Having said that he got Ream off the hook and made a couple really decent saves with excellent reflexes, so his keeping of goal since he has been with Fulham is a bit of a mixed bag.
Nevertheless as mentioned above he could be seen as a dodgy keeper, and if I was defending in front of him I would not feel that comfortable.
End of the day we won 4 1 away at a ground which is not particularly welcoming on a pitch that looked as if it had been doctored to favour the home team which gave the impression of being a sticky and unpredictable surface. So there were mitigating circumstances on this occasion, but for me he has not convinced me that he is good enough for our team as first choice yet.

:plus one:  Yes, he made great saves, yes he made a great long clearance for wilson amongst others, but I was watching the match on sky and to be frank, how we got through the first 15 - 20 minutes without conceeding I have no idea, his tippy tappy passing around the defence, and on one occassion without even looking, had me in a nervous wreck, so the jury still out for me on him tbh.

Not sure they had a shot on target in the first 15-20 minutes \(perhaps apart from the free kick he saved and held). It was the last 25 mins where he made a number of very good saves.
Agree his passing out was poor, but Ream had a word with him after his worst one and no errors after that- showed decent captaincy and an understanding from Gazza too. Thought he looked pretty good.

I think the truth is that we have two very decent keeprs. Neither looks like ever becoing a VDS but very decent nonetheless.  Personally I marginally prefer Rodak as he leaves me feeling less nervous but I understand the views of those who feel that Gazza shades it.  I am slightly perplexed as to why we brought Gazza in given that there isn't a lot to choose between them and a bit concerned that Rodak might be seeking a transfer by the end of the season given Silva's obvious preference for Gazza. But I guess that's life.

Quote from: Twig on September 16, 2021, 05:40:56 PM
I think the truth is that we have two very decent keeprs. Neither looks like ever becoing a VDS but very decent nonetheless.  Personally I marginally prefer Rodak as he leaves me feeling less nervous but I understand the views of those who feel that Gazza shades it.  I am slightly perplexed as to why we brought Gazza in given that there isn't a lot to choose between them and a bit concerned that Rodak might be seeking a transfer by the end of the season given Silva's obvious preference for Gazza. But I guess that's life.
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Quote from: Jim© on September 16, 2021, 05:24:09 PM

Quote from: AshfordFFC on September 16, 2021, 05:16:07 PM

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 16, 2021, 02:44:50 PM
Gazza does look nervous at crucial times, and this obsession with parrying the ball as opposed to catching it is a huge shortcoming for a keeper at this level.
Having said that he got Ream off the hook and made a couple really decent saves with excellent reflexes, so his keeping of goal since he has been with Fulham is a bit of a mixed bag.
Nevertheless as mentioned above he could be seen as a dodgy keeper, and if I was defending in front of him I would not feel that comfortable.
End of the day we won 4 1 away at a ground which is not particularly welcoming on a pitch that looked as if it had been doctored to favour the home team which gave the impression of being a sticky and unpredictable surface. So there were mitigating circumstances on this occasion, but for me he has not convinced me that he is good enough for our team as first choice yet.

:plus one:  Yes, he made great saves, yes he made a great long clearance for wilson amongst others, but I was watching the match on sky and to be frank, how we got through the first 15 - 20 minutes without conceeding I have no idea, his tippy tappy passing around the defence, and on one occassion without even looking, had me in a nervous wreck, so the jury still out for me on him tbh.

Not sure they had a shot on target in the first 15-20 minutes \(perhaps apart from the free kick he saved and held). It was the last 25 mins where he made a number of very good saves.
Agree his passing out was poor, but Ream had a word with him after his worst one and no errors after that- showed decent captaincy and an understanding from Gazza too. Thought he looked pretty good.

His worst giveaway came late in the 1st half, but he made several solid saves in the second half to make the scoreline flattering.

I'm not rooting against the guy. If he wants to become and stay awesome, great. He's just been a very mixed bag, even yesterday. Hopefully, his confidence is up after seeing more action and contributing and he'll kick on.

Quote from: Denver Fulham on September 16, 2021, 08:18:30 PM

Quote from: Jim© on September 16, 2021, 05:24:09 PM

Quote from: AshfordFFC on September 16, 2021, 05:16:07 PM

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 16, 2021, 02:44:50 PM
Gazza does look nervous at crucial times, and this obsession with parrying the ball as opposed to catching it is a huge shortcoming for a keeper at this level.
Having said that he got Ream off the hook and made a couple really decent saves with excellent reflexes, so his keeping of goal since he has been with Fulham is a bit of a mixed bag.
Nevertheless as mentioned above he could be seen as a dodgy keeper, and if I was defending in front of him I would not feel that comfortable.
End of the day we won 4 1 away at a ground which is not particularly welcoming on a pitch that looked as if it had been doctored to favour the home team which gave the impression of being a sticky and unpredictable surface. So there were mitigating circumstances on this occasion, but for me he has not convinced me that he is good enough for our team as first choice yet.

:plus one:  Yes, he made great saves, yes he made a great long clearance for wilson amongst others, but I was watching the match on sky and to be frank, how we got through the first 15 - 20 minutes without conceeding I have no idea, his tippy tappy passing around the defence, and on one occassion without even looking, had me in a nervous wreck, so the jury still out for me on him tbh.

Not sure they had a shot on target in the first 15-20 minutes \(perhaps apart from the free kick he saved and held). It was the last 25 mins where he made a number of very good saves.
Agree his passing out was poor, but Ream had a word with him after his worst one and no errors after that- showed decent captaincy and an understanding from Gazza too. Thought he looked pretty good.

His worst giveaway came late in the 1st half, but he made several solid saves in the second half to make the scoreline flattering.

I'm not rooting against the guy. If he wants to become and stay awesome, great. He's just been a very mixed bag, even yesterday. Hopefully, his confidence is up after seeing more action and contributing and he'll kick on.

Wondering how much of his uncertainty is due to having not played week in week out for a long time whilst at Tottenham. Could just be finding his confidence and feet again.

Games like Birmingham, especially the second half will boost his confidence- rest can be worked on or coached.

Perhaps he needs a mistake to calm the nerves? We came up against a few teams early doors in Huddersfield and Stoke who we took to the cleaners in some respects, but you could argue they've been rejuvenated or much more focused since then and are subsequently doing well - sometimes things like that can really trigger a strong positive response.

I find it unbelievable that there are people on here just waiting for the "told you so" moment.

Quote from: cookieg on September 17, 2021, 09:49:32 AM
I find it unbelievable that there are people on here just waiting for the "told you so" moment.

I don't. Its what they always do.

I don't understand what the fuss is about. A number of really good saves. And just look.

Unreal stuff from Gazzaniga yesterday. Couldn't be more perfectly placed. Got overlooked because of the ridiculous foul that was ignored. #ffc pic.twitter.com/XUQEYpLbHi

— FulhamBone (@FulHambone) September 16, 2021

I am no0t sure why theymessages have to be quite so polarised. It is clkear that the current first chice keeper is not ideal. he does not command his area and seems to flap badly at crosses. On the other hand he is a reasonable shot stopper and generally good with his feet although birmingham was not his finest. Birmingham hads a succession of chance that a better team would have taken some of and a few were down to him not dominating the the box.

Silva likes him, we are top and conceeded very few. I wouldn't make a change yet but I feel sure that that moment will come as and when opponents exploit his shortcomings. But surely on the floor he seems to be a step up.

So Rodak comes in and starts flapping at crosses and drops the ball, his distribution isn't good. Will there be the same criticism? Or because he's considered "one of our own" he'll be let off?

I wasn't happy with Gazzaniga to begin with as his distribution was dodgy (and tweeted as such) but second half he did a stunning kick to Wilson and made a string of good saves. So I eat my words

He's looked dodgy at times, that's a fact - however he may well settle and prove to be our best keeper since time began; I certainly hope so. It's genuinely bewildering however why the same people time and time again get so upset and affronted when anyone dares to question a player. It's OK to think differently about things, and doesn't have to descend into outrage

He seems to kick further than anyone else we have had