Anguissa: Merged

[FreiBird]

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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "

Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us

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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"

Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course

This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections.  he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass.  I just think he flatters to deceive.

lol what?

He had the second most assists in the team.

He made the 7th most tackles in the prem, joint with Ngolo Kante, on 87.

He made the 10th most interceptions in the prem, joint with Soucek, on 55.

Joint 11th for passes between defenders into open space in the prem.

Joint 10th for successful dribbles which lead to a shot in the prem.

I get people not wanting him because he doesn't care if we stay up or not, but people acting like he's not easily the most talented player in the squad are laughable.

[The Rock]

Seems like a definite decision has been made.

https://sportwitness.co.uk/players-fulham-exit-around-corner-club-will-pay-cottagers-decision-now-definitively-taken/

Great. Stats don't turn soldiers into generals no matter how good they are. I'd like to see us find that right player and EUR 15m is plenty to work with. 

[Ruislip White]

Would love him back.  Quality and professionalism makes up for lack of loyalty.  We don't have the luxury of declining his services because he is not fully committed.  He can do a professional job as he did last time around and if that job is better than our more committed players, he should be in our squad.  Survival is the top priority and Anguissa increases our chances of survival (even if he intends to leave if we get relegated).

[davew]

Would love him back.  Quality and professionalism makes up for lack of loyalty.  We don't have the luxury of declining his services because he is not fully committed.  He can do a professional job as he did last time around and if that job is better than our more committed players, he should be in our squad.  Survival is the top priority and Anguissa increases our chances of survival (even if he intends to leave if we get relegated).

If survival is the top priotity then avoid Anguissa playing for us again, though I do prefer him to Chalobah and Onomah which is not saying a lot!!

[AJW48361]

Frank must leave (not one for the Trenches)

[bencher]

I'm confused, I thought we were playing football, not fighting on the western front. All this speak of generals, trenches etc. Put the best players out on the pitch and make sure they have some team spirit and tactical instruction, and the results should take care of themselves.

[cmg]

I'm confused, I thought we were playing football, not fighting on the western front. All this speak of generals, trenches etc. Put the best players out on the pitch and make sure they have some team spirit and tactical instruction, and the results should take care of themselves.

Yes. These military clichés are a frequent fall-back for those more impressed by sweat than skill.

[Twig]

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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "

Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us

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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"

Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course

This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections.  he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass.  I just think he flatters to deceive.

lol what?

He had the second most assists in the team.

He made the 7th most tackles in the prem, joint with Ngolo Kante, on 87.

He made the 10th most interceptions in the prem, joint with Soucek, on 55.

Joint 11th for passes between defenders into open space in the prem.

Joint 10th for successful dribbles which lead to a shot in the prem.

I get people not wanting him because he doesn't care if we stay up or not, but people acting like he's not easily the most talented player in the squad are laughable.

Ok I can't be bothered to check your stats but I can only rely on my memories.  I don't think that calling me laughable is very grown up and certainly adds nothing to the debate.  As a ST I saw plenty of Zambo and my recollection is of a tidy player who made little impact. I'm fine if you disagree and have different memories of watching him but please don't resort to juvenile comments.

[Hugh Gentry]

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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "

Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us

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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"

Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course

This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections.  he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass.  I just think he flatters to deceive.

lol what?

He had the second most assists in the team.

He made the 7th most tackles in the prem, joint with Ngolo Kante, on 87.

He made the 10th most interceptions in the prem, joint with Soucek, on 55.

Joint 11th for passes between defenders into open space in the prem.

Joint 10th for successful dribbles which lead to a shot in the prem.

I get people not wanting him because he doesn't care if we stay up or not, but people acting like he's not easily the most talented player in the squad are laughable.

Wonderful how you quote 10th bests and 11th bests.....who ever remembered the 10th best at anything. The problem is so many Fulham fans accept this as "good". He is a very average Prem player who doesn't want to be at Fulham. Let him go, we are best off without him.

It's like so many fans who say they are happy in The Championship, because we do better there.....rather than stepping up and testing ourselves against the best, as we did for 13 years.

[MickyAdamsFamily]

You do understand that having the 7th, 10th or 11th highest result out of the 500+ players in the entire league is in the highest upper tier, right? Like the 98th percentile. Very very far from average

[Hugh Gentry]

You do understand that having the 7th, 10th or 11th highest result out of the 500+ players in the entire league is in the highest upper tier, right? Like the 98th percentile. Very very far from average

But if you had actually watched the games you would have been able to work pretty quickly he was inneffectual, your argumant is like saying Possession wins games....it doesn't

[Hugh Gentry]

Madness is continuing to do the things that have failed previously, Anguissa matches this description

[LittleErn]

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"This could have been a thread about Seri a year ago. Many posters forget very quickly. "

Yes - agreed but some were incredibly pleased and quick to admit they had got it wrong about Seri when he really began to contribute and looked like he wanted to play for us

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"Also, what does it mean to have a positive impact on a result? Is it only goals and assists? Or is it something just arbitrarily used against players we don't like?"

Well , whilst goals and assists go a long way of course they are not the full story. Blocks , tackles , interceptions, creating space etc etc all have a bearing. An example that immediately comes to mind would be Ollie Norwood's fantastic block at Wembley ( potentially a game changer ) . My earlier post reflected on the fact that I couldn't remember anything Frank has done that I found memorable. It's not about liking /not liking players it's how we individually see and value their contribution. We are all different - and as I said if a far better football brain than mine - Silva wants him back I cannot argue. Sting - think about your own opinion of Reed ( who you don't see to rate from what I can gather from your previous posts ) and imagine that others might feel the same about the mercurial Anguissa.
Just my humble opinion of course

This is my memory of Zambo too. I keep asking myself whether I am forgetting something or filtering my recollections.  he always looked a neat and tidy player but I struggle to recall goals, assists, tackles and blocks, gut busting runs back to defend, defence unlocking passes or forward runs resulting in an opening or ending with a contructive pass.  I just think he flatters to deceive.

lol what?

He had the second most assists in the team.

He made the 7th most tackles in the prem, joint with Ngolo Kante, on 87.

He made the 10th most interceptions in the prem, joint with Soucek, on 55.

Joint 11th for passes between defenders into open space in the prem.

Joint 10th for successful dribbles which lead to a shot in the prem.

I get people not wanting him because he doesn't care if we stay up or not, but people acting like he's not easily the most talented player in the squad are laughable.

My main impression of Zambo is that he had so much potential but failed to deliver. In the main I was frustrated by the number of times he ran forward strongly with the ball but failed to release it before he was closed down. Even so, I feel he adds more strength to the defensive side of our game than our other options. Can we do better? I'd like to think so, but in the meantime Anguissa is worth keeping.

[millsy]

No football brain and no heart. Get rid!

[TC's Sporran]

i cannot warm to a player who disappears when the going gets tough. he thinks he is better than he is.

[AnOldBrownie]

Seems like a definite decision has been made.

https://sportwitness.co.uk/players-fulham-exit-around-corner-club-will-pay-cottagers-decision-now-definitively-taken/

Great. Stats don't turn soldiers into generals no matter how good they are. I'd like to see us find that right player and EUR 15m is plenty to work with.

Isn't the fee 15 million over 3 years (5 million per)?

[StuinSalop]

Great player in a side better than the rest, could be great if he gave us a season with 100% effort but just don't have the confidence he would.  Not sure he would do much for team morale.

[Cookie6262]

Madness is continuing to do the things that have failed previously, Anguissa matches this description

By that argument we should also get rid of Tete,Tosin,Reed,Seri,Mitro,Robinson who were all just as ineffectual as Anguissa in our last couple of Premier League seasons 👍

[Hugh Gentry]

Madness is continuing to do the things that have failed previously, Anguissa matches this description

By that argument we should also get rid of Tete,Tosin,Reed,Seri,Mitro,Robinson who were all just as ineffectual as Anguissa in our last couple of Premier League seasons 👍

Were they? that is your opinion, and they have only played one relegation campaign, not two. The biggest difference, however, is that the players you name actually want to play for the club.

[Somerset Fulham]

He is an absolute quality player, his various trips around all of the major leagues in Europe show that and anybody who thinks otherwise is being a bit daft really.

If Napoli don't want him (which would be mad at that price) then get him back here for pre-season and see how he goes. The manager knows what he is looking for and if Anguissa isn't up to it then flog him a little further down the line.  He'll sell at the drop of a hat, no problem.