That Anguissa might come back,,,,,
I don't think Napoli wanna fork out for him as he's been largely a let down
Surely he won't come back for a third time
You really don't like the guy do you........
He's been getting rave reviews as one of the better players in the league, I know you hate him but please take the blinkers off
He tends to start seasons well and then tail off, he did last season and may have done for Napoli too.
Even if he stays with us he could be useful to have around, as long as we are not relying on him for goals or for protecting the back 4!
Silva know best
I don't particularly hate the guy although I don't like what seems to have been a like of commitment to our cause. However I do agree with the OP that it wouldn't be great to see him coming back. We need to move forward, Zambo returning is hardly a fresh start and chances are he brings baggage.
He is a quality player
Quote from: Twig on May 12, 2022, 04:01:32 PM
I don't particularly hate the guy although I don't like what seems to have been a like of commitment to our cause. However I do agree with the OP that it wouldn't be great to see him coming back. We need to move forward, Zambo returning is hardly a fresh start and chances are he brings baggage.
Probably best to cut our losses and move on, sure he'll have a good career in Italy. Hope we have a replacement lined up.
Quote from: Radiowhite on May 12, 2022, 04:05:27 PM
He is a quality player
He is capable of being a quality player, but there's something about him that gives the impression he really doesn't care for our club. I may be very wrong of course.
Quote from: FFC1987 on May 12, 2022, 03:29:02 PM
You really don't like the guy do you........
Not really no
Zero loyalty and a negative player
Quote from: Deeping_white on May 12, 2022, 03:34:26 PM
He's been getting rave reviews as one of the better players in the league, I know you hate him but please take the blinkers off
My friend Alfredo and obsessive Napoli supporter tells me that he started quite well but never really shined through, also says he's not positive enough with the ball....
Ring any bells ?
Also if he's getting rave reviews how comes Napoli aren't willing to fork out the dough for him ?
He divides opinions but I'm on the side of keeping him for sure.
Mixed feelings, we need strengthening in midfieldbut prioriity has to be a Carvalho replacement and I don't think Anguissa will fill that role.
I'm pretty sure it's basically confirmed that Napoli have taken up the option.
If not, we're welcoming back easily a top half PL player that'd cost 40m to replace - can think of worse things.
Anguissa is the best midfielder currently contracted to the club IMO. I understand the concerns others have and can see why it might be the right time for both parties if he moved on.
My mate Alfredo = I read somewhere on the internet that Anguissa refused to play but I can't remember where....
Quote from: perry geyton on May 12, 2022, 03:25:28 PM
That Anguissa might come back,,,,,
I don't think Napoli wanna fork out for him as he's been largely a let down
Surely he won't come back for a third time
Personally I'd have him back in a heart beat
Prior to this season, I think the notion that Seri would play for us again probably wouldn't have gone down too well either. Also, I am sure Silva did involve Anguissa prior to his Napoli move. I think we need to remember that players aren't necessarily fans and there may be other reasons why the club agreed the move, such as to reduce wages, etc.
Quote from: Radiowhite on May 12, 2022, 04:05:27 PM
He is a quality player
Not a description I would use when it comes to how he plays for us, poor mans Paul Pogba, appears to think he is better than his team mates but unlike Pogba he isn't!
I have never been impressed with Anguissa. As others have said he never really looked like he cared. I would think that now would be a good time for the club and him to part ways.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on May 12, 2022, 05:12:10 PM
My mate Alfredo = I read somewhere on the internet that Anguissa refused to play but I can't remember where....
Yes i know quite a lot of Italians here in Los Angeles, does it seem that strange to you
He's 26... I think Silva likes him... If Silva likes him - I like him
Agree I think he's capable of being a top player, and agree we haven't really seen it.
For his mold he is a bit like Moussa Dembele, but you can't play off of him and he isn't solid enough to be a leader, and that's the difference. He is a follower and will never make it in our side because of it I think.
He is a soldier, not a general, and any additions to the squad need to be generals.
Would welcome him back.
As long as we don't try to pair him in a starting 11 with Seri and Ruben Loftus-Cheek we should be fine. Really need to figure out
Reed+Anguissa+ (Fabio replacement)...I don't see Anguissa being the week player in that midfield.
I really doubt he returns though. (I thought the same thing about Seri last season)
Quote from: The Rock on May 12, 2022, 06:54:15 PM
He is a soldier, not a general, and any additions to the squad need to be generals.
I agree with this. Anguissa (imo) comes across as a talented footballer who won't take over a game...but can be a solid starting player. Even if we keep Anguissa we're going to need two better midfield options than we had the last time we were in the prem.
If we sell Anguissa, imo we need 3 starting midfielders. Seri isn't prem quality as a holding mid or a #8 imo.
He divides opinion - but not defences. There is a very good footballer in there - he has skill, the physique - but where is the impact on the game? I never witnessed any telling impact or control over a game. Just don't get him . If Silva wants him back - then fine and will get behind him and try to forget the past ( nothing much to remember so should be pretty straightforward)
It's the old saying if the buyer won't pay the agreed amount, you don't sell unless we can get a better player for the price of the transfer fee. Give me suggestions who we could get for £15m to take his place.
According to Transfermarkt his market value has gone up to £27.5m since we bought him in 2018 for our record fee of £22.4m so Napoli would be getting a bargain, both Juve and Roma have been reported as wanting him.
Quote from: HV71 on May 12, 2022, 08:24:21 PM
He divides opinion - but not defences. There is a very good footballer in there - he has skill, the physique - but where is the impact on the game? I never witnessed any telling impact or control over a game. Just don't get him . If Silva wants him back - then fine and will get behind him and try to forget the past ( nothing much to remember so should be pretty straightforward)
Great summary.
Quote from: perry geyton on May 12, 2022, 06:25:24 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on May 12, 2022, 05:12:10 PM
My mate Alfredo = I read somewhere on the internet that Anguissa refused to play but I can't remember where....
Yes i know quite a lot of Italians here in Los Angeles, does it seem that strange to you
Do they know Alfredo, or are they from a separate crowd?
If Napoli came in with a serious bid, would it be "an offer we can't refuse?"
Quote from: legana on May 12, 2022, 05:49:15 PM
Prior to this season, I think the notion that Seri would play for us again probably wouldn't have gone down too well either. Also, I am sure Silva did involve Anguissa prior to his Napoli move. I think we need to remember that players aren't necessarily fans and there may be other reasons why the club agreed the move, such as to reduce wages, etc.
I thought Silva said he was hoping he'd stay
Quote from: 70sPimlico on May 12, 2022, 09:37:54 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on May 12, 2022, 06:25:24 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on May 12, 2022, 05:12:10 PM
My mate Alfredo = I read somewhere on the internet that Anguissa refused to play but I can't remember where....
Yes i know quite a lot of Italians here in Los Angeles, does it seem that strange to you
Do they know Alfredo, or are they from a separate crowd?
lol!
I cam think of only one occasion where he ever positively impacted the result and that was Leicester away. Good footballer but next to zero impact as HV71 has already said. I'd rather we move ok than try yet again.
If he was such a great player how come he warmed our bench for a large part of the season?
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on May 12, 2022, 06:26:39 PM
He's 26... I think Silva likes him... If Silva likes him - I like him
If Silva put his head in a Lions mouth would you ?
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on May 13, 2022, 03:16:11 AM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on May 12, 2022, 06:26:39 PM
He's 26... I think Silva likes him... If Silva likes him - I like him
If Silva put his head in a Lions mouth would you ?
currently YES
3 weeks into the season if we haven't got any points they'll be throwing him to the lions
Quote from: perry geyton on May 12, 2022, 03:25:28 PM
That Anguissa might come back,,,,,
I don't think Napoli wanna fork out for him as he's been largely a let down
Surely he won't come back for a third time
I hope not, he has shown his true colours, a big time charlie with no accomplishments except looking completely disinterested as though he is doing us a favour, but doesn't want to rough it in the English championship, will let others do it for him, he is not team man, he dies not play within the framework of the team, he does not punch his weight.
One of the reasons why we went down twice with a soft underbelly belly.
Quote from: Cambridge Away on May 13, 2022, 01:33:19 AM
If he was such a great player how come he warmed our bench for a large part of the season?
He started 31 games in the Premier League last season. Whatever your opinion of him he definitely wasn't a bench warmer.
This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly.
Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 13, 2022, 07:13:59 AM
This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly.
Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?
If no one new joins central midfield and Anguissa stays, then our best central midfielder is Anguissa.
We need at least four central midfielders for every matchday 18 and at least six for the season. Anguissa would enhance the squad of 17 clubs in premier league, because even Manchester United don't have six central midfielders better than Anguissa.
If Anguissa is the worst player in next seasons starting XI, then we will get 40 points and do better than 17th which is far beyond my expectations for next season.
There is an interesting interview with Anguissa from about 3 weeks ago, where he addresses the criticism about his lack of goals and assists, and says his job is tactical and team shape and there are other players whose role is to produce the statistics. He is talking about Napoli, not Fulham, but in some ways it applies to us too. We had other players that were expected to produce goals and assists - Lookman, RLC, BDR, Cav...dare I say, Mitro.
https://youtu.be/PtOQ_CQRjgk
I think my problem with that is that he does not play like Kante or Makelele, he drives forward with the ball and gets into good areas, it's just he then rarely does anything meaningful with it. Perhaps because he does that, he is not always deep enough to protect the defence - and he doesn't seem to bust a gut to chase runners back. Basically, if we had better players around him, he might be able to do his job better.
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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "
Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us
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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"
Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course
I regard much that happened in summer 2018 was bad taste business.
Seri, at the very least, had reasons to be upset with the detail of his transfers given clubs he had previously played for were deprived the promised financial benefit long before FFC came along and seemingly compounded these issues. Seri at least played an important part in our success this season. Anguissa at FFC seemed over priced and over rated from the off since professional commitment should always follow signing a contract with a new team if nothing else. What happened with our first relegaton smacked of a lack of commitment from Anguissa but do I know the full story? Assuming we do know the full story then we should have no truck with fairweather followers. As it is we seemingly spent a lot of money on a player who has yet to show for us and, it seems, we would be nowhere near making a profit out of his sale.
For last season there are unknowns: was Anguissa's loan an indication of FFC's FFP strategy and would he otherwise have gladly played for us this season in the Championship and. if so, will Marco Silve gladly welcome him back now knowing he can get him to play and do well for us in th PL? I have my doubts. I still get that bad taste in my mouth whenever I think about that post Wembley summer 2018 and what followed.
Quote from: HV71 on May 13, 2022, 08:17:53 AM
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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "
Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us
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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"
Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course
A fair comment. You are correct in that I don't particularly rate Reed, and I am sure that over time confirmation bias makes me rate him even less. This has nothing to do with memorable moments though.
I can understand why people don't rate Anguissa, but I don't believe players normally should be rated on memorable moments (again, that would only reflect badly on Reed, for example, in my opinion). Anguissa actually had very good statistics last season for us, and his tackles, blocks, dribbles and passes contributed to the team performance, memorable or not. I would argue that players like Kante or Makelele (both wonderful players in my opinion) offers (or offered) quite little in terms of memorable moments. At the other hand, a player like Schûrrle was a game changer but I don't think many misses him.
My personal opinion is that Anguissa has been a victim of playing in poor teams for us. He should of course take a fair share of the blame for that, but not more than the other players (and managers). I believe that under the right manager in the right team he is a top level midfielder, and certainly a big upgrade on Reed, Onomah and Chalobah at least.
As for his willingness to fight for the cause I will happily leave that to Silva to assess, since none of us here seem to actually have any clue about the matter. I can not recall Anguissa refusing to play or ever stating that he doesn't want to be here, so as with all others I am happy to give him the benefit of doubt until we know more.
Not a carbon copy by any means but reminds me of Dembele#1 when he started to play deeper - strong, good dribbler but slightly lacking in creativity. A big difference is Dembele would shield the defence better and a was more relaible when the chips were down.
There is clearly a good player in there if a manager can somehow channel his attributes (this is definitely a puzzle that needs solving)/ensure he has an attitude of total willingness to play and fight for the club. If Silva wants to keep him and thinks he can do that then great.
My main concern is will him keep flitting back into the squad every time we get back into the EPL cause resentment in the dressing room with some who have toughed it out through thick and thin and got us back up again?
Even if the majority of teammates like him as a person, I can't see how having someone who has a perception of wanting out / not showing total commitment when the going gets tough won't alienate at least some. The last thing we need in the dressing room are characters that have the potential to cause divides so i'd rather we sell him, let someone else try to get the best out of him and concentrate on bringing in players with the right mind set and sufficient quality for the challenge ahead.
I would suspect that Anguissa may actually be sent out on loan when we are in the Championship as he's got one of the largest salaries in the squad and you are better off doing without him than someone on a similar wage like Mitro.
It's just a hunch, and what that last bit says about him could be key (that we can do without him more than others).
Personally I really like him as a player and think that he's played in 2 dreadful FFC sides.
I suspect "Anguissa's loan fee" paid completely for "Wilson's loan fee", so we traded defensive strength for attacking strength.
Quote from: Jim© on May 13, 2022, 10:20:05 AM
I would suspect that Anguissa may actually be sent out on loan when we are in the Championship as he's got one of the largest salaries in the squad and you are better off doing without him than someone on a similar wage like Mitro.
It's just a hunch, and what that last bit says about him could be key (that we can do without him more than others).
Personally I really like him as a player and think that he's played in 2 dreadful FFC sides.
and he was one of the reasons why they were dreadful.
Quote from: bencher on May 13, 2022, 07:35:50 AM
There is an interesting interview with Anguissa from about 3 weeks ago, where he addresses the criticism about his lack of goals and assists, and says his job is tactical and team shape and there are other players whose role is to produce the statistics. He is talking about Napoli, not Fulham, but in some ways it applies to us too. We had other players that were expected to produce goals and assists - Lookman, RLC, BDR, Cav...dare I say, Mitro.
https://youtu.be/PtOQ_CQRjgk
I think my problem with that is that he does not play like Kante or Makelele, he drives forward with the ball and gets into good areas, it's just he then rarely does anything meaningful with it. Perhaps because he does that, he is not always deep enough to protect the defence - and he doesn't seem to bust a gut to chase runners back. Basically, if we had better players around him, he might be able to do his job better.
Ball carrying and winning the ball are both very valuable, so long as he can pass the ball to those in advanced areas to do something in the final third. How many goals and assists did Mousa Dembele get?
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on May 13, 2022, 11:08:17 AM
Quote from: Jim© on May 13, 2022, 10:20:05 AM
I would suspect that Anguissa may actually be sent out on loan when we are in the Championship as he's got one of the largest salaries in the squad and you are better off doing without him than someone on a similar wage like Mitro.
It's just a hunch, and what that last bit says about him could be key (that we can do without him more than others).
Personally I really like him as a player and think that he's played in 2 dreadful FFC sides.
and he was one of the reasons why they were dreadful.
I agree that Anguissa was memorably as dreadful as any one else was.
I lost count of the times teams ripped through us because there was no adequate midfield resistance in every PL season since 2018. Harrison Reed's loan spell demonstrated just how good an engine he had but, once signed, successfully pairing him has proved problematic and this last season has seen him visibly tiring towards the end. I suspect at least a part of the problem for midfield is that Marco Silva's set up is much more about speed of attack and strategic cover (including the keeper) rather than time to cover when possession is lost as it was under the gardening leave guy. That may have meant that Reed was often playing on energy fumes rather than energy substance.
I think getting the midfield right is crucial for next season. A versatlle, tall defensive midfielder (who ideally can also play centre back allowing for tactical changes) would be my answer but there must be many other possibilities. I am just not sure Anguissa figures.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on May 13, 2022, 11:08:17 AM
Quote from: Jim© on May 13, 2022, 10:20:05 AM
I would suspect that Anguissa may actually be sent out on loan when we are in the Championship as he's got one of the largest salaries in the squad and you are better off doing without him than someone on a similar wage like Mitro.
It's just a hunch, and what that last bit says about him could be key (that we can do without him more than others).
Personally I really like him as a player and think that he's played in 2 dreadful FFC sides.
and he was one of the reasons why they were dreadful.
What, and its just a coincidence that every other club he plays for loves him? The Villerreal fans started a "Free Zambo" campaign when he came back to Fulham.
We had god awful coaches managing us in our last few premiership campaigns. Christ, look at what Parker did with Mitro. We know have a proper coach who gets the best out of players and plays them to their strengths.
I dont care if Angiuissa comes back or not, but if he does, you will finally see what we have been missing. And its nothing to do with his attitude or going over trenches or any of that other nonsense.
Take a look at what he has been doing over the last 12 months under proper coaches and tell me that we wouldn't want this next season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nSLBx67ODI&t=111s
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 13, 2022, 07:13:59 AM
This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly.
Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?
A positive impact leads by example and Anguissa certainly doesn't fill that role,
Quote from: 70sPimlico on May 13, 2022, 12:12:23 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on May 13, 2022, 11:08:17 AM
Quote from: Jim© on May 13, 2022, 10:20:05 AM
I would suspect that Anguissa may actually be sent out on loan when we are in the Championship as he's got one of the largest salaries in the squad and you are better off doing without him than someone on a similar wage like Mitro.
It's just a hunch, and what that last bit says about him could be key (that we can do without him more than others).
Personally I really like him as a player and think that he's played in 2 dreadful FFC sides.
and he was one of the reasons why they were dreadful.
What, and its just a coincidence that every other club he plays for loves him? The Villerreal fans started a "Free Zambo" campaign when he came back to Fulham.
We had god awful coaches managing us in our last few premiership campaigns. Christ, look at what Parker did with Mitro. We know have a proper coach who gets the best out of players and plays them to their strengths.
I dont care if Angiuissa comes back or not, but if he does, you will finally see what we have been missing. And its nothing to do with his attitude or going over trenches or any of that other nonsense.
Take a look at what he has been doing over the last 12 months under proper coaches and tell me that we wouldn't want this next season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nSLBx67ODI&t=111s
His agent probably put that YouTube clip together....
Is there also a YouTube video clip of all the times he gives the ball away in silly areas ?
Also how about the clips where he turns potential attacking play into negative play by going backwards ?
No I doubt it
Quote from: perry geyton on May 13, 2022, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: Jim© on May 13, 2022, 10:20:05 AM
I would suspect that Anguissa may actually be sent out on loan when we are in the Championship as he's got one of the largest salaries in the squad and you are better off doing without him than someone on a similar wage like Mitro.
It's just a hunch, and what that last bit says about him could be key (that we can do without him more than others).
Personally I really like him as a player and think that he's played in 2 dreadful FFC sides.
and he was one of the reasons why they were dreadful.
What, and its just a coincidence that every other club he plays for loves him? The Villerreal fans started a "Free Zambo" campaign when he came back to Fulham.
We had god awful coaches managing us in our last few premiership campaigns. Christ, look at what Parker did with Mitro. We know have a proper coach who gets the best out of players and plays them to their strengths.
I dont care if Angiuissa comes back or not, but if he does, you will finally see what we have been missing. And its nothing to do with his attitude or going over trenches or any of that other nonsense.
Take a look at what he has been doing over the last 12 months under proper coaches and tell me that we wouldn't want this next season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nSLBx67ODI&t=111s
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His agent probably put that YouTube clip together....
Is there also a YouTube video clip of all the times he gives the ball away in silly areas ?
Also how about the clips where he turns potential attacking play into negative play by going backwards ?
No I doubt it
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I think that it was difficult to pass to a player ahead of him in the Parker team as we were set up so deep in every game. Wilson and Kebano MK2 both get ahead of the ball meaning he'd have someone to pass to (or to the space that they create for the full backs.
Even though I make the point in my original post about us perhaps needing others more than him, I'd trust Silva to work well with him and utilise him properly (unlike the last 2 managers in Prem seasons).
Seems like a definite decision has been made.
https://sportwitness.co.uk/players-fulham-exit-around-corner-club-will-pay-cottagers-decision-now-definitively-taken/
Like a number of Italian sides, I don't think that they can afford to pay the fee required!!
Quote from: HV71 on May 13, 2022, 08:17:53 AM
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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "
Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us
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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"
Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course
This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections. he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass. I just think he flatters to deceive.
Quote from: perry geyton on May 13, 2022, 02:28:57 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 13, 2022, 07:13:59 AM
This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly.
Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?
A positive impact leads by example and Anguissa certainly doesn't fill that role,
That's of course just one way to have a positive impact. But I guess you know that actually.
Quote from: Count Flapula on May 13, 2022, 09:28:04 AM
My main concern is will him keep flitting back into the squad every time we get back into the EPL cause resentment in the dressing room with some who have toughed it out through thick and thin and got us back up again? Even if the majority of teammates like him as a person, I can't see how having someone who has a perception of wanting out / not showing total commitment when the going gets tough won't alienate at least some. The last thing we need in the dressing room are characters that have the potential to cause divides so i'd rather we sell him, let someone else try to get the best out of him and concentrate on bringing in players with the right mind set and sufficient quality for the challenge ahead.
This really should NOT be a concern. IF we assume we're talking about a locker room of "professional footballers". This always bothered me about incoming players brought to improve the squad. I think the second to last time up there was all kinds of locker room consternation amongst the players getting the team promoted and the new faces. I'm sorry, but these guys need to be professionals and accept the fact they may now be bench/squad players when team upgrades are made, and not make a big mess of it all. Work hard and try to get play time based on your abilities and dedication.
Quote from: Twig on May 13, 2022, 04:02:50 PM
Quote from: HV71 on May 13, 2022, 08:17:53 AM
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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "
Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us
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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"
Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course
This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections. he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass. I just think he flatters to deceive.
lol what?
He had the second most assists in the team.
He made the 7th most tackles in the prem, joint with Ngolo Kante, on 87.
He made the 10th most interceptions in the prem, joint with Soucek, on 55.
Joint 11th for passes between defenders into open space in the prem.
Joint 10th for successful dribbles which lead to a shot in the prem.
I get people not wanting him because he doesn't care if we stay up or not, but people acting like he's not easily the most talented player in the squad are laughable.
Quote from: Donnie Lonegan on May 13, 2022, 03:09:49 PM
Seems like a definite decision has been made.
https://sportwitness.co.uk/players-fulham-exit-around-corner-club-will-pay-cottagers-decision-now-definitively-taken/
Great. Stats don't turn soldiers into generals no matter how good they are. I'd like to see us find that right player and EUR 15m is plenty to work with.
Would love him back. Quality and professionalism makes up for lack of loyalty. We don't have the luxury of declining his services because he is not fully committed. He can do a professional job as he did last time around and if that job is better than our more committed players, he should be in our squad. Survival is the top priority and Anguissa increases our chances of survival (even if he intends to leave if we get relegated).
Quote from: Ruislip White on May 13, 2022, 08:11:07 PM
Would love him back. Quality and professionalism makes up for lack of loyalty. We don't have the luxury of declining his services because he is not fully committed. He can do a professional job as he did last time around and if that job is better than our more committed players, he should be in our squad. Survival is the top priority and Anguissa increases our chances of survival (even if he intends to leave if we get relegated).
If survival is the top priotity then avoid Anguissa playing for us again, though I do prefer him to Chalobah and Onomah which is not saying a lot!!
Frank must leave (not one for the Trenches)
I'm confused, I thought we were playing football, not fighting on the western front. All this speak of generals, trenches etc. Put the best players out on the pitch and make sure they have some team spirit and tactical instruction, and the results should take care of themselves.
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I'm confused, I thought we were playing football, not fighting on the western front. All this speak of generals, trenches etc. Put the best players out on the pitch and make sure they have some team spirit and tactical instruction, and the results should take care of themselves.
Yes. These military clichés are a frequent fall-back for those more impressed by sweat than skill.
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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "
Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us
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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"
Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course
This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections. he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass. I just think he flatters to deceive.
lol what?
He had the second most assists in the team.
He made the 7th most tackles in the prem, joint with Ngolo Kante, on 87.
He made the 10th most interceptions in the prem, joint with Soucek, on 55.
Joint 11th for passes between defenders into open space in the prem.
Joint 10th for successful dribbles which lead to a shot in the prem.
I get people not wanting him because he doesn't care if we stay up or not, but people acting like he's not easily the most talented player in the squad are laughable.
Ok I can't be bothered to check your stats but I can only rely on my memories. I don't think that calling me laughable is very grown up and certainly adds nothing to the debate. As a ST I saw plenty of Zambo and my recollection is of a tidy player who made little impact. I'm fine if you disagree and have different memories of watching him but please don't resort to juvenile comments.
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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "
Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us
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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"
Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course
This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections. he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass. I just think he flatters to deceive.
lol what?
He had the second most assists in the team.
He made the 7th most tackles in the prem, joint with Ngolo Kante, on 87.
He made the 10th most interceptions in the prem, joint with Soucek, on 55.
Joint 11th for passes between defenders into open space in the prem.
Joint 10th for successful dribbles which lead to a shot in the prem.
I get people not wanting him because he doesn't care if we stay up or not, but people acting like he's not easily the most talented player in the squad are laughable.
Wonderful how you quote 10th bests and 11th bests.....who ever remembered the 10th best at anything. The problem is so many Fulham fans accept this as "good". He is a very average Prem player who doesn't want to be at Fulham. Let him go, we are best off without him.
It's like so many fans who say they are happy in The Championship, because we do better there.....rather than stepping up and testing ourselves against the best, as we did for 13 years.
You do understand that having the 7th, 10th or 11th highest result out of the 500+ players in the entire league is in the highest upper tier, right? Like the 98th percentile. Very very far from average
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You do understand that having the 7th, 10th or 11th highest result out of the 500+ players in the entire league is in the highest upper tier, right? Like the 98th percentile. Very very far from average
But if you had actually watched the games you would have been able to work pretty quickly he was inneffectual, your argumant is like saying Possession wins games....it doesn't
Madness is continuing to do the things that have failed previously, Anguissa matches this description
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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "
Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us
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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"
Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course
This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections. he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass. I just think he flatters to deceive.
lol what?
He had the second most assists in the team.
He made the 7th most tackles in the prem, joint with Ngolo Kante, on 87.
He made the 10th most interceptions in the prem, joint with Soucek, on 55.
Joint 11th for passes between defenders into open space in the prem.
Joint 10th for successful dribbles which lead to a shot in the prem.
I get people not wanting him because he doesn't care if we stay up or not, but people acting like he's not easily the most talented player in the squad are laughable.
My main impression of Zambo is that he had so much potential but failed to deliver. In the main I was frustrated by the number of times he ran forward strongly with the ball but failed to release it before he was closed down. Even so, I feel he adds more strength to the defensive side of our game than our other options. Can we do better? I'd like to think so, but in the meantime Anguissa is worth keeping.
No football brain and no heart. Get rid!
i cannot warm to a player who disappears when the going gets tough. he thinks he is better than he is.
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Quote from: Donnie Lonegan on May 13, 2022, 03:09:49 PM
Seems like a definite decision has been made.
https://sportwitness.co.uk/players-fulham-exit-around-corner-club-will-pay-cottagers-decision-now-definitively-taken/
Great. Stats don't turn soldiers into generals no matter how good they are. I'd like to see us find that right player and EUR 15m is plenty to work with.
Isn't the fee 15 million
over 3 years (5 million per)?
Great player in a side better than the rest, could be great if he gave us a season with 100% effort but just don't have the confidence he would. Not sure he would do much for team morale.
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on May 15, 2022, 06:29:53 PM
Madness is continuing to do the things that have failed previously, Anguissa matches this description
By that argument we should also get rid of Tete,Tosin,Reed,Seri,Mitro,Robinson who were all just as ineffectual as Anguissa in our last couple of Premier League seasons 👍
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Quote from: Hugh Gentry on May 15, 2022, 06:29:53 PM
Madness is continuing to do the things that have failed previously, Anguissa matches this description
By that argument we should also get rid of Tete,Tosin,Reed,Seri,Mitro,Robinson who were all just as ineffectual as Anguissa in our last couple of Premier League seasons 👍
Were they? that is your opinion, and they have only played one relegation campaign, not two. The biggest difference, however, is that the players you name actually want to play for the club.
He is an absolute quality player, his various trips around all of the major leagues in Europe show that and anybody who thinks otherwise is being a bit daft really.
If Napoli don't want him (which would be mad at that price) then get him back here for pre-season and see how he goes. The manager knows what he is looking for and if Anguissa isn't up to it then flog him a little further down the line. He'll sell at the drop of a hat, no problem.
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Quote from: Hugh Gentry on May 15, 2022, 06:29:53 PM
Madness is continuing to do the things that have failed previously, Anguissa matches this description
By that argument we should also get rid of Tete,Tosin,Reed,Seri,Mitro,Robinson who were all just as ineffectual as Anguissa in our last couple of Premier League seasons 👍
Were they? that is your opinion, and they have only played one relegation campaign, not two. The biggest difference, however, is that the players you name actually want to play for the club.
And everything mentioned about Anguissa is opinion as well... all I'm saying is a lot of people stating on this thread he should go because he was ineffectual and yes it's my opinion that a lot more players fall into that category when we have been in the Prem, you are obviously well within your rights to belief that we have had alot of effective players in our recent prem adventures I just disagree.
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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "
Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us
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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"
Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course
This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections. he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass. I just think he flatters to deceive.
lol what?
He had the second most assists in the team.
He made the 7th most tackles in the prem, joint with Ngolo Kante, on 87.
He made the 10th most interceptions in the prem, joint with Soucek, on 55.
Joint 11th for passes between defenders into open space in the prem.
Joint 10th for successful dribbles which lead to a shot in the prem.
I get people not wanting him because he doesn't care if we stay up or not, but people acting like he's not easily the most talented player in the squad are laughable.
Ok I can't be bothered to check your stats but I can only rely on my memories. I don't think that calling me laughable is very grown up and certainly adds nothing to the debate.As a ST I saw plenty of Zambo and my recollection is of a tidy player who made little impact. I'm fine if you disagree and have different memories of watching him but please don't resort to juvenile comments.
https://fbref.com/en/
Look them up if you want.
I wasn't call you as a person laughable, I was calling the idea that people are acting like he's not the most talented player in the squad laughable, as it's actually laughter eliciting. Millwall's Jed Wallce summed it up perfectly when he said "when have you ever heard of a Championship player being loaned out to Napoli?"
The only season he played in front of crowds was his first season where he objectively struggled in a terrible team. He excelled at Villareal and Napoli. Had a good season last year in a poorly managed team that could not score. It's just facts.
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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "
Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us
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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"
Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course
This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections. he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass. I just think he flatters to deceive.
lol what?
He had the second most assists in the team.
He made the 7th most tackles in the prem, joint with Ngolo Kante, on 87.
He made the 10th most interceptions in the prem, joint with Soucek, on 55.
Joint 11th for passes between defenders into open space in the prem.
Joint 10th for successful dribbles which lead to a shot in the prem.
I get people not wanting him because he doesn't care if we stay up or not, but people acting like he's not easily the most talented player in the squad are laughable.
Wonderful how you quote 10th bests and 11th bests.....who ever remembered the 10th best at anything. The problem is so many Fulham fans accept this as "good". He is a very average Prem player who doesn't want to be at Fulham. Let him go, we are best off without him.
It's like so many fans who say they are happy in The Championship, because we do better there.....rather than stepping up and testing ourselves against the best, as we did for 13 years.
"who ever remembered the 10th best at anything. The problem is so many Fulham fans accept this as "good". The prem is the most talent filled league in the world, we have a player who was top 10 in several important categories, beating out over 500 players, while playing in a team that created absolutely nothing, and he's not good enough for Fulham hahaahaha.
This post is so strange .. Clearly have some personal vendetta against him
Good player
Quote from: @jolslover on May 16, 2022, 09:44:51 AM
This post is so strange .. Clearly have some personal vendetta against him
Good player
Agree with your comments. There were some posters who were anti Seri in exactly the same way prior to this season. I don't get it. Anguissa is easily the best midfielder we have, though I doubt we'll see him in a white shirt again.
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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "
Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us
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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"
Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course
This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections. he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass. I just think he flatters to deceive.
lol what?
He had the second most assists in the team.
He made the 7th most tackles in the prem, joint with Ngolo Kante, on 87.
He made the 10th most interceptions in the prem, joint with Soucek, on 55.
Joint 11th for passes between defenders into open space in the prem.
Joint 10th for successful dribbles which lead to a shot in the prem.
I get people not wanting him because he doesn't care if we stay up or not, but people acting like he's not easily the most talented player in the squad are laughable.
Wonderful how you quote 10th bests and 11th bests.....who ever remembered the 10th best at anything. The problem is so many Fulham fans accept this as "good". He is a very average Prem player who doesn't want to be at Fulham. Let him go, we are best off without him.
It's like so many fans who say they are happy in The Championship, because we do better there.....rather than stepping up and testing ourselves against the best, as we did for 13 years.
"who ever remembered the 10th best at anything. The problem is so many Fulham fans accept this as "good". The prem is the most talent filled league in the world, we have a player who was top 10 in several important categories, beating out over 500 players, while playing in a team that created absolutely nothing, and he's not good enough for Fulham hahaahaha.
Zambo could have been a Talisman at Fulham with his ability and physique, and even a cult hero.
But because what i consider to be the wrong mentality and personality. He chose to be a big time charlie with the wrong attitude and manner, not helped by a body language that showed he couldn't be arsed.
Then to confirm there were no doubts about these deductions, it appeared that he would not play for his employers and team mates in the Championship both times we were relegated in a team he went down with.
Very disappointing and can fracture a dressing room. He must have been an absolute bundle of laughs in the dressing room and at the players annual jolly.
Never saw him smile, never saw him break sweat either come to think about it.
A shame in some ways, but it was not Fulhams best ever signing because of the size of the fee, the Khans were well and truly mugged there and we will never get our moneys worth out of him on and off the pitch.
Best for all to cut ties, cut our losses and move on.
If he comes back and plays, he will have to change which i don't think he can, it just the way he is, the way he is made, he will have a lot of catching up to do to win me over.
Speaking from a purely factual basis, Anguissa was far better than Reed but because Reed runs about more like a headless chicken, people seem to think he's the better player. Anguissa's attacking and defensive contributions are better for almost every metric you could measure last season (assists, chances created, shots on target, tackles, interceptions etc.). He was also the best player in the team until January when he got Covid and his form (like the entire squad) quickly tailed of at the end of the season. I would be very surprised if we replace him with similar quality for €15m. Also quite funny that people write him off considering last season was under Parker where literally everyone got stifled of any creativity (and we've since accepted as much in the cases of Seri/Kebano/Mitro et al); imagine what he could do under Silva who would know how to use a player of his skillset, but it looks like people will get their wish of him leaving this summer. Never fear though; we'll likely have a 9 man bench next season with Chalobah and Onomah on it instead - lucky us!
Interesting that a lot of posters that seemingly don't know anything about what has actually happened outside of the obvious (that we have loaned him out) still is convinced that there is something wrong with Anguissa's mentality. It's always strange to me when people base arguments on what is seemingly entirely made up stuff.
There may be something wrong, and Anguissa might not want to play for us, but we don't know that. The other players may not want him back, but we don't know that either. I am confident that Silva is better placed to assess whether or not Anguissa can contribute to the team both on and off the pitch and as such I feel no need to try to fabricate reasons as to why or why not he should stay or go.
Instead, I prefer to base my own assessment on his skills as a footballer, since that is something I can actually observe (although of course not to the same level as the people working with football every day). Based on that, I would love him back, since I am convinced that he is our best midfielder even though he is by no means a complete player. Silva will of course be better placed than me in this department as well, but at least I can base my argument on something that actually exists (eye test, stats, playing style preference etc.).
But to each their own.
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Interesting that a lot of posters that seemingly don't know anything about what has actually happened outside of the obvious (that we have loaned him out) still is convinced that there is something wrong with Anguissa's mentality. It's always strange to me when people base arguments on what is seemingly entirely made up stuff.
There may be something wrong, and Anguissa might not want to play for us, but we don't know that. The other players may not want him back, but we don't know that either. I am confident that Silva is better placed to assess whether or not Anguissa can contribute to the team both on and off the pitch and as such I feel no need to try to fabricate reasons as to why or why not he should stay or go.
Instead, I prefer to base my own assessment on his skills as a footballer, since that is something I can actually observe (although of course not to the same level as the people working with football every day). Based on that, I would love him back, since I am convinced that he is our best midfielder even though he is by no means a complete player. Silva will of course be better placed than me in this department as well, but at least I can base my argument on something that actually exists (eye test, stats, playing style preference etc.).
But to each their own.
I think the majority of people base their opinion on what they see, you are not unique. Most people also see a player who's style doesn't really suit English football, have you ever thought that he gets loaned out because no other club is prepared to stump up the cash for him?? Apparenty he had a fantastic year in Spain last yer, but they didn't want to buy him, apparently he has had a wonderful year in Naples this year, but they still haven't committed to buy him.....these are also facts.
Or, they loan him because they can't afford to buy him. It's quite common. But I guess you know that.
People that state that he is bad for the dressing room, or has a bad attitude don't base that on what they see. Which is what my post was about.
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Or, they loan him because they can't afford to buy him. It's quite common. But I guess you know that.
People that state that he is bad for the dressing room, or has a bad attitude don't base that on what they see. Which is what my post was about.
I must admit, I questioned his attitude at start of season. Twice going out on loan rather than fighting to get us up when I feel, he was part and parcel of why we went down.....
That was completely driven by sentiment and the annoyance he wouldn't be with us tearing apart the championship though. I think the reality is, we like him, want him playing for us next season so loaned him out to keep in line with FFP on the wages front rather than to keep a nice dressing room or no one wanting to buy him. To anyone not liking him. I appreciate opinions, but if you think Anguissa coming back to our squad, currently, wouldn't be our best midfielder in the squad, you're straight up delusional.
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 16, 2022, 10:41:05 AM
Or, they loan him because they can't afford to buy him. It's quite common. But I guess you know that.
People that state that he is bad for the dressing room, or has a bad attitude don't base that on what they see. Which is what my post was about.
People have said they don't like his style of play, what has that got to do with the dressing room. If he was that good people would find a way of affording him. We can do better.....time to let go and not try and making something work for a 3rd time when it has failed twice already.
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on May 16, 2022, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 16, 2022, 10:41:05 AM
Or, they loan him because they can't afford to buy him. It's quite common. But I guess you know that.
People that state that he is bad for the dressing room, or has a bad attitude don't base that on what they see. Which is what my post was about.
People have said they don't like his style of play, what has that got to do with the dressing room. If he was that good people would find a way of affording him. We can do better.....time to let go and not try and making something work for a 3rd time when it has failed twice already.
You do know there are several posts in this thread right? Maybe read them if you don't understand what I am addressing. As for the rest, you are free to your opinion, and I am free to think that you are so wrong that I don't even know where to begin.
Cheers
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 16, 2022, 10:56:41 AM
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on May 16, 2022, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 16, 2022, 10:41:05 AM
Or, they loan him because they can't afford to buy him. It's quite common. But I guess you know that.
People that state that he is bad for the dressing room, or has a bad attitude don't base that on what they see. Which is what my post was about.
People have said they don't like his style of play, what has that got to do with the dressing room. If he was that good people would find a way of affording him. We can do better.....time to let go and not try and making something work for a 3rd time when it has failed twice already.
You do know there are several posts in this thread right? Maybe read them if you don't understand what I am addressing. As for the rest, you are free to your opinion, and I am free to think that you are so wrong that I don't even know where to begin.
Cheers
Isn't getting it wrong twice and trying the same for a 3rd time adressing why YOU are so wrong?
I think this is probably just one of those agree to disagree type of issues.....but, just to say that a lot of the posters are saying the same things about Anguissa as they did about Seri.
I just read a few from way back. A quick search on keywords was quite funny.
Seri apparently is "a mercenary", "cowardly", "waste of space" "toxic' and one particular poster keeps referencing his lack of courage and you wouldn't want him in the trenches.
Fast forward 1 and 2 seasons ands Seri is being serenaded by the whole ground, lifted shoulder high by the players and his name being sung by all the players in the dressing room.
I base what I see on a football pitch. We should have stayed up last season. My view is the tactics were wrong and the players weren't used to their strengths. If I was a pro footballer, I would have been well pissed off with how the team was coached and there's no way I would want to hang around.
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on May 16, 2022, 11:16:07 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 16, 2022, 10:56:41 AM
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on May 16, 2022, 10:52:55 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 16, 2022, 10:41:05 AM
Or, they loan him because they can't afford to buy him. It's quite common. But I guess you know that.
People that state that he is bad for the dressing room, or has a bad attitude don't base that on what they see. Which is what my post was about.
People have said they don't like his style of play, what has that got to do with the dressing room. If he was that good people would find a way of affording him. We can do better.....time to let go and not try and making something work for a 3rd time when it has failed twice already.
You do know there are several posts in this thread right? Maybe read them if you don't understand what I am addressing. As for the rest, you are free to your opinion, and I am free to think that you are so wrong that I don't even know where to begin.
Cheers
Isn't getting it wrong twice and trying the same for a 3rd time adressing why YOU are so wrong?
Short answer, no you haven't really addressed almost any of the actual points of my posts.
But to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you still want to discuss (even if it's not really what I was discussing), this wouldn't be to try the same thing for the third time, unless you believe that all other circumstances are basically the same. Do you believe that?
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on May 16, 2022, 09:58:45 AM
Zambo could have been a Talisman at Fulham with his ability and physique, and even a cult hero.
But because what i consider to be the wrong mentality and personality. He chose to be a big time charlie with the wrong attitude and manner, not helped by a body language that showed he couldn't be arsed.
Then to confirm there were no doubts about these deductions, it appeared that he would not play for his employers and team mates in the Championship both times we were relegated in a team he went down with.
Very disappointing and can fracture a dressing room. He must have been an absolute bundle of laughs in the dressing room and at the players annual jolly.
Never saw him smile, never saw him break sweat either come to think about it.
A shame in some ways, but it was not Fulhams best ever signing because of the size of the fee, the Khans were well and truly mugged there and we will never get our moneys worth out of him on and off the pitch.
Best for all to cut ties, cut our losses and move on.
If he comes back and plays, he will have to change which i don't think he can, it just the way he is, the way he is made, he will have a lot of catching up to do to win me over.
The bit in bold didn't happen, the OP who has some strange kind of agenda made it up.
We also don't know that Napoli didn't just come straight in with an offer for him rather than him agitating for a move away after all he did play in the Championship. I do agree the latter is probably more likely but we don't know it.
He's been an uninspiring part of 2 sides that have been relegated. And these arguments about it costing 40 million to replace him, well in essence there's nothing to replace; and not even the 11th highest number of diagonal runs in his own half will convince me his return would be a good idea. Time to move on Zambo, thanks for your brief flashes of mediocrity and apparent indifference
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 16, 2022, 10:15:44 AM
Interesting that a lot of posters that seemingly don't know anything about what has actually happened outside of the obvious (that we have loaned him out) still is convinced that there is something wrong with Anguissa's mentality. It's always strange to me when people base arguments on what is seemingly entirely made up stuff.
There may be something wrong, and Anguissa might not want to play for us, but we don't know that. The other players may not want him back, but we don't know that either. I am confident that Silva is better placed to assess whether or not Anguissa can contribute to the team both on and off the pitch and as such I feel no need to try to fabricate reasons as to why or why not he should stay or go.
Instead, I prefer to base my own assessment on his skills as a footballer, since that is something I can actually observe (although of course not to the same level as the people working with football every day). Based on that, I would love him back, since I am convinced that he is our best midfielder even though he is by no means a complete player. Silva will of course be better placed than me in this department as well, but at least I can base my argument on something that actually exists (eye test, stats, playing style preference etc.).
But to each their own.
Well said.
Quote from: MartyFFC on May 16, 2022, 03:23:52 PM
He's been an uninspiring part of 2 sides that have been relegated. And these arguments about it costing 40 million to replace him, well in essence there's nothing to replace; and not even the 11th highest number of diagonal runs in his own half will convince me his return would be a good idea. Time to move on Zambo, thanks for your brief flashes of mediocrity and apparent indifference
Well said
My opinion on Anguissa for what is worth is that on paper he is technically & physically head & shoulders above our current midfielders, but mentally and output wise he is not Premiership standard, eg no goals for Napoli and very few assists!
All very well talking about player loyalty, an emotional exercise but it does not win games although undoubtedly helpful for club spirit.
The bigger question is that our current midfielders, and our best XI in my opinion, will struggle to contain most Premiership opponents if they are on their game, so 2-3 quality midfielders are required.
Well we seem to be divided on this board about Anguissa but the club have seen a lot of him in matches and in training and Silva must have a firm opinion of whether or not he wants him in the squad for next season.
It is now important that a decision is made without delay, he should be either be signed or sold early in the window, we don't want to have to live with doubt all the way up to the new season which would delay the possible signing of a replacement.
Quote from: copthornemike on May 17, 2022, 09:17:53 AM
My opinion on Anguissa for what is worth is that on paper he is technically & physically head & shoulders above our current midfielders, but mentally and output wise he is not Premiership standard, eg no goals for Napoli and very few assists!
All very well talking about player loyalty, an emotional exercise but it does not win games although undoubtedly helpful for club spirit.
The bigger question is that our current midfielders, and our best XI in my opinion, will struggle to contain most Premiership opponents if they are on their game, so 2-3 quality midfielders are required.
Genuinely with respect as I see your post meant well, do you think that the 3rd best team in Italy that has qualified for the champions league, have a player that is rated 4th best this season across all attributes (whoscored) just haven't noticed that Anguissa doesnt score or directly assist, or maybe they are looking at other things from his game?
I regret to say that I haven't seen anything eye catching or supporting his price tag for Fulham from Anguissa thus far, and although I accept he played in two fated and relegated PL teams, there was a lot of difference in circumstances between them. The first relegation featured three managers with little in common and the second featured a blinkered manager who was also complicit in the first failure being a coach throughout that campaign and therefore familiar with what was going on at that time - if anyone knew Anguissa well it should have been him. Fact remains that with Anguissa and an apparently better defensive pair we didn't survive. That is the basis of my doubt but what if we find midfield gem who can play in partnership with Anguissa and lift both their games? Can Marco Silva do that?
I do not minimise Anguissa's football skills but it remains to be seen if he can play to his price and become a real PL talent at the third time of asking. That is a risk and is our head coach up for it? Thus far Marco Silva has delivered and so let us see what he has in mind for 22/23 midfield (and therefore defensive) success.
From what I've seen of Anguissa (which to be honest is very little except when he played for us) he is clearly a talented player but he lacks the concentration and awareness to be a reliable holding midfielder and also lacks the end product to be any kind of attacking threat whatsoever. He can dribble his way past 4 players and then turn around and dribble his way back to where he started. I'm sure he could be an amazing player for the right team, with the right tactics and in the right position but I don't think that team will be Fulham.
Anguissa was very arguably our best player before he got COVID in the last Prem season, and I didn't think he was nearly the same after that.
I also don't think his skill set works with the talent we had/have, but it can/does in a different league and/or on a better team. In that way, he might not be completely different from Mitrovic, who I always thought would fare better in the Prem on 6th-10th place team rather than a promoted one. Hope he proves me wrong this time.
Quote from: 70sPimlico on May 17, 2022, 10:32:40 AM
Quote from: copthornemike on May 17, 2022, 09:17:53 AM
My opinion on Anguissa for what is worth is that on paper he is technically & physically head & shoulders above our current midfielders, but mentally and output wise he is not Premiership standard, eg no goals for Napoli and very few assists!
All very well talking about player loyalty, an emotional exercise but it does not win games although undoubtedly helpful for club spirit.
The bigger question is that our current midfielders, and our best XI in my opinion, will struggle to contain most Premiership opponents if they are on their game, so 2-3 quality midfielders are required.
Genuinely with respect as I see your post meant well, do you think that the 3rd best team in Italy that has qualified for the champions league, have a player that is rated 4th best this season across all attributes (whoscored) just haven't noticed that Anguissa doesnt score or directly assist, or maybe they are looking at other things from his game?
Fair comment - undoubtedly done a good job with Napoli this season. Undoubtedly he is a good player for that particular league, however for a newly promoted club in the faster & more physically demanding Premiership many of us have our doubts. Equally some excellent Premiership players struggle when they move to Italy!
Quote from: Whitestone on May 16, 2022, 09:51:14 AM
Quote from: @jolslover on May 16, 2022, 09:44:51 AM
This post is so strange .. Clearly have some personal vendetta against him
Good player
Agree with your comments. There were some posters who were anti Seri in exactly the same way prior to this season. I don't get it. Anguissa is easily the best midfielder we have, though I doubt we'll see him in a white shirt again.
Let's hope so
Quote from: Denver Fulham on May 17, 2022, 05:15:39 PM
Anguissa was very arguably our best player before he got COVID in the last Prem season, and I didn't think he was nearly the same after that.
I also don't think his skill set works with the talent we had/have, but it can/does in a different league and/or on a better team. In that way, he might not be completely different from Mitrovic, who I always thought would fare better in the Prem on 6th-10th place team rather than a promoted one. Hope he proves me wrong this time.
Hope he doesn't get the chance, need to move him on!
Everyone loves a scapegoat. He had some immense games for us(especially the draw vs Liverpool at the cottage). Our entire team was garbage our last relegation year, yet he is the only one who carries the stain.
Reed is average at literally everything. He is a good squad player,(for a relegation battle side) but isn't a specialist at anything other than running a lot.
Somebody loves him. (translated from today's Il Mattino, Naples daily newspaper.)
"Frank Anguissa , Napoli midfielder until June 30th but still owned by Fulham , just recently promoted to the Premier League , is still not sure of his future . The blue club [Napoli] can redeem the Cameroonian and buy him definitively from the English, a market deal that has not yet materialized and that could change in one way or another the Neapolitan market summer.
Meanwhile, in the two days of break granted by Spalletti, Anguissa has no intention of leaving Naples: with some friends the blue midfielder enjoys the almost summer air of Posillipo , between the sun and the sea, waiting for the last championship challenge . A championship in which he was the absolute protagonist: according to WhoScored data , in fact, Anguissa is the third best defensive midfielder of the last Serie A, behind Bennacer and Tonali and in front of teammate Fabian Ruiz."
The good or bad news, dependant on your pov, is that Napoli will be keen to activate the 'buy' clause in the loan agreement.
Hopefully a conclusion is reached, one way or the other, before that 'June 30th' deadline.
Quote from: vancouver on May 17, 2022, 07:50:56 PM
Everyone loves a scapegoat. He had some immense games for us(especially the draw vs Liverpool at the cottage). Our entire team was garbage our last relegation year, yet he is the only one who carries the stain.
Reed is average at literally everything. He is a good squad player,(for a relegation battle side) but isn't a specialist at anything other than running a lot.
If our entire team was garbage why do so many want to resign Areola and Anderson?
Quote from: Twig on May 17, 2022, 09:13:22 PM
Quote from: vancouver on May 17, 2022, 07:50:56 PM
Everyone loves a scapegoat. He had some immense games for us(especially the draw vs Liverpool at the cottage). Our entire team was garbage our last relegation year, yet he is the only one who carries the stain.
Reed is average at literally everything. He is a good squad player,(for a relegation battle side) but isn't a specialist at anything other than running a lot.
If our entire team was garbage why do so many want to resign Areola and Anderson?
I think you probably understood the point being made about Anguissa.
Napoli have triggered the clause and personal terms already agreed apparently.
I wonder who will be the next target if the above is true, and Frank leaves.
As far as I'm concerned, like Carvalho, he can just far cough.
I think it will be a good move for all. I struggled with him last season. Some say it was because of Parker, which I could agree with, but at the same time - he really did not perform his best. There were too many brain-fleeting moments for me that stacked up against his good play. Such as absent-mindedly one-time passing to the other team happened on more than one occasion. Trying stepovers in advanced positions only to take one too many and lose control of the ball. His very wild shooting and lack of composure. His overconfident dribbling and demeanor, very similar to how Pogba will look at times, hurt a lot more than it helped.
He wants to be at Lazio, and it was fairly clear he didn't want to be at Fulham when he put on the shirt. I understand the world isn't fair, but it's a joke to me that he waltzed into the first team last year and would've tried to do the same this year. We call AK a passion merchant, well to me Zambo is a leech who only plays for himself. I think it's a good thing to distance ourselves from such a player, and fill in the role with someone who wants to be at the club full-time rather than rented-time.
Quote from: Donnie Lonegan on May 18, 2022, 02:39:02 PM
As far as I'm concerned, like Carvalho, he can just far cough.
but when someone says Parker is detestable, " no need for that sort of language in my view."
So consistent.
Quote from: Matt10 on May 18, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
He wants to be at Lazio...
He'll be disapointed by the outcome then.
Same colour shirts but over 100 miles apart.
Quote from: cmg on May 18, 2022, 03:07:02 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on May 18, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
He wants to be at Lazio...
He'll be disapointed by the outcome then.
Same colour shirts but over 100 miles apart.
Woops - got the potential keeper on the brain! I've obviously moved on from Zambo :)
A good player on his day but he didn't have many of those days with us.
Reading through this thread, I feel that there a fair few who are massively overrating him and others who don't fully appreciate some of his quality.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle and that he is a decent premier league midfielder and nothing more in my view.
I won't be losing any sleep about him leaving.
HE'S GONE !!!!!
Hallelujah
Quote from: Matt10 on May 18, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
I think it will be a good move for all. I struggled with him last season. Some say it was because of Parker, which I could agree with, but at the same time - he really did not perform his best. There were too many brain-fleeting moments for me that stacked up against his good play. Such as absent-mindedly one-time passing to the other team happened on more than one occasion. Trying stepovers in advanced positions only to take one too many and lose control of the ball. His very wild shooting and lack of composure. His overconfident dribbling and demeanor, very similar to how Pogba will look at times, hurt a lot more than it helped.
He wants to be at Lazio, and it was fairly clear he didn't want to be at Fulham when he put on the shirt. I understand the world isn't fair, but it's a joke to me that he waltzed into the first team last year and would've tried to do the same this year. We call AK a passion merchant, well to me Zambo is a leech who only plays for himself. I think it's a good thing to distance ourselves from such a player, and fill in the role with someone who wants to be at the club full-time rather than rented-time.
Interesting character assassination. You must be a very good reader of personalities, or know a huge amount more than what has been made publicly available. At least to me none of what you wrote in your second paragraph was fairly clear, or even a little clear.
Sorry to see him go but probably the best outcome for all parties.
Quote from: clarkey on May 18, 2022, 04:01:22 PM
HE'S GONE !!!!!
Good.
No end product and questionable application.
Whoscored ratings made him our best player of 2020/21.
Out of interest, for all the posters who say "no end product", what do you think of Harrison Reed considering he provides even less output going forward but is apparently PL quality according to some?
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 18, 2022, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on May 18, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
I think it will be a good move for all. I struggled with him last season. Some say it was because of Parker, which I could agree with, but at the same time - he really did not perform his best. There were too many brain-fleeting moments for me that stacked up against his good play. Such as absent-mindedly one-time passing to the other team happened on more than one occasion. Trying stepovers in advanced positions only to take one too many and lose control of the ball. His very wild shooting and lack of composure. His overconfident dribbling and demeanor, very similar to how Pogba will look at times, hurt a lot more than it helped.
He wants to be at Lazio, and it was fairly clear he didn't want to be at Fulham when he put on the shirt. I understand the world isn't fair, but it's a joke to me that he waltzed into the first team last year and would've tried to do the same this year. We call AK a passion merchant, well to me Zambo is a leech who only plays for himself. I think it's a good thing to distance ourselves from such a player, and fill in the role with someone who wants to be at the club full-time rather than rented-time.
Interesting character assassination. You must be a very good reader of personalities, or know a huge amount more than what has been made publicly available. At least to me none of what you wrote in your second paragraph was fairly clear, or even a little clear.
It's not even that, it's simply my interpretation of his loyalty to the club. Does someone seem loyal if they keep leaving every time we get relegated? What stopped him from being Mitro, Tosin or even Seri (to name a few) - who battled and got us back up? This time he would have had left us, and now he'd be back again - ready to reap the benefits from the hard work put forth by those who stayed.
Quote from: Deeping_white on May 18, 2022, 06:57:50 PM
Out of interest, for all the posters who say "no end product", what do you think of Harrison Reed considering he provides even less output going forward but is apparently PL quality according to some?
I do like Reed, but within Silva's system he's not who we really want that advanced - which is where he found himself a lot of the time. Many times throughout the season we'd get in an advanced area and he'd either play the safe pass or couldn't make the threaded ones. However, his work rate off the ball is second-to-none, and that's where his true strength is to me.
In terms of PL quality standards, it's a bit skewed. He's played a lot of premier league matches, so he has the experience that we need. However, guilty by association of the Parker relegated side, time will only tell whether he and the others are going to be PL quality.
Quote from: Deeping_white on May 18, 2022, 06:57:50 PM
Out of interest, for all the posters who say "no end product", what do you think of Harrison Reed considering he provides even less output going forward but is apparently PL quality according to some?
Literally all Anguissa had was an exceptional ability to cleanly breakup play, an effortless talent to drift past players and create space, and a Champions League-level quality to progress the team swiftly from defence to attack with consummate ease.
WHO NEEDS ANY OF THAT. I WANTS GOALZZZZZZ. RUBBBISSHHHHHH. GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!
I'm just glad this saga is over.
Did we pay them to take him or was it the other way round? Either way, wish him all the best for the future and condolences to his new club!
Quote from: Matt10 on May 18, 2022, 07:54:01 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on May 18, 2022, 06:57:50 PM
Out of interest, for all the posters who say "no end product", what do you think of Harrison Reed considering he provides even less output going forward but is apparently PL quality according to some?
I do like Reed, but within Silva's system he's not who we really want that advanced - which is where he found himself a lot of the time. Many times throughout the season we'd get in an advanced area and he'd either play the safe pass or couldn't make the threaded ones. However, his work rate off the ball is second-to-none, and that's where his true strength is to me.
In terms of PL quality standards, it's a bit skewed. He's played a lot of premier league matches, so he has the experience that we need. However, guilty by association of the Parker relegated side, time will only tell whether he and the others are going to be PL quality.
Anguissa has 10 more appearances in the PL than Reed btw so can't really say he's played a lot of games with a paltry 48 appearances. If his main output is that he runs around a lot then we're stuffed if we start with him next season as we'll get no technical benefit but a lot of running around like a headless chicken
For "running around a lot " read in peoples faces. Reed isn't as good a footballer as Anguissa but his application makes him more useful .I remember a radio interview after our last game at St Mary's when James Ward Prowse said that Reed was a nightmare to play against because he never gave you time on the ball . Old teammates maybe so I watched the highlights only the other day- and there was Zambo nowhere near the action just letting people walk past him .
Better player no application
Who scored ratings may have him as our best player but my Subbuteo 1967set with red plastic floodlights says he is crap
Quote from: Deeping_white on May 18, 2022, 08:28:49 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on May 18, 2022, 07:54:01 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on May 18, 2022, 06:57:50 PM
Out of interest, for all the posters who say "no end product", what do you think of Harrison Reed considering he provides even less output going forward but is apparently PL quality according to some?
I do like Reed, but within Silva's system he's not who we really want that advanced - which is where he found himself a lot of the time. Many times throughout the season we'd get in an advanced area and he'd either play the safe pass or couldn't make the threaded ones. However, his work rate off the ball is second-to-none, and that's where his true strength is to me.
In terms of PL quality standards, it's a bit skewed. He's played a lot of premier league matches, so he has the experience that we need. However, guilty by association of the Parker relegated side, time will only tell whether he and the others are going to be PL quality.
Anguissa has 10 more appearances in the PL than Reed btw so can't really say he's played a lot of games with a paltry 48 appearances. If his main output is that he runs around a lot then we're stuffed if we start with him next season as we'll get no technical benefit but a lot of running around like a headless chicken
You asked the question about Reed, and I answered. I've already given my thoughts on Zambo, and fairly detailed what I saw were red flags. I mentioned how Reed is not who we really want in advanced positions, but still gave him some regard for his defensive work rate. We're basically saying the same thing about his technical output. If you'd ask if he should be our starting CDM, I personally don't think so.
If they were both playing for Silva this coming season, I could probably provide a stronger comparison.
Quote from: Matt10 on May 18, 2022, 07:43:32 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 18, 2022, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on May 18, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
I think it will be a good move for all. I struggled with him last season. Some say it was because of Parker, which I could agree with, but at the same time - he really did not perform his best. There were too many brain-fleeting moments for me that stacked up against his good play. Such as absent-mindedly one-time passing to the other team happened on more than one occasion. Trying stepovers in advanced positions only to take one too many and lose control of the ball. His very wild shooting and lack of composure. His overconfident dribbling and demeanor, very similar to how Pogba will look at times, hurt a lot more than it helped.
He wants to be at Lazio, and it was fairly clear he didn't want to be at Fulham when he put on the shirt. I understand the world isn't fair, but it's a joke to me that he waltzed into the first team last year and would've tried to do the same this year. We call AK a passion merchant, well to me Zambo is a leech who only plays for himself. I think it's a good thing to distance ourselves from such a player, and fill in the role with someone who wants to be at the club full-time rather than rented-time.
Interesting character assassination. You must be a very good reader of personalities, or know a huge amount more than what has been made publicly available. At least to me none of what you wrote in your second paragraph was fairly clear, or even a little clear.
It's not even that, it's simply my interpretation of his loyalty to the club. Does someone seem loyal if they keep leaving every time we get relegated? What stopped him from being Mitro, Tosin or even Seri (to name a few) - who battled and got us back up? This time he would have had left us, and now he'd be back again - ready to reap the benefits from the hard work put forth by those who stayed.
Anguissa has not been in a position to come and go as he likes, as he has been under contract. The club could have kindly told him to stay, and he would likely have played as is indicated by him doing just that before he was loaned out (by the club, imagine that). Similarly, the club didn't have to put him in the starting eleven once he was back, it was not Anguissa's choice, so what do you mean that he "waltzed into the first team"? Blame that Parker guy then if anyone. Or do you think that Anguissa should have refused to play (I mean of course he wouldn't, because he obviously honors his contract, unlike said manager, allegedly)?
I am sure that many of our players would have been interested to join Napoli or a similar level of club on loan, but I suspect few attracted any such interest. I think very few players are loyal if they think they have better opportunities elsewhere. And why would they? It's not as if clubs show much loyalty.
This whole discussion is utterly bizarre to me, like from an alternate universe where Anguissa holds all the cards with a gun to the club's head. Maybe there is indeed a lot more to this that only a select few here is aware of, although I doubt that is the case.
But we all obviously view things very differently.
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 18, 2022, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on May 18, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
I think it will be a good move for all. I struggled with him last season. Some say it was because of Parker, which I could agree with, but at the same time - he really did not perform his best. There were too many brain-fleeting moments for me that stacked up against his good play. Such as absent-mindedly one-time passing to the other team happened on more than one occasion. Trying stepovers in advanced positions only to take one too many and lose control of the ball. His very wild shooting and lack of composure. His overconfident dribbling and demeanor, very similar to how Pogba will look at times, hurt a lot more than it helped.
He wants to be at Lazio, and it was fairly clear he didn't want to be at Fulham when he put on the shirt. I understand the world isn't fair, but it's a joke to me that he waltzed into the first team last year and would've tried to do the same this year. We call AK a passion merchant, well to me Zambo is a leech who only plays for himself. I think it's a good thing to distance ourselves from such a player, and fill in the role with someone who wants to be at the club full-time rather than rented-time.
Interesting character assassination. You must be a very good reader of personalities, or know a huge amount more than what has been made publicly available. At least to me none of what you wrote in your second paragraph was fairly clear, or even a little clear.
Just give it up, what is your agenda here exactly?
Big money signing, high salary earner and delivered very little in terms of helping the team achieve positive results and that surely is what big money, high earners are bought for?
Of course, no player can win on his own but Zambo was poor value for money and nobody will convince me otherwise.
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on May 18, 2022, 10:22:20 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 18, 2022, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on May 18, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
I think it will be a good move for all. I struggled with him last season. Some say it was because of Parker, which I could agree with, but at the same time - he really did not perform his best. There were too many brain-fleeting moments for me that stacked up against his good play. Such as absent-mindedly one-time passing to the other team happened on more than one occasion. Trying stepovers in advanced positions only to take one too many and lose control of the ball. His very wild shooting and lack of composure. His overconfident dribbling and demeanor, very similar to how Pogba will look at times, hurt a lot more than it helped.
He wants to be at Lazio, and it was fairly clear he didn't want to be at Fulham when he put on the shirt. I understand the world isn't fair, but it's a joke to me that he waltzed into the first team last year and would've tried to do the same this year. We call AK a passion merchant, well to me Zambo is a leech who only plays for himself. I think it's a good thing to distance ourselves from such a player, and fill in the role with someone who wants to be at the club full-time rather than rented-time.
Interesting character assassination. You must be a very good reader of personalities, or know a huge amount more than what has been made publicly available. At least to me none of what you wrote in your second paragraph was fairly clear, or even a little clear.
Just give it up, what is your agenda here exactly?
What on earth are you on about? Why would I need an agenda to question the completely conjecture based assessment of someone else on a message board? And why wouldn't I be allowed to share my views and thoughts? Should we turn this into an echo chamber and decide that everyone should dislike Anguissa, or can we keep it a place where people are allowed to think for themselves?
I invite you to use arguments instead of asking other posters to stop posting.
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on May 18, 2022, 10:22:20 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 18, 2022, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on May 18, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
I think it will be a good move for all. I struggled with him last season. Some say it was because of Parker, which I could agree with, but at the same time - he really did not perform his best. There were too many brain-fleeting moments for me that stacked up against his good play. Such as absent-mindedly one-time passing to the other team happened on more than one occasion. Trying stepovers in advanced positions only to take one too many and lose control of the ball. His very wild shooting and lack of composure. His overconfident dribbling and demeanor, very similar to how Pogba will look at times, hurt a lot more than it helped.
He wants to be at Lazio, and it was fairly clear he didn't want to be at Fulham when he put on the shirt. I understand the world isn't fair, but it's a joke to me that he waltzed into the first team last year and would've tried to do the same this year. We call AK a passion merchant, well to me Zambo is a leech who only plays for himself. I think it's a good thing to distance ourselves from such a player, and fill in the role with someone who wants to be at the club full-time rather than rented-time.
Interesting character assassination. You must be a very good reader of personalities, or know a huge amount more than what has been made publicly available. At least to me none of what you wrote in your second paragraph was fairly clear, or even a little clear.
Just give it up, what is your agenda here exactly?
I nearly spat my drink out at the fact you just had the nerve to ask someone else what their agenda is with everything you have been writing
Can easily tell who knows ball by how they rate Anguissa.
Yer da's mate hates him because they want goals goals goals, and don't understand the game.
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 18, 2022, 09:46:11 PM
Anguissa has not been in a position to come and go as he likes, as he has been under contract. The club could have kindly told him to stay, and he would likely have played as is indicated by him doing just that before he was loaned out (by the club, imagine that). Similarly, the club didn't have to put him in the starting eleven once he was back, it was not Anguissa's choice, so what do you mean that he "waltzed into the first team"? Blame that Parker guy then if anyone. Or do you think that Anguissa should have refused to play (I mean of course he wouldn't, because he obviously honors his contract, unlike said manager, allegedly)?
I am sure that many of our players would have been interested to join Napoli or a similar level of club on loan, but I suspect few attracted any such interest. I think very few players are loyal if they think they have better opportunities elsewhere. And why would they? It's not as if clubs show much loyalty.
This whole discussion is utterly bizarre to me, like from an alternate universe where Anguissa holds all the cards with a gun to the club's head. Maybe there is indeed a lot more to this that only a select few here is aware of, although I doubt that is the case.
But we all obviously view things very differently.
But everything you have written and Matt10 has written can exist in the same universe, and even on the same planet, simply as statements that are not in conflict but simple alternative explanations about the 'big unknown' - Anguissa himself and what he feels most comfortable about. He got a good deal coming to FFC with exposure in the PL but was he ever really in demand or did our recruitment guy have his head truned by the same act that lead him to Seri? I don't have the facts but there appears to be some collaboration in the stories that lay claim to being evidence. There have been plemty of threads about this in the past because of the controversy involving both players for differing reasons.
There are facets of Anguissa that ooze quality but there are other facets that suggest deep flaws too.
Quote from: Sammyffc on May 19, 2022, 02:45:31 AM
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on May 18, 2022, 10:22:20 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 18, 2022, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on May 18, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
I think it will be a good move for all. I struggled with him last season. Some say it was because of Parker, which I could agree with, but at the same time - he really did not perform his best. There were too many brain-fleeting moments for me that stacked up against his good play. Such as absent-mindedly one-time passing to the other team happened on more than one occasion. Trying stepovers in advanced positions only to take one too many and lose control of the ball. His very wild shooting and lack of composure. His overconfident dribbling and demeanor, very similar to how Pogba will look at times, hurt a lot more than it helped.
He wants to be at Lazio, and it was fairly clear he didn't want to be at Fulham when he put on the shirt. I understand the world isn't fair, but it's a joke to me that he waltzed into the first team last year and would've tried to do the same this year. We call AK a passion merchant, well to me Zambo is a leech who only plays for himself. I think it's a good thing to distance ourselves from such a player, and fill in the role with someone who wants to be at the club full-time rather than rented-time.
Interesting character assassination. You must be a very good reader of personalities, or know a huge amount more than what has been made publicly available. At least to me none of what you wrote in your second paragraph was fairly clear, or even a little clear.
Just give it up, what is your agenda here exactly?
I nearly spat my drink out at the fact you just had the nerve to ask someone else what their agenda is with everything you have been writing
Yep, had a similar reaction here. SoTN clearly has an agenda....are you his agent or summit!? :doh:
Quote from: toshes mate on May 19, 2022, 07:51:47 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 18, 2022, 09:46:11 PM
Anguissa has not been in a position to come and go as he likes, as he has been under contract. The club could have kindly told him to stay, and he would likely have played as is indicated by him doing just that before he was loaned out (by the club, imagine that). Similarly, the club didn't have to put him in the starting eleven once he was back, it was not Anguissa's choice, so what do you mean that he "waltzed into the first team"? Blame that Parker guy then if anyone. Or do you think that Anguissa should have refused to play (I mean of course he wouldn't, because he obviously honors his contract, unlike said manager, allegedly)?
I am sure that many of our players would have been interested to join Napoli or a similar level of club on loan, but I suspect few attracted any such interest. I think very few players are loyal if they think they have better opportunities elsewhere. And why would they? It's not as if clubs show much loyalty.
This whole discussion is utterly bizarre to me, like from an alternate universe where Anguissa holds all the cards with a gun to the club's head. Maybe there is indeed a lot more to this that only a select few here is aware of, although I doubt that is the case.
But we all obviously view things very differently.
But everything you have written and Matt10 has written can exist in the same universe, and even on the same planet, simply as statements that are not in conflict but simple alternative explanations about the 'big unknown' - Anguissa himself and what he feels most comfortable about. He got a good deal coming to FFC with exposure in the PL but was he ever really in demand or did our recruitment guy have his head truned by the same act that lead him to Seri? I don't have the facts but there appears to be some collaboration in the stories that lay claim to being evidence. There have been plemty of threads about this in the past because of the controversy involving both players for differing reasons.
There are facets of Anguissa that ooze quality but there are other facets that suggest deep flaws too.
A simply brilliant observation from TM.
Quote" A simply brilliant observation from TM."
Yes - spot on
Yes i concur, the voice of reason.
Quote from: toshes mate on May 19, 2022, 07:51:47 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 18, 2022, 09:46:11 PM
Anguissa has not been in a position to come and go as he likes, as he has been under contract. The club could have kindly told him to stay, and he would likely have played as is indicated by him doing just that before he was loaned out (by the club, imagine that). Similarly, the club didn't have to put him in the starting eleven once he was back, it was not Anguissa's choice, so what do you mean that he "waltzed into the first team"? Blame that Parker guy then if anyone. Or do you think that Anguissa should have refused to play (I mean of course he wouldn't, because he obviously honors his contract, unlike said manager, allegedly)?
I am sure that many of our players would have been interested to join Napoli or a similar level of club on loan, but I suspect few attracted any such interest. I think very few players are loyal if they think they have better opportunities elsewhere. And why would they? It's not as if clubs show much loyalty.
This whole discussion is utterly bizarre to me, like from an alternate universe where Anguissa holds all the cards with a gun to the club's head. Maybe there is indeed a lot more to this that only a select few here is aware of, although I doubt that is the case.
But we all obviously view things very differently.
But everything you have written and Matt10 has written can exist in the same universe, and even on the same planet, simply as statements that are not in conflict but simple alternative explanations about the 'big unknown' - Anguissa himself and what he feels most comfortable about. He got a good deal coming to FFC with exposure in the PL but was he ever really in demand or did our recruitment guy have his head truned by the same act that lead him to Seri? I don't have the facts but there appears to be some collaboration in the stories that lay claim to being evidence. There have been plemty of threads about this in the past because of the controversy involving both players for differing reasons.
There are facets of Anguissa that ooze quality but there are other facets that suggest deep flaws too.
I do agree that the last part of my comment was a bit over the top, and quite frankly a bit unnecessary as it didn't really add anything to my argument. I also agree in general on your observations of Anguissa, and I don't really think that I have stated otherwise (not that you implied it either, for the record).
What I find a bit strange sometimes is when people venture quite far from what is observable or reported. We all know that Anguissa played no (or, most recently very little) part in both of our recent Championship seasons. We don't know that this was fully, or even mostly, because Anguissa couldn't be bothered. Everyone is of course entitled to conjure their own reasons based on observations made however scarce they can possibly be, but personally I don't really see the meaning to ascribe certain personal qualities to someone when we seemingly have almost no idea about the reasons for behind what happened. BUt I understand that others put more trust in things that I don't give much credence to, which is fair enough.
One thing I just can't understand at all however, why blame a player under contract for playing when being selected by the manager. That makes no sense at all to me. If a player can waltz into a team then that is on management, not on the player. In my world. But again, views on that can seemingly also differ quite a lot.
Anyway, TM, this was not really aimed at you. I do concur with the posters above me that your post was a good one.
shall we move on?
Yes please.
That would be good.
Good idea. I guess a good start would be to stop posting in a thread dedicated to the subject. If anyone wishes to keep discussing, this would likely be a good place however.
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 19, 2022, 11:13:21 AM
Good idea. I guess a good start would be to stop posting in a thread dedicated to the subject. If anyone wishes to keep discussing, this would likely be a good place however.
I take your point S of the N and if posters wish to continue to debate on the subject of the headline, then why not, " free speech " providing it is civilised.
This is not North Korea or Russia or Saudi Arabia, well not yet anyway.
If others are fed up or find it boring then move on without a sound as they are free to do so in the same way others are free to continue to debate, as it is currently not mandatory to read every thread until the cows come home, well not yet anyway.
Thank you for your kind comments guys and I am happy that this thread has proven so controversial in a world where it seems we must all agree with the euphemistic so called 'group think/opinion' and never risk displeasing or upsetting those who believe they know 'the truth', and, because of that, leave us all without hope of ever finding or knowing 'the truth'. I don't subscribe to group think/opinion in any shape or form because it really can be very dangerous for society in the large. For my sins I have been called a tin hatter and flat earther on this forum when I am nowhere near close to being either, but that is social media for you. I put my tin hat on and play with my pancake Earth at least once a day just to remind myself what it feels like.
I agree with Woolly Mammoth about free speech; I absolutely endorse S-o-T- N's right to go over the top whenever he wants to; I will try not to lose my rag when comments 'ding my bell' and I'll admit to having had one such an inappropriate reaction retort moderated but not deleted because the Mods are the good guys even when they may appear not to be. S-o-T-N is absolutely correct about the manager being the culpable individual for starting a player who others do not rate, but I would suggest that Marco Silva's immediate predecessor had a habit of not following his own logic most of the time he was with us. I am also convincing myself that when players suddenly broke rank and sprung into unusual activity under his stewardship that was because they were fed up to the back teeth with insanely doing the same thing ad nauseum and getting nowhere fast. That thought makes it easier for me to understand B&B (but absolutely no evening meal) guy's MO but I could be very wrong about that in that the prognosis could be even worse.
As a final comment I would have loved to have seen both Anguissa and Seri being absolute success stories to the point where I could come on here and ask the question 'Why the hell are we selling them?' which is pretty normal stuff for FFC supporters. The profit really doesn't make up for the sadness of losing a player you liked watching and the worries about who arrives as 'the' replacement. I think there is a reason that didn't happen with Anguissa and Seri and that reason remains central to the theme in this thread IMO.
Reading BBC web page today it says anguish is staying at Napoli .
Looking on the brighter side of things, at least this will be the last Zambo-themed thread on here. Whether someone doesn't know ball and dislikes him, or whether you think he's a modern-day Patrick Vieira; I think we're all a tad bored of it now
Quote from: bobbo on May 19, 2022, 03:31:29 PM
Reading BBC web page today it says anguish is staying at Napoli .
Either the best joke or malapropism on this thread .Thank you
I can't help but feel we never saw the best from Anguissa. We needed him to be more like an Idrissa Gueye, but that is not who he is. Wasted time for both parties and certainly lots of wasted money for us. Wouldn't be surprised to see a top half PL team sign him next season for twice what we sold him for, its the modern way.
We now need to invest the money in a ball-winning defensive midfielder who isn't scarred by two relegations with us.
During his first underwhelming season I stood up for Frank and made many an argument why he should be given time, I could see his talent but he didn't impact the games enough. During his second spell there were times when people were ringing his praises and saying what a great player he was however he faded, rather like the whole team and we were again relegated.
Looking back on it all now I would sum him up by saying he has great ability but was generally not up for the fight. I will never forget Ruiz saying that he was a lover not a fighter, and there in lies the problem with Frank. A talented player who tended to play the game on his own terms, did not battle hard enough and became a bit of a luxury we certainly could not afford.
Quote from: StuinSalop on May 20, 2022, 10:48:27 AM
During his first underwhelming season I stood up for Frank and made many an argument why he should be given time, I could see his talent but he didn't impact the games enough. During his second spell there were times when people were ringing his praises and saying what a great player he was however he faded, rather like the whole team and we were again relegated.
Looking back on it all now I would sum him up by saying he has great ability but was generally not up for the fight. I will never forget Ruiz saying that he was a lover not a fighter, and there in lies the problem with Frank. A talented player who tended to play the game on his own terms, did not battle hard enough and became a bit of a luxury we certainly could not afford.
A well balanced analogy, fair weather players are never any use to anyone, not even to themselves.
Quote from: bobbo on May 19, 2022, 03:31:29 PM
Reading BBC web page today it says anguish is staying at Napoli .
So does that mean we get £15m into our transfer kitty and can seriously think of signing an Anguissa replacement.
Quote from: filham on May 20, 2022, 06:52:20 PM
Quote from: bobbo on May 19, 2022, 03:31:29 PM
Reading BBC web page today it says anguish is staying at Napoli .
So does that mean we get £15m into our transfer kitty and can seriously think of signing an Anguissa replacement.
Not necessarily, we have to deduct any remaining amortised transfer costs first (no idea how much, if anything, the accounts show is outstanding though).
Quote from: FreiBird on May 19, 2022, 03:40:22 AM
Can easily tell who knows ball by how they rate Anguissa.
Yer da's mate hates him because they want goals goals goals, and don't understand the game.
WRONG
I like a positive player a team player that knows how to go forward rather then backwards
He's GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE
Zambo has GONE
Music to my ears, now that's get a midfielder in that cares about the club and wants to drive the ball forward
Quote from: perry geyton on May 20, 2022, 10:25:55 PM
He's GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE
Zambo has GONE
Music to my ears, now that's get a midfielder in that cares about the club and wants to drive the ball forward
YOU DON'T KNOW BALL BROTHER
Quote from: perry geyton on May 20, 2022, 10:20:06 PM
Quote from: FreiBird on May 19, 2022, 03:40:22 AM
Can easily tell who knows ball by how they rate Anguissa.
Yer da's mate hates him because they want goals goals goals, and don't understand the game.
WRONG
I like a positive player a team player that knows how to go forward rather then backwards
hahah 16th most carries into the final 3rd in the prem. Yer da's mate strikes again.
Quote from: MartyFFC on May 20, 2022, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on May 20, 2022, 10:25:55 PM
He's GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE
Zambo has GONE
Music to my ears, now that's get a midfielder in that cares about the club and wants to drive the ball forward
YOU DON'T KNOW BALL BROTHER
I mean, you objectively don't.
Quote from: perry geyton on May 20, 2022, 10:25:55 PM
He's GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE
Zambo has GONE
Music to my ears, now that's get a midfielder in that cares about the club and wants to drive the ball forward
We have those players, Cairney, and play Seri further forward.
If there's anyone in the team who can pick a killer pass, it's Seri.
He shouldn't be playing a defensive role
Quote from: MartyFFC on May 20, 2022, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on May 20, 2022, 10:25:55 PM
He's GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE
Zambo has GONE
Music to my ears, now that's get a midfielder in that cares about the club and wants to drive the ball forward
YOU DON'T KNOW BALL BROTHER
I BEG TO DIFFER SUNSHINE
Now that the witch hunt is over perhaps now is the time to close this thread off.
Quote from: cookieg on May 21, 2022, 07:30:39 PM
Now that the witch hunt is over perhaps now is the time to close this thread off.
I agree, whatever people thought of Zambo this thread has long overrun it's course. Time to move on.
Quote from: cookieg on May 21, 2022, 07:30:39 PM
Now that the witch hunt is over perhaps now is the time to close this thread off.
Which hunt is that ?
Yes, I would also like to add that it is time to move on. I'll do it by adding another post to the thread. Hopefully people will then stop posting, because some don't find it interesting but still feel the need to visit.
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 22, 2022, 01:48:57 PM
Yes, I would also like to add that it is time to move on. I'll do it by adding another post to the thread. Hopefully people will then stop posting, because some don't find it interesting but still feel the need to visit.
\
Moving on on FOF ? good luck.
We will still be hearing about sess, parker and fabio on here for the next 15 years
The irony of people who keep clicking on and posting on this thread, saying that people should stop posting on this thread so that it dies...... 🙄
So is Anguissa any good then!?
Quote from: FFC1987 on May 22, 2022, 04:00:36 PM
So is Anguissa any good then!?
According to the uninpeachable Italian source, the Quotidiano Vaffanculo, we have made a bid for him. Currently held up because his agent died of shock when he recieved it.
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 22, 2022, 01:48:57 PM
Yes, I would also like to add that it is time to move on. I'll do it by adding another post to the thread. Hopefully people will then stop posting, because some don't find it interesting but still feel the need to visit.
Trending mate
What can I say
Straight back on top it goes
It's definitely not closing down just yet.
Here is a 'not so horrible feeling' I have ... I think FFC learned a lot about contract games and transfer tactics last summer and so this time around there is going to be a lot of misdirection and sleight of hand. An altogether more professional approach to doing business and hopefully a few real gems coming to help our PL cause.
It's on the official
He's gone
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Hip Hip Hoorah !!!
Finally we have some closure, and we can all move on and try to piece our lives back together
Sorry extending this thread but Fulham have announced he's gone for UNDISCLOSED fee.
Is that code for "We have accepted under 15 million" ???
Transfer fees usually are technically 'undisclosed', however it's being widely reported the fee was 17.3 million euros....
Will we ever win a game again without the 11th best dribbler in the premier league (2020/21)?
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on May 26, 2022, 09:22:11 PM
Will we ever win a game again without the 11th best dribbler in the premier league (2020/21)?
Not a chance. The way he used to glide passed players on the half way line and pass it sideways is irreplaceable.
Pretty disappointing player. All the best but £15m in the transfer pot and no loss to the squad whatsoever isn't too bad all things considered.
The Anguish -a thread. Hopefully never to be replicated in any form or manner. Amen
"Lovely, he's gone, now we need real players like Stefan Johansen and Marcus Bettinelli in, they'll do a job for us" yer da's mate.
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on May 26, 2022, 09:22:11 PM
Will we ever win a game again without the 11th best dribbler in the premier league (2020/21)?
Yep dribble around the half way line then eventually back to our goalkeeper
Just one more celebratory round of applause to finally put this post and Zambo Anguissa to bed.....
👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼
Quote from: perry geyton on May 28, 2022, 04:55:20 PM
Just one more celebratory round of applause to finally put this post and Zambo Anguissa to bed.....
👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼
12th best post this year
Zambo's left (or was it his right) Motspur Park & Craven Cottage.
But no one went to his leaving party (because they thought he had left already.) So he just dribbled his way out one last time.
Bye, bye Frunk. Auf Wiederstein baby.
Pleez Marco just sign players who want to play for Fulham, who actually care for the club (not just the moola) & want to give it all for us - let's move on
Quote from: AnotherVicHalomLoveChild on May 28, 2022, 08:08:09 PM
Zambo's left (or was it his right) Motspur Park & Craven Cottage.
But no one went to his leaving party (because they thought he had left already.) So he just dribbled his way out one last time.
Bye, bye Frunk. Auf Wiederstein baby.
Pleez Marco just sign players who want to play for Fulham, who actually care for the club (not just the moola) & want to give it all for us - let's move on
Quite right ......that he has left !
Unbelievable first half performance against Liverpool. Been absolutely superb.
Napoli look a great side
Can't believe he scored. Never looked like scoring for us.
Putting on a 10/10 performance against Liverpool in the Champions League here, Gammons celebrated him leaving the club hahaha.
Quote from: Kingjay81 on May 26, 2022, 09:50:10 PM
Quote from: Hugh Gentry on May 26, 2022, 09:22:11 PM
Will we ever win a game again without the 11th best dribbler in the premier league (2020/21)?
Not a chance. The way he used to glide passed players on the half way line and pass it sideways is irreplaceable.
Supreme "Ye Da's mate" ball knowledge on display here.
He put in countless terrible performances for us, most of which were completely devoid of effort. One half decent game doesn't make him a good premier league player.
All those football experts that said he wasn't any good
Who was under Parker...imagine him next to Palhinha in midfield!
Ah well it wasn't to be
Quote from: Pluto on September 07, 2022, 09:04:16 PM
He put in countless terrible performances for us, most of which were completely devoid of effort. One half decent game doesn't make him a good premier league player.
He's a great player who's played well at every top European club he's played for ...he just played under Parker here...Mitro was utter rubbish by the same metric and isnt a good Premier league player then...given he was completely undermotivated for us and crap that season too
Come off it...Anguissa plays well for anyone who knows how to use him.
Liverpool being given a right going over so far.
Big Frank the outstanding figure, strolling around like he owns the place.
Tackles and interceptions (if he happens to be in the vacinity).
Sumptous pass to send the bloke in for the second penalty.
Excellent goal (yes, really).
Liverpool defence just massacred for a 4th.
Quote from: jayffc on September 07, 2022, 09:04:20 PM
All those football experts that said he wasn't any good
Who was under Parker...imagine him next to Palhinha in midfield!
Ah well it wasn't to be
+1
Quote from: jayffc on September 07, 2022, 09:07:15 PM
Quote from: Pluto on September 07, 2022, 09:04:16 PM
He put in countless terrible performances for us, most of which were completely devoid of effort. One half decent game doesn't make him a good premier league player.
He's a great player who's played well at every top European club he's played for ...he just played under Parker here...Mitro was utter rubbish by the same metric and its a good Premier league player then...given he was completely undermotivated for us and crap that season too
Come off it...Anguissa plays well for anyone who knows how to use him.
No mate, we need propa players like Glenn Cockerill
Quote from: Pluto on September 07, 2022, 09:04:16 PM
He put in countless terrible performances for us, most of which were completely devoid of effort. One half decent game doesn't make him a good premier league player.
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He's even scored tonight. Never scored for us apart from a deflected goal at home to Everton IIRC
Quote from: jayffc on September 07, 2022, 09:04:20 PM
All those football experts that said he wasn't any good
Who was under Parker...imagine him next to Palhinha in midfield!
Ah well it wasn't to be
Fact is he wasn't any good for us.
Good to know that Scotty couldn't figure out how to use or motivate Mitrovic or integrate young star prospects into the first team, but at least he also had no ability to get the best out of Anguissa.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 07, 2022, 09:36:25 PM
Quote from: jayffc on September 07, 2022, 09:04:20 PM
All those football experts that said he wasn't any good
Who was under Parker...imagine him next to Palhinha in midfield!
Ah well it wasn't to be
Fact is he wasn't any good for us.
That's not entirely true. I thought he was quite good in 2020-21 until he got COVID.
Quote from: Hatch007 on September 07, 2022, 09:26:38 PM
He's even scored tonight. Never scored for us apart from a deflected goal at home to Everton IIRC
The deflected goal vs Everton was actually RLC's only goal at Fulham. Anguissa never scored for us.
Quote from: F(f)CUK on September 07, 2022, 08:59:29 PM
Can't believe he scored. Never looked like scoring for us.
I've watched most of Napoli's games this season. They use him all over the pitch, and much higher up than we did.
Anguissa impressive for Napoli vs Liverpool- nevertheless happier that we currently have Palhinho!
Quote from: FreiBird on September 07, 2022, 09:01:40 PM
Putting on a 10/10 performance against Liverpool in the Champions League here, Gammons celebrated him leaving the club hahaha.
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Thought Perry had been telling porkies again when I saw this thread reappear. :wine:
Zambo was absolutely outstanding tonight, I am glad he is doing so well and sad that we couldn't unlock what every other club he has played for has unlocked.
Anguissa is a talented player, however on the basis of their performances for Fulham much prefer Palhinho.
I suspect many will also agree with this?
Mitro
O'Riley
Anguissa
A lot of this is viewed through the prism of hindsight but Parker has a lot to answer for. Too many coincidences for it not to be down to him and cost Fulham criminally in various ways.
He was mismanaged and put in the wrong role for Fulham. He'd have been excellent in Reed's box to box role.
Anguissa is a big talent, but he was always meant for a different league than the PL and probably needs better players around him to shine. In Fulham I dont think his game fits. Fulham need players with higher workrates, not just technical ability.
Was a fan of his while at the club, but he never met the expectations. I think he is much better suited for his situation now and not the PL.
Quote from: Palhinha Colada on September 07, 2022, 09:37:50 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 07, 2022, 09:36:25 PM
Quote from: jayffc on September 07, 2022, 09:04:20 PM
All those football experts that said he wasn't any good
Who was under Parker...imagine him next to Palhinha in midfield!
Ah well it wasn't to be
Fact is he wasn't any good for us.
That's not entirely true. I thought he was quite good in 2020-21 until he got COVID.
We will never know why he was the laziest player ever to grace the Craven Cottage pitch (Parker or whatever), but one thing i am certain of is that COVID being the reason was nonsense. So, all in all, f*** him
Quote from: Cambridge Away on September 07, 2022, 10:55:16 PM
Quote from: Palhinha Colada on September 07, 2022, 09:37:50 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 07, 2022, 09:36:25 PM
Quote from: jayffc on September 07, 2022, 09:04:20 PM
All those football experts that said he wasn't any good
Who was under Parker...imagine him next to Palhinha in midfield!
Ah well it wasn't to be
Fact is he wasn't any good for us.
That's not entirely true. I thought he was quite good in 2020-21 until he got COVID.
We will never know why he was the laziest player ever to grace the Craven Cottage pitch (Parker or whatever), but one thing i am certain of is that COVID being the reason was nonsense. So, all in all, f*** him
Are you allowed to swear here?
Quote from: copthornemike on September 07, 2022, 09:58:15 PM
Anguissa is a talented player, however on the basis of their performances for Fulham much prefer Palhinho.
I suspect many will also agree with this?
I agree than Palinha is fantastic and his contributions are more important to a side in the position we are now, but they are very different players and would actually compliment each other brilliantly.
He's a great footballer and it's a damn shame we only got the best out of him in flashes.
A quality player misunderstood by many.
One of those players that divides options. Personally think he's quality and can only imagine how good he would be with Paulinha.
Quote from: Count Flapula on September 07, 2022, 10:02:35 PM
Mitro
O'Riley
Anguissa
A lot of this is viewed through the prism of hindsight but Parker has a lot to answer for. Too many coincidences for it not to be down to him and cost Fulham criminally in various ways.
You could also add carvalho onto that list, if parker had given him a bigger role then a near 200 mins when relegation was certain, then he'd have signed a new contract that year. Instead he went into his last year and we all regretfully know the rest.
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Quote from: Palhinha Colada on September 07, 2022, 09:37:50 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 07, 2022, 09:36:25 PM
Quote from: jayffc on September 07, 2022, 09:04:20 PM
All those football experts that said he wasn't any good
Who was under Parker...imagine him next to Palhinha in midfield!
Ah well it wasn't to be
Fact is he wasn't any good for us.
That's not entirely true. I thought he was quite good in 2020-21 until he got COVID.
We will never know why he was the laziest player ever to grace the Craven Cottage pitch (Parker or whatever), but one thing i am certain of is that COVID being the reason was nonsense. So, all in all, f*** him
Are you allowed to swear here?
I've always thought the ****'s were fine, like the bleeping out on TV before the watershed, tolerated but still frowned upon?
It is all in the mind.
Quote from: fancyfeet4 on September 07, 2022, 10:31:26 PM
Anguissa is a big talent, but he was always meant for a different league than the PL and probably needs better players around him to shine. In Fulham I dont think his game fits. Fulham need players with higher workrates, not just technical ability.
Was a fan of his while at the club, but he never met the expectations. I think he is much better suited for his situation now and not the PL.
Good post. I agree.
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A player with great qualities, but not a quality player
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on September 07, 2022, 09:55:51 PM
Quote from: FreiBird on September 07, 2022, 09:01:40 PM
Putting on a 10/10 performance against Liverpool in the Champions League here, Gammons celebrated him leaving the club hahaha.
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Thought Perry had been telling porkies again when I saw this thread reappear. :wine:
Zambo was absolutely outstanding tonight, I am glad he is doing so well and sad that we couldn't unlock what every other club he has played for has unlocked.
He was outstanding with the ball but had others around him doing the hard graft of winning the ball back, tackling and covering. Not sure we could ever accommodate that. Also never forget the Parker effect on players
Quote from: SG on September 08, 2022, 06:25:32 AM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on September 07, 2022, 09:55:51 PM
Quote from: FreiBird on September 07, 2022, 09:01:40 PM
Putting on a 10/10 performance against Liverpool in the Champions League here, Gammons celebrated him leaving the club hahaha.
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Thought Perry had been telling porkies again when I saw this thread reappear. :wine:
Zambo was absolutely outstanding tonight, I am glad he is doing so well and sad that we couldn't unlock what every other club he has played for has unlocked.
He was outstanding with the ball but had others around him doing the hard graft of winning the ball back, tackling and covering. Not sure we could ever accommodate that. Also never forget the Parker effect on players
Agree.
It highlights what a incredible job parker did, nearly nullified that nasty threat out of any of our dangerous players. And played to our maximum weaknesses.
He's gone, thank goodness, can't we move on and forget about him.
Quote from: Willham on September 07, 2022, 11:49:34 PM
Quote from: Count Flapula on September 07, 2022, 10:02:35 PM
Mitro
O'Riley
Anguissa
A lot of this is viewed through the prism of hindsight but Parker has a lot to answer for. Too many coincidences for it not to be down to him and cost Fulham criminally in various ways.
You could also add carvalho onto that list, if parker had given him a bigger role then a near 200 mins when relegation was certain, then he'd have signed a new contract that year. Instead he went into his last year and we all regretfully know the rest.
Add Cavaleiro too. Parker grossly misused him and destroyed his Fulham career.
Anguissa played his best matches for us against Man City.
Absolute monster of a player. Criminally utilised by sub standard coaches.
I mean, the clues are there guys. Villereal, Napoli & Senegal he is a beast.
Nothing to do with his attitude, the premiership, the players. Ranieri has been sacked 3 times since he left ffc and we then had him coached by a coach with less tactical acumen than Barry Fry (one for the kids).
The players we had in our last premier season, a spine of Joachim Andersen, Anguissa & Mitro.
One can only ream of a midfield of Palhinia & Zambo. Wow.
As well as the fact Silva mentioned he actually wanted to keep him too.
Another nail in Parkers managerial coffin.
Agree with others here, I thought he was excellent but something was missing. I think that was the misuse of his talent by coaches. He should have been allowed to play to his strengths.
To be fair to our maligned recruitment team, you could see why we paid big money for him.
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 08, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
When Anguissa and Fabio left, he specifically said they were players he wanted at the club. Based on performances like last night, its not hard to see why he would say that. The real shame is in the previous managers inabilities to get what Silva gets from the same players.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 08, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Fairly certain that's not correct, Anguissa wanted out as he didn't want to play in the Championship
Quote from: Jamie88 on September 08, 2022, 01:11:12 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 08, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Fairly certain that's not correct, Anguissa wanted out as he didn't want to play in the Championship
I'd argue it was a balance of the two. Needing to comply with FFP AND Anguissa wanting to play champions league football or at least be in a top elite league.
Some players are suited to other teams and other countries leagues,he just wasn't suited to ours.
He's not the first,and want be the last.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 08, 2022, 03:08:03 PM
Some players are suited to other teams and other countries leagues,he just wasn't suited to ours.
He's not the first,and want be the last.
Yeh were just not going to agree on this Im afraid...
If you judged 99% our teams performances in the prem during Anguissas time here you'd assume basically none of the players were suitable for this league.
And yet, under a different manager, even Ream has been good at this level... Mitro was also accused of not being able to do it at that level because he was utterly dreadful on the season under Parker. Looked way more undermotivated and unfit than Anguissa, completely underwhelmed... but its pretty clear the issue was the manager and his style of play. Its not that Mitro didnt have this talent in his locker all the time, he just needed a manager capable of unlocking his full potential.
As many here have stated well, Anguissa has performed very well in 2 other top leagues for big clubs and also at international level and in european competitions. And in plenty of moments for us, he showed that class, but ultimately he was playing alongside players and enduring tactics that didn't utilize him best.
Sorry but you won't convince me otherwise. Anguissa could absolutely do it at this level, as he did dominationg Liverpool this week... hes easily talented enough and Silva knew it which is why he would have wanted to keep him.
Ah well, In some ways I hope for his sake one day he does a Mitro and returns to the Prem and dominates, just a shame it likely wouldnt be with us as I really do think him and Palhinha in CDM would be brilliant to watch under Silva
Quote from: Palhinha Colada on September 07, 2022, 09:39:21 PM
The deflected goal vs Everton was actually RLC's only goal at Fulham. Anguissa never scored for us.
Ah yes my apologies I stand corrected.
Even more amazing that he scored against Liverpool
Think he hit nearly the inside of the post for that goal last night. With the best wish in the world he is not a natural finisher. He did have a great game though.
Quote from: Twig on September 08, 2022, 08:58:27 AM
Quote from: Willham on September 07, 2022, 11:49:34 PM
Quote from: Count Flapula on September 07, 2022, 10:02:35 PM
Mitro
O'Riley
Anguissa
A lot of this is viewed through the prism of hindsight but Parker has a lot to answer for. Too many coincidences for it not to be down to him and cost Fulham criminally in various ways.
You could also add carvalho onto that list, if parker had given him a bigger role then a near 200 mins when relegation was certain, then he'd have signed a new contract that year. Instead he went into his last year and we all regretfully know the rest.
Add Cavaleiro too. Parker grossly misused him and destroyed his Fulham career.
Parker playing him as a false 9 think he was as confused as the rest of us when given that role by nosy.
It's easy to blame Parker for everything but we signed Anguissa long before Parker arrived. Anguissa actually performed far worse under Jokanovic (and the couple of games he got under Ranieri). He was used in a role he was unfamiliar with and was very much a square peg in a round hole for us. What we desperately needed at the time was a replacement for KMac but TK and our recruitment team wasted an insane amount of money on Anguissa+Seri instead. Neither of them had the necessary skill set to play the lone DM 'KMac role' in Joka's team.
If anything, Anguissa performed far better in his last season for us under Parker. At least until he got covid.
He always looked like a quality player but was clearly played out of position in Joka's team. Signing him that season was a huge mistake by TK and our rectruitment team. We also overpaid for him and were financially crippled by this for several seasons. Parker had nothing to do with this.
Don't get me wrong, I was happy to get rid of Parker but let's at least get the facts straight.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 08, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Just no where remotely near being true. Silva said he wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave. Can you blame him? One of the best midfielders in the league and fans who don't know football wanted him out hahah.
Quote from: FreiBird on September 09, 2022, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 08, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Just no where remotely near being true. Silva said he wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave. Can you blame him? One of the best midfielders in the league and fans who don't know football wanted him out hahah.
One of the best midfielders in the league
Comical
Anguissa would have been the best midfielder in Champ if he had stayed .. if that's what he means
Anguissas performance against Liverpool (a premier league team) shows his potential that he could have been one of the top CMs in the Prem
I thought he was good when he played for us too, I suspect if he was an academy player people would have rated him more
Quote from: @jolslover on September 09, 2022, 04:55:08 PM
Anguissa would have been the best midfielder in Champ if he had stayed .. if that's what he means
Anguissas performance against Liverpool (a premier league team) shows his potential that he could have been one of the top CMs in the Prem
I thought he was good when he played for us too, I suspect if he was an academy player people would have rated him more
Love Anguissa. But this is very hyperbolic. He's good, but he isn't great. There's some great CM's that when all is said and done will be talked about as greats in the Prem. Anguissa won't be in that conservation and I doubt he'll achieve much more in terms of accolades in foreign leagues.
Anguissa was anonymous in most games for us .
Looked like his heart was never in playing for Fulham
Quote from: ffcne on September 09, 2022, 05:24:41 PM
Anguissa was anonymous in most games for us .
Looked like his heart was never in playing for Fulham
Perfectly correct
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on September 07, 2022, 09:55:51 PM
Quote from: FreiBird on September 07, 2022, 09:01:40 PM
Putting on a 10/10 performance against Liverpool in the Champions League here, Gammons celebrated him leaving the club hahaha.
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Thought Perry had been telling porkies again when I saw this thread reappear. :wine:
Zambo was absolutely outstanding tonight, I am glad he is doing so well and sad that we couldn't unlock what every other club he has played for has unlocked.
Gammons ?? What's that all about.
Anguissa playing well for Napoli is about as important as what Scott Parker is doing at the moment, neither concern Fulham in any way.
Quote from: Pluto on September 07, 2022, 09:04:16 PM
He put in countless terrible performances for us, most of which were completely devoid of effort. One half decent game doesn't make him a good premier league player.
Glad to see the back of him, i expect the dressing room is also glad he is no longer with us.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 09, 2022, 05:29:51 PM
Quote from: ffcne on September 09, 2022, 05:24:41 PM
Anguissa was anonymous in most games for us .
Looked like his heart was never in playing for Fulham
Perfectly correct
Let's not forget who's style and tactics he was trying to play.
Quote from: perry geyton on September 09, 2022, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: FreiBird on September 09, 2022, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 08, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Just no where remotely near being true. Silva said he wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave. Can you blame him? One of the best midfielders in the league and fans who don't know football wanted him out hahah.
One of the best midfielders in the league
Comical
Sadly can't make you understand football but it's nice you watch it for the pretty jerseys or whatever.
Quote from: Stevieboy on September 09, 2022, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on September 07, 2022, 09:55:51 PM
Quote from: FreiBird on September 07, 2022, 09:01:40 PM
Putting on a 10/10 performance against Liverpool in the Champions League here, Gammons celebrated him leaving the club hahaha.
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Thought Perry had been telling porkies again when I saw this thread reappear. :wine:
Zambo was absolutely outstanding tonight, I am glad he is doing so well and sad that we couldn't unlock what every other club he has played for has unlocked.
Gammons ?? What's that all about.
Anguissa playing well for Napoli is about as important as what Scott Parker is doing at the moment, neither concern Fulham in any way.
Porkies"hillarious !!!
I just mentioned my Friend Alfredo is from Napoli and says Zambo's hit & miss
He thinks it's a bit far fetched
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Quote from: FreiBird on September 09, 2022, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 08, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Just no where remotely near being true. Silva said he wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave. Can you blame him? One of the best midfielders in the league and fans who don't know football wanted him out hahah.
One of the best midfielders in the league
Comical
Sadly can't make you understand football but it's nice you watch it for the pretty jerseys or whatever.
OK mr know it all
I'd take Joao all day long over him, plays for the badge and doesn't think he's supreme to others
Oh yeah and he can score
But what do I know I just like pretty jerseys
Quote from: FreiBird on September 09, 2022, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 08, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Just no where remotely near being true. Silva said he wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave. Can you blame him? One of the best midfielders in the league and fans who don't know football wanted him out hahah.
Whenever someone doesn't agree wit your views you slag them off; "fans who don't know football...". Why on earth can't you accept that footbsll is a game that generates differing opinions and many of them can have a degree of legitimacy.
As to Zambo being the one of the best midfielders ine the league, well I personlly would disagree with that assertion as he never showed he could produce at that level in the Premier League and I tend to go with the evidence in fron of me. Without hard evidence your assertion becomes just another opinion, nothing more.
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Quote from: FreiBird on September 09, 2022, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 08, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Just no where remotely near being true. Silva said he wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave. Can you blame him? One of the best midfielders in the league and fans who don't know football wanted him out hahah.
One of the best midfielders in the league
Comical
Sadly can't make you understand football but it's nice you watch it for the pretty jerseys or whatever.
You are absolutely right Firebird. For Anguissa read the late great Frank Large who managed to bang in plenty of goals for whatever club he played for except Fulham. An extraordinary waste of talent.
Quote from: Colton F.C. on September 09, 2022, 10:33:31 PM
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Quote from: FreiBird on September 09, 2022, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 08, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Just no where remotely near being true. Silva said he wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave. Can you blame him? One of the best midfielders in the league and fans who don't know football wanted him out hahah.
One of the best midfielders in the league
Comical
Sadly can't make you understand football but it's nice you watch it for the pretty jerseys or whatever.
You are absolutely right Firebird. For Anguissa read the late great Frank Large who managed to bang in plenty of goals for whatever club he played for except Fulham. An extraordinary waste of talent.
Only thing he's ever Been right about is putting his left shoe on his left foot
Frank Large was useless for every club he played for except Leicester, he was a clumsy lump with very little ball control.
Quote from: gang on September 11, 2022, 12:15:17 AM
Frank Large was useless for every club he played for except Leicester, he was a clumsy lump with very little ball control.
He always gave his all for the club, I remember, but was very unfortunate to be the replacement for Allan Clarke, whom fans were unhappy about being sold.
Clarke had scored freely, but Big Frank, hardly scored at all - did he even score a goal? but you couldn't fault his attitude. Whereas many question Anguissa's attitude.
Anguissa certainly had potential, a bit like RLC who played alongside him, but was never very effective for us, for whatever reasons, like RLC!
Quote from: RaySmith on September 11, 2022, 05:29:42 AM
Quote from: gang on September 11, 2022, 12:15:17 AM
Frank Large was useless for every club he played for except Leicester, he was a clumsy lump with very little ball control.
He always gave his all for the club, I remember, but was very unfortunate to be the replacement for Allan Clarke, whom fans were unhappy about being sold.
Clarke had scored freely, but Big Frank, hardly scored at all - did he even score a goal? but you couldn't fault his attitude. Whereas many question Anguissa's attitude.
Anguissa certainly had potential, a bit like RLC who played alongside him, but was never very effective for us, for whatever reasons, like RLC!
I can remember Frank Large scored a goal at Crystal Palace, i think it was sometime in the early 70s.
He and Brian Dear put Fulham 2 0 up at half time, but we lost 3 2. That was one of the last games of the season.
I think we got relegated that year but correct me if i am wrong as the memory fades.
Quote from: @jolslover on September 09, 2022, 04:55:08 PM
Anguissa would have been the best midfielder in Champ if he had stayed .. if that's what he means
Anguissas performance against Liverpool (a premier league team) shows his potential that he could have been one of the top CMs in the Prem
I thought he was good when he played for us too, I suspect if he was an academy player people would have rated him more
If he'd been an academy player you'd have said he wasn't good enough.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 11, 2022, 07:49:04 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on September 11, 2022, 05:29:42 AM
Quote from: gang on September 11, 2022, 12:15:17 AM
Frank Large was useless for every club he played for except Leicester, he was a clumsy lump with very little ball control.
He always gave his all for the club, I remember, but was very unfortunate to be the replacement for Allan Clarke, whom fans were unhappy about being sold.
Clarke had scored freely, but Big Frank, hardly scored at all - did he even score a goal? but you couldn't fault his attitude. Whereas many question Anguissa's attitude.
Anguissa certainly had potential, a bit like RLC who played alongside him, but was never very effective for us, for whatever reasons, like RLC!
I can remember Frank Large scored a goal at Crystal Palace, i think it was sometime in the early 70s.
He and Brian Dear put Fulham 2 0 up at half time, but we lost 3 2. That was one of the last games of the season.
I think we got relegated that year but correct me if i am wrong as the memory fades.
1968/1969 season. We were relegated from the old second to the third division. As a matter of interest Woolly were you the big geezer who shouted, 'dear oh dear' when he missed an open goal eliciting a V's up from good old Brian.
Probably, although i may not have been quite as polite as that.
Quote from: Penfold on September 11, 2022, 09:44:56 AM
Quote from: @jolslover on September 09, 2022, 04:55:08 PM
Anguissa would have been the best midfielder in Champ if he had stayed .. if that's what he means
Anguissas performance against Liverpool (a premier league team) shows his potential that he could have been one of the top CMs in the Prem
I thought he was good when he played for us too, I suspect if he was an academy player people would have rated him more
If he'd been an academy player you'd have said he wasn't good enough.
Nail on head there Penfold.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 11, 2022, 07:49:04 AM
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Frank Large was useless for every club he played for except Leicester, he was a clumsy lump with very little ball control.
He always gave his all for the club, I remember, but was very unfortunate to be the replacement for Allan Clarke, whom fans were unhappy about being sold.
Clarke had scored freely, but Big Frank, hardly scored at all - did he even score a goal? but you couldn't fault his attitude. Whereas many question Anguissa's attitude.
Anguissa certainly had potential, a bit like RLC who played alongside him, but was never very effective for us, for whatever reasons, like RLC!
I can remember Frank Large scored a goal at Crystal Palace, i think it was sometime in the early 70s.
He and Brian Dear put Fulham 2 0 up at half time, but we lost 3 2. That was one of the last games of the season.
I think we got relegated that year but correct me if i am wrong as the memory fades.
What do Woolly Mammoths eat?
A Dinosaur Sandwich.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 11, 2022, 11:06:06 PM
Quote from: Penfold on September 11, 2022, 09:44:56 AM
Quote from: @jolslover on September 09, 2022, 04:55:08 PM
Anguissa would have been the best midfielder in Champ if he had stayed .. if that's what he means
Anguissas performance against Liverpool (a premier league team) shows his potential that he could have been one of the top CMs in the Prem
I thought he was good when he played for us too, I suspect if he was an academy player people would have rated him more
If he'd been an academy player you'd have said he wasn't good enough.
Nail on head there Penfold.
No I wouldn't have - MOTM performances against City and Liverpool in his first season in English football, was our best player untill Jan in the parker season too
There is no doubt in my mind Anguissa is a goodish player using the crude metrics we have access to. The story goes, whether truth or lie, that the agent who pushed Seri Khan Jnr's way when the MTM talks seemed stuck, also pushed Anguissa his way. Neither player was, IMO, suitable for the way a Jokanovic team would be coached to play. The discord between DoF and his head coach did what would prove to be the final damage. Good players are good players but you have to know how your coaches work and what kind of player they need in order to capture good players to meet that need rather than good players but bad matches for what is needed.
It is another reason why the word 'team' doesn't just apply to players - it requires everyone involved to be committed to it. Perhaps in a parallel universe somewhere it did work but for planet Earth from 2018 it wasn't that clever for most of the time and was a bad time for all concerned - later Parker promotion included given what followed and what was going on behind the scenes even as we won at Wembley.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 11, 2022, 11:06:06 PM
Quote from: Penfold on September 11, 2022, 09:44:56 AM
Quote from: @jolslover on September 09, 2022, 04:55:08 PM
Anguissa would have been the best midfielder in Champ if he had stayed .. if that's what he means
Anguissas performance against Liverpool (a premier league team) shows his potential that he could have been one of the top CMs in the Prem
I thought he was good when he played for us too, I suspect if he was an academy player people would have rated him more
If he'd been an academy player you'd have said he wasn't good enough.
Nail on head there Penfold.
Anguissa is not the kind of character i would want at Fulham, he has shown that he could not careless both on the field and off of it.
I wonder how many full games of 90 minutes he actually got round to playing. He seemed to just play for himself and was either a sub or if he did start was subbed more often than not.
I feel that his application was poor and he turned out to be yet another very expensive flop.
Quote from: The Old Count on September 11, 2022, 01:59:39 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 11, 2022, 07:49:04 AM
Quote from: RaySmith on September 11, 2022, 05:29:42 AM
Quote from: gang on September 11, 2022, 12:15:17 AM
Frank Large was useless for every club he played for except Leicester, he was a clumsy lump with very little ball control.
He always gave his all for the club, I remember, but was very unfortunate to be the replacement for Allan Clarke, whom fans were unhappy about being sold.
Clarke had scored freely, but Big Frank, hardly scored at all - did he even score a goal? but you couldn't fault his attitude. Whereas many question Anguissa's attitude.
Anguissa certainly had potential, a bit like RLC who played alongside him, but was never very effective for us, for whatever reasons, like RLC!
I can remember Frank Large scored a goal at Crystal Palace, i think it was sometime in the early 70s.
He and Brian Dear put Fulham 2 0 up at half time, but we lost 3 2. That was one of the last games of the season.
I think we got relegated that year but correct me if i am wrong as the memory fades.
1968/1969 season. We were relegated from the old second to the third division. As a matter of interest Woolly were you the big geezer who shouted, 'dear oh dear' when he missed an open goal eliciting a V's up from good old Brian.
I have just joined a Gym, and i had to have an induction and i noticed a mature guy who came in wearing a black warm up top with Woolly Mammoth on the back.
He took it off to work out wearing an athletic style vest.
He was massive with muscles on his muscles and kind of fits the description, and how many guys are there walking around with WM written on the back of their top, there cannot be that many.
If its the same guy i hope he wont mind me mentioning it.
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Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Just no where remotely near being true. Silva said he wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave. Can you blame him? One of the best midfielders in the league and fans who don't know football wanted him out hahah.
One of the best midfielders in the league
Comical
Sadly can't make you understand football but it's nice you watch it for the pretty jerseys or whatever.
OK mr know it all
I'd take Joao all day long over him, plays for the badge and doesn't think he's supreme to others
Oh yeah and he can score
But what do I know I just like pretty jerseys
The fact you think Palhinha is someone who would play instead of Anguissa instead of alongside says everything we need to know hahahah.
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Putting on a 10/10 performance against Liverpool in the Champions League here, Gammons celebrated him leaving the club hahaha.
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Thought Perry had been telling porkies again when I saw this thread reappear. :wine:
Zambo was absolutely outstanding tonight, I am glad he is doing so well and sad that we couldn't unlock what every other club he has played for has unlocked.
He was outstanding with the ball but had others around him doing the hard graft of winning the ball back, tackling and covering. Not sure we could ever accommodate that. Also never forget the Parker effect on players
Anguissa made the most tackles of any Fulham player that season and had the 7th most tackles in the Prem.
Anguissa made the most interceptions of any Fulham player that season and had the 10th most interceptions in the Prem.
Anguissa won the ball back more than any Fulham player that season and had the 20th most successful pressures in the Prem.
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Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 08, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Just no where remotely near being true. Silva said he wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave. Can you blame him? One of the best midfielders in the league and fans who don't know football wanted him out hahah.
One of the best midfielders in the league
Comical
Sadly can't make you understand football but it's nice you watch it for the pretty jerseys or whatever.
OK mr know it all
I'd take Joao all day long over him, plays for the badge and doesn't think he's supreme to others
Oh yeah and he can score
But what do I know I just like pretty jerseys
The fact you think Palhinha is someone who would play instead of Anguissa instead of alongside says everything we need to know hahahah.
Actually No I'd play him alongside Reed as we are
Anguissa would be watching from the cottage with a pair of binoculars
Hahaha
Hahahaha
Careful, Freibird...
That sort of fact-based thinking could ruin this whole thread...
:-)
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Quote from: perry geyton on September 09, 2022, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: FreiBird on September 09, 2022, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 08, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Just no where remotely near being true. Silva said he wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave. Can you blame him? One of the best midfielders in the league and fans who don't know football wanted him out hahah.
One of the best midfielders in the league
Comical
Sadly can't make you understand football but it's nice you watch it for the pretty jerseys or whatever.
OK mr know it all
I'd take Joao all day long over him, plays for the badge and doesn't think he's supreme to others
Oh yeah and he can score
But what do I know I just like pretty jerseys
The fact you think Palhinha is someone who would play instead of Anguissa instead of alongside says everything we need to know hahahah.
Palhinha a nsiled on starter for me even if we had Zambo to grace us with his presence. Would he get a start in place of Reed? No. Would he get a start in place of Perfeira? No. Would he make the bench? Not in place of Cairney so who would he displace?
All of the claims of his excellence are based around performances whilst not wearing a Fulham shirt (with the exception of one match v Liverpool). I have always judged our players by their performances for FFC and only FFC. On that basis he weren't much cop.
Quote from: Twig on September 12, 2022, 04:30:57 PM
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Quote from: FreiBird on September 09, 2022, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 08, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Just no where remotely near being true. Silva said he wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave. Can you blame him? One of the best midfielders in the league and fans who don't know football wanted him out hahah.
One of the best midfielders in the league
Comical
Sadly can't make you understand football but it's nice you watch it for the pretty jerseys or whatever.
OK mr know it all
I'd take Joao all day long over him, plays for the badge and doesn't think he's supreme to others
Oh yeah and he can score
But what do I know I just like pretty jerseys
The fact you think Palhinha is someone who would play instead of Anguissa instead of alongside says everything we need to know hahahah.
Palhinha a nsiled on starter for me even if we had Zambo to grace us with his presence. Would he get a start in place of Reed? No. Would he get a start in place of Perfeira? No. Would he make the bench? Not in place of Cairney so who would he displace?
All of the claims of his excellence are based around performances whilst not wearing a Fulham shirt (with the exception of one match v Liverpool). I have always judged our players by their performances for FFC and only FFC. On that basis he weren't much cop.
He would play instead of Reed as he is lightyears ahead of him. No one said he would play ahead of Palhinha because they're two completely different positions. Then you go on to reference Pereira and Cairney who are again, two completely different positions.
No, I just listed metrics that show he was one of the top performers in the league while with Fulham in 20/21. Anyone who watched him could tell his level is top 6 and we had him, used him terribly and he still did everything brilliantly except score (which isn't what he's asked to do).
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 12, 2022, 04:19:20 PM
Careful, Freibird...
That sort of fact-based thinking could ruin this whole thread...
:-)
No facts allowed, just Perry Geytons mythical descriptions of how he played. So strange how a team like Napoli (sitting unbeaten and top of Serie A btw) have never come in for Harrison Reed who is a better player according to the "experts" here hahaha.
Quote from: FreiBird on September 12, 2022, 04:56:42 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 12, 2022, 04:30:57 PM
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Quote from: perry geyton on September 09, 2022, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: FreiBird on September 09, 2022, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on September 08, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 12, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
Silva know best
Silva wanted Anguiissa out on loan to free up for Wilson. I am sure Silva likes Anguissa but Silva was happy with Seri, Reed, Cairney and Chalobah that were cheaper to keep.
Just no where remotely near being true. Silva said he wanted to keep him but he wanted to leave. Can you blame him? One of the best midfielders in the league and fans who don't know football wanted him out hahah.
One of the best midfielders in the league
Comical
Sadly can't make you understand football but it's nice you watch it for the pretty jerseys or whatever.
OK mr know it all
I'd take Joao all day long over him, plays for the badge and doesn't think he's supreme to others
Oh yeah and he can score
But what do I know I just like pretty jerseys
The fact you think Palhinha is someone who would play instead of Anguissa instead of alongside says everything we need to know hahahah.
Palhinha a nsiled on starter for me even if we had Zambo to grace us with his presence. Would he get a start in place of Reed? No. Would he get a start in place of Perfeira? No. Would he make the bench? Not in place of Cairney so who would he displace?
All of the claims of his excellence are based around performances whilst not wearing a Fulham shirt (with the exception of one match v Liverpool). I have always judged our players by their performances for FFC and only FFC. On that basis he weren't much cop.
He would play instead of Reed as he is lightyears ahead of him. No one said he would play ahead of Palhinha because they're two completely different positions. Then you go on to reference Pereira and Cairney who are again, two completely different positions.
No, I just listed metrics that show he was one of the top performers in the league while with Fulham in 20/21. Anyone who watched him could tell his level is top 6 and we had him, used him terribly and he still did everything brilliantly except score (which isn't what he's asked to do).
It is also worth mentioning that in the top 5 leagues in Europe, Anguissa currently is top 10 across all players for winning the ball back in the opposition half showing that he absolutely can do what Reed does (with better technical skill) and probably just needed a half decent system and coach to get the best out of him which we never had in his two full seasons with us
Quote from: FreiBird on September 12, 2022, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 12, 2022, 04:19:20 PM
Careful, Freibird...
That sort of fact-based thinking could ruin this whole thread...
:-)
No facts allowed, just Perry Geytons mythical descriptions of how he played. So strange how a team like Napoli (sitting unbeaten and top of Serie A btw) have never come in for Harrison Reed who is a better player according to the "experts" here hahaha.
So Napoli haven't put a bid in for Harrison so that clearly means Harrison is rubbish then ?
You just embarrassed yourself Freibird with that comment...
Take a bow !!
Surely time to lock this now? Thread is just Freibird banging on about how much he loves Anguissa then slating others' opinions when we point out that, actually, he was a bit rubbish.
Actually it's more like his facts versus the rubbish opinions of others...
:-)
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 13, 2022, 03:55:17 AM
Actually it's more like his facts versus the rubbish opinions of others...
:-)
It's not though is it. He said he would be one of if not the best CM in the Prem. He wouldn't be. He's good. But no where near that level currently. Love Anguissa and like Silva, was gutted we sold him but let's not pretend the debate has been completely one sided.
Quote from: perry geyton on September 13, 2022, 02:33:23 AM
Quote from: FreiBird on September 12, 2022, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 12, 2022, 04:19:20 PM
Careful, Freibird...
That sort of fact-based thinking could ruin this whole thread...
:-)
No facts allowed, just Perry Geytons mythical descriptions of how he played. So strange how a team like Napoli (sitting unbeaten and top of Serie A btw) have never come in for Harrison Reed who is a better player according to the "experts" here hahaha.
So Napoli haven't put a bid in for Harrison so that clearly means Harrison is rubbish then ?
You just embarrassed yourself Freibird with that comment...
Take a bow !!
I don't mind that Freibird has his opinions, that's his point of view and he's entitled. I don't agree because we are clearly different, I watch football and form my opinion accordingly whereas he starts from the stats and forms his views that way.
What I object to is that in almost every post he can't resist an insult or a dig at those whose opinions differ from his. That's so juvenile and has me wondering if he's just a young kid?
Quote from: Pluto on September 13, 2022, 03:04:10 AM
Surely time to lock this now? Thread is just Freibird banging on about how much he loves Anguissa then slating others' opinions when we point out that, actually, he was a bit rubbish.
Precisely.
15 pages on a player that is no longer with us.
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 13, 2022, 03:55:17 AM
Actually it's more like his facts versus the rubbish opinions of others...
:-)
Agree
Quote from: @jolslover on September 13, 2022, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 13, 2022, 03:55:17 AM
Actually it's more like his facts versus the rubbish opinions of others...
:-)
Agree
"Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable." (Mark Twain)
Liittle did Quetelet know what he started all those centuries ago.
Quote from: @jolslover on September 13, 2022, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 13, 2022, 03:55:17 AM
Actually it's more like his facts versus the rubbish opinions of others...
:-)
Agree
FACT
Anguissa didn't give a toss about our club and couldn't wait to leave, put in a load of average performances and never played for the badge
Harrison Reed gives a 1000% every time he steps onto the pitch
I know who I'd rather have in a Fulham shirt
Quote from: perry geyton on September 13, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on September 13, 2022, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 13, 2022, 03:55:17 AM
Actually it's more like his facts versus the rubbish opinions of others...
:-)
Agree
FACT
Anguissa didn't give a toss about our club and couldn't wait to leave, put in a load of average performances and never played for the badge
Harrison Reed gives a 1000% every time he steps onto the pitch
I know who I'd rather have in a Fulham shirt
Is it FACT? Did he tell you that, or are you making it up.
Quote from: alfie on September 13, 2022, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on September 13, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on September 13, 2022, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 13, 2022, 03:55:17 AM
Actually it's more like his facts versus the rubbish opinions of others...
:-)
Agree
FACT
Anguissa didn't give a toss about our club and couldn't wait to leave, put in a load of average performances and never played for the badge
Harrison Reed gives a 1000% every time he steps onto the pitch
I know who I'd rather have in a Fulham shirt
Is it FACT? Did he tell you that, or are you making it up.
I think it's pretty obvious he didn't want to play for the club in the championship and even with Silva as manager, didn't want to stay at the club either based on the fact Silva said he wanted to keep him and yet we sold him. Not going as far as PG but that's fairly obvious to me by the facts laid bare.
Quote from: alfie on September 13, 2022, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on September 13, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on September 13, 2022, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 13, 2022, 03:55:17 AM
Actually it's more like his facts versus the rubbish opinions of others...
:-)
Agree
FACT
Anguissa didn't give a toss about our club and couldn't wait to leave, put in a load of average performances and never played for the badge
Harrison Reed gives a 1000% every time he steps onto the pitch
I know who I'd rather have in a Fulham shirt
Is it FACT? Did he tell you that, or are you making it up.
Judging it upon what I witnessed with my own eyes
Performances, body language etc.
Parker may well of played a part in that but previously he was anonymous
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 13, 2022, 03:55:17 AM
Actually it's more like his facts versus the rubbish opinions of others...
:-)
Not really. We had Anguissa for a few seasons, and he did absolutely nothing to stand out. A box to box midfielder who was too lightweight for the English leagues, rarely found himself in the box and literally never scored. Considered himself too good for the Championship (despite stinking up the top division) and then engineered a move twice. Clearly Silva didn't see enough in him to keep him around and I don't blame him.
Yet we have one or two posters insisting he was the bees knees just because he looked half decent in a very strong Napoli team. He hasn't played for us for a year. Time to get over it.
Quote from: Twig on September 13, 2022, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: perry geyton on September 13, 2022, 02:33:23 AM
Quote from: FreiBird on September 12, 2022, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 12, 2022, 04:19:20 PM
Careful, Freibird...
That sort of fact-based thinking could ruin this whole thread...
:-)
No facts allowed, just Perry Geytons mythical descriptions of how he played. So strange how a team like Napoli (sitting unbeaten and top of Serie A btw) have never come in for Harrison Reed who is a better player according to the "experts" here hahaha.
So Napoli haven't put a bid in for Harrison so that clearly means Harrison is rubbish then ?
You just embarrassed yourself Freibird with that comment...
Take a bow !!
I don't mind that Freibird has his opinions, that's his point of view and he's entitled. I don't agree because we are clearly different, I watch football and form my opinion accordingly whereas he starts from the stats and forms his views that way.
What I object to is that in almost every post he can't resist an insult or a dig at those whose opinions differ from his. That's so juvenile and has me wondering if he's just a young kid?
He signed up a month ago and all of his posts are about how much he loves Anguissa, so I'm pretty he's either the man himself or his wife at this point :005:
Quote from: Pluto on September 13, 2022, 06:05:04 PM
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 13, 2022, 03:55:17 AM
Actually it's more like his facts versus the rubbish opinions of others...
:-)
Not really. We had Anguissa for a few seasons, and he did absolutely nothing to stand out. A box to box midfielder who was too lightweight for the English leagues, rarely found himself in the box and literally never scored. Considered himself too good for the Championship (despite stinking up the top division) and then engineered a move twice. Clearly Silva didn't see enough in him to keep him around and I don't blame him.
Yet we have one or two posters insisting he was the bees knees just because he looked half decent in a very strong Napoli team. He hasn't played for us for a year. Time to get over it.
Actually, it's you on this occasion who is just wrong. 'Clearly Silva didn't see enough in him to keep him around and I don't blame him.' Is a complete lie. Silva explicitly said upon him and Fabio leaving, they were two players who didn't want to see leave the club.
I am glad Anguissa has moved on, and that's a fact.
Quote from: Pluto on September 13, 2022, 06:05:04 PM
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 13, 2022, 03:55:17 AM
Actually it's more like his facts versus the rubbish opinions of others...
:-)
Not really. We had Anguissa for a few seasons, and he did absolutely nothing to stand out. A box to box midfielder who was too lightweight for the English leagues, rarely found himself in the box and literally never scored. Considered himself too good for the Championship (despite and then engineered a move twice. Clearly Silva didn't see enough in him to keep him around and I don't blame him.
Yet we have one or two posters insisting he was the bees knees just because he looked half decent in a very strong Napoli team. He hasn't played for us for a year. Time to get over it.
Silva desperately wanted to keep him. Best player in the team top of Serie A who just destroyed Liverpool in the Champions League. Please list the games in which he was "stinking up the top division".
I love how Gammons ignore statistics because they hate facts and not being able to tell their equally "bright" mates "Anguissa is rubbish mate, we need propa players like Darren Beckford"
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 13, 2022, 03:55:17 AM
Actually it's more like his facts versus the rubbish opinions of others...
:-)
Exactly, Football is great in that people who have absolutely no idea in what they're watching can enjoy the atmosphere and songs, but it's when they actually try to talk about football, things get very worrying.
Quote from: FreiBird on September 13, 2022, 07:24:07 PM
Quote from: Pluto on September 13, 2022, 06:05:04 PM
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 13, 2022, 03:55:17 AM
Actually it's more like his facts versus the rubbish opinions of others...
:-)
Not really. We had Anguissa for a few seasons, and he did absolutely nothing to stand out. A box to box midfielder who was too lightweight for the English leagues, rarely found himself in the box and literally never scored. Considered himself too good for the Championship (despite and then engineered a move twice. Clearly Silva didn't see enough in him to keep him around and I don't blame him.
Yet we have one or two posters insisting he was the bees knees just because he looked half decent in a very strong Napoli team. He hasn't played for us for a year. Time to get over it.
Silva desperately wanted to keep him. Best player in the team top of Serie A who just destroyed Liverpool in the Champions League. Please list the games in which he was "stinking up the top division".
I love how Gammons ignore statistics because they hate facts and not being able to tell their equally "bright" mates "Anguissa is rubbish mate, we need propa players like Darren Beckford"
Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na STATSMAN !!!!
Quote from: Pluto on September 13, 2022, 06:08:24 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 13, 2022, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: perry geyton on September 13, 2022, 02:33:23 AM
Quote from: FreiBird on September 12, 2022, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 12, 2022, 04:19:20 PM
Careful, Freibird...
That sort of fact-based thinking could ruin this whole thread...
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No facts allowed, just Perry Geytons mythical descriptions of how he played. So strange how a team like Napoli (sitting unbeaten and top of Serie A btw) have never come in for Harrison Reed who is a better player according to the "experts" here hahaha.
So Napoli haven't put a bid in for Harrison so that clearly means Harrison is rubbish then ?
You just embarrassed yourself Freibird with that comment...
Take a bow !!
I don't mind that Freibird has his opinions, that's his point of view and he's entitled. I don't agree because we are clearly different, I watch football and form my opinion accordingly whereas he starts from the stats and forms his views that way.
What I object to is that in almost every post he can't resist an insult or a dig at those whose opinions differ from his. That's so juvenile and has me wondering if he's just a young kid?
He signed up a month ago and all of his posts are about how much he loves Anguissa, so I'm pretty he's either the man himself or his wife at this point :005:
Or his Agent
Quote from: perry geyton on September 13, 2022, 07:33:38 PM
Quote from: Pluto on September 13, 2022, 06:08:24 PM
Quote from: Twig on September 13, 2022, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: perry geyton on September 13, 2022, 02:33:23 AM
Quote from: FreiBird on September 12, 2022, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 12, 2022, 04:19:20 PM
Careful, Freibird...
That sort of fact-based thinking could ruin this whole thread...
:-)
No facts allowed, just Perry Geytons mythical descriptions of how he played. So strange how a team like Napoli (sitting unbeaten and top of Serie A btw) have never come in for Harrison Reed who is a better player according to the "experts" here hahaha.
So Napoli haven't put a bid in for Harrison so that clearly means Harrison is rubbish then ?
You just embarrassed yourself Freibird with that comment...
Take a bow !!
I don't mind that Freibird has his opinions, that's his point of view and he's entitled. I don't agree because we are clearly different, I watch football and form my opinion accordingly whereas he starts from the stats and forms his views that way.
What I object to is that in almost every post he can't resist an insult or a dig at those whose opinions differ from his. That's so juvenile and has me wondering if he's just a young kid?
He signed up a month ago and all of his posts are about how much he loves Anguissa, so I'm pretty he's either the man himself or his wife at this point :005:
Or his Agent
Apparently if you don't absolutely love Zambo then you know nothing whatsoever about football. And that's a FACT. Apparently.
Quote from: alfie on September 13, 2022, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: perry geyton on September 13, 2022, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on September 13, 2022, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: MickyAdamsFamily on September 13, 2022, 03:55:17 AM
Actually it's more like his facts versus the rubbish opinions of others...
:-)
Agree
FACT
Anguissa didn't give a toss about our club and couldn't wait to leave, put in a load of average performances and never played for the badge
Harrison Reed gives a 1000% every time he steps onto the pitch
I know who I'd rather have in a Fulham shirt
Is it FACT? Did he tell you that, or are you making it up.
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I couldn't possibly say... :005:
After 16 pages of debat 067.gif, I think everyone has made their points for and against Anguissa. It's time to discuss something else FFC related. Like the next match against Nottingham Forest. 049:gif
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