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Title: Fabio
Post by: JimOG on May 23, 2022, 10:15:19 AM
From Lverpool FC

"Liverpool FC can confirm Fabio Carvalho will join the club this summer.

The 19-year-old forward will officially complete a switch to the Reds on July 1.

Carvalho played a key role in Fulham's promotion back to the Premier League in 2021-22, scoring 10 goals and providing eight assists in 36 games as Marco Silva's side won the Championship title.

He had featured for the Cottagers in the top flight on four occasions in the previous season, marking his first Premier League start with a goal away at Southampton in May 2021.

An exciting talent born in the Lisbon region of Portugal, Carvalho made his debut for Portugal U21s in March of this year having previously represented England at youth level.

Carvalho came through the academy ranks at Fulham and went on to make 44 senior appearances in total for the London club.

Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Sgt Fulham on May 23, 2022, 10:19:41 AM
Best of luck Fabio, thanks for bringing the magic this season. His contributions to our promotion cannot be underestimated, and he should get a warm welcome whenever he returns to the Cottage.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Lighthouse on May 23, 2022, 10:26:25 AM
Never understand why you would want to be a small fish in a big pool compared to a big fish in a small pool. Like many other star Fulham kids I am fully expect Fabio to get lost somewhere along the way and end up on loan at Hibs.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Bassey the warrior on May 23, 2022, 10:28:23 AM
Still mourning this move, he's earned it but so annoying we can't retain our young talent.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Deeping_white on May 23, 2022, 10:31:01 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 23, 2022, 10:26:25 AM
Never understand why you would want to be a small fish in a big pool compared to a big fish in a small pool. Like many other star Fulham kids I am fully expect Fabio to get lost somewhere along the way and end up on loan at Hibs.

Why? Fabio is the first player out of the academy that I think will go on to be world class. He has so many aspects to his game that you just can't teach and if he stays injury free he's going to the very top. Talent wise Elliot was up there as well but he's got rocks for brains and that'll hold him back.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Surlyc on May 23, 2022, 10:35:18 AM
I wish Fabio all the best. He played very well this season and deserves to play at a higher level. I hope he doesn't get lost in the shuffle at Anfield and becomes the player most of us think he can be.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Jamie88 on May 23, 2022, 10:35:23 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 23, 2022, 10:26:25 AM
Never understand why you would want to be a small fish in a big pool compared to a big fish in a small pool. Like many other star Fulham kids I am fully expect Fabio to get lost somewhere along the way and end up on loan at Hibs.

I would usually agree with that sentiment, but on this occasion I think Fabio will go on to be a genuine top player
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: WhiteJC on May 23, 2022, 10:35:45 AM
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: SG on May 23, 2022, 10:43:57 AM
Call me small minded, petty, childish, bitter etc etc but once he leaves our magnificent club I couldn't give a sh1t how he gets on
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Blawarmy on May 23, 2022, 10:44:27 AM
Are we running the Fulham academy or the Liverpool academy?
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: JimOG on May 23, 2022, 10:47:43 AM
Quote from: Blawarmy on May 23, 2022, 10:44:27 AM
Are we running the Fulham academy or the Liverpool academy?

Understand the sentiment...how much would Elliott and Fabio fetch if they were available? £40mill or more? As someone on here said astutely last week Liverpool are very good at the business side of things
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: DevonFFC on May 23, 2022, 10:48:40 AM
Quote from: SG on May 23, 2022, 10:43:57 AM
Call me small minded, petty, childish, bitter etc etc but once he leaves our magnificent club I couldn't give a sh1t how he gets on

I agree, he could of helped us out a lot more in a way of signing a contract with a buy out clause in there. Yes he played we to the end but he was only benefiting himself for experience anyhow
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: FFC1987 on May 23, 2022, 10:53:50 AM
Genuinely gutted about this. It's why sadly, I think we'll continue to probably be a bit of a yoyo club. Having Fabio next season would of been massive for us. Even one more season. But now we're losing a pivotal member of our successful team and asking a new player to come in and gel in a really important role.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Sting of the North on May 23, 2022, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: DevonFFC on May 23, 2022, 10:48:40 AM
Quote from: SG on May 23, 2022, 10:43:57 AM
Call me small minded, petty, childish, bitter etc etc but once he leaves our magnificent club I couldn't give a sh1t how he gets on

I agree, he could of helped us out a lot more in a way of signing a contract with a buy out clause in there. Yes he played we to the end but he was only benefiting himself for experience anyhow

He obviously wasn't only benefiting himself, as he helped the team a lot.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Whitestone on May 23, 2022, 11:05:49 AM
It's very disappointing news but totally expected. Good luck Fabio.
More importantly the club need to review the Fabio situation  and try to find a way to prevent the drain of our best talent in future. Silva seemed to suggest that had he arrived at the club sooner we may have had a different outcome.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Thailand Mick on May 23, 2022, 11:08:23 AM
Quote from: JimOG on May 23, 2022, 10:47:43 AM
Quote from: Blawarmy on May 23, 2022, 10:44:27 AM
Are we running the Fulham academy or the Liverpool academy?

Understand the sentiment...how much would Elliott and Fabio fetch if they were available? £40mill or more? As someone on here said astutely last week Liverpool are very good at the business side of things
the system is flawed which allows the bigger clubs to take advantage of the smaller clubs right down through the league's. There needs to be a bigger risk for the bigger clubs attached to taken a player at a young age and the rule about a players first contract can only be 2 years needs changing.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: The Cravenette on May 23, 2022, 11:19:31 AM
Villa benefited massively from Grealish staying with them and then getting 100 million for him. That is never going to happen with Fulham as players are just not committed enough to stay and so we get peanuts for them.

Good luck to Fabio though
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Cambridge Pete on May 23, 2022, 11:28:05 AM
Sad to see him go, but wish him all the best. Once again we lose a potentially top quality player for peanuts. Unfortunately the system allows bigger clubs to garner the better prospects, as we have with some of our youth players. I hope he has a great career (except when he plays us)
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Cornishnick on May 23, 2022, 11:34:07 AM
Don't overlook the 20% sell on clause, could be a good payday later
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Southcoastffc on May 23, 2022, 11:36:08 AM
Quote from: Deeping_white on May 23, 2022, 10:31:01 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 23, 2022, 10:26:25 AM
Never understand why you would want to be a small fish in a big pool compared to a big fish in a small pool. Like many other star Fulham kids I am fully expect Fabio to get lost somewhere along the way and end up on loan at Hibs.

Why? Fabio is the first player out of the academy that I think will go on to be world class. He has so many aspects to his game that you just can't teach and if he stays injury free he's going to the very top. Talent wise Elliot was up there as well but he's got rocks for brains and that'll hold him back.
THIS ^^ And his professionalism (bear in mind he is still only 19) reflects very well on him IMO
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: toshes mate on May 23, 2022, 11:53:58 AM
I am always reluctant to publicly comment on the outcome private individuals may see as a result of their decisions but the truth is that real talent is hard to miss or keep a secret even in younger players.

Fabio Carvalho has an enormous range of abilities to build on and I hope he goes from strength to strength and maintains his ability to keep injury free.  He served us well and has now determined that this move is the next step in his journey; I respect his decision and wish him all the very best for the future.   I hope he remembers his time at FFC with affection and knows he will always be welcome back here to visit or, if the gods do so bless us, to play for FFC again.     
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: FFCBadger on May 23, 2022, 11:57:55 AM
Quote from: Cornishnick on May 23, 2022, 11:34:07 AM
Don't overlook the 20% sell on clause, could be a good payday later

It's a good point.
If he goes for £60m in a couple of years (a low estimate I'd say) we'd have cleared £20m for him. Personally I'd be OK with that now.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: JimOG on May 23, 2022, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on May 23, 2022, 11:53:58 AM
I am always reluctant to publicly comment on the outcome private individuals may see as a result of their decisions but the truth is that real talent is hard to miss or keep a secret even in younger players.

Fabio Carvalho has an enormous range of abilities to build on and I hope he goes from strength to strength and maintains his ability to keep injury free.  He served us well and has now determined that this move is the next step in his journey; I respect his decision and wish him all the very best for the future.   I hope he remembers his time at FFC with affection and knows he will always be welcome back here to visit or, if the gods do so bless us, to play for FFC again.   

Well said
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Thailand Mick on May 23, 2022, 12:03:11 PM
Quote from: FFCBadger on May 23, 2022, 11:57:55 AM
Quote from: Cornishnick on May 23, 2022, 11:34:07 AM
Don't overlook the 20% sell on clause, could be a good payday later

It's a good point.
If he goes for £60m in a couple of years (a low estimate I'd say) we'd have cleared £20m for him. Personally I'd be OK with that now.
I would like to see a 50% of the profit sell on clause for all players under 21 as standard.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Andy S on May 23, 2022, 12:27:24 PM
I agree and it is sad to see him go. It's all about money as is everything all of us do. I don't begrudge him a bit of cash as he could easily get seriously injured in the next few years whereby his career is cut short. Yes the rules should be changed to help the smaller or selling clubs. I'm not looking forward to playing against him but I wish him well
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Sting of the North on May 23, 2022, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 23, 2022, 12:27:24 PM
I agree and it is sad to see him go. It's all about money as is everything all of us do. I don't begrudge him a bit of cash as he could easily get seriously injured in the next few years whereby his career is cut short. Yes the rules should be changed to help the smaller or selling clubs. I'm not looking forward to playing against him but I wish him well

Why are you so convinced it's all about the money? Is it so unreasonable to think that Fabio would like to go to a bigger club and play for titles? Surely money is not the only motivator for all players all the time? Or do you believe it is? Also, if the information we have gotten on here is even remotely close to the truth, then he would have earned at least as much if he stayed.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: FFC1987 on May 23, 2022, 12:34:20 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 23, 2022, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: Andy S on May 23, 2022, 12:27:24 PM
I agree and it is sad to see him go. It's all about money as is everything all of us do. I don't begrudge him a bit of cash as he could easily get seriously injured in the next few years whereby his career is cut short. Yes the rules should be changed to help the smaller or selling clubs. I'm not looking forward to playing against him but I wish him well

Why are you so convinced it's all about the money? Is it so unreasonable to think that Fabio would like to go to a bigger club and play for titles? Surely money is not the only motivator for all players all the time? Or do you believe it is? Also, if the information we have gotten on here is even remotely close to the truth, then he would have earned at least as much if he stayed.

Wasn't it also quoted by some that we actually offered more than Liverpool to try and get him to stay as Pool have a limiting salary factor (soon to be demolished if the Salah contract leaks are true)?
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Nick Bateman on May 23, 2022, 12:59:21 PM
Liverpoo acquiring such a fine young talent for a measley £7.7m is highway robbery!! He will hardly get a game and one tends to think Fab will regret his decision until he leaves them for at least ten times what they allegedly paid for him.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Ruislip White on May 23, 2022, 01:00:52 PM
He hasn't proved himself at premier league level yet.  He's a very good championship player.  Will that translate into the top flight?  Who knows.
I thought Ryan Sessegnon made a far greater impact on our championship team a few years ago, but that impact didn't carry through for 3-4 years.
I'd therefore much rather have an experienced player that's proven in the prem playing in behind Mitro, rather than Fabio.
Played his part in our promotion and good luck to him.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: rubbernecca on May 23, 2022, 01:02:48 PM
Completely agree - how can we replace him for that money.

Who makes these deals?
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: rubbernecca on May 23, 2022, 01:05:08 PM
Quote from: Ruislip White on May 23, 2022, 01:00:52 PM
He hasn't proved himself at premier league level yet.  He's a very good championship player.  Will that translate into the top flight?  Who knows.
I thought Ryan Sessegnon made a far greater impact on our championship team a few years ago, but that impact didn't carry through for 3-4 years.
I'd therefore much rather have an experienced player that's proven in the prem playing in behind Mitro, rather than Fabio.
Played his part in our promotion and good luck to him.

He's miles better than Sessegnon. This is a terrible deal.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: HV71 on May 23, 2022, 01:06:40 PM
Gutted - the man is " different gravy"

Best of luck Fabio you will be really missed
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: bog on May 23, 2022, 01:12:27 PM
Obviously sorry to see him go. I think the chance to be in the squad and train with so many world famous names is very enticing even if not playing that often. Good luck Fabio but it would have been nice to see you play for us for one season in the top flight.

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Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Dodgin on May 23, 2022, 01:18:57 PM
He comes across as a most likeable and articulate young man, his FFC TV interview showed his commitment to the club. Sad to see him go though.

Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Count Flapula on May 23, 2022, 01:34:18 PM
Good luck to Fabio - thanks for your efforts this season in helping us win the league and achieve promotion. So techically gifted, amazing balance but equally tellingly IMO, is mature beyond his years and has the mental attributes to match his natural talent. Barring injury he has a great chance of making it to the very top.

Absolutely gutted we didn't manage to get him on a longer contract and get at least one season out of him in the Prem but what can you do if they don't want to sign and teams like Liverpool come knocking? The ruling limiting us to only being able to offer 2 year contracts to the likes of Elliott and Fabio has cost us dearly in both a financial and football sense - imagine having them behind Mitro and the sell-on value we would have got were we able to offer 4 year deals earlier...

Also, the longer you are deemed a "yo-yo" team, the harder it is to both persuade your best talent to stay and to also entice a better quality of player. Hoping we can pull a few rabbits out of hats this summer and break the cycle.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: St Eve on May 23, 2022, 01:42:48 PM
A magnificent talent. Very sad to lose him, but I wish him the best
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: H4usuallysitting on May 23, 2022, 03:04:13 PM
Good luck old son.... I'll be keeping an eye out for him
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Sammyffc on May 23, 2022, 03:07:03 PM
I think we all need a reality check here and look at the situation through the eyes of a player.

Liverpool are arguably the best team in the world, with the best manager in the world who likes to take a chance on youth.

Believing that a youth player should reject that type of move to stay with us would be absolutely terrible advice. Chances to join the big clubs do not come around often, having the chance to join Liverpool
now with how great they are ( urgh ) is a no brainer.

All of this ( he will be on the bench ) is quite laughable considering fabio has literally played first team football for us for around 7 months or so. Many fans are going on like he had been here starting for a few years.

I also see hardly a peep from any fans on here when fulham do their own shady stuff to get youth players, the double standards are huge, we literally got fined 6 figures a few months ago for an obvious dodgy dealing for a youth player ... and don't get me started on how we got stansfield.


Yes we are a lovely family club by the river and that means alot to us, but as a player when they are approached by a mega team of that stature in Liverpool, im sorry but its a no brainer.

Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: filham on May 23, 2022, 03:56:40 PM
So pleased he stayed with us to see out last season, it made a big difference to us.
I now wish him luck at Liverpool but my focus is on a replacement and that is a priority and is going to be difficult to achieve.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Ruislip White on May 23, 2022, 04:02:11 PM
Quote from: rubbernecca on May 23, 2022, 01:05:08 PM
Quote from: Ruislip White on May 23, 2022, 01:00:52 PM
He hasn't proved himself at premier league level yet.  He's a very good championship player.  Will that translate into the top flight?  Who knows.
I thought Ryan Sessegnon made a far greater impact on our championship team a few years ago, but that impact didn't carry through for 3-4 years.
I'd therefore much rather have an experienced player that's proven in the prem playing in behind Mitro, rather than Fabio.
Played his part in our promotion and good luck to him.


He's miles better than Sessegnon. This is a terrible deal.


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Sess was championship player of the season and EFL young player of the season.  To my mind ahead  ahead of Cav.  Either way, lucky to have had both players in our team.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: shepperton white on May 23, 2022, 04:19:12 PM
Agree with Sammy 100% plus some posters doubted he would get much game time.  I think he will.  Look at Harvey Elliott - he's already featured in their 1st team - even started one or two - and my humble opinion Fabio is not merely better player, but also already far more more mature with a better attitude.  As someone said 'he's got rocks for brains'.  I wish him well and hope he has a stellar career.

The system is unfair to the lower clubs for sure.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Tabby on May 23, 2022, 04:21:25 PM
Quote from: shepperton white on May 23, 2022, 04:19:12 PM
Agree with Sammy 100% plus some posters doubted he would get much game time.  I think he will.  Look at Harvey Elliott - he's already featured in their 1st team - even started one or two - and my humble opinion Fabio is not merely better player, but also already far more more mature with a better attitude.  As someone said 'he's got rocks for brains'.  I wish him well and hope he has a stellar career.

The system is unfair to the lower clubs for sure.

Fabio is a year older as well. I think people forget how young Elliott is.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Mince n Tatties on May 23, 2022, 04:29:16 PM
Breaking  News.....After reading this thread he has decided to stay with Fulham....Honestly it's true,it's on Football Insider.😁
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: FFC1987 on May 23, 2022, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on May 23, 2022, 04:29:16 PM
Breaking  News.....After reading this thread he has decided to stay with Fulham....Honestly it's true,it's on Football Insider.😁

Hmm Fabrizio hasn't tweeted it so its 100% not true. Soz
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Mince n Tatties on May 23, 2022, 04:30:57 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on May 23, 2022, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on May 23, 2022, 04:29:16 PM
Breaking  News.....After reading this thread he has decided to stay with Fulham....Honestly it's true,it's on Football Insider.😁

Hmm Fabrizio hasn't tweeted it so its 100% not true. Soz

😆
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: WindyCity on May 23, 2022, 04:36:53 PM
Always a cap tip to Fabio. He clearly gave his all, and risking injury, helped FFC in promotion.  There were some posters here that felt he should have been moth-balled when it became apparent he was moving on.  I never subscribed to that, and well done to Fabio for his professional and emotional commitment to FFC. 

All that said, I tend to forget about players/managers (SP) that have moved on.  Wish Fabio well and all that stuff, but he's the 'enemy' now.  I don't wish him any ill will, but at same time I will be much more invested in FFC and what FFC is doing........
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Fulham 442 on May 23, 2022, 05:28:44 PM
Quote from: HV71 on May 23, 2022, 01:06:40 PM
Gutted - the man is " different gravy"

Best of luck Fabio you will be really missed

Yes I agree,  this has been on the cards for a long time now but I was still sad when this news "broke" today, especially as he could have had a major impact on our chances of staying up next season but it is what it is...
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: b+w geezer on May 23, 2022, 06:41:18 PM
Different types of players, but while Sess joined Spurs with the potential for a very solid premier career, no-one seriously imagined he'd be a regular goal-scorer at that level. His would be a lower-key stalwart-type team contribution. And at last that seems to be transpiring.

The potential stardom for Fabio is higher due to playing style and position. But the other difference for me is that even after a full season of watching him, I don't yet know what his ceiling will be. It could be higher than that any of our youth products for half a century. Reasons against that being the case have yet to become visible, and the next season or two will therefore need to be the judge.

We have been short-changed financially, but not on the pitch, and from all reports he has been a fine character off it. I am probably not the only one on here to have had some particular first-hand testimony of that by someone I will leave to tell it himself as a believe he soon will. A good kid, really.

All the best to him.

Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Neutral Zone Ultra on May 23, 2022, 06:48:10 PM
As others have pointed out the 20% sell-on clause is potentially massive down the line. Say if he goes for £50m, we get £10m. If he goes for £75m, we get £15m. Not completely out of the question that we're in for some decent money if he does well.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: bobbo on May 23, 2022, 07:34:14 PM
Well I wish nothing but success and a brilliant future . Really hope it goes well for him he's such a talented young lad . I'm also gutted he's leaving. But it's how football is now , he has the chance To join one of the top teams in the world , so all you criticising him, what would you do given the circumstances were your to choose.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: FFC1987 on May 23, 2022, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: bobbo on May 23, 2022, 07:34:14 PM
Well I wish nothing but success and a brilliant future . Really hope it goes well for him he's such a talented young lad . I'm also gutted he's leaving. But it's how football is now , he has the chance To join one of the top teams in the world , so all you criticising him, what would you do given the circumstances were your to choose.

Stay with Fulham. Build a legacy, get paid as much as Mbappe by rich American owners, win them leagues and titles and retire like Akenfenwa playing in the champions league final and winning us the cup at Wembley with his last kick.

What could of been hey.....
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Wingnut on May 23, 2022, 08:00:47 PM
Quote from: bobbo on May 23, 2022, 07:34:14 PM
Well I wish nothing but success and a brilliant future . Really hope it goes well for him he's such a talented young lad . I'm also gutted he's leaving. But it's how football is now , he has the chance To join one of the top teams in the world , so all you criticising him, what would you do given the circumstances were your to choose.

I'd stay here, gain valuable experience playing in the PL, and look to move on in a few seasons. I can't see him getting into that Liverpool XI. I think they'll send him out on loan next season. I'd be happy to take him back for the season.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: bobbo on May 23, 2022, 08:06:55 PM
Quote from: Wingnut on May 23, 2022, 08:00:47 PM
Quote from: bobbo on May 23, 2022, 07:34:14 PM
Well I wish nothing but success and a brilliant future . Really hope it goes well for him he's such a talented young lad . I'm also gutted he's leaving. But it's how football is now , he has the chance To join one of the top teams in the world , so all you criticising him, what would you do given the circumstances were your to choose.

I'd stay here, gain valuable experience playing in the PL, and look to move on in a few seasons. I can't see him getting into that Liverpool XI. I think they'll send him out on loan next season. I'd be happy to take him back for the season.
yes so would I . Just think if I were his age and ability I'd do the same as him , just my choice but I see your point.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: LC on May 23, 2022, 10:27:40 PM
I'm upset to see him leave, but bottom line is he won't be playing much next season. I'd be very surprised if he gets more than a few sub appearances- maybe he plays a few cup games. I expect he'll probably go out on loan at some point next season.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Bassey the warrior on May 23, 2022, 11:21:35 PM
Quote from: LC on May 23, 2022, 10:27:40 PM
I'm upset to see him leave, but bottom line is he won't be playing much next season. I'd be very surprised if he gets more than a few sub appearances- maybe he plays a few cup games. I expect he'll probably go out on loan at some point next season.

I think he'll surprise you, he will get game time.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Bassey the warrior on May 23, 2022, 11:23:54 PM
Quote from: WindyCity on May 23, 2022, 04:36:53 PM
Always a cap tip to Fabio. He clearly gave his all, and risking injury, helped FFC in promotion.  There were some posters here that felt he should have been moth-balled when it became apparent he was moving on.  I never subscribed to that, and well done to Fabio for his professional and emotional commitment to FFC. 

All that said, I tend to forget about players/managers (SP) that have moved on.  Wish Fabio well and all that stuff, but he's the 'enemy' now.  I don't wish him any ill will, but at same time I will be much more invested in FFC and what FFC is doing........

Agree with this, he was superb all season and earned his move. No grievance with him at all, just very sad to see him go.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: WolverineFFC on May 23, 2022, 11:45:52 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on May 23, 2022, 10:31:01 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 23, 2022, 10:26:25 AM
Never understand why you would want to be a small fish in a big pool compared to a big fish in a small pool. Like many other star Fulham kids I am fully expect Fabio to get lost somewhere along the way and end up on loan at Hibs.


Why? Fabio is the first player out of the academy that I think will go on to be world class. He has so many aspects to his game that you just can't teach and if he stays injury free he's going to the very top. Talent wise Elliot was up there as well but he's got rocks for brains and that'll hold him back.

I agree. Fully expect him to be starting some and playing out on the left wing next season. Could see him in their midfield as well. He's not going to be a nailed on starter by any means, but I think it will be hard to keep him off the field in some capacity.

His only start for Fulham in the Premier League, he was the best attacking player on the field. His class was evident at that level right away. Not sure why so many think he will not be successful on a team surrounded by better attacking players.

Elliot looked similar in his 15 minute cameo. Some players just look like they belong right away.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: PaulRoJo on May 24, 2022, 10:48:27 AM
Hi Friends of Fulham,

Liverpool fan here: thanks for Fabio (and Harvey).  I expect that we won't be back shopping at your wonderful academy for awhile but is there anyone we should be keeping an eye on?   :dft011: :dft012:

Jokes aside, it will be good to have another good footballing team in the PL and would be great if you could take some points of man city next season.  Not a huge fan of more London clubs but Craven Cottage was so unique so looking forward to seeing how it is with the new stand(s).  Interesting to read about Harvey having rocks for brains - on the pitch he seems to make good decisions and off it he (mostly) says the right things but it does seem like he needs to stop chatting shite on social media away and get a decent haircut.  That said we have been impressed with what he has shown so far and the fact you rate Fabio higher is very exciting.

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Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: FFC1987 on May 24, 2022, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: PaulRoJo on May 24, 2022, 10:48:27 AM
Hi Friends of Fulham,

Liverpool fan here: thanks for Fabio (and Harvey).  I expect that we won't be back shopping at your wonderful academy for awhile but is there anyone we should be keeping an eye on?   :dft011: :dft012:

Jokes aside, it will be good to have another good footballing team in the PL and would be great if you could take some points of man city next season.  Not a huge fan of more London clubs but Craven Cottage was so unique so looking forward to seeing how it is with the new stand(s).  Interesting to read about Harvey having rocks for brains - on the pitch he seems to make good decisions and off it he (mostly) says the right things but it does seem like he needs to stop chatting shite on social media away and get a decent haircut.  That said we have been impressed with what he has shown so far and the fact you rate Fabio higher is very exciting.

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Too soon Paul, we're still mourning!!!!

In regards to Elliott, he left in, what some regard as, dubious circumstances showing patterns of disrespect so some on here are much harsher on him than others. Take with a pinch of salt. Wish Fabio well, he's a real star in the making.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: PaulRoJo on May 24, 2022, 12:11:14 PM
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Too soon Paul, we're still mourning!!!!


Yeah sorry, was being a bit of a dick.  Also still mourning about the PL to be honest..  (And we may well lose Salah or Mane to one of our competitors this summer)

Interesting about Harvey Elliot - perhaps as an actual LFC fan he came off as overly quick to 'move on' and given he was courted by real madrid etc he may have given off the air that he was 'too good' which would understandably stick in the craw given he was 16 and had played only a few times.  Different circumstances of course, but we were similarly pissed when Raheem Sterling went to man city to 'win things' (and for bumper wages). 
Apparently Harvey is a very 'confident' boy and in our PL run in it seems possible that Klopp may have dropped him for about a month after a few too many unhelpful twitter messages.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: b+w geezer on May 24, 2022, 12:41:57 PM
Fabio is confident, but I think in the right way. His attitude is above all whiy he has a strong chance of swimming rather than sinking.

He is irrepressible, cannot be bullied and is constantly, and intelligently, on the move, perpetually switched on, never in neutral.

And of course he can play, but so can any young player signed by a major club. The ones who don't sink have the mental side too.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: f bloke on May 24, 2022, 01:24:58 PM
Watching from the touch lines at Motspur Park Elliott was that kid we all played with at school - the best player but really narky - visibly showing his frustration at his team mates - also a little bit selfish.  Fab was different, much more encouraging and supportive- he had a particularly close relationship with Jasper.  Now that is all down to personality which of itself doesn't particularly mean much - after all wasn't Haynes referred to as little Nark?

But if I had choice as to which one of the two I could keep - right now hands down it would be Fab - two footed, beautifully balanced, has the ability to receive on the full turn, let alone the half turn. 

Will be interesting to see if I will be of the same view 3 or 4 years down the line. They are both so young, it is difficult to predict with certainty
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: perry geyton on May 24, 2022, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on May 23, 2022, 10:26:25 AM
Never understand why you would want to be a small fish in a big pool compared to a big fish in a small pool. Like many other star Fulham kids I am fully expect Fabio to get lost somewhere along the way and end up on loan at Hibs.
It worked out wel for Harvey, I'm just fuming at the fact that they go there for knish
scavengers
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Bassey the warrior on May 26, 2022, 12:00:08 PM
On the subject of Liverpool being cheapskates, that could come back to haunt them on Saturday: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61484664

Offered 3m Euros for Rodrygo as a 16 year old, leaves for 45m just over a year later and now he's a top top player.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: ron on May 26, 2022, 12:13:37 PM
Quote from: Blawarmy on May 23, 2022, 10:44:27 AM
Are we running the Fulham academy or the Liverpool academy?

That really gets to me too. The Fulham Academy gets all the plaudits for finding and developing talent and then gets three pence halfpenny in transfer fees when the youngsters get scooped up by the gannets.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Sammyffc on May 26, 2022, 04:16:35 PM
Quote from: ron on May 26, 2022, 12:13:37 PM
Quote from: Blawarmy on May 23, 2022, 10:44:27 AM
Are we running the Fulham academy or the Liverpool academy?

That really gets to me too. The Fulham Academy gets all the plaudits for finding and developing talent and then gets three pence halfpenny in transfer fees when the youngsters get scooped up by the gannets.

No sympathy at all.

Have you seen how many players we have released at youth level who are now big names ?

Look at the most recent one who plays for bayern munich.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Fulham 442 on May 26, 2022, 04:59:50 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on May 24, 2022, 12:41:57 PM
Fabio is confident, but I think in the right way. His attitude is above all whiy he has a strong chance of swimming rather than sinking.

He is irrepressible, cannot be bullied and is constantly, and intelligently, on the move, perpetually switched on, never in neutral.

And of course he can play, but so can any young player signed by a major club. The ones who don't sink have the mental side too.
I think he is a real talent who will go on to have a great career.  I don't think he will be a bench warmer at Liverpool, he is a major talent who will shine.  I am just so sad he won't be doing it with us.  I have to say I couldn't watch the video on the Offal, just so sorry to see him go, but I wish him all the best.  He always gave his all in a Fulham shirt for sure.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: RaySmith on May 26, 2022, 05:03:43 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on May 26, 2022, 04:59:50 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on May 24, 2022, 12:41:57 PM
Fabio is confident, but I think in the right way. His attitude is above all whiy he has a strong chance of swimming rather than sinking.

He is irrepressible, cannot be bullied and is constantly, and intelligently, on the move, perpetually switched on, never in neutral.

And of course he can play, but so can any young player signed by a major club. The ones who don't sink have the mental side too.
I think he is a real talent who will go on to have a great career.  I don't think he will be a bench warmer at Liverpool, he is a major talent who will shine.  I am just so sad he won't be doing it with us.  I have to say I couldn't watch the video on the Offal, just so sorry to see him go, but I wish him all the best.  He always gave his all in a Fulham shirt for sure.

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Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: HV71 on May 26, 2022, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on May 26, 2022, 04:59:50 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on May 24, 2022, 12:41:57 PM
Fabio is confident, but I think in the right way. His attitude is above all whiy he has a strong chance of swimming rather than sinking.

He is irrepressible, cannot be bullied and is constantly, and intelligently, on the move, perpetually switched on, never in neutral.

And of course he can play, but so can any young player signed by a major club. The ones who don't sink have the mental side too.
I think he is a real talent who will go on to have a great career.  I don't think he will be a bench warmer at Liverpool, he is a major talent who will shine.  I am just so sad he won't be doing it with us.  I have to say I couldn't watch the video on the Offal, just so sorry to see him go, but I wish him all the best.  He always gave his all in a Fulham shirt for sure.


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Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: FFC1987 on May 26, 2022, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: HV71 on May 26, 2022, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on May 26, 2022, 04:59:50 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on May 24, 2022, 12:41:57 PM
Fabio is confident, but I think in the right way. His attitude is above all whiy he has a strong chance of swimming rather than sinking.

He is irrepressible, cannot be bullied and is constantly, and intelligently, on the move, perpetually switched on, never in neutral.

And of course he can play, but so can any young player signed by a major club. The ones who don't sink have the mental side too.
I think he is a real talent who will go on to have a great career.  I don't think he will be a bench warmer at Liverpool, he is a major talent who will shine.  I am just so sad he won't be doing it with us.  I have to say I couldn't watch the video on the Offal, just so sorry to see him go, but I wish him all the best.  He always gave his all in a Fulham shirt for sure.


+1

To the OG of this and the plus 1's, out of interest, who do you see him start in front of next season if we presume they have the same squad?
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Fulham 442 on May 26, 2022, 05:44:02 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on May 26, 2022, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: HV71 on May 26, 2022, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on May 26, 2022, 04:59:50 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on May 24, 2022, 12:41:57 PM
Fabio is confident, but I think in the right way. His attitude is above all whiy he has a strong chance of swimming rather than sinking.

He is irrepressible, cannot be bullied and is constantly, and intelligently, on the move, perpetually switched on, never in neutral.

And of course he can play, but so can any young player signed by a major club. The ones who don't sink have the mental side too.
I think he is a real talent who will go on to have a great career.  I don't think he will be a bench warmer at Liverpool, he is a major talent who will shine.  I am just so sad he won't be doing it with us.  I have to say I couldn't watch the video on the Offal, just so sorry to see him go, but I wish him all the best.  He always gave his all in a Fulham shirt for sure.


+1

To the OG of this and the plus 1's, out of interest, who do you see him start in front of next season if we presume they have the same squad?
I just think he will get some game time and not be a permanent bench warmer...Just my opinion of course...
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: FFC1987 on May 26, 2022, 05:59:03 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on May 26, 2022, 05:44:02 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on May 26, 2022, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: HV71 on May 26, 2022, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: Fulham 442 on May 26, 2022, 04:59:50 PM
Quote from: b+w geezer on May 24, 2022, 12:41:57 PM
Fabio is confident, but I think in the right way. His attitude is above all whiy he has a strong chance of swimming rather than sinking.

He is irrepressible, cannot be bullied and is constantly, and intelligently, on the move, perpetually switched on, never in neutral.

And of course he can play, but so can any young player signed by a major club. The ones who don't sink have the mental side too.
I think he is a real talent who will go on to have a great career.  I don't think he will be a bench warmer at Liverpool, he is a major talent who will shine.  I am just so sad he won't be doing it with us.  I have to say I couldn't watch the video on the Offal, just so sorry to see him go, but I wish him all the best.  He always gave his all in a Fulham shirt for sure.


+1

To the OG of this and the plus 1's, out of interest, who do you see him start in front of next season if we presume they have the same squad?
I just think he will get some game time and not be a permanent bench warmer...Just my opinion of course...

Sure, I'd like that to be the case, but I'm scratching my head at who he replaces in starting line up to be honest. I see him as squad depth at best really.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: Dunstable Fulham on May 26, 2022, 08:43:34 PM
He has been true class this season and we will really miss him.
I think he will get game time at Liverpool next season and be properly established by the end of next season.
I wish him all the best for the future.
I also think it's another example of Parker's negativity an safety first that he didn't play him until we were relegated in the previous season. From what I have seen this season he should have been coming off the bench and contributing from Christmas onwards. We were relying on Cavand BDR together with Lookman and the guy that came in on loan from France - none of them in Fabios class.
Title: Re: Fabio
Post by: HV71 on May 26, 2022, 08:56:44 PM
Love him - hate him it doesn't matter Klopp isn't afraid of introducing youth . He knows his incredibly potent strike force is ageing , likely to increasingly suffer from injuries and may well have spells away at the ACON. He will probably therefore give Fabio chances to prove himself.