Quote from: General on October 24, 2023, 09:13:47 PMWe have to bring in someone who has undoubted quality in Europe and ideally the premiership.
Jack Clarke is unproven and a risk in the same way vini, jimenez are.
We need a bonafide striker we can start relying on.
It was a mistake to sell mitro, deeply difficult to replace for a club like ours.
January will be extremely important.
Quote from: Whitestone on October 24, 2023, 09:22:35 PMQuote from: General on October 24, 2023, 09:13:47 PMWe have to bring in someone who has undoubted quality in Europe and ideally the premiership.
Jack Clarke is unproven and a risk in the same way vini, jimenez are.
We need a bonafide striker we can start relying on.
It was a mistake to sell mitro, deeply difficult to replace for a club like ours.
January will be extremely important.
The mistake was not replacing him.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on October 24, 2023, 10:30:59 PMHe wanted to go - we couldn't force him to stay.
Quote from: General on October 24, 2023, 09:36:08 PMAnd I believe we looked at signing both Watkins(Exeter)and Toney(Peterborough) and never took the chance where as Brentford did.Quote from: Whitestone on October 24, 2023, 09:22:35 PMQuote from: General on October 24, 2023, 09:13:47 PMWe have to bring in someone who has undoubted quality in Europe and ideally the premiership.
Jack Clarke is unproven and a risk in the same way vini, jimenez are.
We need a bonafide striker we can start relying on.
It was a mistake to sell mitro, deeply difficult to replace for a club like ours.
January will be extremely important.
The mistake was not replacing him.
That wasn't the mistake, they brought in Jiminez as a possible replacement as well as traore to sure things up. One is a sick note currently and the other is showing promise but is struggling to find the back of the net.
It was a mistake letting Mitro go, because getting a striker of that quality is particularly hard to find, especially for a club our size.
Brentford found Toney, villa got Watkins..but aside from those two it's hard.. hence why ge got the plaudits he did.
Quote from: General on October 24, 2023, 09:36:08 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 24, 2023, 09:22:35 PMQuote from: General on October 24, 2023, 09:13:47 PMWe have to bring in someone who has undoubted quality in Europe and ideally the premiership.
Jack Clarke is unproven and a risk in the same way vini, jimenez are.
We need a bonafide striker we can start relying on.
It was a mistake to sell mitro, deeply difficult to replace for a club like ours.
January will be extremely important.
The mistake was not replacing him.
That wasn't the mistake, they brought in Jiminez as a possible replacement as well as traore to sure things up. One is a sick note currently and the other is showing promise but is struggling to find the back of the net.
It was a mistake letting Mitro go, because getting a striker of that quality is particularly hard to find, especially for a club our size.
Brentford found Toney, villa got Watkins..but aside from those two it's hard.. hence why ge got the plaudits he did.
Quote from: jayffc on October 24, 2023, 10:40:45 PMLooks Like Gift Orbans valuation might be significantly lower than previous this January. Could be worth a punt, struggling for form so far this year. If he could be picked up for 15m-20 wouldn't mind bringing him in and moving on Muniz permanently or on loan if he's not getting game time.
Meanwhile Guerrasy continues to score in the Bundesliga and will surely be out of reach if we went back with another offer.
Quote from: MickTheBeard on October 25, 2023, 07:43:19 AMThe problem is more than a striker as a team with a forward missing or injured our team don't score enough,if you look at Everton once silva left without their no9 who is always injured they as a team they don't score enough,I believe the team formation needs adjusting
Quote from: ffc73 on October 25, 2023, 12:55:32 PMJanuary strikers, a Mitrovic rather than a Mitroglou please...Mitroglou was quality. Just never fit for us. But yeah, we need a striker that can hit the ground running. Other than Mitrog, Mitrov and McCormack the Khan's have really scrimped on strikers in their tenure. It's like they had the PTSD of an Al-Fayed-Marlet, without the Al-Fayed-Marlet. If that makes sense ::smile::
Quote from: Whitestone on October 25, 2023, 07:25:27 AMThe number 9 shirt has not been allocated yet.Quote from: General on October 24, 2023, 09:36:08 PMQuote from: Whitestone on October 24, 2023, 09:22:35 PMQuote from: General on October 24, 2023, 09:13:47 PMWe have to bring in someone who has undoubted quality in Europe and ideally the premiership.
Jack Clarke is unproven and a risk in the same way vini, jimenez are.
We need a bonafide striker we can start relying on.
It was a mistake to sell mitro, deeply difficult to replace for a club like ours.
January will be extremely important.
The mistake was not replacing him.
That wasn't the mistake, they brought in Jiminez as a possible replacement as well as traore to sure things up. One is a sick note currently and the other is showing promise but is struggling to find the back of the net.
It was a mistake letting Mitro go, because getting a striker of that quality is particularly hard to find, especially for a club our size.
Brentford found Toney, villa got Watkins..but aside from those two it's hard.. hence why ge got the plaudits he did.
I'm not so certain that Jiminez was brought in as a possible Mitro replacement. I think the club were planning to go with Mitro and Jiminez. Vinicius and Muniz were both linked to other clubs in the window. Unfortunately the best laid plans don't always pan out the way you want.
Quote from: alfie on October 25, 2023, 05:02:06 PMMoney down the drain is always a risk, you get a layer in but until they actually play you don't know how they will perform, that's why loans are good as you can get rid of them.You wont be able to get a quality striker on loan.
Quote from: alfie on October 25, 2023, 05:02:06 PMMoney down the drain is always a risk, you get a layer in but until they actually play you don't know how they will perform, that's why loans are good as you can get rid of them.agree, the money we got from selling mitro is probably being used to pay our debts. in jan it'd be nice to loan a striker from a well-performing european club, but i think its gonna be really difficult to build on last years success tbh
Quote from: Lordedmundo on October 25, 2023, 08:35:25 AMAfrican Cup of Nations might be a problem every season!Quote from: jayffc on October 24, 2023, 10:40:45 PMLooks Like Gift Orbans valuation might be significantly lower than previous this January. Could be worth a punt, struggling for form so far this year. If he could be picked up for 15m-20 wouldn't mind bringing him in and moving on Muniz permanently or on loan if he's not getting game time.
Meanwhile Guerrasy continues to score in the Bundesliga and will surely be out of reach if we went back with another offer.
Of all the strikers we have been linked with - Gift Orban looks by far the best when you watch his YouTube goals/highlights. His goals to games ratio is great as well when you look at his stats, even though his form seems to have has dropped off a bit recently. Different type of player to Mitro - but if he scores goals, who cares!
The fact that we already have three Nigerian's in the squad would also help persuade him to join us you would imagine...
Agreed on Guirassy.
Quote from: nina_067 on October 26, 2023, 06:19:21 PMQuote from: alfie on October 25, 2023, 05:02:06 PMMoney down the drain is always a risk, you get a layer in but until they actually play you don't know how they will perform, that's why loans are good as you can get rid of them.agree, the money we got from selling mitro is probably being used to pay our debts. in jan it'd be nice to loan a striker from a well-performing european club, but i think its gonna be really difficult to build on last years success tbh
Quote from: Twig on October 26, 2023, 07:14:17 PMWhere are Knockaert and Cavaleiro when you need them? ::wine::Quote from: nina_067 on October 26, 2023, 06:19:21 PMQuote from: alfie on October 25, 2023, 05:02:06 PMMoney down the drain is always a risk, you get a layer in but until they actually play you don't know how they will perform, that's why loans are good as you can get rid of them.agree, the money we got from selling mitro is probably being used to pay our debts. in jan it'd be nice to loan a striker from a well-performing european club, but i think its gonna be really difficult to build on last years success tbh
No club is likely to release a proven, quality striker on loan mid season. I just don't see that happening. We're more likely to end up with yet another bang average striker to add to our current triumvirate.
Quote from: ffc73 on October 25, 2023, 12:55:32 PMJanuary strikers, a Mitrovic rather than a Mitroglou please...
Quote from: Nero on October 26, 2023, 09:21:33 PMIf Everton get deducted 12 points and are struggling and need money a low bid in for Calvert-Lewin, not a great goalscoring record but reckon Silva could make himGood striker when fit.
Quote from: jayffc on October 24, 2023, 10:40:45 PMLooks Like Gift Orbans valuation might be significantly lower than previous this January. Could be worth a punt, struggling for form so far this year. If he could be picked up for 15m-20 wouldn't mind bringing him in and moving on Muniz permanently or on loan if he's not getting game time.
Meanwhile Guerrasy continues to score in the Bundesliga and will surely be out of reach if we went back with another offer.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on October 27, 2023, 12:30:25 AMOnly Six Players in Five positions (GK, RB, LB, DM and LW) have better significant better statistics than Vinicius and Jiménez, so why is the centre forward position being singled out? We currently have six weak positions filled by players (Diop, Ream, Reed, Periera, Wilson and Vinicius) that each aren't playing in their first nine games as well as they did last season. Each squad player has 11 games to cement their place in the starting XI or we should consider upgrading them.
Hopefully some of our players will return to last seasons form before the winter transfer window; but for the positions that don't improve before the transfer window our budget can probably upgrade either "one centre forward" or "any two other positions". If its possible, I would prefer two upgrades elsewhere maybe centre back and centre midfield to build our spine, than our than spend all our money on one striker.
Quote from: Nero on October 26, 2023, 09:21:33 PMIf Everton get deducted 12 points and are struggling and need money a low bid in for Calvert-Lewin, not a great goalscoring record but reckon Silva could make himOn the treatment table more than the pitch.
Quote from: hovewhite on October 25, 2023, 12:13:52 PMJanuary window trying to sign a striker I'm not holding my breath.
Quote from: ..FOF.. on October 27, 2023, 01:55:02 AMFOF this is an SOS to a striker that can come in and make an impact.Quote from: hovewhite on October 25, 2023, 12:13:52 PMJanuary window trying to sign a striker I'm not holding my breath.
First, one or two current strikers need to be let go, and recalling Jay is a no-brainer.
None of the management should be taking a holiday in December in order to ensure a successful outcome for this transfer window.
Quote from: Cobh Fulham Fan on October 27, 2023, 07:16:54 AMThere are three repeated themes coming through on this Striker thread. One - seems to be suggest we could maybe pick up a half decent but average striker (many names suggested) who Silva could use his magic on and make great. Well, if thats the case why hasn't that magic worked on the three current strikers we have?
Two - there seems to be a divide in views between what we can and should spend on a good replacement to come somewhere near matching Mitro's goal scoring numbers. Some suggesting it might be too risky spending big money (Mitro money) if that new striker didn't work out. But surely the bigger question should be, can we afford not to spend £40million or £50 million on such a replacement? we already tried the cheap band aid solution that has us where we are now.
three - Mitro, Mitro, Mitro, people just simply cant let him go on here. Lets not forgot Mitro was absent for more than eight games last season and we still motored on and won games without him - probably because everyone else was on song and their heads were in a good team spirit place. Our problem now, is because we are still in need of a striker, we are left with the yard-stick of Mitro to compare and measure the quality of others in the market. But has anyone considered yet that there is no other Mitros out there and as soon as we stop thinking Mitro and settle for second best, maybe then we can get our season back on track. Spend £40 million on the best thats available and if he can score only half the goals that Mitro had, then we'll still have a top half finish this season.
We really need to release the ghost of Mitro past from these pages!
Quote from: The Rational Fan on October 27, 2023, 07:26:54 AMQuote from: Cobh Fulham Fan on October 27, 2023, 07:16:54 AMThere are three repeated themes coming through on this Striker thread. One - seems to be suggest we could maybe pick up a half decent but average striker (many names suggested) who Silva could use his magic on and make great. Well, if thats the case why hasn't that magic worked on the three current strikers we have?
Two - there seems to be a divide in views between what we can and should spend on a good replacement to come somewhere near matching Mitro's goal scoring numbers. Some suggesting it might be too risky spending big money (Mitro money) if that new striker didn't work out. But surely the bigger question should be, can we afford not to spend £40million or £50 million on such a replacement? we already tried the cheap band aid solution that has us where we are now.
three - Mitro, Mitro, Mitro, people just simply cant let him go on here. Lets not forgot Mitro was absent for more than eight games last season and we still motored on and won games without him - probably because everyone else was on song and their heads were in a good team spirit place. Our problem now, is because we are still in need of a striker, we are left with the yard-stick of Mitro to compare and measure the quality of others in the market. But has anyone considered yet that there is no other Mitros out there and as soon as we stop thinking Mitro and settle for second best, maybe then we can get our season back on track. Spend £40 million on the best thats available and if he can score only half the goals that Mitro had, then we'll still have a top half finish this season.
We really need to release the ghost of Mitro past from these pages!
An alternative solution is improve with the budget we have i) the defence so we need to score less goals, ii) improve the players around the centre forward to score more goals and iii) improve the service to the centre forward to provide more chances which will lead to more goals.
Quote from: alfie on October 25, 2023, 05:02:06 PMMoney down the drain is always a risk, you get a layer in but until they actually play you don't know how they will perform, that's why loans are good as you can get rid of them.Correct but where is the top striker sitting idle ready to come on loan to the Cottage, only at one of the big six clubs I imagine.
Quote from: filham on October 27, 2023, 10:52:40 AMDon't know, just saying.Quote from: alfie on October 25, 2023, 05:02:06 PMMoney down the drain is always a risk, you get a layer in but until they actually play you don't know how they will perform, that's why loans are good as you can get rid of them.Correct but where is the top striker sitting idle ready to come on loan to the Cottage, only at one of the big six clubs I imagine.
Quote from: alfie on October 27, 2023, 12:14:57 PMQuote from: filham on October 27, 2023, 10:52:40 AMDon't know, just saying.Quote from: alfie on October 25, 2023, 05:02:06 PMMoney down the drain is always a risk, you get a layer in but until they actually play you don't know how they will perform, that's why loans are good as you can get rid of them.Correct but where is the top striker sitting idle ready to come on loan to the Cottage, only at one of the big six clubs I imagine.
Quote from: Cobh Fulham Fan on October 27, 2023, 07:16:54 AMthree - Mitro, Mitro, Mitro, people just simply cant let him go on here. Lets not forgot Mitro was absent for more than eight games last season and we still motored on and won games without him - probably because everyone else was on song and their heads were in a good team spirit place. Our problem now, is because we are still in need of a striker, we are left with the yard-stick of Mitro to compare and measure the quality of others in the market. But has anyone considered yet that there is no other Mitros out there and as soon as we stop thinking Mitro and settle for second best, maybe then we can get our season back on track. Spend £40 million on the best thats available and if he can score only half the goals that Mitro had, then we'll still have a top half finish this season. We really need to release the ghost of Mitro past from these pages!
Quote from: hovewhite on October 30, 2023, 05:48:12 AMNOTE TO TKAs far as I am aware, that is how we do it - but TK takes no part in the process - he signs the cheques, takes a bow and says come on you whites at the end
Nobody can guarantee how a striker is going to perform for his new side,all you can do is get one in who is in hot form for his present team whilst also has a goal scoring history of the last couple of seasons.
So whoever comes in it needs him to be properly
Scouted and watched in person like (hate to say this)they did traditionally whilst also checking his ambitions,character,team attitude
All this type of stuff which can't be done with a computer.
Información exclusiva de Santiago Giménez🇲🇽
— Memo Navarro (@MemoNavarro_) November 1, 2023
Me he podido enterar, y he confirmado, que el Fulham ha mandado al Feyenoord una oferta fuerte por Santi.
El equipo inglés quiere anticiparse, pero club y jugador van con calma. De momento, lo que seduce (y mucho) es el interés en 🇪🇸. pic.twitter.com/Q6pgB6nk7A
Quote from: IloveFFC on November 01, 2023, 09:40:15 AMInformación exclusiva de Santiago Giménez🇲🇽
— Memo Navarro (@MemoNavarro_) November 1, 2023
Me he podido enterar, y he confirmado, que el Fulham ha mandado al Feyenoord una oferta fuerte por Santi.
El equipo inglés quiere anticiparse, pero club y jugador van con calma. De momento, lo que seduce (y mucho) es el interés en 🇪🇸. pic.twitter.com/Q6pgB6nk7A
Quote from: fatboy13 on October 30, 2023, 07:29:34 AMAlejo Véliz From spurs on loan could be an option he's only 20 lots of potential.
Very quick player who likes to attack with the ball at his feet very different to our current options.
Like we've all said it's so difficult to get a striker who's in form and is happy to join in January.