One of the main reasons we didn't stay up in the PL last season was due to the fact we didn't get players in early enough, if we had things may have been different. Here's my list, some add depth, some would be starters. If we could get some of them in January great, but we should already have a summer list ready to go.
In
Areola
Rob Holding
Max Aarons
Ben Davies
Thomas Delaney
Tom Davies
Steven Bergwijn
Callum Wilson OR Andre Silva (if we have big money available)
John Swift (only if Fabio Carv leaves in January)
Callum Hudson-Odoi (loan?)
Out
Fabri
Terence Kongolo
Cyrus Christie
Denis Odoi
Tim Ream (a year extension?)
Ivan Cav
Joe Bryan
Gazzanigna
Knockaert
Nathaniel Chalobah
josh Onomah
Quina
Kamara (has he left already on a permanent?)
Anguisse
Some of the 'outs' would be loans like Chalobah for example.
That would be my list anyway, what are your thoughts, what players would you like to see?
I would keep Odoi, Ream, Kongolo (hopefully) and Bryan.
Areola would be fantastic. For me he was the best player in the prior EPL campaign.
Cannot say i've been following the other listed players closely but if possible another quality central defender would be good.
You would have to think Areola would like to come back if we get promoted. I would hold on to Joe Bryan for injury cover tbh.
If we make 10/11 changes we will go down again.
Need to keep similar squad this time like Brentford did & add in 3/4 quality additions
I don't think any of those 'Ins' would come to the Championship in January...
We certainly don't want to change the whole squad again, it hasn't worked either of the last 2 times, stability is key
Some decent names there
In
Areola - can't join to summer season one loan to WHU
Rob Holding - know some AFC fans who would willingly drive him to us
Max Aarons
Ben Davies
Thomas Delaney
Tom Davies
Steven Bergwijn
Callum Wilson OR Andre Silva (if we have big money available)
John Swift (only if Fabio Carv leaves in January) - perosnally wouldnt go for Swift far better available
Callum Hudson-Odoi (loan?) - no chance playing for Chelsea and also has some very lofty suitors
As for the outs
Out
Fabri - not even sure where he is these days
Terence Kongolo
Cyrus Christie
Denis Odoi
Tim Ream (a year extension?)
Ivan Cav
Joe Bryan
Gazzanigna - as AA cant come (if he wants to that is or if MS even wants him) to summer have to keep
Knockaert
Nathaniel Chalobah
josh Onomah
Quina - Send back
Kamara (has he left already on a permanent?) - already left on a perm deal
Anguissa - rumour is a deal done for a Jan transfer (hence the Fulgini link along with Seri being at the AFCON that is)
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on December 01, 2021, 07:32:08 AM
We certainly don't want to change the whole squad again, it hasn't worked either of the last 2 times, stability is key
No - but we do need to graft a number of very good players to our current squad. Of our current starting X1 for me Rodak, Tete, Tosin, Robinson, Reed, Seri, Wilson, Mitro, Fabio, Muniz, Kebano should be in a Prem squad - but not many would be guaranteed starters if we're to stay up.
Instead of Fungili (sp?) I'd like to see us buy Nathan Philips from Liverpool in January. He reminds me of Dunk and we need a settled back 5 before season end that would start.
Personally I think we need to be careful on how much change we introduce in a short period of time. Clearly some will go and need to go - but we need to keep the team ethos intact which seems pretty good at the moment. Defence is a very important area to make sure we solid - so maybe an addition here. I do think Mitro can cut it in the prem - he proved that with 11 goals in our first recent promotion. But we do need another striker - we might get away with Mitro injured at the moment in Championship but we will not in the prem.
Quote from: junior white on December 01, 2021, 08:11:19 AM
Some decent names there
As for the outs
Out
Fabri - not even sure where he is these days
Terence Kongolo
Cyrus Christie
Denis Odoi
Tim Ream (a year extension?)
Ivan Cav
Joe Bryan
Gazzanigna - as AA cant come (if he wants to that is or if MS even wants him) to summer have to keep
Knockaert
Nathaniel Chalobah
josh Onomah
Quina - Send back
Kamara (has he left already on a permanent?) - already left on a perm deal
Anguissa - rumour is a deal done for a Jan transfer (hence the Fulgini link along with Seri being at the AFCON that is)
Quote from: junior white on December 01, 2021, 08:11:19 AM
Some decent names there
In
Areola - can't join to summer season one loan to WHU
Rob Holding - know some AFC fans who would willingly drive him to us
Max Aarons
Ben Davies
Thomas Delaney
Tom Davies
Steven Bergwijn
Callum Wilson OR Andre Silva (if we have big money available)
John Swift (only if Fabio Carv leaves in January) - perosnally wouldnt go for Swift far better available
Callum Hudson-Odoi (loan?) - no chance playing for Chelsea and also has some very lofty suitors
As for the outs
Out
Fabri - not even sure where he is these days
Terence Kongolo
Cyrus Christie
Denis Odoi
Tim Ream (a year extension?)
Ivan Cav
Joe Bryan
Gazzanigna - as AA cant come (if he wants to that is or if MS even wants him) to summer have to keep
Knockaert
Nathaniel Chalobah
josh Onomah
Quina - Send back
Kamara (has he left already on a permanent?) - already left on a perm deal
Anguissa - rumour is a deal done for a Jan transfer (hence the Fulgini link along with Seri being at the AFCON that is)
Only commenting on the outs as I don't know enough about the proposed ins, apart from Areola who I would love to have back in the summer.
Fabri - should definitely go. A kid was picked instead of him for the bench last time out which says it all.
Kongolo - will he ever be fit again? If so keep him, if not who would take him?
Christie - agreed, Silva clearly doesn't rate him
Odoi - what a fantastic servant to the club he has been but certainly not Prem level
Ream - already signed a year's extension and will be heading back to the States in the summer
Ivan Cav - would love to see him depart, has never really been consistent for us
Bryan/Gazza - would keep both as back up, especially if we can't get AA
Knocky - think we would both benefit if he moved on to a team where he could command a regular place
Chalobah - I would keep him, he looked promising when he played
Onomah - would be happy to see him go
Quina - ship back. Silva has alluded to the fact he doesn't work hard...
Kamara/Anguissa - all been said above
I'd love to get Areola but absolutely no way is thatgoing to happen. He will be WHU's number 1 next year as Fabianski moves towards retirement and maybe coaching.
Quote from: JackHamlet90 on December 01, 2021, 06:26:23 AM
If we make 10/11 changes we will go down again.
Need to keep similar squad this time like Brentford did & add in 3/4 quality additions
Fully agree ,surely we have learnt that splashing £100m on a new team doesn't work, We just need to reinforce with real quality in a few places to start with.
Priorities
1. Retain Carvalho, Tete, Tosin, Wilson, Seri, Robinson, and Mitro.to form basis of team .
Then sign Areola, Andersen, A new top midfield general and a wide man to assist Mitro.
we do not need a new keeper, it is not a proiority and the money better spent elsewhere.
I agree with some names on the 'out list' and not others but it serves no purpose to worry now because it is November and in fact to include the acting captain and the alternative right back and utility player is a bit of an insult. They may not be starters if we go up but they would be valuable assets to have in the squad.
regarding incoming.... we will have to wait and see who is actually avaialble but silva is shrewd and I am sure will want the business concluded early.
Quote from: LC on November 30, 2021, 11:57:17 PM
Out
Fabri- yep, save on some wages
Terence Kongolo- if he can get fit, people will understand why we've held on for so long
Cyrus Christie- yep 100%- could do a very good job for Champ team- even as back up for Prem team
Denis Odoi - ideal back up to keep- 3rd choice RB/LB even CB if we're really pushed
Tim Ream (a year extension?) - probably our best CB so far this season, I'd not be too keen to get rid
Ivan Cav - yep, again probably do a job for someone somewhere. If he could play like he did v Huddersfield all the time....
Joe Bryan - Nope, 100% keep the guy, though he must be frustrated watching someone ahead of him who struggles to kick a ball sometimes- so think he may want to go.
Gazzanigna - seen nothing as bad as people make out about him. No clangers really- perhapas depends on bringing in another number 1
Knockaert - yep, see if we can get him off the wage bill. Like the bloke and his workrate, but he's not going to get many chances is he?
Nathaniel Chalobah- No, i'd keep the guy, he's a very very good midfielder as shown in glimpses before injury.
josh Onomah- again, i'd keep the bloke. He was running things for us at the start of the season and he's more than a good back up.
Quina - off he goes, a shame really.
Kamara (has he left already on a permanent?) - gone
Anguisse - going I'm sure. He's burned his bridges with us, time to get whatever £ we can back for him unfortunately.
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on December 01, 2021, 07:32:08 AM
We certainly don't want to change the whole squad again, it hasn't worked either of the last 2 times, stability is key
I don't understand this sentiment. We only changed the whole squad last time because the one we went up with was getting embarrassed weekly.
Similarly, we need to add quality to this roster should we go up. What works for some guys (like Seri) in the Champ won't be allowed in the Prem.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on December 01, 2021, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on December 01, 2021, 07:32:08 AM
We certainly don't want to change the whole squad again, it hasn't worked either of the last 2 times, stability is key
I don't understand this sentiment. We only changed the whole squad last time because the one we went up with was getting embarrassed weekly.
Similarly, we need to add quality to this roster should we go up. What works for some guys (like Seri) in the Champ won't be allowed in the Prem.
We went down last season for one reason really- we didn't take the chances that came our way.
If we'd improved that ability we'd still be in the Prem league (not because of the evil Scott Parker- as some people see him, nor the dastardly Director of Football- as some people think him).
Our conversion rate needs to improve- having Wilson, a back-to-firing-Mitro and an attacking midfield that can contribute goals will help.
You could argue that Andersen & Areola will require replacing of course. which won't be an easy job at all.
Do we want to stay up. This season is far more exciting
Quote from: Denver Fulham on December 01, 2021, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on December 01, 2021, 07:32:08 AM
We certainly don't want to change the whole squad again, it hasn't worked either of the last 2 times, stability is key
I don't understand this sentiment. We only changed the whole squad last time because the one we went up with was getting embarrassed weekly.
Similarly, we need to add quality to this roster should we go up. What works for some guys (like Seri) in the Champ won't be allowed in the Prem.
Well I think WSW is right - but you also mentioned the word quality which is correct. However, it is crazy to repeat the same mistake of trying to replace half of the team in June/July season and then expecting the team to be ready for the beginning of August.
I think we will need 4-5 absolute quality signings (if possible better players than those proposed by the original poster), but integrate no more than 3 of them immediately into team. That way - starting the new season with a stronger first 11, but one that still retains the cohesion and team spirit from this season.
Last season we were not far off - but negative tactics and RLC put paid to any chance that we had.
I would be happy for the following 8 players to start the first game next season:
Rodak
Robinson
Tosin
Tete
Reed
Wilson
Carvalho
Mitrovic
The main weakness is centre half - we need a player of Andersen's quality and in midfield, where we need bigger stronger players who also offer some creativity and goal threat (I'm thinking of players in a similar mould to West Ham's duo of Declan Rice and Soucek).
If we could sign Areola that would also be great and perhaps a player to challenge Kebano for a first team spot (in other words someone better than Cavaleiro and Knockaert!)
To clarify my original post, All the players I think should come in shouldn't necessarily start. I would have thought 6 players from the current lineup will start next season.
The core of the team as I see it: Tosin, Tete, Reed, Seri, Fabio Cav and Mitrovic. You can throw Wilson in there as well. That's 6 or 7 players i would expect to play next season, but I think we can improve on the other positions as well as providing new players to compete for places- Mitrovic should have a direct competitor for example
Quote from: ALG01 on December 01, 2021, 12:52:56 PM
we do not need a new keeper, it is not a priority and the money better spent elsewhere.
Agreed. I see no reason why Rodak can't be future keeper on this team regardless of league we're in. Also agree that 3-4 solid additions are all that is necessary, don't want to totally destroy locker room created so far this season, and what it would be assuming we do go up. At minimum, one backline defender/one strong midfielder/one more forward to complement/back up Mitrovic.
Quote from: Fulham 442 on December 01, 2021, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: junior white on December 01, 2021, 08:11:19 AM
Some decent names there
As for the outs
Out
Fabri - not even sure where he is these days
Terence Kongolo
Cyrus Christie
Denis Odoi
Tim Ream (a year extension?)
Ivan Cav
Joe Bryan
Gazzanigna - as AA cant come (if he wants to that is or if MS even wants him) to summer have to keep
Knockaert
Nathaniel Chalobah
josh Onomah
Quina - Send back
Kamara (has he left already on a permanent?) - already left on a perm deal
Anguissa - rumour is a deal done for a Jan transfer (hence the Fulgini link along with Seri being at the AFCON that is)
Quote from: junior white on December 01, 2021, 08:11:19 AM
Some decent names there
In
Areola - can't join to summer season one loan to WHU
Rob Holding - know some AFC fans who would willingly drive him to us
Max Aarons
Ben Davies
Thomas Delaney
Tom Davies
Steven Bergwijn
Callum Wilson OR Andre Silva (if we have big money available)
John Swift (only if Fabio Carv leaves in January) - perosnally wouldnt go for Swift far better available
Callum Hudson-Odoi (loan?) - no chance playing for Chelsea and also has some very lofty suitors
As for the outs
Out
Fabri - not even sure where he is these days
Terence Kongolo
Cyrus Christie
Denis Odoi
Tim Ream (a year extension?)
Ivan Cav
Joe Bryan
Gazzanigna - as AA cant come (if he wants to that is or if MS even wants him) to summer have to keep
Knockaert
Nathaniel Chalobah
josh Onomah
Quina - Send back
Kamara (has he left already on a permanent?) - already left on a perm deal
Anguissa - rumour is a deal done for a Jan transfer (hence the Fulgini link along with Seri being at the AFCON that is)
Only commenting on the outs as I don't know enough about the proposed ins, apart from Areola who I would love to have back in the summer.
Fabri - should definitely go. A kid was picked instead of him for the bench last time out whi
Tbf, Fabri not on squad list so can't play. He is always on the pitch at warm up before matches but prob as close as he will get. Amazed he hasn't gone out on loan
Quote from: The Cravenette on December 01, 2021, 05:00:53 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on December 01, 2021, 09:38:50 AM
Quote from: junior white on December 01, 2021, 08:11:19 AM
Some decent names there
As for the outs
Out
Fabri - not even sure where he is these days
Terence Kongolo
Cyrus Christie
Denis Odoi
Tim Ream (a year extension?)
Ivan Cav
Joe Bryan
Gazzanigna - as AA cant come (if he wants to that is or if MS even wants him) to summer have to keep
Knockaert
Nathaniel Chalobah
josh Onomah
Quina - Send back
Kamara (has he left already on a permanent?) - already left on a perm deal
Anguissa - rumour is a deal done for a Jan transfer (hence the Fulgini link along with Seri being at the AFCON that is)
Quote from: junior white on December 01, 2021, 08:11:19 AM
Some decent names there
In
Areola - can't join to summer season one loan to WHU
Rob Holding - know some AFC fans who would willingly drive him to us
Max Aarons
Ben Davies
Thomas Delaney
Tom Davies
Steven Bergwijn
Callum Wilson OR Andre Silva (if we have big money available)
John Swift (only if Fabio Carv leaves in January) - perosnally wouldnt go for Swift far better available
Callum Hudson-Odoi (loan?) - no chance playing for Chelsea and also has some very lofty suitors
As for the outs
Out
Fabri - not even sure where he is these days
Terence Kongolo
Cyrus Christie
Denis Odoi
Tim Ream (a year extension?)
Ivan Cav
Joe Bryan
Gazzanigna - as AA cant come (if he wants to that is or if MS even wants him) to summer have to keep
Knockaert
Nathaniel Chalobah
josh Onomah
Quina - Send back
Kamara (has he left already on a permanent?) - already left on a perm deal
Anguissa - rumour is a deal done for a Jan transfer (hence the Fulgini link along with Seri being at the AFCON that is)
Only commenting on the outs as I don't know enough about the proposed ins, apart from Areola who I would love to have back in the summer.
Fabri - should definitely go. A kid was picked instead of him for the bench last time out whi
Tbf, Fabri not on squad list so can't play. He is always on the pitch at warm up before matches but prob as close as he will get. Amazed he hasn't gone out on loan
Oh okay, that makes sense then but also makes sense for him to move on in some capacity.
Pointless us mere mortals discussing names of ins & outs. We just need to identify the positions that would need strengthening. Whether starters or backups depends on who we could acquire & whether it would be in January or the summer.
First would be an equal quality RB to Tete. Then a left sided CB. Then Defensive MF. Then attacking creative MF. Oven ready striker to compete with Mitro. Finally a quality LW as competition for Kebano.
Quote from: grandad on December 01, 2021, 05:17:49 PM
Pointless us mere mortals discussing names of ins & outs. We just need to identify the positions that would need strengthening. Whether starters or backups depends on who we could acquire & whether it would be in January or the summer.
First would be an equal quality RB to Tete. Then a left sided CB. Then Defensive MF. Then attacking creative MF. Oven ready striker to compete with Mitro. Finally a quality LW as competition for Kebano.
I definitely think the outs need discussing...we need to start moving players on that never get on the bench, never mind game time..
Any sensible strategy would start a) with the budget, then b) focus on staying a yo-yo team and then c) see how we can improve with extra money and trades. But let's not be over ambitious because that risks us losing the yo-yo status we have to be a "league one team".
The budget is easy over the next three years from 1st July 2022 assuming maximum FFP loses is
a) £127m if we don't go up (based on previous seasons accounts)
b) £316m if we do go up
Conclusion: We have an extra £189m over three years if promoted.
Staying a yo-yo team will require extending most of the players contracts for two years, which based on wages in the championship season of 2019/2020 would cost around £140m.
Giving FFC around £49m on transfer spending which is enough to bring in three premier league players (assuming we keep Fabio, Anguissa, and all other players). Realistically, we probably will sell Fabio and Anguissa freeing up enough money to bring in two more midfielders. In addition with three premier league players coming in, we will probably be discarding three to four championship players which gives the budget to buy one more premier league player.
Giving us six more players, two of whom replace Anguiissa and Fabio, plus four other players.
I think Rodak; Tete, Tosin, Robinson; Anguissa, Fabio; Wilson and Mitrovic plus one of Reed, Seri or Cairney are good enough to start, while our others wingers are good enough for the bench.
If I had budget for four players, I would get:
A new centre back (replacing Ream with young Premier League quality playerlike Anderson)
A left winger (replacing Kebano with young Premier League quality player like Lookman)
A utility defender (ie CB/RB/LB replacing Odoi with young Premier League quality player like Aina)
Plus whatever position underperforms for the rest of the season (eg GK, LB, DM, AM etc)
Alternatively, instead of buying a sixth player we could also buy several low budget championship players that replace like with like but only a little younger etc.
Unfortunately, with only six new players we will struggle to stay up with any injuries, but not going over that budget means the 2023/24 season will be much better if either we stay up or get relegated.
Ultimately, no amount of spending within FFP limits guarantees staying up, but spending well should mean our next three season 2022-2025 will be the "Best three seasons of the Khans so Far". Beyond that we need our new players to be young (21-25 years old) so the squad additions last a long time.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on December 02, 2021, 12:03:20 AM
Any sensible strategy would start a) with the budget, then b) focus on staying a yo-yo team and then c) see how we can improve with extra money and trades. But let's not be over ambitious because that risks us losing the yo-yo status we have to be a "league one team".
The budget is easy over the next three years from 1st July 2022 assuming maximum FFP loses is
a) £127m if we don't go up (based on previous seasons accounts)
b) £316m if we do go up
Conclusion: We have an extra £189m over three years if promoted.
Staying a yo-yo team will require extending most of the players contracts for two years, which based on wages in the championship season of 2019/2020 would cost around £140m.
Giving FFC around £49m on transfer spending which is enough to bring in three premier league players (assuming we keep Fabio, Anguissa, and all other players). Realistically, we probably will sell Fabio and Anguissa freeing up enough money to bring in two more midfielders. In addition with three premier league players coming in, we will probably be discarding three to four championship players which gives the budget to buy one more premier league player.
Giving us six more players, two of whom replace Anguiissa and Fabio, plus four other players.
I think Rodak; Tete, Tosin, Robinson; Anguissa, Fabio; Wilson and Mitrovic plus one of Reed, Seri or Cairney are good enough to start, while our others wingers are good enough for the bench.
If I had budget for four players, I would get:
A new centre back (replacing Ream with young Premier League quality playerlike Anderson)
A left winger (replacing Kebano with young Premier League quality player like Lookman)
A utility defender (ie CB/RB/LB replacing Odoi with young Premier League quality player like Aina)
Plus whatever position underperforms for the rest of the season (eg GK, LB, DM, AM etc)
Alternatively, instead of buying a sixth player we could also buy several low budget championship players that replace like with like but only a little younger etc.
Unfortunately, with only six new players we will struggle to stay up with any injuries, but not going over that budget means the 2023/24 season will be much better if either we stay up or get relegated.
Ultimately, no amount of spending within FFP limits guarantees staying up, but spending well should mean our next three season 2022-2025 will be the "Best three seasons of the Khans so Far". Beyond that we need our new players to be young (21-25 years old) so the squad additions last a long time.
What about experience which will be needed to consolidate in the Premier League if we do reach it
Quote from: Denver Fulham on December 01, 2021, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on December 01, 2021, 07:32:08 AM
We certainly don't want to change the whole squad again, it hasn't worked either of the last 2 times, stability is key
I don't understand this sentiment. We only changed the whole squad last time because the one we went up with was getting embarrassed weekly.
Similarly, we need to add quality to this roster should we go up. What works for some guys (like Seri) in the Champ won't be allowed in the Prem.
Agreed, he is a fantastic player and we all give him Love. O:)
In the PS he will be hammered by cleverer and better quality and informed squads when he "does his thing" in defense.
He's been caught out, in position recently
I think he would be better in a more advantage position where he could be devasting, but we seem to have enough
players in that role already, but will they be PS players next season
But I think that he will be an excellent asset next year whichever divisoiion we are in.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 02, 2021, 12:33:25 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on December 02, 2021, 12:03:20 AM
Any sensible strategy would start a) with the budget, then b) focus on staying a yo-yo team and then c) see how we can improve with extra money and trades. But let's not be over ambitious because that risks us losing the yo-yo status we have to be a "league one team".
The budget is easy over the next three years from 1st July 2022 assuming maximum FFP loses is
a) £127m if we don't go up (based on previous seasons accounts)
b) £316m if we do go up
Conclusion: We have an extra £189m over three years if promoted.
Staying a yo-yo team will require extending most of the players contracts for two years, which based on wages in the championship season of 2019/2020 would cost around £140m.
Giving FFC around £49m on transfer spending which is enough to bring in three premier league players (assuming we keep Fabio, Anguissa, and all other players). Realistically, we probably will sell Fabio and Anguissa freeing up enough money to bring in two more midfielders. In addition with three premier league players coming in, we will probably be discarding three to four championship players which gives the budget to buy one more premier league player.
Giving us six more players, two of whom replace Anguiissa and Fabio, plus four other players.
I think Rodak; Tete, Tosin, Robinson; Anguissa, Fabio; Wilson and Mitrovic plus one of Reed, Seri or Cairney are good enough to start, while our others wingers are good enough for the bench.
If I had budget for four players, I would get:
A new centre back (replacing Ream with young Premier League quality playerlike Anderson)
A left winger (replacing Kebano with young Premier League quality player like Lookman)
A utility defender (ie CB/RB/LB replacing Odoi with young Premier League quality player like Aina)
Plus whatever position underperforms for the rest of the season (eg GK, LB, DM, AM etc)
Alternatively, instead of buying a sixth player we could also buy several low budget championship players that replace like with like but only a little younger etc.
Unfortunately, with only six new players we will struggle to stay up with any injuries, but not going over that budget means the 2023/24 season will be much better if either we stay up or get relegated.
Ultimately, no amount of spending within FFP limits guarantees staying up, but spending well should mean our next three season 2022-2025 will be the "Best three seasons of the Khans so Far". Beyond that we need our new players to be young (21-25 years old) so the squad additions last a long time.
What about experience which will be needed to consolidate in the Premier League if we do reach it
Unfortunately, we probably don't have enough money for experience as the prices for premier league experience are very high indeed. Players like Phil Jones are available for £20m wages over five years, who would improve our chances but not guarantee staying up, so for me they are frankly not worth the investment when it means sacfricing other areas (such as keeping Fabio or replacing him with someone young). Better we just keep building our squad with youth, while players like Harrison Reed learn to lead.
The Leadership of the Team will have to come from players like Rodak, Tete, Tosin, Kongolo, Reed, and Cairney, which is a plan that could easily fail.
In our intial 13 years in the Prem, becoming what seemed an established mid table side, we relied a lot on older players, often towards the end of their careers.
Players like Murphy, Duff, Zamora, Schwarzer, Gera were rejuvenated at Fulham.
Quote from: ALG01 on December 01, 2021, 12:52:56 PM
we do not need a new keeper, it is not a proiority and the money better spent elsewhere.
I agree with some names on the 'out list' and not others but it serves no purpose to worry now because it is November and in fact to include the acting captain and the alternative right back and utility player is a bit of an insult. They may not be starters if we go up but they would be valuable assets to have in the squad.
regarding incoming.... we will have to wait and see who is actually avaialble but silva is shrewd and I am sure will want the business concluded early.
Were we to get promoted, still a big "if", I too agree that Rodak should be given a chance as our number one. He is having a great season and if there is one position on the pitch where you cannot tell if performance is affected by the standard of others, it's probably the keeper. I still really don't know if Gazza is good enough for number 2, but elements of his game have concerned me.
Ambitious ins and a lot of money. Also, Delaney while he's a great player just joined Sevilla - he won't be moving nor coming to the champ any time soon.
Quote from: Lordedmundo on December 01, 2021, 03:24:10 PM
Quote from: Denver Fulham on December 01, 2021, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: WestSussexWhite on December 01, 2021, 07:32:08 AM
We certainly don't want to change the whole squad again, it hasn't worked either of the last 2 times, stability is key
I don't understand this sentiment. We only changed the whole squad last time because the one we went up with was getting embarrassed weekly.
Similarly, we need to add quality to this roster should we go up. What works for some guys (like Seri) in the Champ won't be allowed in the Prem.
Well I think WSW is right - but you also mentioned the word quality which is correct. However, it is crazy to repeat the same mistake of trying to replace half of the team in June/July season and then expecting the team to be ready for the beginning of August.
I think we will need 4-5 absolute quality signings (if possible better players than those proposed by the original poster), but integrate no more than 3 of them immediately into team. That way - starting the new season with a stronger first 11, but one that still retains the cohesion and team spirit from this season.
Last season we were not far off - but negative tactics and RLC put paid to any chance that we had.
I would be happy for the following 8 players to start the first game next season:
Rodak
Robinson
Tosin
Tete
Reed
Wilson
Carvalho
Mitrovic
The main weakness is centre half - we need a player of Andersen's quality and in midfield, where we need bigger stronger players who also offer some creativity and goal threat (I'm thinking of players in a similar mould to West Ham's duo of Declan Rice and Soucek).
If we could sign Areola that would also be great and perhaps a player to challenge Kebano for a first team spot (in other words someone better than Cavaleiro and Knockaert!)
No Seri? Been better than Reed this season
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What about experience which will be needed to consolidate in the Premier League if we do reach it
Unfortunately, we probably don't have enough money for experience as the prices for premier league experience are very high indeed. Players like Phil Jones are available for £20m wages over five years, who would improve our chances but not guarantee staying up, so for me they are frankly not worth the investment when it means sacfricing other areas (such as keeping Fabio or replacing him with someone young). Better we just keep building our squad with youth, while players like Harrison Reed learn to lead.
The Leadership of the Team will have to come from players like Rodak, Tete, Tosin, Kongolo, Reed, and Cairney, which is a plan that could easily fail.
I see where you are coming from - but I don't fully agree. It is not about buying overpriced Premier League players like Phil Jones (who I don't rate anyway), but identifying players we can sign who have the potential to be as good (or even better) than these big names from top clubs who are unwanted and/or overpriced.
For instance - Palace signed Andersen for £17.5m which is great value compared to Ben White at £52m. They also secured a great loan deal for Conor Gallagher and previously signed players like Milivojevic for £15m and Kouyate for £10m.
Then you have West Ham who signed Soucek and Coufal for a combined £20m and may well buy Areola for £13m (is Ramsdale really worth twice as much?)
The players of sufficient quality are out there, and as a London club we do have the ability to compete with other Premier League teams to sign them. But, clearly we need to make better choices than the last two times we went up...
We need to sign/loan 5 players for next years starting 11.
GK
CB
MC
LW
AM/CF
If we cant get that type of quality in Jan I wouldn't buy or borrow anyone, except if we get any injury that we need a replacement for.
Bergwijn on a loan to buy deal would be amazing, but i think he will get much more attractive offers form abroad.
Going the other way:
Fabri - someone might take him and pay part of his salary
Christie - might be able to get a few 100k for him
Knockaert - loan with option to buy for someone like She U?
Think we will keep the rest as the saving from offloading them is insignificant (Sess, Quina etc.)
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Any sensible strategy would start a) with the budget, then b) focus on staying a yo-yo team and then c) see how we can improve with extra money and trades. But let's not be over ambitious because that risks us losing the yo-yo status we have to be a "league one team".
The budget is easy over the next three years from 1st July 2022 assuming maximum FFP loses is
a) £127m if we don't go up (based on previous seasons accounts)
b) £316m if we do go up
Conclusion: We have an extra £189m over three years if promoted.
Staying a yo-yo team will require extending most of the players contracts for two years, which based on wages in the championship season of 2019/2020 would cost around £140m.
Giving FFC around £49m on transfer spending which is enough to bring in three premier league players (assuming we keep Fabio, Anguissa, and all other players). Realistically, we probably will sell Fabio and Anguissa freeing up enough money to bring in two more midfielders. In addition with three premier league players coming in, we will probably be discarding three to four championship players which gives the budget to buy one more premier league player.
Giving us six more players, two of whom replace Anguiissa and Fabio, plus four other players.
I think Rodak; Tete, Tosin, Robinson; Anguissa, Fabio; Wilson and Mitrovic plus one of Reed, Seri or Cairney are good enough to start, while our others wingers are good enough for the bench.
If I had budget for four players, I would get:
A new centre back (replacing Ream with young Premier League quality playerlike Anderson)
A left winger (replacing Kebano with young Premier League quality player like Lookman)
A utility defender (ie CB/RB/LB replacing Odoi with young Premier League quality player like Aina)
Plus whatever position underperforms for the rest of the season (eg GK, LB, DM, AM etc)
Alternatively, instead of buying a sixth player we could also buy several low budget championship players that replace like with like but only a little younger etc.
Unfortunately, with only six new players we will struggle to stay up with any injuries, but not going over that budget means the 2023/24 season will be much better if either we stay up or get relegated.
Ultimately, no amount of spending within FFP limits guarantees staying up, but spending well should mean our next three season 2022-2025 will be the "Best three seasons of the Khans so Far". Beyond that we need our new players to be young (21-25 years old) so the squad additions last a long time.
What about experience which will be needed to consolidate in the Premier League if we do reach it
Unfortunately, we probably don't have enough money for experience as the prices for premier league experience are very high indeed. Players like Phil Jones are available for £20m wages over five years, who would improve our chances but not guarantee staying up, so for me they are frankly not worth the investment when it means sacfricing other areas (such as keeping Fabio or replacing him with someone young). Better we just keep building our squad with youth, while players like Harrison Reed learn to lead.
The Leadership of the Team will have to come from players like Rodak, Tete, Tosin, Kongolo, Reed, and Cairney, which is a plan that could easily fail.
I have no idea what everyone's obsession is with Kongolo, he's literally played like 2 games for us and is permanently injured, he needs to leave. And Cairney won't start in the PL next year.
We need to bring in PL experienced players, it doesn't have to cost the earth and we'll still keep the core of the team.
We should look at Stephy Mavididi in the summer, Montpellier, ex-Arsenal youth player, very quick and knows where the goal is, can player as a striker as well as left winger.
