According to the Standard, Willian is looking for a new club. He is disappointed but just what are we playing at!
That is scandalous news! Yes, Peabody, what are we doing? ::angry::
Is there financial trouble behind the scenes?
We dont know the details of the contract or how long the 35 year Willian wanted or what wage. probably waiting for the Saudis to get in touch
Quote from: Nero on June 30, 2023, 03:11:10 PMWe dont know the details of the contract or how long the 35 year Willian wanted or what wage. probably waiting for the Saudis to get in touch
I think you may be right about the Saudis. I hope we get at least one more season.
Really is worrying. This is the best position the Khans have ever had the club in and all signs point to we're heading to one of the biggest messes the club has ever been in, in recent times. ::wine::
Quote from: ElRay on June 30, 2023, 03:48:42 PMReally is worrying. This is the best position the Khans have ever had the club in and all signs point to we're heading to one of the biggest messes the club has ever been in, in recent times. ::wine::
"all signs"...
Extremely disappointing if we can't manage to keep Willian, either his demands are completely out there, or we are making a huge mistake.
In my opinion
I don't understand it. All was going so well, I really hope things change and Marco signs, Willian renews etc but it's not looking good right now
Can I ask why all the above comments have given this newspaper report credit with being accurate while dismissing others relating to different Fulham players as being nothing more than nonsense headline grabbing?
Quote from: ElRay on June 30, 2023, 03:48:42 PMReally is worrying. This is the best position the Khans have ever had the club in and all signs point to we're heading to one of the biggest messes the club has ever been in, in recent times. ::wine::
It really isn't.
If he isn't given a decent contract you can't blame him, it's probably his last or almost last full season age considering.
Even so, if he doesn't want to stay then so be it. Does seem a little foolish however not to try and keep him.
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on June 30, 2023, 03:57:39 PMQuote from: ElRay on June 30, 2023, 03:48:42 PMReally is worrying. This is the best position the Khans have ever had the club in and all signs point to we're heading to one of the biggest messes the club has ever been in, in recent times. ::wine::
It really isn't.
I do hope you're right. I should have added if true in my original comment
The paper calls it an exclusive. But I have been reading for the last month that he has refused the contract. Now either they were lies, this is based on the lies or the fact that they say it is exclusive is a lie. Seeing as I don't know and have doubts about any of the news until it's official. I don't care if he stays or goes until I know. If he goes then it is a shame but such is the ups and downs of football.
But it is tedious that every year we have the same reports of coaches and players leaving when it isn't always true.
Oh dear, just say some of the other rumours turned into reality and we had to start the season without Willian, Palhinha, Robinson and Tosin.
Quote from: Lighthouse on June 30, 2023, 04:25:44 PMThe paper calls it an exclusive. But I have been reading for the last month that he has refused the contract. Now either they were lies, this is based on the lies or the fact that they say it is exclusive is a lie. Seeing as I don't know and have doubts about any of the news until it's official. I don't care if he stays or goes until I know. If he goes then it is a shame but such is the ups and downs of football.
But it is tedious that every year we have the same reports of coaches and players leaving when it isn't always true.
I find it tedious that people always blame the club when
1. We have no idea what has been offered
2. We have no idea what he doesn't like about the offer
3. We have no idea if his agent has advised him about other offers
4. Supporters complaining about rising ticket prices, yet are telling the club to pay him
what he wants.
And finally
5. We have no idea if it is true.
Agree with both Lighthouse and Alfie here.
It may well be true that the guy is leaving, but why is that automatically the club's fault?
The biggest irony is that we offered Kebano another year? We have a quality Brazilian footballer who was instrumental in our success last season and is fit as a fiddle. Whereas Neeskens has had half a dozen good games at this level in three attempts?
Genuinely doesn't bother me, i think its actually good news we aren't just bending over backwards to offer players money. He clearly wants more than what he wanted last year which was reportedly already high, so i have no issue with us saying no.
Quote from: JimmyConway on June 30, 2023, 04:56:24 PMThe biggest irony is that we offered Kebano another year? We have a quality Brazilian footballer who was instrumental in our success last season and is fit as a fiddle. Whereas Neeskens has had half a dozen good games at this level in three attempts?
Unless you know what the offers players have you can't compare them.
Quote from: filham on June 30, 2023, 04:40:24 PMOh dear, just say some of the other rumours turned into reality and we had to start the season without Willian, Palhinha, Robinson and Tosin.
Yes,we always seem to believe the negative rumours and scoff at the positive ones :slap:
Quote from: JimmyConway on June 30, 2023, 04:56:24 PMThe biggest irony is that we offered Kebano another year? We have a quality Brazilian footballer who was instrumental in our success last season and is fit as a fiddle. Whereas Neeskens has had half a dozen good games at this level in three attempts?
No reason to compare the two.
Willian want an additional year in his contract and Fulham offer him that. Dont think its necessarily a bad decision by the club. I understand why you dont want to offer a longer contract to a year old.
I trust none of these lying rags or 'sources'!
His contract run's out tomorrow, if he's rejected a Fulham deal - then good luck to him....he gave us a very good season, and we move on
New news coming in....it was the sandal clause causing the problems
I not too worried about this, overall in the media it looks a little bleak, silva, paulinha, Robinson, willian, tosin and even a short mention of chelsea in for mitro (yeah right) all off.
Now I don't believe them all, don't believe many but if I was to pick a few that wouldn't set us back too much, it'd probably start with tosin and willian then id struggle with the rest.
We were doing pretty well at the start of the year when kebano was first 11 over willian plus we did well when Solomon was first 11 over willian. There is options already here in kebano hopefully in Solomon and its not hard to pick up wingers for somewhat cheap fees.
I wouldn't be giving in to demands if that's what willian is doing, I also wouldn't be too inclined to give him massive wages or a 2 year deal.
Saying all that, I don't want it to take away from how good willian was for us last year and while I'd definitely prefer a contract extension, I would also be pleased with good recruitment of a younger winger.
If the hold up is that we only want to offer one year then Tony has a lot to answer for. Even if that second year is a write off, it's still significantly cheaper than the £20m odd we'll have to pay to replace him
Quote from: JimmyConway on June 30, 2023, 04:56:24 PMThe biggest irony is that we offered Kebano another year? We have a quality Brazilian footballer who was instrumental in our success last season and is fit as a fiddle. Whereas Neeskens has had half a dozen good games at this level in three attempts?
Don't think you can realistically compare the two or what their indivual requirements are or indeed their individual contribution to the club relative to their capabilities are.
Meanwhile let's see what is going on in England financially - inflation; high energy costs; falling property market prices and all a bit edgy for investors, employers and employees. London could take quite a hit at the apparent fall in middle incomes becomes apparent. The delays on the new stand cannot help the Club financially either being a part of revenue.
There'll be a new pattern of global winners and global losers until stuff settles.
Willian hadn't tied himself down when he joined us last season and so why would he be quicker to do so now?
The news article is only appearing because as from now Willian has no present connection with FFC.
Quote from: filham on June 30, 2023, 04:40:24 PMOh dear, just say some of the other rumours turned into reality and we had to start the season without Willian, Palhinha, Robinson and Tosin.
Let's say that does happen. We would get £60-80m for Palhinha, rumoured £35m for Robinson, and £10-15m for Tosin. That would mean we would be in an extremely strong financial position, and would likely be bringing in a lot of quality. Having said that, I think Palhinha will likely stay regardless whether Silva goes or not.
The Khans are ambitious, that's clear, so maybe we all need to just wait and see how the next month plays out.
Quote from: filham on June 30, 2023, 04:40:24 PMOh dear, just say some of the other rumours turned into reality and we had to start the season without Willian, Palhinha, Robinson and Tosin.
And Silva................... Let's not hold back on the doom and gloom. IF it happens I'll worry, but not until then.
Quote from: filham on June 30, 2023, 04:40:24 PMOh dear, just say some of the other rumours turned into reality and we had to start the season without Willian, Palhinha, Robinson and Tosin.
And Tete, Cairney, Kebano, Solomon
Quote from: We Are Premier League on July 01, 2023, 10:36:32 AMQuote from: filham on June 30, 2023, 04:40:24 PMOh dear, just say some of the other rumours turned into reality and we had to start the season without Willian, Palhinha, Robinson and Tosin.
And Tete, Cairney, Kebano, Solomon
So what there would be money in the bank for whoever came in as manager. Yes Marco has done well but it is not like hiring a new manager when you are in the relegation zone at the end of the season is it
Quote from: Pluto on June 30, 2023, 07:11:47 PMIf the hold up is that we only want to offer one year then Tony has a lot to answer for. Even if that second year is a write off, it's still significantly cheaper than the £20m odd we'll have to pay to replace him
+1
I wonder whether more effort will be put into keeping Soloman. He is a lot younger so money saved by releasing Willian will go towards him. Just a thought.
If I was Willian after his performances last season I would be disappointed with a contract that paid the same as when we took a gamble on him at the start of last season. He deserves more money but on a rolling year by year contract in my opinion. Fingers crossed we come back with an improved offer
Quote from: Black, White and Fred on July 01, 2023, 12:31:35 PMIf I was Willian after his performances last season I would be disappointed with a contract that paid the same as when we took a gamble on him at the start of last season. He deserves more money but on a rolling year by year contract in my opinion. Fingers crossed we come back with an improved offer
Does it pay the same?, let's be fair we don't really know what the offer was other than 1 year.
Quote from: alfie on July 01, 2023, 12:55:44 PMQuote from: Black, White and Fred on July 01, 2023, 12:31:35 PMIf I was Willian after his performances last season I would be disappointed with a contract that paid the same as when we took a gamble on him at the start of last season. He deserves more money but on a rolling year by year contract in my opinion. Fingers crossed we come back with an improved offer
Does it pay the same?, let's be fair we don't really know what the offer was other than 1 year.
Do we know it was 1 year? How was that confirmed? I thought all we had was rumours?
Quote from: Sting of the North on July 01, 2023, 01:12:34 PMQuote from: alfie on July 01, 2023, 12:55:44 PMQuote from: Black, White and Fred on July 01, 2023, 12:31:35 PMIf I was Willian after his performances last season I would be disappointed with a contract that paid the same as when we took a gamble on him at the start of last season. He deserves more money but on a rolling year by year contract in my opinion. Fingers crossed we come back with an improved offer
Does it pay the same?, let's be fair we don't really know what the offer was other than 1 year.
Do we know it was 1 year? How was that confirmed? I thought all we had was rumours?
Yes you are probably right with that, until it comes out officially we know nothing.
Quote from: Peabody on June 30, 2023, 02:57:44 PMAccording to the Standard, Willian is looking for a new club. He is disappointed but just what are we playing at!
The club will not be held to ransom by any player especially one who is 34 years old even if they had a good season last year, you have to take the emotional attachment out of the picture in business
Apparently he wants £125k a week which is a lot more than he was on
Quote from: ElRay on June 30, 2023, 03:48:42 PMReally is worrying. This is the best position the Khans have ever had the club in and all signs point to we're heading to one of the biggest messes the club has ever been in, in recent times. ::wine::
Calm down
One of the biggest messes the club has ever been in ?
A 35 year old after a two year deal at 125 K a week
I'd say the Khans aren't stupid, actually quite the opposite
