And breath! 😮💨
Was actually 4-1 down until they chalked their goal off with Muniz rescuing a point with a superb bicycle kick.
Lots to discuss, lots of ups and downs in this game, so let's have all your Post Sheffield United thoughts below 👇🏻
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Unfortunately I couldn't watch the game but I was listening to the game on the Fulham website. Muniz sounds like he's turning into a top PL centre forward.
I think we'll comfortably finish top 10 but I think a top 8 / European spot is beyond our reach but who knows.
It was awful, it was brilliant, it showed the worst of this side with no back bone against a poor side. It showed the best of this side with great heart against a side that were scrapping for their lives. We deserved to lose 4-1. We deserved to win 5-3.
I am very confused and once again this side shows the inconsistency of a drunk hedgehog.
Nothing but praise for the lads, despite shooting ourselves in the foot with some sloppy play at the back, when we should have been well in front.
But well done SU for taking advantage, but almost feels like a Fulham win to me, such fighting spirit to come back from 3-1 down.
That was the most confusing and inconsistent performance I've ever seen from Fulham. We can barely defend against a team at the bottom of the league but yet we're able to score worldies.
With the amount of chances we scorned by hesitant shooting in the first half, we could've been well and truly finished the game by half-time.
Burnley, Wolves & now Sheffield. We have no killer instinct & Silva needs to sort out this passive, slow, walking football.
It's no use accepting these performances because "we're little old Fulham".
Players need to start playing like they do when we're behind from the start & bury these sides.
Like many times this season, we dominated the game until we made a silly defensive mistake from which our opponents scored and then we looked like conceding from every single attack of the opposition. Before that first goal, I don't think I've seen a less dangerous side this season. They looked like a National League side. We gifted them the goal and they started to plat much better football and we started to make mistake after mistake.
The defence (minus Robinson who I thought was okay) was horrible in that second half. Iwobi was really poor as well.
Positive is that we didn't lose this match, as I think we often do with these kind of matches.
Muniz's goal the highlight for me. Sublime goal. He was unlucky today as well with the two times he hit the woodwork.
Unfortunately, I think that that minimal chance we had for getting Europe has now completely evaporated, and I can't help but feel this loss was our fault and had very little to do with Sheffield United.
Great performance from Fulham - Muniz get's goal of the season...BDR another cracker....the stats were unbelievable......we had 24 shots & 14 corners.... Sheff Utd were very poor from not using ball boys/girls to throw the ball back, to continuing wasting time & very dirty fouls
Quote from: Lighthouse on March 30, 2024, 05:13:54 PMIt was awful, it was brilliant, it showed the worst of this side with no back bone against a poor side. It showed the best of this side with great heart against a side that were scrapping for their lives. We deserved to lose 4-1. We deserved to win 5-3.
I am very confused and once again this side shows the inconsistency of a drunk hedgehog.
:slap: ...brilliant post. Sums it up perfectly. What on earth is this side like. Sublime to ridiculous back to sublime. I'm so confused.
Fulham fans give match overview
No doubt those of us that have our hearts sold to Fulham will be pleased with that fighting performance but those that analyse things in a cool calculating manner will realise that a draw like that against a team at rock bottom of the table does not equate to a top half of the table finish.
A rollercoaster of a game.
Two updates from other games just cheered me up, Ch*lsea booed off the pitch again & Tarkowki is well past it.
On to another tough away game.
Quote from: SerbianLad on March 30, 2024, 05:21:46 PMLike many times this season, we dominated the game until we made a silly defensive mistake from which our opponents scored and then we looked like conceding from every single attack of the opposition. Before that first goal, I don't think I've seen a less dangerous side this season. They looked like a National League side. We gifted them the goal and they started to plat much better football and we started to make mistake after mistake.
The defence (minus Robinson who I thought was okay) was horrible in that second half. Iwobi was really poor as well.
Positive is that we didn't lose this match, as I think we often do with these kind of matches.
Muniz's goal the highlight for me. Sublime goal. He was unlucky today as well with the two times he hit the woodwork.
Unfortunately, I think that that minimal chance we had for getting Europe has now completely evaporated, and I can't help but feel this loss was our fault and had very little to do with Sheffield United.
Yeah all if s and but's but really we should be easily 9 points better off from the Wolves, Burnley and Sheff United games. In all dominated, not taken chances and huge mistakes. We go 1 0 up today we win that 4 or 5 0 but two gifts also gifted them belief.
Crazy thing is last year we beat ALL the teams below us and couldn't beat anyone above roll reversal this year. Also mistakes at the back leading to goals have more than doubled. 5 last year the whole season. 12 already this and not sure if that includes the 2 today so could be 14 and most in the league!
I love Tosin and think we are a better team with him in the side but said it on the match day thread...top 6 defenders don't make errors he does which is why he'd never start if he moved. He has has been the biggest culprit against Wolves and today and if I were him I'd sign the brilliant deal it sounds like we've offered him.
Just a note for Muniz again. Forgotten about a bit in the madness but hits the post twice with two brilliant efforts and we've been waiting for the overhead. Side overhead but absolute class. Just looks a pure finisher and what a gem we have got.
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Bonkers 2nd half. Marco will IMO be raging. Expect a reaction v Forest.
when it went briefly to 4-1 i thought that was it despite then putting a pound on the draw and the win.
for the neutral i bet it was a good watch and could be shown early on motd.
Was a real rollercoaster battle royale!! Sheffield with their industrial direct football, 1980s challenges allowed by a lenient referee while he obliged Bereton-Diaz's numerous dives. Sloppy play from Tosin again after Leno insisting on standing still on the ball until everyone is closed down and panic! Glad Marco subbed Tosin, I'd maybe drop him for next game.
Fulham should have won and the 14 added minutes showed VAR was honest as they chalked off United's 4th correctly. Once Tom Cairney came on Fulham looked more insightful as he tee'd off BDR's strike. Muniz showed what a prospect we have with a wonderful acrobatic equalizer.
Feels good to recover from a 2 goal deficit, their manager taking off McBernie who was one of their best players simply to waste time. He will more have regrets than Silva.
It seems to me we have controlled many games this season and failed to win, maybe not as much as today's but
we keep the ball and don't penetrate.
At least it creates a game where it's not open and we are at risk of conceding, although that's not always true as there have been games when we concede early by silly errors and the plan backfires.
So, here's an idea, in games such as today's why not play a more attacking game with the likes of Traore, TC & Wilson and aim to get in front with more dynamic tactics.
If we had nicked a goal first half we may have settled and run them ragged with no reply but we were too hesitant and over played when in possession.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 30, 2024, 05:55:26 PMWas a real rollercoaster battle royale!! Sheffield with their industrial direct football, 1980s challenges allowed by a lenient referee while he obliged Bereton-Diaz's numerous dives. Sloppy play from Tosin again after Leno insisting on standing still on the ball until everyone is closed down and panic! Glad Marco subbed Tosin, I'd maybe drop him for next game.
Fulham should have won and the 14 added minutes showed VAR was honest as they chalked off United's 4th correctly. Once Tom Cairney came on Fulham looked more insightful as he tee'd off BDR's strike. Muniz showed what a prospect we have with a wonderful acrobatic equalizer.
Feels good to recover from a 2 goal deficit, their manager taking off McBernie who was one of their best players simply to waste time. He will more have regrets than Silva.
tcs little dribble and nutmeg pass to assist bdr's goal and to also start the move which led to the equaliser surely cant go unnoticed by silva?
The only bonus from this game is that silva won't be happy and the team will be motivated after this performance.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on March 30, 2024, 05:26:31 PMGreat performance from Fulham - Muniz get's goal of the season...BDR another cracker....the stats were unbelievable......we had 24 shots & 14 corners.... Sheff Utd were very poor from not using ball boys/girls to throw the ball back, to continuing wasting time & very dirty fouls
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Muniz knocking in some great goals, Fourteen added minutes, late equaliser, sounds like a great away day.
The criticisms levelled at Fulham's performance today will levelled by most teams' fans against their own team, several times a season. Players are not robots and they can't be programmed to play perfect football every week. That's what makes football so interesting. It's called unpredictability.
Superb goal by Joao. Look at the way during his run he looks to see where the cover and keeper are well before he heads the ball. And Muniz - successful bicycle kick at the 18th time this season! 😅
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on March 30, 2024, 05:26:31 PMGreat performance from Fulham - Muniz get's goal of the season...BDR another cracker....the stats were unbelievable......we had 24 shots & 14 corners.... Sheff Utd were very poor from not using ball boys/girls to throw the ball back, to continuing wasting time & very dirty fouls
According to the commentary I was streaming, a new rule has been introduced so that ball boys are no longer allowed to return balls but their job is now to load up the ball rests set up around the pitch.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on March 30, 2024, 06:13:53 PMThe criticisms levelled at Fulham's performance today will levelled by most teams' fans against their own team, several times a season. Players are not robots and they can't be programmed to play perfect football every week. That's what makes football so interesting. It's called unpredictability.
Well said
It's difficult to say as Sheff United had it all to play for. Even Burnley got a result at Chelsea and Luton were in it until the 86th minute at Spurs. Sheff United will be mostly disappointed with drawing from being 3-1 up however it also feels like a defeat as thought we would have enough to easily win that one.
After so many decades of following Fulham, I assumed we were going to capitulate, and we nearly did. So many times we just seem to give up, but this team under Marco - Marco's Men - they don't give up so easily do they? I'm so very impressed with the initiative and desire to pull it back, and almost win it.
My big concerns from today, however, are thus:
1. Why do we mick about playing the ball so lazily and dangerously on our back line? Gifted them their first.
2. Tosin does NOT deserve some high and mighty contract. He's evidently full of mistakes, this isn't the first game doing it (several times today), and he's most certainly not bigger than the club. Let him go if he doesn't come to grips. We have Diop who I trust far more.
3. Shoot more! We were trying to had to be clever and tiptoe for goals, especially Iwobi today. If you get the chance, take the shot.
4. Be more direct. I love our smooth passing and elegant play, but at some point, if the openings aren't showing or it's not working - go direct. It's how we got back into it and tied it.
Chelsea drew 2-2 against 10 man Burnley
Quote from: Lighthouse on March 30, 2024, 05:13:54 PMIt was awful, it was brilliant, it showed the worst of this side with no back bone against a poor side. It showed the best of this side with great heart against a side that were scrapping for their lives. We deserved to lose 4-1. We deserved to win 5-3.
I am very confused and once again this side shows the inconsistency of a drunk hedgehog.
Brilliant post!
Why should Sheffield be more disappointed than us. we equalised in the second of 14 minutes of extra time. we had corner after corner and still couldn't finish it.
Our scorers did us proud, but our schoolboy defenders made this look and feel like a loss. if Sheffield were asked this morning if they would settle for a draw, they would have bitten your hand off. once again we remain parked in 12th spot, when it should be 10th - a loss by any standard.
Sheff had to win, they will be gutted but a great fight back by us who were clearly the better team. It's football, it happens, of course we should have won but that's not how it always goes.
Not the result we wanted , just too slow for most of the game and moved away from the more direct and compact play which recently made us dangerous , just couldn't consistently find any space behind them and they were able to get behind us and benefit from some our slow and indirect play , some of those turnovers didn't help either
You know these players are humans and all humans have off days when things you plan don't go to that plan.
We almost had too much possession in this match. Sheff United had 4 shots on target out of the 8 and scored 3 with our shot ratio of 24 shots and 9 on target to produce the same results. Possession wise we had 74% to their 26% they were trying to slow the game down granted but when you play to their game plan we end up playing to a 60-70% capacity and there becomes lapses in concentration where as they are playing at a 80% capacity it doesn't take much for them to turn the game and snatch it.
Quote from: filham on March 30, 2024, 05:29:58 PMNo doubt those of us that have our hearts sold to Fulham will be pleased with that fighting performance but those that analyse things in a cool calculating manner will realise that a draw like that against a team at rock bottom of the table does not equate to a top half of the table finish.
Sums up the Premier league because if you're not at it you get punushed
The excuse makers out in force again, wouldn't be FOF without them. I'm glad they're not in the dressing room. If silva is worth his salt, and he clearly is, he won't be pandering to that nonsense telling them they're 'human'. He ll be telling them it wasn't good enough, because it wasn't. Time for the players to look in the mirror and start turning up against the tripe in the league
Quote from: ffcthereligion on March 30, 2024, 10:30:20 PMThe excuse makers out in force again, wouldn't be FOF without them. I'm glad they're not in the dressing room. If silva is worth his salt, and he clearly is, he won't be pandering to that nonsense telling them they're 'human'. He ll be telling them it wasn't good enough, because it wasn't. Time for the players to look in the mirror and start turning up against the tripe in the league
Can certainly see it from your point of view. I guess consistency is what we need, if we want to be a average/good Premier League side around half way to Good/Great fighting for 6-8th spot we do definitely need to be winning the games we have and also the games against the bottom 3 both home and away.
Quote from: ffcthereligion on March 30, 2024, 10:30:20 PMThe excuse makers out in force again, wouldn't be FOF without them. I'm glad they're not in the dressing room. If silva is worth his salt, and he clearly is, he won't be pandering to that nonsense telling them they're 'human'. He ll be telling them it wasn't good enough, because it wasn't. Time for the players to look in the mirror and start turning up against the tripe in the league
Well I guess you never have a bad day congratulations.
Quote from: ffcthereligion on March 30, 2024, 10:30:20 PMIf silva is worth his salt, and he clearly is, he won't be pandering to that nonsense telling them they're 'human'. He ll be telling them it wasn't good enough, because it wasn't.
He said he was disappointed in the BBC interview so I guess you're right. Nonetheless, it was delivered gently which I suspect reflects the fact the players actually are indeed human and will therefore have ups and downs. Going into this game, he was saying the target was to beat last season's tally (52) and wasn't indulging, like some fans, in this nonsense that we could make Europe. Because he understands the reality that we'd played somewhat above ourselves lately, and it was inevitable we'd put in a below par performance or two before long. That's just the way it is.
Can we please get Muniz signed up to a long term deal asap
Quote from: Caedal on March 30, 2024, 11:04:26 PMCan we please get Muniz signed up to a long term deal asap
He is on a long term deal already (2+1 year left after this season). Although wouldn't mind a fresh 5 year deal for him.
Quote from: Sting of the North on March 30, 2024, 11:54:10 PMQuote from: Caedal on March 30, 2024, 11:04:26 PMCan we please get Muniz signed up to a long term deal asap
He is on a long term deal already (2+1 year left after this season). Although wouldn't mind a fresh 5 year deal for him.
I also presume that his current long-term deal is relative peanuts - maybe £10K a month? Obviously still very good money in the grand scheme of things, but to keep him motivated he deserves an upgraded (and extended) contract with, with new incentives and a very big release clause.
My favorite part of the game was actually Cairney's footwork before assisting BDR. Holy cow is he beautiful to watch at times.
It was most certainly the Good the Bad and the Ugly.
There are no easy games which is why i do not understand why some people think they can predict a scoreline and end up making themselves look like a Buffoon
Consistency is lacking because we do not build good habits which is the key.
These ingredients include attitude and application with lashings of appetite and energy.
The first 90 minutes plus are the most important, not the odd 10 mins here and there.
If you're having a bad game you can still run around.
We are not good enough at the back to play tippy tappy passing across the back line, it is suicide to do it.
This slow walking football is so predictable and invites teams to press the ball and creates unnecessary pressure.
We play far too much football in our own half allowing the opponents to keep their shape and restore their balance and watch us play around them.
The slow tempo is not only boring but it does not hurt the opponents.
Goals of course change games, but if we are conceding them at the back it puts pressure on the attack to score. If we are missing opportunities in attack it puts pressure on the defence not to concede and players play better when there is no pressure.
Nevertheless, we do not have that killer instinct and can at times look leaderless.
We play much better when we quicken the tempo and not keep persistently passing sideways backwards and fannying around at the back inviting pressure.
There is more than one way to win a football match.
If i was the manager i would not be happy to find ourselves down 3 1 and potentially 4 1 down against with due respect the worst team in the Division who could not beat a carpet.
But as often happens you cannot predict the script with Fulham, and we came back to rescue a draw out of the jaws of defeat, and of course the Muniz goal was sublime.
Yes i suppose momentarily the draw felt like a victory at the time.
But in the cold light of day it is two points lost for Fulham against by far the worst team in that Division, and that is not good enough in my book, and if i was Silva i would be far from happy.
He has to adjust the system of play, because we have not got the players to carry it out successfully.
If Scott Parker had been in charge yesterday he would have got absolutely slaughtered on this forum for the overall team performance.
So let us not overlook the importance of being professional in what it takes to win a game, and you need a heart beat and leaders within a team to win matches and play well consistently no matter who the opponent is.
The goal Muniz scored to save Fulhams blushes was mustard, but if that had not gone in, we would have been looking down the barrel of another defeat against lowly opposition, and how would we have felt then.
This Forum would have been steaming with outrage and rightly so.
Let us not overlook the cracks, and next week v Forest is potentially another unpredictable game against a team that has the ability to beat us on their day, and they will fancy their chances because we are far too predictable and this walking football is killing our game and does not justify the entrance fee to watch it.
Of course i was relieved and joyful that we levelled the score late on, pure theatre, but after the dust has settled the reality is that we still retain this soft underbelly.
A point gained at the final whistle with all the emotion surrounding the late equaliser.
However it is two points lost in the real world.
Quote from: Sting of the North on March 30, 2024, 11:54:10 PMQuote from: Caedal on March 30, 2024, 11:04:26 PMCan we please get Muniz signed up to a long term deal asap
He is on a long term deal already (2+1 year left after this season). Although wouldn't mind a fresh 5 year deal for him.
He had an amazing attempt in the 1st half when after the ball hit the post he tried to chip with his right foot behind his left!!
I think we play much better as a counter-punching team and we bore ourselves into mistakes against so-called lesser teams that allow us to dominate the ball. Cairney should have started because he knows how to unlock a defence.
Quote from: itombomb on March 31, 2024, 12:40:30 AMQuote from: Sting of the North on March 30, 2024, 11:54:10 PMQuote from: Caedal on March 30, 2024, 11:04:26 PMCan we please get Muniz signed up to a long term deal asap
He is on a long term deal already (2+1 year left after this season). Although wouldn't mind a fresh 5 year deal for him.
I also presume that his current long-term deal is relative peanuts - maybe £10K a month? Obviously still very good money in the grand scheme of things, but to keep him motivated he deserves an upgraded (and extended) contract with, with new incentives and a very big release clause.
Agree, except that I prefer to not include a release clause.
Less annoyed today thankfully. I wouldn't even be annoyed if it wasn't a pattern against the worst sides. But we've seen it repeatedly this season now and you can see it coming!
The end of the game just goes to show, when we turn it on we're more than good enough. Just a shame to only do so when the goal got disallowed at 4-1. Also don't think enough has been made of the first half, which had the intensity of a friendly. Oh well, we move on to Tuesday
Just seen the highlights, a great turn out of FFC fans, no win but a match they'll remember for a long time.
Quote from: SP on March 31, 2024, 10:40:41 AMJust seen the highlights, a great turn out of FFC fans, no win but a match they'll remember for a long time.
There was quite a few that left at 1-4 so they may now be regretting not staying.
Quote from: Beamer on March 30, 2024, 06:17:46 PMQuote from: H4usuallysitting on March 30, 2024, 05:26:31 PMGreat performance from Fulham - Muniz get's goal of the season...BDR another cracker....the stats were unbelievable......we had 24 shots & 14 corners.... Sheff Utd were very poor from not using ball boys/girls to throw the ball back, to continuing wasting time & very dirty fouls
According to the commentary I was streaming, a new rule has been introduced so that ball boys are no longer allowed to return balls but their job is now to load up the ball rests set up around the pitch.
Yes they announced at the game this new rule. Players have to retrieve the ball themselves for throw ons. Seems a ridiculous rule change and even weirder that they bring it in mid way through the season.
Quote from: filham on March 30, 2024, 05:29:58 PMNo doubt those of us that have our hearts sold to Fulham will be pleased with that fighting performance but those that analyse things in a cool calculating manner will realise that a draw like that against a team at rock bottom of the table does not equate to a top half of the table finish.
Yeah, agree, and clearly shows why we sit 12th and not higher. One word - - "Consistency"
Quote from: alfie on March 30, 2024, 10:17:50 PMYou know these players are humans and all humans have off days when things you plan don't go to that plan.
I respect your opinion, but I do see some rationalization here. I don't think MS will be pleased at all with this result. Sure, we're all humans and not robots. But these guys are professional athletes and well paid for their endeavors. I don't think MS is gonna say to the team or media, "oh well, the lads just had an off day, they're human after all".
We are a solid midtable outfit, and those midtable outfits have the capability to beat United and Arsenal, to both hammer and be hammered by Bournemouth and struggle to a point or lose to a Burnley and a Sheffield United.
It is literally how it works.
Quote from: WindyCity on March 31, 2024, 04:00:39 PMQuote from: alfie on March 30, 2024, 10:17:50 PMYou know these players are humans and all humans have off days when things you plan don't go to that plan.
I respect your opinion, but I do see some rationalization here. I don't think MS will be pleased at all with this result. Sure, we're all humans and not robots. But these guys are professional athletes and well paid for their endeavors. I don't think MS is gonna say to the team or media, "oh well, the lads just had an off day, they're human after all".
If/when SU go down they'll probably be leading the Champ., just as Burnley did last season, running away with it, and as we did to some extent - so they have quality, but not enough for the Prem, such is the high level.
I think we were controlling the game yesterday- and on another day at least on of our goal efforts would have gone in, and I doubt SU could have come back-
against a side with everyone behind the ball, just hoping to hit us on the break, which they did, with our too causal defending - a false sense of security maybe, though the SU scorers did opportunistically well.
But I'm sure Marco will have strong words about our defending, in the dressing-room, but I'm also sure that he will be impressed with the way we came back, when it definitely seemed we'd lost all three points - we, admirably, didn't give up, and Marco's subs seemed inspired too.
So, I see definite positives from yesterday.
Quote from: WindyCity on March 31, 2024, 04:00:39 PMQuote from: alfie on March 30, 2024, 10:17:50 PMYou know these players are humans and all humans have off days when things you plan don't go to that plan.
I respect your opinion, but I do see some rationalization here. I don't think MS will be pleased at all with this result. Sure, we're all humans and not robots. But these guys are professional athletes and well paid for their endeavors. I don't think MS is gonna say to the team or media, "oh well, the lads just had an off day, they're human after all".
Of course you are correct, MS won't be happy, and won't say anything like that to them, but the point remains that no matter how much we get paid, humans make mistakes and have off days.
Their plan worked, allow us possession, sit back, deny space then hit us when the opportunity comes.
They weren't good enough to actually make it work but we gave them a massive helping hand.
If we had scored first it would have been a completely different game.
Having said that we scored first at Burnley and threw it away.
Quote from: alfie on March 31, 2024, 07:50:15 PMQuote from: WindyCity on March 31, 2024, 04:00:39 PMQuote from: alfie on March 30, 2024, 10:17:50 PMYou know these players are humans and all humans have off days when things you plan don't go to that plan.
I respect your opinion, but I do see some rationalization here. I don't think MS will be pleased at all with this result. Sure, we're all humans and not robots. But these guys are professional athletes and well paid for their endeavors. I don't think MS is gonna say to the team or media, "oh well, the lads just had an off day, they're human after all".
Of course you are correct, MS won't be happy, and won't say anything like that to them, but the point remains that no matter how much we get paid, humans make mistakes and have off days.
I disagree that yesterday was an "off day". It happens too frequently to be put down to that.
We are just not consistent enough during games or throughout the season. Infuriating but we love them.
Somerset has it about right in his post above. Frustrating as it is, we are a solid mid-table side that can do better & also do worse.
If we could find that consistency we would be playing champions league football. Let's be realistic, we are not in that position and unless we add a lot of quality to our ageing team, we're unlikely to find it.
Quote from: ffc73 on March 31, 2024, 08:48:43 PMQuote from: alfie on March 31, 2024, 07:50:15 PMQuote from: WindyCity on March 31, 2024, 04:00:39 PMQuote from: alfie on March 30, 2024, 10:17:50 PMYou know these players are humans and all humans have off days when things you plan don't go to that plan.
I respect your opinion, but I do see some rationalization here. I don't think MS will be pleased at all with this result. Sure, we're all humans and not robots. But these guys are professional athletes and well paid for their endeavors. I don't think MS is gonna say to the team or media, "oh well, the lads just had an off day, they're human after all".
Of course you are correct, MS won't be happy, and won't say anything like that to them, but the point remains that no matter how much we get paid, humans make mistakes and have off days.
I disagree that yesterday was an "off day". It happens too frequently to be put down to that.
We are just not consistent enough during games or throughout the season. Infuriating but we love them.
Somerset has it about right in his post above. Frustrating as it is, we are a solid mid-table side that can do better & also do worse.
I give in 😂
Quote from: blingo on March 31, 2024, 09:17:54 PMIf we could find that consistency we would be playing champions league football. Let's be realistic, we are not in that position and unless we add a lot of quality to our ageing team, we're unlikely to find it.
Respectfully, I think that's a bit of a stretch. I don't see it that simplistic. I think just about any team that manages mid table in this league can point to inconsistency preventing a higher finish and even possibly European play. As far as FFC is concerned, we seem to play better v the top clubs, and even losses in many of those cases are just by one goal. Against the so-called lesser clubs we do seem to struggle. (This was not the case last season, we beat up the lessers and couldn't get a result v the top teams.) I don't really have an answer/solution, other than to say that this is a damn tough league, and every game is a challenge. FFC has some good players, look at all that get selected for country play, and sure, would be nice to add some more talent this summer, but this team as it stands right now could be doing even better. JMHO
The positives I take out of a game like this is that the lads did not give up and did find a way to get a point out of this game.
The negatives obviously some very sloppy defense. And the inability to possibly put the game away in the first half which we totally controlled.
But I prefer to look at the positives and applaud the late effort. Not saying happy with the result though, disappointing.
What do you think of Armando Broja? He was loaned out from Chelsea this season. I thought he would be good because he is young and has much potential. Unfortunately, he did not play at all and didn't make a positive impact for us. So, what do you think? Will he start progressing if we give him more time? Do we need to activate his buying clause?
I don't think there is a buying clause. The peculiar clause is his playing time,if he doesn't play we pay more for the loan.
I'm not particularly impressed with what I have seen sofar.
Quote from: razor05 on April 12, 2024, 12:03:32 AMWhat do you think of Armando Broja? He was loaned out from Chelsea this season. I thought he would be good because he is young and has much potential. Unfortunately, he did not play at all and didn't make a positive impact for us. So, what do you think? Will he start progressing if we give him more time? Do we need to activate his buying clause?
If for some reason we get an offer we can't refuse for Muniz then I would be fine if we purchased Broja for around 15m. Marco does seem to like him and he is very fast for his size so I think there is something to be unlocked there, but I really wouldn't want to pay much more than that and I really wouldn't be fussed if he goes somewhere else.
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It a big gamble and for me that's the max I would be considering too. He did alright with a run of games at Southampton - 6 in 32 but 2 of those were in the League Cup against a League 2 side so not the greatest to judge on. I hope we do keep Muniz but if Chelsea are valuing Broja at £50 million or even considering a sale to Palace (if you believe the papers) for £20 million then Muniz has to be worth at very least £50million especially as the likely destination would be to a top 10 Premier League side.
Quote from: Yorkie_FFC on April 12, 2024, 10:02:59 AMif we purchased Broja for around 15m....
It a big gamble and for me that's the max I would be considering too. He did alright with a run of games at Southampton - 6 in 32 but 2 of those were in the League Cup against a League 2 side so not the greatest to judge on. I hope we do keep Muniz but if Chelsea are valuing Broja at £50 million or even considering a sale to Palace (if you believe the papers) for £20 million then Muniz has to be worth at very least £50million especially as the likely destination would be to a top 10 Premier League side.
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I always have a bit of a chuckle when I see the Chelsea valuation for Broja, a player that can't even crack FFC starting XI, much less make the bench. That said, I agree, that a 15M-20M price tag might be justified for Broja. But I would also add your valuation for Muniz of 50M is suspect. This player has really no proven track record to justify that price. Still very early days for Muniz's career and development. Only 20 EPL career appearances. Just sayin.....
Quote from: WindyCity on April 12, 2024, 04:23:18 PMI always have a bit of a chuckle when I see the Chelsea valuation for Broja, a player that can't even crack FFC starting XI, much less make the bench. That said, I agree, that a 15M-20M price tag might be justified for Broja. But I would also add your valuation for Muniz of 50M is suspect. This player has really no proven track record to justify that price. Still very early days for Muniz's career and development. Only 20 EPL career appearances. Just sayin.....
I think 50m is probably not what he's worth given his resume, but it is probably the price at which Fulham would start to consider selling him.
I also don't expect the striker market to be as hot this Summer especially at the top end. Of the big clubs Arsenal need a striker but Havertz is growing into that role so that might not be a priority, United need a backup for Hojlund and Chelsea would probably want someone but who knows what they can actually do with their financial situation. Then for top targets you've got Gyokeres, Toney and Zirkzee from Bologna so Muniz is gonna be reasonably far down the list of targets and probably too expensive to get him out of Fulham given what he's done so I really don't expect him to leave this Summer or for there to be much of a fuss over him.
PSG and Spurs are wild cards though. PSG aren't thrilled with Muani and Ramos so they may be looking at bringing someone new in especially with Mbappe departing and there are rumors about Saudi wanting to buy Richarlison which would put Spurs in the market for a new striker. The other factor that could drastically change things is if Muniz gets into the Brazil squad this Summer then performs in the Copa America. As soon as someone puts on that yellow shirt, the interest in them increases tenfold especially if he were to score a couple goals. Probably no accident that Pereira's appearances in March was quickly followed by increased interest in him. That would likely prompt a late Summer bidding war for him.
What do you think of Armando Broja? He was loaned out from Chelsea this season. I thought he would be good because he is young and has much potential. Moreover, if you check out the SportScore (https://sportscore.io) platform, you will see that his stats are promising. Unfortunately, he did not play at all and didn't make a positive impact for us. So, what do you think? Will he start progressing if we give him more time? Do we need to activate his buying clause?
