Friends of Fulham

I may be opening a can of worms, but I am curious as to how the board feels about vandalism and hooliganism.  Especially when it stems from Football.     

I am going to leave this poll open only to FoF members for a day then open it up to everyone.  I am more interested in how this board thinks of this more so then nonmembers.   

A mate of mine who goes to away matches on a regular basis has been witness to a couple of trends among the younger generation.  He and another FFC fan took to tweeter after the Reading match to express their displeasure and disappointment in this current trend of behavior which I will list below.   

First, there is a current trend of younger fans celebrating goals by throwing themselves around in celebration.  This would not be a big deal if it were not for the incent bystander who gets caught up in the melee I.e., elderly fans as well as little children.  The fns end up in a pile of human bodies that resemble the likes of A mosh pit.   

Second, fans who celebrate by breaking their seats in the stadiums.  This is usually at an away match.  My mate and his friends witnessed an FFC fan who pulled the sit down then jumped up and down on the seat until it was broken.   

Third, fans who celebrate their win in the streets upon leaving the match by vandalizing property, overturning trash bins and throwing trash everywhere.  Again, usually at away matches on the way back to the train station.   

My mate and others have been called out on tweeter for saying these things are unacceptable.  He in turn has been called things like "Grass" and "coffin dodger" even though he only in his early 40's.  There seems to be a large portion of FFC fans online who except these behaviors as normal in the tweeter world and even point out that it happens all the time at the Cottage and that it's no big deal as these are the actions of young fans who are celebrating and having fun.   

I just can't accept the reason that "it's ok because it happens at the Cottage or that it's just a plastic seat, get over it.  Nor do I accept the explanation that their just young fans celebrating.  That everyone does these things when they are young so let it go.   

So, the question again is do you think this is ok, no big deal or that you just don't care.  I really would like to hear everyone's thoughts on this.   

I should add some of the twitter reactions and responses that my mate has received.   

- You dirty grass.  Rat!

- Not condoning this but it is done at Craven Cottage quite regularly.  (As if it's ok because it happens at the Cottage so it's ok to do it at away matches)

- And the Fulham supporters trust are a right bunch of wet weekends the Mary Whitehouses of the football world ! The last meeting they had they discussed halal catering options at the cottage ? Or hoe the bogs flush in the Stevenage road stand !!

- We don't half attract some wet weekends does it really matter if a seat got broken probably by accident hardly worth mentioning . Derby we're throwing ours on the pitch after their play off semi defeat

- Whilst I CBA to do this myself, give it a rest. It's not the end of the world and perhaps a few seats being damaged are collateral damage of a good away win. Our fans are way better behaved than the 90% of the football league

- It's a seat mate it doesn't have feelings The other point is sadly we are not alone, whilst at Millwall for an under 23 game on Monday I learned about some damage to seating by Crystal Palace fans last weekend. Allowing fans to stand in seated areas and rail standing areas will not help. Controversial but sadly true.

- As a Fulham fan, ur the support we don't want in our club, ur the person who sets the tone of our fans and now we're tinpot, change to Bournemouth please we don't accept grasses like u

- Seems we do have more than our fair share of idiots atm. Not all youngsters either. They seem to care little for the safety or comfort of their fellow supporters. Thankfully was able to enjoy the win at Reading and clearly see the game albeit I did move to a different seat.

I saw the reactions to the subject on the TIFF. Nothing on that board surprises me any more

As to "limbs" - try sitting in front of a half drunk 6 foot bloke who throws himself forward when  a goal is scored.

TIFF was not kind to my mate as they went on there and mocked him. 

I think it's wrong, and an example of  the aggression and intolerance of the times.

Must admit I haven't witnessed it, but haven't been to an away, or any, game since Huddersfield at the start of the season, and am usually sitting near the front anyway.

Hud/field was a great win for us, but the fans around me were  very well behaved - I was sitting next to a woman who didn't show any response at all to the Fulham goals, which  is completely fine, and her prerogative, of course.

There are some right little twats who follow Fulham away. They seem to revel in behaviour I thought we'd left behind. Fulham supporters or not if my young daughter got hurt but one of these bellends jumping in her is throttle them

Right or wrong aside (but for completeness I think it's wrong), there's a cost for policing/fixing these things which ultimately gets passed into fans. I don't like paying higher prices for other people's stupidity.

I also started attending games at a young age, and I think it's important for matches to feel safe and inviting for all.

Appalling . Individuals should always consider how their own behaviour impacts on others. End of.

I'm all for enthusiastic celebrating, but criminal damage can't be justified within any context

Quote from: RaySmith on January 14, 2022, 06:56:53 AM
I think it's wrong, and an example of  the aggression and intolerance of the times.

Must admit I haven't witnessed it, but haven't been to an away, or any, game since Huddersfield at the start of the season, and am usually sitting near the front anyway.

Hud/field was a great win for us, but the fans around me were  very well behaved - I was sitting next to a woman who didn't show any response at all to the Fulham goals, which  is completely fine, and her prerogative, of course.

Did you take her pulse  ?

The thing is, some people say 'high jinks', I'd say it all looks a bit embarrassing and pathetic. Wonder if they would even think about doing this at somewhere like QPR, rather than a deserted Reading with no locals about. Hope not because they might have to suddenly grow up (or more likely scarper)

Ban people for life if they disrespect other clubs facilities or their own supporters. More cameras to make sure they are caught.

I don't the throwing yourself around like crazy in celebration, it's the kind of thing I probably did years ago, but I don't have time for anyone intentionally damaging property and don't want them at my football club.

I don't believe anyone is condoning or normalising this behaviour, of course it should be condemned. It's the grassing of other Fulham supporters which feels wrong, (though obviously not to the same extent as to the behaviour itself); it's a slippery slope.

The online reaction to this behaviour may also do little to discourage it but rather have the opposite effect in terms of "street cred" etc.

I was injured at Peterborough when we scored with people behind me pushing me over a row of seats,this wasn't the normal celebration of a goal.I would ask those doing it to please consider if they would like their parents/grandparents subjected to that.

We have, at this moment in time, a very special breed of yoof coming through, which is highlighted more now that we have the use of social media etc.

The group in question, which you've all probably seen on Twitter, go to away games, and take pictures of their train table loaded up with ridiculous amounts of booze.

Look, there's nothing wrong in this, I used to do it myself, even got nicked a couple of times when playing up at away games, but, I was always respectable to those around me.

This mob, don't seem to have any respect. Yeah, there's celebrating, jumping up and down, but physically throwing yourselves over rows of seats just isn't on.

They don't know if the elderly, or kids with parents have booked tickets near them, what then ?

Their attitude seems to b F-you, if you don't like it, sit down the front, which again, is disrespectful to those around them, who can book tickets wherever they like. 

Another thing, is that one of these yoof was crying on social media recently about being abused at Coventry, yet is being film chucking bin bags around up Reading high street.

Oh the irony !!!

A slightly strange poll, can't imagine any on this board that is going to be for vandalism and violence

I'm of an age where it was the bad old day's.....but, at the time it was normal.... I'm also of an age where we'd go to fulham, qpr, chelsea, wimbledon, palace, brighton and just about every club in between - if we could afford it, and someone was at home we'd go..... Is this a new phase of football - conditioned by social media?

Not only is it the sort of thing the behaviour I would hope people would grow out of once they reach six years of age. But this ridiculous idea that'grassing' on somebody is wrong if they vandalise, do any harm to another, or take something. Again is just so childish. The petty telling on others can only look bad for very minor issues.

But I don't care if you are a Fulham fan, like the same bands as me or share my love of pogo sticks and bridal wear with thigh boots. If you commit a crime that harms others or is dangerous to others you are a numpty and deserve to be punished.

"it's only a seat" is such a ridiculous arguement. Guarantee that these will be the first to complain when a cub can't afford to repair the seats and they can't get a ticket as a result.
They seem to forget, that the vast majority of clubs aren't owned by billionaires and have a shoestring budget. 1 seat getting broken at every home game equates to 23 seats broken a season. Even if they're only £100 each, that is still two and a half grand a year. That could have a big effect on the finaces of a club.

Maybe i'm becoming old and mature, but it just seems pointless.

I've been in plenty of proper celebrations over the years and never seen anyone falling over until a couple of years ago. It's all deliberate, all to impress other embarrassments on social media.

Respect for others costs nothing but pays big dividends in the fullness of time.

There is a group of coked up dickheads that follow Fulham away and revel in behaving like twats.

Having to explain to my nine year old daughter what 'f@ck the IRA' meant wasn't a question I was expecting to have to answer following her first ever match.

The actions of people believed to be Fulham fans after the match made the Reading press. That is not the reputation we've had in recent years.

I can only imagine that our recent relative success has attracted more of the standard type of football yob. Pity.

I went to the reading game and am pleased to say was in a box (invited). I noted a small group of what lookd like totally selfish idiots of the type being mentioned being overly enthusiastic for no good reason. I think the club should stop them before it becomes a real issue and genuine harm is caused. I suspect they are young men where there body size and intelligence have a mismatch.

I saw the video in reading with the rubbish and those ones need to be banned they are a stain on our name and are air pollution.

Quote from: Lighthouse on January 14, 2022, 11:12:26 AM
Not only is it the sort of thing the behaviour I would hope people would grow out of once they reach six years of age. But this ridiculous idea that'grassing' on somebody is wrong if they vandalise, do any harm to another, or take something. Again is just so childish. The petty telling on others can only look bad for very minor issues.

But I don't care if you are a Fulham fan, like the same bands as me or share my love of pogo sticks and bridal wear with thigh boots. If you commit a crime that harms others or is dangerous to others you are a numpty and deserve to be punished.

Quote from: RufusBrevettatemyhamster on January 14, 2022, 11:20:01 AM
"it's only a seat" is such a ridiculous arguement. Guarantee that these will be the first to complain when a cub can't afford to repair the seats and they can't get a ticket as a result.
They seem to forget, that the vast majority of clubs aren't owned by billionaires and have a shoestring budget. 1 seat getting broken at every home game equates to 23 seats broken a season. Even if they're only £100 each, that is still two and a half grand a year. That could have a big effect on the finaces of a club.

Maybe i'm becoming old and mature, but it just seems pointless.

Absolutely agree with these two posts, and for those that still cannot get it (not necessarily on this board I might add), lets say you are a ST holder, and assigned a certain seat.
A bunch of idiots from wherever cause damage to your seat in one of these 'celebrations', and the club says you have to pay for the damage or just sit in the damaged seat. Would you NOW want someone to 'grass' on whoever did it, or be happy to suffer the payment?
Why should the club pay for criminal damage and why would other fans of the same club condone their behavior by protecting them?

A definite not acceptable and has to be eliminated whatever the cost.

It's not big and it's not clever. It is however childish in the extreme.

Twenty-odd years ago we banned fifty of "ours" who teamed up with QPR and Chelsea for a punch-up at the Cottage. Cue loads of complaints that they were only loyal Fulham fans, protecting our own from the hordes of Chelsea and QPR thugs. Of course they were not, they were thugs meeting their peers for a fight. So, they were banned for life by Fulham. Did we miss them? No. Did they miss us? Unlikely, they would simply tranfer their "loyalty" to some other unfortunate club.
The same should apply this time. Get rid of this element, they go elsewhere, we don't miss them. The only concern, from the newspaper report, is that the club does not seem to want to know about this problem, rather than tackle it head on.

Going to open the poll to nonmembers.  I knew the vast majority on here would not condone such actions and agree with those who say this kind of behavior needs to stop. 

Here in the States, I attend my local team's matches frequently.  We stand most of the time and sing, cheer and celebrate with the those around us.  Luckily, I have never witnessed anything like what is described in the OP.  Even in the "ultra-fans" area behind the one goal (where they sing, cheer, bounce up and down and wave flags nonstop) where celebrations get crazy when goals are scored, they don't do "limbs" or whatever people want to call it.  Hopefully it stays that way over here.   

I'm bothered by the "grass" aspect of this, namely the idea that you shouldn't report anything done by a Fulham fan, however serious. Those who opposed the individual reporting the breaking of the seats accuse him of "grassing up" fellow Fulham supporters, and I guess their argument is that we should turn a blind eye to any sort of behaviour carried out by One Of Our Own.

That argument is nonsense. Dangerous and criminal behaviour deserves to be called out, irrespective of whether they are fellow supporters of Fulham or not. In an ideal world we should be able to ask those fans to desist, but as a 65 year old I would not fancy confronting a bunch of football fans in this way. So should we report bad behaviour? Of course we should. It is the right thing to do.

And it's a fine line (believe me, it is a fine line) between ignoring fans trashing seats and ignoring fans racially abusing a black player. We don't want or need such fans in our club, and the sooner they are identified and dealt with by Fulham, the better.

At the Luton game just before Christmas, one of our regular supporters (who is a pensioner) was knocked over as a result of a group of fans throwing themselves around immediately after we scored. She sustained bruises as a result and one of the mob also cut his head open on the concrete and he was the one given medical attention. I couldn't care less if people want to cause damage to themselves through excessive 'celebrating' but everyone should have the right to enjoy the game without fear of being injured. I used to be proud that Fulham fans were a decent bunch, unlike at Chelsea, but clearly this is no longer the case.

Obviously I'm completely opposed. It's pathetic, immature and totally irresponsible.

I always find a well-placed elbow whilst turning to see what going on into the dickhead and a whoops sorry discourages them from coming near you a second time

I go to away games with my 9 year old as he really enjoys his football now, it does worry me though the thought of idiots diving forward and causing injury to others, if they cause injury to themselves that's their stupid fault, but it will always be an innocent that cops it. Don't get me wrong all for having a good few beers and celebrating with mates etc, I've done it many a time and probably came across as an idiot at times, but I've never put anyone else in danger as there is no need and it's taking it one too far, a complete lack of respect.

Quote from: Worcesterwhite on January 14, 2022, 08:27:20 PM
I go to away games with my 9 year old as he really enjoys his football now, it does worry me though the thought of idiots diving forward and causing injury to others, if they cause injury to themselves that's their stupid fault, but it will always be an innocent that cops it. Don't get me wrong all for having a good few beers and celebrating with mates etc, I've done it many a time and probably came across as an idiot at times, but I've never put anyone else in danger as there is no need and it's taking it one too far, a complete lack of respect.

Exactly. I worry about my 11yo. Total dickheads and mostly all put on for fantasy internet points (aka likes on Twitter) as they post their stupid "limbs".  Aside from supporting Fulham I have absolutely nothing in common with these little scroats  And the idea that I should turn a blind eye to criminal, twattish and criminal behaviour just because we both follow the same group of men who kick a ball about it laughable and anyone who thinks so has just revealed themselves to be properly hard of thinking.

Quote from: flyingfish on January 14, 2022, 08:34:34 PM

Quote from: Worcesterwhite on January 14, 2022, 08:27:20 PM
I go to away games with my 9 year old as he really enjoys his football now, it does worry me though the thought of idiots diving forward and causing injury to others, if they cause injury to themselves that's their stupid fault, but it will always be an innocent that cops it. Don't get me wrong all for having a good few beers and celebrating with mates etc, I've done it many a time and probably came across as an idiot at times, but I've never put anyone else in danger as there is no need and it's taking it one too far, a complete lack of respect.

Exactly. I worry about my 11yo. Total dickheads and mostly all put on for fantasy internet points (aka likes on Twitter) as they post their stupid "limbs".  Aside from supporting Fulham I have absolutely nothing in common with these little scroats  And the idea that I should turn a blind eye to criminal, twattish and criminal behaviour just because we both follow the same group of men who kick a ball about it laughable and anyone who thinks so has just revealed themselves to be properly hard of thinking.

I just don't understand the mentality of some, I always think would I be happy if someone vandalised my property no, so I why go out and do it to someone else's idiots, but unfortunately it is current society as a whole. And as regards for doing it for posting a video on social media I don't get that either, who wants to watch these videos that get posted is my question?

Quote from: Worcesterwhite on January 14, 2022, 08:27:20 PM
I go to away games with my 9 year old as he really enjoys his football now, it does worry me though the thought of idiots diving forward and causing injury to others, if they cause injury to themselves that's their stupid fault, but it will always be an innocent that cops it. Don't get me wrong all for having a good few beers and celebrating with mates etc, I've done it many a time and probably came across as an idiot at times, but I've never put anyone else in danger as there is no need and it's taking it one too far, a complete lack of respect.

By no means wanting to excuse the terrible behavior at all, but if you choose seating near, or fairly near the front of the seating area - well away from the rows at the back, where the youngsters congregate, you and your son should be completely safe.

This is where I usually sit, and the fans, mostly older and quite a few women, make a good noise supporting the team, but are very well behaved. You need a load of these  youngsters congregating together, at the back , where they are  out of view and reach of the stewards, that do all this throwing themselves around and smashing up seats -  most fans at away games are nothing like this, and you can go with your son with impunity.

Why does being at a football game make it right to act like that?

I'm glad to see more and more discussions like this and from this viewpoint across social media, as it seems that apparently, this behaviour is quite alright if you're young and just want to have fun...and if you don't like it, you must be old and boring🙄😡. There seems to be this real feral element in society who just think they can do whatever they want and have no respect for authority.

There has been a real problem at the back of the Hammersmith End between blocks H5 and H6, dating back to the 2019/20 season. Fans who presumably don't have tickets for that area gather on the stairs towards the back between the two blocks, making it very cramped for those of us sat (stood) in the seats.  Then we score a goal and those on the stairs bundle forward or pile into each other and invariably barge into people in the seats. I've even seen one particular character pile down a few rows from within. Not surprisingly, innocent fans who want no part of this get caught up in it and knocked over.

I raised this with the club and was assured that it had been passed on to the chief safety steward, but then covid came along and naturally it didn't move on.  However, I felt the need to raise it back in October and this time raised it with the FST as well. Subsequent meeting notes addressed the issue and stated that ticket checks on the stairs from the concourse would be in place together with monitoring the situation. At the Derby match it worked perfectly, stewards were there checking tickets all match, and a steward was placed on the stairs at the back.

Unfortunately, the Bournemouth and Bristol City games saw a reversion back to type.  Token ticket checks against Bournemouth and no checks yesterday. You can all guess the result. In the meantime, these youngsters having fun have gone almost viral with their "goal celebrations", so of course, when we scored yesterday, off it went after each goal. And it's not just jumping around and people going over, it's is literally pushing people down the stairs. And guess what happened? A lad with crutches sat in an aisle seat got bundled into, breaking the seat in front of him in the process.

It's now a ridiculous situation whereby I am almost afraid of us scoring a goal, or at the very least, wary of what's going on to my left, instead of being able to celebrate freely.

I shall unfortunately be having to be having to email an update to the club and FST this evening, but as there is a long time until their next meeting with the club and we've a match in 2 days, I fear that nothing can be done before then.

Quote from: Westlondonffc on January 14, 2022, 11:26:19 AM
I've been in plenty of proper celebrations over the years and never seen anyone falling over until a couple of years ago. It's all deliberate, all to impress other embarrassments on social media.

This, all for snapchat and tik tok and instagram. Hugely embarrassing.

Quote from: Ashington White on January 16, 2022, 01:11:45 PM
I'm glad to see more and more discussions like this and from this viewpoint across social media, as it seems that apparently, this behaviour is quite alright if you're young and just want to have fun...and if you don't like it, you must be old and boring🙄😡. There seems to be this real feral element in society who just think they can do whatever they want and have no respect for authority.

There has been a real problem at the back of the Hammersmith End between blocks H5 and H6, dating back to the 2019/20 season. Fans who presumably don't have tickets for that area gather on the stairs towards the back between the two blocks, making it very cramped for those of us sat (stood) in the seats.  Then we score a goal and those on the stairs bundle forward or pile into each other and invariably barge into people in the seats. I've even seen one particular character pile down a few rows from within. Not surprisingly, innocent fans who want no part of this get caught up in it and knocked over.

I raised this with the club and was assured that it had been passed on to the chief safety steward, but then covid came along and naturally it didn't move on.  However, I felt the need to raise it back in October and this time raised it with the FST as well. Subsequent meeting notes addressed the issue and stated that ticket checks on the stairs from the concourse would be in place together with monitoring the situation. At the Derby match it worked perfectly, stewards were there checking tickets all match, and a steward was placed on the stairs at the back.

Unfortunately, the Bournemouth and Bristol City games saw a reversion back to type.  Token ticket checks against Bournemouth and no checks yesterday. You can all guess the result. In the meantime, these youngsters having fun have gone almost viral with their "goal celebrations", so of course, when we scored yesterday, off it went after each goal. And it's not just jumping around and people going over, it's is literally pushing people down the stairs. And guess what happened? A lad with crutches sat in an aisle seat got bundled into, breaking the seat in front of him in the process.

It's now a ridiculous situation whereby I am almost afraid of us scoring a goal, or at the very least, wary of what's going on to my left, instead of being able to celebrate freely.

I shall unfortunately be having to be having to email an update to the club and FST this evening, but as there is a long time until their next meeting with the club and we've a match in 2 days, I fear that nothing can be done before then.

This is so well put. And glad to see it's not just me and that things have got worse and I'm not imagining. I just saw a staggering post on Twitter in which someone called out the stewarding while Bristol fans were flinging seats and coins at the Putney end where there were children and someone condescendingly and in all seriousness asked 'was it your first game?'

Like if I don't want violence and people acting unsafely towards me or others then I need to 'get out of the club'!!! What the actual fcuk

And as for the bloke near me who nearly killed himself with rage at the sight of a Bristol fan in a Hammersmith end suite, he needs to get some medical help before he literally gives himself a stroke. People may say it's football and if I want my child there sit in the family block but even in the Hammersmith end I shouldn't have to listen to c word every 5 seconds. 

Completely unacceptable behaviour by a minority of away fans in particular, and sadly becoming increasingly noticeable.  This season there were groups of our fans behaving like tools on the train back from Blackpool in front of families with kids, with the train staff pleading for them to calm down.
Embarrassing, regardless of whether anyone is at football or in high spirits.
Other fans do similar stuff or even worse, but that's no defence for disrespecting others and damaging property.

I'm sure I read somewhere there has been a notable increase in this sort of behaviour since the lockdowns right across the game.

My daughter's friend arranged a charity match at Maidstone FC the other day, following a heavy challenge, a player head butted a member of the opposition.  What a sight for the other players children to witness.

I was in the Putney End one year with some over enthusiastic Sunderland fans sitting behind us, who celebrated their second and third goals with a celebration of the "falling on top of the next row" type.  It was a disconcerting experience, and could easily have injured them or us or others.

I support all the attempts to eradicate this and all the other examples of bad behaviour listed, and I don't care how many people sneer at me, call me a moaning old g*t, killjoy or worse.

Quote from: flyingfish on January 14, 2022, 07:04:59 AM
There are some right little twats who follow Fulham away. They seem to revel in behaviour I thought we'd left behind. Fulham supporters or not if my young daughter got hurt but one of these bellends jumping in her is throttle them

This is a more serious topic than many appreciate. The club are very much aware they do have a problem but are hoping once the muppets get back into the Hammersmith End and responsible fans fill up the posh seats again the problem will go away. Presently an unpleasant number of idiots now attach themselves to away fixtures. Alcohol and cocaine are the stimulants of choice. Behaviour at Peterborough was particularly unpleasant. Leaping across seats or roundly abusing fellow fans while adopting an aggressive "I will sit or stand where I want to," I have witnessed it all in the past few months.

The club are actively gathering video evidence and look to track down undesirables through their seat numbers. Shame on anyone who thinks smashing seats and overturning city centre bins is acceptable behaviour.

Incredibly 5 respondents think "it's no big deal" and another 4 "don't care, whatever".  I notice that none have the courage to come on here and cogently defend their opinions.

The club definitely needs to get a grip on it, the problem with this type of issue is you normally get a reaction when it's too late and unfortunately in this case it could end up with someone seriously getting injured.

The only point I would make is that I don't want the excuse of vandalism/hooliganism to infringe on the uptake of more European football fan culture in England. It really is the future and has the ability to attract new fans to smaller clubs if done right.

Quote from: Twig on January 16, 2022, 08:44:57 PM
Incredibly 5 respondents think "it's no big deal" and another 4 "don't care, whatever".  I notice that none have the courage to come on here and cogently defend their opinions.

At least they celebrate and roar the side on.
Where I sit in Hammersmith and,there are 3 middle aged guys sit in front of me,pessimistic bums..When we were in Premier and playing one of the big boys they'd  start before a ball was kicked,"Oh I hope we keep the score down to 2 or 3 and dont get thrashed,Jesus I said to one once why do you people come to games,get behind the team and stop thinking we're  going to get thrashed...Fulham fans lol.

By the way Twig I'm getting my old Doc Martin's polished and setting up the over 60's "Fulham Inter City Mob" where we can go to away games and get into some scraps...Want to join,I can lend you my Pea Shooter or Catapult.....Coyw.😅😅😅

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on January 17, 2022, 06:52:53 AM

Quote from: Twig on January 16, 2022, 08:44:57 PM
Incredibly 5 respondents think "it's no big deal" and another 4 "don't care, whatever".  I notice that none have the courage to come on here and cogently defend their opinions.

At least they celebrate and roar the side on.
Where I sit in Hammersmith and,there are 3 middle aged guys sit in front of me,pessimistic bums..When we were in Premier and playing one of the big boys they'd  start before a ball was kicked,"Oh I hope we keep the score down to 2 or 3 and dont get thrashed,Jesus I said to one once why do you people come to games,get behind the team and stop thinking we're  going to get thrashed...Fulham fans lol.

By the way Twig I'm getting my old Doc Martin's polished and setting up the over 60's "Fulham Inter City Mob" where we can go to away games and get into some scraps...Want to join,I can lend you my Pea Shooter or Catapult.....Coyw.😅😅😅

Lol some fulham fans are a bizarre bunch. They turn up with a mentality of defeat almost like they're doing community service by attending. Weirdo sponge cake enthusiasts some of us FFC fans are one can't but think.👍

Quote from: Mince n Tatties on January 17, 2022, 06:52:53 AM

Quote from: Twig on January 16, 2022, 08:44:57 PM
Incredibly 5 respondents think "it's no big deal" and another 4 "don't care, whatever".  I notice that none have the courage to come on here and cogently defend their opinions.

At least they celebrate and roar the side on.
Where I sit in Hammersmith and,there are 3 middle aged guys sit in front of me,pessimistic bums..When we were in Premier and playing one of the big boys they'd  start before a ball was kicked,"Oh I hope we keep the score down to 2 or 3 and dont get thrashed,Jesus I said to one once why do you people come to games,get behind the team and stop thinking we're  going to get thrashed...Fulham fans lol.

By the way Twig I'm getting my old Doc Martin's polished and setting up the over 60's "Fulham Inter City Mob" where we can go to away games and get into some scraps...Want to join,I can lend you my Pea Shooter or Catapult.....Coyw.😅😅😅

Strange defence.  I'd much rather sit with my kids, next to three middle aged pessimistic bums than behind fans that that falling over seats and rushing towards other fans and families, because they are 'celebrating and roaring the side on'.  When the teams own families are in the crowd, I'm fairly sure they feel the same way.

I must be unusual but I find I'm able to roar my team on without either standing up and obstructing people's views or falling all over them.

Standing is fun for some and should be allowed in certain areas.  I quite like that the club had provided sitting down seats for away fans, ruined by people not respecting them.  The majority of the back of the Hammersmith End that stands is aboslutely fine as are the majority of our away frollowing.  It's a minority who ruin it; younger types that do it for the limbs on social media and a couple of older 'lads' wishing they were back in the eighties decked out in Lyle and Scott with a Burberry scarf.

They're fine at the back of the Hammy provided that a) they're not stood on the stairs, b) should actually be there and c) as you say, are not being bundling idiots when we score

Quote from: _Putney_ on January 17, 2022, 07:01:54 PM
Standing is fun for some and should be allowed in certain areas.  I quite like that the club had provided sitting down seats for away fans, ruined by people not respecting them.  The majority of the back of the Hammersmith End that stands is aboslutely fine as are the majority of our away frollowing.  It's a minority who ruin it; younger types that do it for the limbs on social media and a couple of older 'lads' wishing they were back in the eighties decked out in Lyle and Scott with a Burberry scarf.

Totally agree that standing is fine but I've argued for ages that it needs to be in designated safe standing areas. That would help cut out the idiotic falling celebrations, it would mean that those who want to sit can do so without having their view obstructed, those who enjoy standing could legitimately do so with like minded supporters. It's a no brainer to me.

Oh yes and my wife might just come back. As someone who is short she just can't see when everyone gets up and stands in front of her. She gets up too but can see very little. She used to miss so much of the action when we attacked the Hammy End that she stopped coming to the Cottage.

Good points.

I wouldn't stand for it and i wouldn't take it sitting down either. 

Boom boom.  Better last night, no-one really gathered on the stairway, and no obviuos bundles when we scored.  Might be due to a couple of stewards being stood there, though not for the whole match.  Had people drinking beer in their seats this time though, so all fun and games.

I think throwing yourself about is pretty much the same as the terraces most of us were on in the 80s and 90s. This behaviour is not in the same class as the mindless vandalism.

Quote from: Humbug on January 19, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
I think throwing yourself about is pretty much the same as the terraces most of us were on in the 80s and 90s. This behaviour is not in the same class as the mindless vandalism.

The problem that is different know is the risk to life and limb if someone pushes you over the row of seats in front. Someone, unbelievably, tried jumping on my back from behind in the JH stand when Ayite scored from the half way line. Luckily my then 7yo daughter next to me as OK

Thought the atmosphere in the Hammersmith end was very subdued the last 2 games despite the scores.

Quote from: MikeTheCubed on January 19, 2022, 11:56:06 AM
Thought the atmosphere in the Hammersmith end was very subdued the last 2 games despite the scores.

I think we all expect now,if you know what I mean?

Quote from: flyingfish on January 19, 2022, 11:35:43 AM

Quote from: Humbug on January 19, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
I think throwing yourself about is pretty much the same as the terraces most of us were on in the 80s and 90s. This behaviour is not in the same class as the mindless vandalism.

The problem that is different know is the risk to life and limb if someone pushes you over the row of seats in front. Someone, unbelievably, tried jumping on my back from behind in the JH stand when Ayite scored from the half way line. Luckily my then 7yo daughter next to me as OK

Correct. You could land on other people, seats or the floor.  The seats mean there's nowhere for people to go.  Terracing a lot different as no seats in the way.

Saw a Brum fan holding one of our seats that they had ripped off chanting 'we have got your seat' in the 'we are top of the league' chant on my way out yesterday. Seems to be becoming the norm...

Considering  we're  scoring for fun and top of the league,I think the attendance is more of a worry,only just over 16,000 there last night,1.5 From Birmingham.