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Disgrace whoever thought this was a good idea boycott buying the New England shirt. I hope the players refuse to wear it . The St George cross is our heritage.

Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on March 21, 2024, 02:37:15 PMDisgrace whoever thought this was a good idea boycott buying the New England shirt. I hope the players refuse to wear it . The St George cross is our heritage.

I think its possibly the worst looking England kit I've ever seen.

Unfortunately players don't have a choice, another example of pandering.

Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on March 21, 2024, 02:37:15 PMDisgrace whoever thought this was a good idea boycott buying the New England shirt. I hope the players refuse to wear it . The St George cross is our heritage.

It is a disgrace and this is our Flag  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
Mind you the FA is a flaming disgrace, full of quangos and jobs for the boys.
All they're interested in is what's on the menu at the banquet before the next game at Wembley whilst discussing the opening of an envelope.
None of them are football people, they wouldnt know the difference between a football and a snowball.

These suits should be made answerable for their traitorous actions and sacked. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

I like it personally

Whoever sanctioned that kit would have surely known people would be outraged. We have a flag so use it.

Any images of the annoying kit?

The kit on shown for sale on the Nike England site looks quite normal, with the 3 Lions badge.

Quote from: RaySmith on March 21, 2024, 03:49:00 PMAny images of the annoying kit?

The kit on shown for sale on the Nike England site looks quite normal, with the 3 Lions badge.

It is literally no different to the previous ten apart from one minor amendment that won't even be seen during the game... :lol:

It has a massive three lions on the front too.

Home or away? 🤩

Click below to buy both of our brand new England kits now! 👇

— England (@England) March 21, 2024

Quote from: RaySmith on March 21, 2024, 03:49:00 PMAny images of the annoying kit?

The kit on shown for sale on the Nike England site looks quite normal, with the 3 Lions badge.

The flag is on the neckline on the back of the shirt. Totally unnecessary IMO.

Is it supposed to be a rainbow flag? It's missing quite a few colours if so!

I don't have any real problem with it to be honest. It's barely noticeable.

"Joey Barton, a one-cap wonder whose international career lasted a full 12 minutes, has been leading the dissenting voices, claiming the kit, which the Three Lions will wear at Euro 2024, has been Rainbow-fied."

If Joey doesn't like it, it's a winner for me.

An insult to the English flag. Do not buy the kit!

You're only a real fan if you have the latest replica kit...

The only thing I find offensive is the price

Quote from: H4usuallysitting on March 21, 2024, 06:45:30 PMThe only thing I find offensive is the price

We heard you the first time.

I think the new jersey is very fetching.

Just another chapter in an ongoing scandal. The likes of Lineker, Henderson, Rashford, Southgate, the FA, the PL, FIFA, Nike Football et al enjoy wealth at a level most of us couldn't even comprehend, grasped with zeal from the threadbare pockets of the working class and from bookmakers, Russian oligarchs and Saudi princes. If they genuinely wanted to change society for the better, they could look at rectifying that travesty, but instead they continue to milk the sport for all they can, and cleanse themselves by manufacturing and supporting these ostensibly virtuous causes. So the ordinary fan has to endure Eni Aluko's punditry and wear purple St George's flags, and is gaslit into thinking anyone who objects is bigoted, all so the fatcats can feel a bit better about themselves. 

I lost interest in England years ago so won't have to go anywhere near it, fortunately. 

Disgraceful. The English flag goes on the front of the shirt and it's red and white

Quote from: H4usuallysitting on March 21, 2024, 06:44:24 PMThe only thing I find offensive is the price

Although I never had any intention of purchasing a shirt at £84.99 for a regular shirt is taking the mick and £64.99 for a kids shirt, it's not like they have reinvented the wheel and it has smart tech or a special feature, it's a plain white shirt with a badge and some trim and the other bits that aren't associated with the red and white of England

Quote from: Angus Telford on March 21, 2024, 08:41:29 PM...cleanse themselves by manufacturing and supporting these ostensibly virtuous causes. So the ordinary fan has to endure Eni Aluko's punditry and wear purple St George's flags, and are gaslit into thinking anyone who objects is bigoted, all so the fatcats can feel a bit better about themselves. 

What cause do you think it's promoting?

They've said it's the colours of the 1966 training kit

I don't follow England so maybe I'm missing something, but I really would recommend people stop being insane about this

Made in Thailand too be interesting to see the profit margin!

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Quote from: Angus Telford on March 21, 2024, 08:41:29 PM...cleanse themselves by manufacturing and supporting these ostensibly virtuous causes. So the ordinary fan has to endure Eni Aluko's punditry and wear purple St George's flags, and are gaslit into thinking anyone who objects is bigoted, all so the fatcats can feel a bit better about themselves. 

What cause do you think it's promoting?

They've said it's the colours of the 1966 training kit

I don't follow England so maybe I'm missing something, but I really would recommend people stop being insane about this

I second this, the rainbow flag for gay pride is completely different colors. I don't think this has anything to do with social issues.

St George was a Turk anyway

Quote from: blingo on March 21, 2024, 10:44:06 PMSt George was a Turk anyway

Was he a knght of the round table

https://youtu.be/dviEWs_VIG4?si=xz4BHJAYlrwayHYp

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Quote from: Angus Telford on March 21, 2024, 08:41:29 PM...cleanse themselves by manufacturing and supporting these ostensibly virtuous causes. So the ordinary fan has to endure Eni Aluko's punditry and wear purple St George's flags, and are gaslit into thinking anyone who objects is bigoted, all so the fatcats can feel a bit better about themselves. 

What cause do you think it's promoting?

They've said it's the colours of the 1966 training kit

I don't follow England so maybe I'm missing something, but I really would recommend people stop being insane about this

I second this, the rainbow flag for gay pride is completely different colors. I don't think this has anything to do with social issues.

The 66 training kit wasn't purple, and Nike brought this one out with the intriguing claim it would "unite and inspire". Anyway, you may be right, but their exact reasoning is somewhat of an irrelevance - the complaints people are making about this are illustrated by numerous other examples already, and I think the speed with which people have interpreted it as 'football wokery' is just a reflection of how fed up with that concept they already are.

How long have commercial sportswear companies been involved in making football kits, which they supply to teams in return for free promotion of their products?
This along with advertising on the front of shirts.

Nike only use imagery that they think will sell new product, and it obviously has to be original, ie, different than the preceding year's offering, to try to maximise sales.
They design shirts that they think people will want to pay big bucks for, using consumer research and their advertising experience.

In the olden days, clubs kept the same shirts home and away season after season, and there was no advertising on the front. Similarly the England kit.

But this is all related to the commercialisation of football - the connection of our national game to vast corporations like Sky and Nike, and the involvement of market economics, which influences the vast transfer fees and wages.

But it's all the corporate executives, like Murdoch, who are really on the gravy train of our once beloved national game based around local communities, turning it into a global brand, a product.

As for the 'culture war' aspect, the so called 'wokeness'.

 Well, after hearing Simon Jordan absolutely apoplectic on Talk Sport, I Googled  the new England kit, and thought I was unable to find the thing Jordan was on about, because all i could see was a standard looking England shirt for sale on the Nike England site.

Where was this grotesque, rainbow coloured shirt, that trashed our national flag, and caused Jordan's fury?

Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on March 21, 2024, 02:37:15 PMDisgrace whoever thought this was a good idea boycott buying the New England shirt. I hope the players refuse to wear it . The St George cross is our heritage.

That to me looks like a representation of the Union Jack and St. George's Cross combined, some designer's bright idea to sell more, very expensive, shirts.

Kit looks fine.

Quote from: Yorkie_FFC on March 21, 2024, 10:06:37 PMMade in Thailand too be interesting to see the profit margin!

I can buy a copy of these shirts for about 15 pound here in Thailand

The flag is hideous and (Scotland's) blue should not appear on the kit anyway. 1966 and all that.

It is a bit odd to change the colours for no apparent reason, but as I said, it's doesn't really bother me.

Still, it's got everyone talking about it, which I guess is what Nike's real aim was.

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Quote from: Yorkie_FFC on March 21, 2024, 10:06:37 PMMade in Thailand too be interesting to see the profit margin!

I can buy a copy of these shirts for about 15 pound here in Thailand

Should have said 22 plus p&p  ::wink::

Seemsto me a lot of fuss over nothing.

Nike have explained that during the early history of our national team we used blue and red as part of the design. Apparently they thought it would be fun to reference that early history by combining the two colours to create a purple effect.

So nothing to do with political correctness, gay pride, snowflakery etc. The far right idiots have just shipped up a storm over not a lot.

As to whether we like the kit, that's a quite different and personal opinion. I can't get excited about it either way.

People who love the flag have nothing going on in their lives so need something to cling on to.

Quote from: Holders on March 22, 2024, 04:56:36 AMThe flag is hideous and (Scotland's) blue should not appear on the kit anyway. 1966 and all that.

Don't we always play in Blue socks, to represent Scotland

I'm thinking it's the same as Iceland's hot cross buns....an advertising dream... it's made top billing in a lot of the media

Pink shorts and rainbow socks next

all the angry gammons on here ::scarf::

(https://i.ibb.co/ssKSyYW/Capture.jpg)
we had multiple coloured flags on the back of our 2011 shirt and no one cared

Just like how back in the day, no one used to put poppies on the shirt and no one cared. And we didn't have the last post played before every match around remembrance weekend and it was fine

 The idea that anyone gives a poo about this now is absolutely tragic. If they'd somehow changed the badge or flag on the front of the shirt then yeah I'd sort of get it but this is literally just a little emblem on the back of the collar. It's nothing

Quote from: Eton White on March 22, 2024, 08:15:47 AMIt is a bit odd to change the colours for no apparent reason, but as I said, it's doesn't really bother me.

Still, it's got everyone talking about it, which I guess is what Nike's real aim was.

Yes and people will still buy it too despite the price .

Quote from: Steady Eddie Johnson on March 22, 2024, 11:08:34 AMPeople who love the flag have nothing going on in their lives so need something to cling on to.

Do the Scots not love their flag? The Welsh, the Irish - North and South of the border - not love theirs?

Quote from: cookieg on March 22, 2024, 02:03:31 PM

Quote from: Steady Eddie Johnson on March 22, 2024, 11:08:34 AMPeople who love the flag have nothing going on in their lives so need something to cling on to.

Do the Scots not love their flag? The Welsh, the Irish - North and South of the border - not love theirs?

For me, no idea....not really thought about a flag before... it's a bit like the Fulham FC badge.... it's changed a few times in my lifetime.... doesn't really bother me

Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 21, 2024, 05:46:47 PMAn insult to the English flag. Do not buy the kit!

it's bad enough the establishment would rather celebrate the Irish flag than the English celebration of st George.
This abonamation should be scrapped.

It our heritage the FA are a disgrace for signing off on this I would like to see Nike mess around with the USA flag . Unacceptable boycott Nike and make this our Bud light moment. What's next the England badge

Quote from: RAY Rock ???? on March 22, 2024, 02:47:10 PMIt our heritage the FA are a disgrace for signing off on this I would like to see Nike mess around with the USA flag . Unacceptable boycott Nike and make this our Bud light moment. What's next the England badge

Now you are actually making it a real political issue by saying make it "our Bud Light" moment, do you mean English people or Straight people? Of all issues that have been protested why pick the one US equivalent that is about gay/trans rights? Jesus dude.

Most tolerant and diverse country on the planet.
But if you happen to say you support the cross of St George
you are labelled as a bigot and a racist.

I agree that they should not have messed about with the flag. Very strange decision - almost as if they are deliberately trying to create controversy/debate.

The design of the shirt is fine (far better than the last abomination) - apart from the stupid, pointless double v collar.

Quote from: fulhamfan on March 22, 2024, 12:08:17 PMall the angry gammons on here

Ah "gammons", a word that when used, invariably demonstrates all the characteristics the user is claiming to detest.

Also covers about the majority of the England football team's support base.

Shilton has said that "red white and blue are the colours we have on our flag". Coming from him, no further comment required.

Quote from: ffcne on March 22, 2024, 03:12:14 PMMost tolerant and diverse country on the planet.
But if you happen to say you support the cross of St George
you are labelled as a bigot and a racist.

Who has labelled people as bigot & racist for supporting the flag

Quote from: Lordedmundo on March 22, 2024, 04:02:57 PMI agree that they should not have messed about with the flag. Very strange decision - almost as if they are deliberately trying to create controversy/debate.

The design of the shirt is fine (far better than the last abomination) - apart from the stupid, pointless double v collar.

I doubt that they expected it to be seen as anything more than a neat detail that mirrors the kit colours added by some unsuspecting designer. Then people decided that it was changed due to woke or whatever.

Now we have 3 major parties coming out to condemn such an extreme non-issue. Back in the 'good old days' this would be treated as the non-issue that it is, but due to anti woke warriors it is now something that has to be discussed in parliament. People are so touchy these days.

Quote from: H4usuallysitting on March 21, 2024, 06:44:24 PMThe only thing I find offensive is the price

Yes, I amazed that any sell at those prices.

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Quote from: H4usuallysitting on March 21, 2024, 06:44:24 PMThe only thing I find offensive is the price

Yes, I amazed that any sell at those prices.

Yes £125 for a shirt is breaking new records. Still I wouldn't buy it under any circumstances so I guess that's irrelevant

I think it was a disgrace that England wore red shirts in the 1966 World Cup Final, but I don't recall any fuss. 

Maybe that was because it was all black-and-white on our TV sets  ::smile:: 

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Quote from: cookieg on March 22, 2024, 02:03:31 PM

Quote from: Steady Eddie Johnson on March 22, 2024, 11:08:34 AMPeople who love the flag have nothing going on in their lives so need something to cling on to.

Do the Scots not love their flag? The Welsh, the Irish - North and South of the border - not love theirs?

For me, no idea....not really thought about a flag before... it's a bit like the Fulham FC badge.... it's changed a few times in my lifetime.... doesn't really bother me

Well I love our flag and I am not a fan of the Fulham FC badge. Preferred the previous one

Clueless as ever, @JimWhite on @talkSPORT:

"Imagine if Nike, tinkered with the flag on a Brazil shirt!"

Yeah, imagine... pic.twitter.com/Vt1ZMYWdU8

— Footy Shirt Sean (@FootyShirtSean) March 22, 2024

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Quote from: H4usuallysitting on March 21, 2024, 06:44:24 PMThe only thing I find offensive is the price

£124 for a football shirt... give it a rest!!

I'm still a fan of the 1982 'Ray Wilkins' top myself  ::thumb::

Quote from: Twig on March 22, 2024, 10:52:03 AMNike have explained that during the early history of our national team we used blue and red as part of the design. Apparently they thought it would be fun to reference that early history by combining the two colours to create a purple effect.

So nothing to do with political correctness, gay pride, snowflakery etc. The far right idiots have just shipped up a storm over not a lot.

As to whether we like the kit, that's a quite different and personal opinion. I can't get excited about it either way.

I am not English and even though I support England in the big tournaments when Greece is not playing (which is not very often), the colour of the flag on the new shirt doesn't bother me that much.

However, I haven't seen the Nike explanation you provided (admittedly I haven't really spent much time on it) and only saw what Angus mentioned in an earlier post that Nike said that the "playful update" was meant to "unite and inspire" fans. Let's say the "inspire" part is because of the modern, trendy colours/design. How exactly does it "unite" fans and why would't the traditional red/white flag united fans?

Also, don't you think that you were a bit quick to come to the conclusion that everyone that didn't like the particular colour of the flag is a far-right idiot?

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Quote from: Thailand Mick on March 22, 2024, 04:13:44 AM

Quote from: Yorkie_FFC on March 21, 2024, 10:06:37 PMMade in Thailand too be interesting to see the profit margin!

I can buy a copy of these shirts for about 15 pound here in Thailand

Should have said 22 plus p&p  ::wink::

...yes and set up a link please... you'll clean up  ::wink::  ::thumb:: 

Nike
Rainbow flag for equality
Made literally by slaves living in poverty

Umbro or Admiral for England always 

Quote from: Fulham1959 on March 22, 2024, 08:15:22 PMI think it was a disgrace that England wore red shirts in the 1966 World Cup Final, but I don't recall any fuss. 

Maybe that was because it was all black-and-white on our TV sets  ::smile:: 

Red and white are the national colours and Germany won the toss for choice of kit.

Now Shilton thinks that blue is on the national flag. Idiot.

Quote from: Holders on March 23, 2024, 05:51:21 AM

Quote from: Fulham1959 on March 22, 2024, 08:15:22 PMI think it was a disgrace that England wore red shirts in the 1966 World Cup Final, but I don't recall any fuss. 

Maybe that was because it was all black-and-white on our TV sets  ::smile:: 

Red and white are the national colours and Germany won the toss for choice of kit.

Now Shilton thinks that blue is on the national flag. Idiot.

Does he mean the red, white and blue of the Union Jack?

The only thing that I find offensive about the kit is the Nike tick logo.  It will not be long before they incorporate it in the St George flag.

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Quote from: Holders on March 23, 2024, 05:51:21 AM

Quote from: Fulham1959 on March 22, 2024, 08:15:22 PMI think it was a disgrace that England wore red shirts in the 1966 World Cup Final, but I don't recall any fuss. 

Maybe that was because it was all black-and-white on our TV sets  ::smile:: 

Red and white are the national colours and Germany won the toss for choice of kit.

Now Shilton thinks that blue is on the national flag. Idiot.

Does he mean the red, white and blue of the Union Jack?

Presumably. The blue represents Scotland. He's known for his ignorance.

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Quote from: Yorkie_FFC on March 21, 2024, 10:06:37 PMMade in Thailand too be interesting to see the profit margin!

I can buy a copy of these shirts for about 15 pound here in Thailand

Should have said 22 plus p&p  ::wink::

...yes and set up a link please... you'll clean up  ::wink::  ::thumb:: 

https://www.facebook.com/somchai.jaidee.77985
this is his facebook page.

Britain has absolutely gone down the culture wars rabbit hole where nothing stories like this are used to distract from failing governments, rising poverty, the housing crisis and so on. Anything to misdirect anger away from the people really causing havoc in people's lives (the rich, basically).

Quote from: fulhamfan on March 23, 2024, 09:56:01 AMBritain has absolutely gone down the culture wars rabbit hole where nothing stories like this are used to distract from failing governments, rising poverty, the housing crisis and so on. Anything to misdirect anger away from the people really causing havoc in people's lives (the rich, basically).

Mmmm! Anyway they should not mess with the English flag

The fact it's rattled the gammons makes it a great kit.

Not English or British but today I learned that being proud of your country and not wanting to see your flag changed means you're a gammon 🙄

I flew back into Gatwick yesterday and there's a sign saying "you're welcome to the UK". I thought - "yep".

Nike PR "See, I told you all publicity is good publicity" $$$$$$$$$$$$

Quote from: Holders on March 24, 2024, 11:42:11 AMI flew back into Gatwick yesterday and there's a sign saying "you're welcome to the UK". I thought - "yep".

They let you back in.... I'll be having a quiet word with the authorities

Quote from: FreiBird on March 24, 2024, 02:58:46 AMThe fact it's rattled the gammons makes it a great kit.

Gen Z cringe.

Quote from: FreiBird on March 24, 2024, 02:58:46 AMThe fact it's rattled the gammons makes it a great kit.

Can you tell me 10 things that make someone a gammon.
Just want to see how many boxes i tick.
If you dont mind.

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Quote from: FreiBird on March 24, 2024, 02:58:46 AMThe fact it's rattled the gammons makes it a great kit.

Can you tell me 10 things that make someone a gammon.
Just want to see how many boxes i tick.
If you dont mind.

Here's 4: white, working class, middle-aged, male.

The sentiment is as vile as any other gender, class, age or race-based epithet but via some contorted groupthink the people that use it reassure themselves that they're still on the moral high ground.

On the plus side, for exactly that reason it serves as good indicator that someone is intellectually limited and debating with them is a waste of time.

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Quote from: FreiBird on March 24, 2024, 02:58:46 AMThe fact it's rattled the gammons makes it a great kit.

Can you tell me 10 things that make someone a gammon.
Just want to see how many boxes i tick.
If you dont mind.

Here's 4: white, working class, middle-aged, male.

The sentiment is as vile as any other gender, class, age or race-based epithet but via some contorted groupthink the people that use it reassure themselves that they're still on the moral high ground.

On the plus side, for exactly that reason it serves as good indicator that someone is intellectually limited and debating with them is a waste of time.

They mind their knuckles on the step when going through doors.

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Quote from: FreiBird on March 24, 2024, 02:58:46 AMThe fact it's rattled the gammons makes it a great kit.

Can you tell me 10 things that make someone a gammon.
Just want to see how many boxes i tick.
If you dont mind.

• Bright Red Face
• Offended by Everything
• Cry about a flag on a shirt that's been altered 100s of times but only now makes them tear up because the colours are sort of near something they're probably repressing
• Try to equate Gammon to actual slurs

Just a couple.

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Quote from: ffcne on March 24, 2024, 04:46:53 PM

Quote from: FreiBird on March 24, 2024, 02:58:46 AMThe fact it's rattled the gammons makes it a great kit.

Can you tell me 10 things that make someone a gammon.
Just want to see how many boxes i tick.
If you dont mind.

• Bright Red Face
• Offended by Everything
• Cry about a flag on a shirt that's been altered 100s of times but only now makes them tear up because the colours are sort of near something they're probably repressing
• Try to equate Gammon to actual slurs

Just a couple.

As much as I love a troll, you're becoming more and more boring in an attempt to be funny. Trying way too hard.

A question, now please be honest, apart from when the camera focused on it for about 5 seconds, did anyone actually notice it during the game, I certainly didn't.

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Quote from: ffcne on March 24, 2024, 04:46:53 PM

Quote from: FreiBird on March 24, 2024, 02:58:46 AMThe fact it's rattled the gammons makes it a great kit.

Can you tell me 10 things that make someone a gammon.
Just want to see how many boxes i tick.
If you dont mind.

• Bright Red Face
• Offended by Everything
• Cry about a flag on a shirt that's been altered 100s of times but only now makes them tear up because the colours are sort of near something they're probably repressing
• Try to equate Gammon to actual slurs

Just a couple.

As much as I love a troll, you're becoming more and more boring in an attempt to be funny. Trying way too hard.

Going back over Freibird's posts, he likes to quote posts from months or weeks before that he deems were bad and retrospectively troll/insult that poster. Not the nicest person.

Quote from: alfie on March 25, 2024, 08:43:15 AMA question, now please be honest, apart from when the camera focused on it for about 5 seconds, did anyone actually notice it during the game, I certainly didn't.

Nope, me neither to be honest. I get why some have taken offence to it. Grains of sands with this sort of stuff building mountains out of mole hills. I don't think Nike needed to change anything really, doesn't make sense but each to their own I suppose. I won't be building up blood pressure over it.

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Quote from: alfie on March 25, 2024, 08:43:15 AMA question, now please be honest, apart from when the camera focused on it for about 5 seconds, did anyone actually notice it during the game, I certainly didn't.

Nope, me neither to be honest. I get why some have taken offence to it. Grains of sands with this sort of stuff building mountains out of mole hills. I don't think Nike needed to change anything really, doesn't make sense but each to their own I suppose. I won't be building up blood pressure over it.

You are correct they didn't need to change it, but for me the 3 lions on the front is the most important thing.

Quote from: ffcne on March 24, 2024, 04:46:53 PM

Quote from: FreiBird on March 24, 2024, 02:58:46 AMThe fact it's rattled the gammons makes it a great kit.

Can you tell me 10 things that make someone a gammon.
Just want to see how many boxes i tick.
If you dont mind.

Lovely with a bit of apple chutney

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Quote from: alfie on March 25, 2024, 08:43:15 AMA question, now please be honest, apart from when the camera focused on it for about 5 seconds, did anyone actually notice it during the game, I certainly didn't.

Nope, me neither to be honest. I get why some have taken offence to it. Grains of sands with this sort of stuff building mountains out of mole hills. I don't think Nike needed to change anything really, doesn't make sense but each to their own I suppose. I won't be building up blood pressure over it.

You are correct they didn't need to change it, but for me the 3 lions on the front is the most important thing.

Yes, I do agree but I guess I still don't really appreciate why they felt the need to change the image on the black collar. I read their reasons but it didn't really stack up with whats actually happening. The cynic in me does wonder if they included to to try and overshadow the real crime of all this and that's the RRP of the shirt itself. Quite disgraceful.

Quote from: cmg on March 21, 2024, 05:39:58 PM"Joey Barton, a one-cap wonder whose international career lasted a full 12 minutes, has been leading the dissenting voices, claiming the kit, which the Three Lions will wear at Euro 2024, has been Rainbow-fied."

If Joey doesn't like it, it's a winner for me.

I wonder how many England caps the journo who coined that title has ??
Before autocorrect I had 'journob', so it is intelligent!!

It all comes down to a football decision.  Would you as Kobbie Mainoo, or even Kyle Walker, as you look at the back of your shirt hanging on the peg in the Wembley dressing room with your name and number would you prefer to see a:

a)'A playful update on the St George's Cross' or as the manager described, 'not a red cross'.

b)The real flag of St George the national flag of England

Despite their stratospheric wages, playing for England and wearing the shirt does mean a lot to the players and the controversy, with the helpful interventions by politicians of all colours, has probably found a home somewhere in their heads.  Not by much but as we all know it is fine margins that effect matches.

Did it effect the result or performance?  Who knows but England were below par.  Passion and commitment are important parts of the game.

This is a total cock-up by the FA that was entirely foreseeable.  Call them gammon or whatever but a large percentage (maybe most) of people in England have some sort of affinity with the flag of St George and take a dim view of foreign companies messing with it.

 

Quote from: Colton F.C. on March 25, 2024, 06:26:10 PMIt all comes down to a football decision.  Would you as Kobbie Mainoo, or even Kyle Walker, as you look at the back of your shirt hanging on the peg in the Wembley dressing room with your name and number would you prefer to see a:

a)'A playful update on the St George's Cross' or as the manager described, 'not a red cross'.

b)The real flag of St George the national flag of England

Despite their stratospheric wages, playing for England and wearing the shirt does mean a lot to the players and the controversy, with the helpful interventions by politicians of all colours, has probably found a home somewhere in their heads.  Not by much but as we all know it is fine margins that effect matches.

Did it effect the result or performance?  Who knows but England were below par.  Passion and commitment are important parts of the game.

This is a total cock-up by the FA that was entirely foreseeable.  Call them gammon or whatever but a large percentage (maybe most) of people in England have some sort of affinity with the flag of St George and take a dim view of foreign companies messing with it.

Are you seriously suggesting there is even the remotest possibility that even one single player put in a below par performance or that the result was affected because of a tiny little embellishment on the back of the shirt? 

I get that some English people feel an affinity to the national flag but others couldn't care less. To me it's a minor misstep rather than a "total cock-up".

Quote from: Twig on March 25, 2024, 07:48:43 PM

Quote from: Colton F.C. on March 25, 2024, 06:26:10 PMIt all comes down to a football decision.  Would you as Kobbie Mainoo, or even Kyle Walker, as you look at the back of your shirt hanging on the peg in the Wembley dressing room with your name and number would you prefer to see a:

a)'A playful update on the St George's Cross' or as the manager described, 'not a red cross'.

b)The real flag of St George the national flag of England

Despite their stratospheric wages, playing for England and wearing the shirt does mean a lot to the players and the controversy, with the helpful interventions by politicians of all colours, has probably found a home somewhere in their heads.  Not by much but as we all know it is fine margins that effect matches.

Did it effect the result or performance?  Who knows but England were below par.  Passion and commitment are important parts of the game.

This is a total cock-up by the FA that was entirely foreseeable.  Call them gammon or whatever but a large percentage (maybe most) of people in England have some sort of affinity with the flag of St George and take a dim view of foreign companies messing with it.

Are you seriously suggesting there is even the remotest possibility that even one single player put in a below par performance or that the result was affected because of a tiny little embellishment on the back of the shirt? 

I get that some English people feel an affinity to the national flag but others couldn't care less. To me it's a minor misstep rather than a "total cock-up".

Absolutely. How else would you explain that performance!

Quote from: Colton F.C. on March 25, 2024, 06:26:10 PMIt all comes down to a football decision.  Would you as Kobbie Mainoo, or even Kyle Walker, as you look at the back of your shirt hanging on the peg in the Wembley dressing room with your name and number would you prefer to see a:

a)'A playful update on the St George's Cross' or as the manager described, 'not a red cross'.

b)The real flag of St George the national flag of England

Despite their stratospheric wages, playing for England and wearing the shirt does mean a lot to the players and the controversy, with the helpful interventions by politicians of all colours, has probably found a home somewhere in their heads.  Not by much but as we all know it is fine margins that effect matches.

Did it effect the result or performance?  Who knows but England were below par.  Passion and commitment are important parts of the game.

This is a total cock-up by the FA that was entirely foreseeable.  Call them gammon or whatever but a large percentage (maybe most) of people in England have some sort of affinity with the flag of St George and take a dim view of foreign companies messing with it.

 

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿  I agree with you  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 25, 2024, 09:55:07 PM

Quote from: Colton F.C. on March 25, 2024, 06:26:10 PMIt all comes down to a football decision.  Would you as Kobbie Mainoo, or even Kyle Walker, as you look at the back of your shirt hanging on the peg in the Wembley dressing room with your name and number would you prefer to see a:

a)'A playful update on the St George's Cross' or as the manager described, 'not a red cross'.

b)The real flag of St George the national flag of England

Despite their stratospheric wages, playing for England and wearing the shirt does mean a lot to the players and the controversy, with the helpful interventions by politicians of all colours, has probably found a home somewhere in their heads.  Not by much but as we all know it is fine margins that effect matches.

Did it effect the result or performance?  Who knows but England were below par.  Passion and commitment are important parts of the game.

This is a total cock-up by the FA that was entirely foreseeable.  Call them gammon or whatever but a large percentage (maybe most) of people in England have some sort of affinity with the flag of St George and take a dim view of foreign companies messing with it.

 

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿  I agree with you  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

I can understand why players do not speak up about these tiresome kit charades, because they do not want to compromise their places in the team. It is up to supporters to do so or we may soon find that the three 'colonialist' lions have been replaced with three pieces of sports footwear ( one male shoe, one female shoe and one diversity shoe). The last few years have been extraordinary for daft football ideas. Expect more.

A lot of players won't speak out either as they have a sponsorship deal with Nike or another high profile brand for their boots or something and don't want to look like they are "stepping out of line". For me although not an England supporter, I find like all kits they are very overpriced for replicas even when the slightest same change has been made. Bizarrely England men's are in it in general for the "fun" as most of them donate their match fee to charity. Its surprising England do as well as they do, especially with the risk of injury.

'Woke' Guardian, football cartoonist David Squire's cartoon strip about this shirt controversy -

https://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2024/mar/26/david-squires-on-england-flag-furore-kit-collar-woke-things-destroying-football

I wonder if the BNP will start to carry flags with "a playful update on the St George's Cross".

5 pages on this now.

Quote from: RaySmith on March 26, 2024, 02:27:39 PM'Woke' Guardian, football cartoonist David Squire's cartoon strip about this shirt controversy -

https://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2024/mar/26/david-squires-on-england-flag-furore-kit-collar-woke-things-destroying-football

that is amazing ::wine::

Quote from: RaySmith on March 26, 2024, 02:27:39 PM'Woke' Guardian, football cartoonist David Squire's cartoon strip about this shirt controversy -

https://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2024/mar/26/david-squires-on-england-flag-furore-kit-collar-woke-things-destroying-football

Can feel the steam coming off peoples heads as they read this, faces more red than any flag.

Quote from: FreiBird on March 28, 2024, 02:31:07 PM

Quote from: RaySmith on March 26, 2024, 02:27:39 PM'Woke' Guardian, football cartoonist David Squire's cartoon strip about this shirt controversy -

https://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2024/mar/26/david-squires-on-england-flag-furore-kit-collar-woke-things-destroying-football

Can feel the steam coming off peoples heads as they read this, faces more red than any flag.

That was absolutely brilliant

Quote from: FreiBird on March 28, 2024, 02:31:07 PM

Quote from: RaySmith on March 26, 2024, 02:27:39 PM'Woke' Guardian, football cartoonist David Squire's cartoon strip about this shirt controversy -

https://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2024/mar/26/david-squires-on-england-flag-furore-kit-collar-woke-things-destroying-football

Can feel the steam coming off peoples heads as they read this, faces more red than any flag.

To the burns unit everyone. This kid toasted ya.

Expected some excitement when I saw this thread resurrected.
Alas...

Nike currently working on a version of this one for the next World Cup