Hope the subject header says it all? Did he pay any compliment to Fulham in his boring comments during the match?
Even the Match of the Day pundits tell you that blah blah blah are playing Fulham!
I remember the days when we had commentators that were enthusiastic about the game they were commentating on. They gave both sides fair opinion. We had pundits that were players and opinionated but they were usually on this side of entertaining and informative.
Now if I watch a game on tv I just turn the sound down or turn off at half time. The pundits are deadly dull and MOTD has become unwatchable with the matey dry and boring comments. Gary Neville I haven't watched for years wherever he now turns up on or which side.
So they don't make me sick just bore me enough not to watch or listen to them anymore. Oh for the days when football was entertaining and not full of talking dullards who say the same dull thing and concentrate on the same dull sides.
Quote from: Lighthouse on April 22, 2024, 10:40:34 PMI remember the days when we had commentators that were enthusiastic about the game they were commentating on. They gave both sides fair opinion. We had pundits that were players and opinionated but they were usually on this side of entertaining and informative.
Now if I watch a game on tv I just turn the sound down or turn off at half time. The pundits are deadly dull and MOTD has become unwatchable with the matey dry and boring comments. Gary Neville I haven't watched for years wherever he now turns up on or which side.
So they don't make me sick just bore me enough not to watch or listen to them anymore. Oh for the days when football was entertaining and not full of talking dullards who say the same dull thing and concentrate on the same dull sides.
Very much my view.
I remember Gary Neville geting a lot of stick on 'Mock the week'
I'm Glad I am not alone.
I love listening back to old commentaries by Brian Moore. He underplayed tough challenges and stayed enthusiastic at all times.
https://youtube.com/shorts/FaEBY2-Wv4g?si=1dzlMbW77CxVwD5U
Hats off to the fella in the JHS 👏
Priceless!
Quote from: davew on April 22, 2024, 10:26:03 PMHope the subject header says it all? Did he pay any compliment to Fulham in his boring comments during the match?
Even the Match of the Day pundits tell you that blah blah blah are playing Fulham!
Even Neville's wife boos him everyday day when he wakes up in the morning.
Is this the same Gary Neville who spoke out against one of the Arab regimes before pocketing millions to promote the WC*? Then was heavily ridiculed by Ian Heslop on Have I got news for you when being a guest presenter?
* Word Cup not water closet.
Thank you and good night.
Didn't he give the Qatar money to charity.....similar to Mr Lineker taking refugee's into his own home.... I think they're portrayed badly by certain area's of the media....
He is just a spokesperson for Sky Sports. Whenver an issue arrises that threatens the product of Premier League Football he is the face of Sky Sports to speak out about it.
He spoke out about the European Super League, the effect the Saudi Pro League will have on the Premier League and any number of other things.
The Premier is nothing more than a product that has to marketed and protected by Sky at all costs and Gary Neville is currently head of the PR department
I miss commentators actual commentating on what is happening on the pitch. I would hate to be blind and having to listen to the so called commentary, because there is none. They are all, including the 'commentators' just pundits who think we are there to listen to their drivel.
There were times on Sunday when neither of them spoke for 15 / 20 / 30 seconds because they had run out of inane comments and forgot to commentate on the match.
Also found it was funny that when we scored, Neville said something along the lines of 'its not as if Liverpool would have that goal was coming' then 30 seconds later they showed a caption that Fulham had had 65% possession and 5 shots in the previous 10 minutes. Pundits eh, what do they know?
Saw some of his old tweets calling la liga corrupt and all sorts.
Complete hypocrite 98% of the time
Motty in his sheepskin coat broadcasting from the Cottage was always enjoyable.
Tony Gales the only commentator I
Leave the volume up for,,,,,
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on April 23, 2024, 09:27:37 AMDidn't he give the Qatar money to charity.....similar to Mr Lineker taking refugee's into his own home.... I think they're portrayed badly by certain area's of the media....
I can see your point, though the one thought keeps returning,"A mercenary who gives all his money to charity, is still a cold-bloodied mercenary". A couple of charitable acts by players (and ex players-truned-pundits) still is nothing like the likes of you or I giving ill-affordeable monies to charity.
I remember cricket's Richie Benaud's theory of sports broadcasting;...
.."I you can't add anything to what the viewer is seeing, then don't say anything at all.."
Wise words.
Quote from: Logicalman on April 23, 2024, 09:35:01 PMQuote from: H4usuallysitting on April 23, 2024, 09:27:37 AMDidn't he give the Qatar money to charity.....similar to Mr Lineker taking refugee's into his own home.... I think they're portrayed badly by certain area's of the media....
I can see your point, though the one thought keeps returning,"A mercenary who gives all his money to charity, is still a cold-bloodied mercenary". A couple of charitable acts by players (and ex players-truned-pundits) still is nothing like the likes of you or I giving ill-affordeable monies to charity.
Exactly, most of that sort (Lineker, Neville, even the likes of Rashford) preserve their own obscene income streams first and foremost, the moralising and politics are fairly superficial I'm afraid. That's why it gets a lot of people's backs up.
Quote from: Angus Telford on April 24, 2024, 10:20:25 AMQuote from: Logicalman on April 23, 2024, 09:35:01 PMQuote from: H4usuallysitting on April 23, 2024, 09:27:37 AMDidn't he give the Qatar money to charity.....similar to Mr Lineker taking refugee's into his own home.... I think they're portrayed badly by certain area's of the media....
I can see your point, though the one thought keeps returning,"A mercenary who gives all his money to charity, is still a cold-bloodied mercenary". A couple of charitable acts by players (and ex players-truned-pundits) still is nothing like the likes of you or I giving ill-affordeable monies to charity.
Exactly, most of that sort (Lineker, Neville, even the likes of Rashford) preserve their own obscene income streams first and foremost, the moralising and politics are fairly superficial I'm afraid. That's why it gets a lot of people's backs up.
Most people who give to charity look after their own interests first, just like us ordinary people, I have just looked up both Gary's and they give vast amounts to charities.
Sometimes people are perceived to be something without knowing what they may or may not be doing.
Quote from: bog on April 23, 2024, 08:53:40 AMIs this the same Gary Neville who spoke out against one of the Arab regimes before pocketing millions to promote the WC*? Then was heavily ridiculed by Ian Heslop on Have I got news for you when being a guest presenter?
* Word Cup not water closet.
Thank you and good night.
No worse than Jordan Henderson and his rainbow laces. Off to Saudi quicker than you can say Gay Pride.
I don't mind Neville too much. So long as he doesn't get too carried away with trying to be intellectual he's tolerable. At least he can laugh at himself. Unlike the dreary double act that are Gary Lineker and Shearer.
Quote from: alfie on April 24, 2024, 11:37:59 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on April 24, 2024, 10:20:25 AMQuote from: Logicalman on April 23, 2024, 09:35:01 PMQuote from: H4usuallysitting on April 23, 2024, 09:27:37 AMDidn't he give the Qatar money to charity.....similar to Mr Lineker taking refugee's into his own home.... I think they're portrayed badly by certain area's of the media....
I can see your point, though the one thought keeps returning,"A mercenary who gives all his money to charity, is still a cold-bloodied mercenary". A couple of charitable acts by players (and ex players-truned-pundits) still is nothing like the likes of you or I giving ill-affordeable monies to charity.
Exactly, most of that sort (Lineker, Neville, even the likes of Rashford) preserve their own obscene income streams first and foremost, the moralising and politics are fairly superficial I'm afraid. That's why it gets a lot of people's backs up.
Most people who give to charity look after their own interests first, just like us ordinary people, I have just looked up both Gary's and they give vast amounts to charities.
Sometimes people are perceived to be something without knowing what they may or may not be doing.
You're not wrong but I'd level the same criticism at most of those people. Plenty of us (not
excluding myself) go through life doing things that are socially acceptable but nonetheless unethical, but it's far easier to throw an insignificant amount at some charity or Tweet something caring and tell ourselves that makes it ok, than it is to actually analyse and change how we conduct ourselves.
Neville is a two-faced hypocrite. He is outspoken and a poor man's Andy Gray because at least Andy Gray knew what he was talking about. Neville is infuriatingly "woke" until someone offers him a lot of money, then even his illiberal principles take a back seat.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on April 24, 2024, 08:32:48 PMNeville is a two-faced hypocrite. He is outspoken and a poor man's Andy Gray because at least Andy Gray knew what he was talking about. Neville is infuriatingly "woke" until someone offers him a lot of money, then even his illiberal principles take a back seat.
Please explain what woke means
The one that gets to me, as a co-commentator, is Andy Hinchcliffe Did he ever make a mistake when he played football ? He criticises everything players do, being so 'wise after the event' (obviously).
I don't mind Gary Neville as a co-commentator but I cannot abide Jamie Carragher, mostly his voice. However, none of us is perfect and, it's easy to criticise from afar.
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on April 24, 2024, 11:01:19 PMQuote from: Nick Bateman on April 24, 2024, 08:32:48 PMNeville is a two-faced hypocrite. He is outspoken and a poor man's Andy Gray because at least Andy Gray knew what he was talking about. Neville is infuriatingly "woke" until someone offers him a lot of money, then even his illiberal principles take a back seat.
Please explain what woke means
Awake to current trends. (I stand to be corrected)
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 25, 2024, 10:30:21 AMThe one that gets to me, as a co-commentator, is Andy Hinchcliffe Did he ever make a mistake when he played football ? He criticises everything players do, being so 'wise after the event' (obviously).
I don't mind Gary Neville as a co-commentator but I cannot abide Jamie Carragher, mostly his voice. However, none of us is perfect and, it's easy to criticise from afar.
I wish they did commentate on the game, but they don't, they are pundits, not commentators.
IMO, they just spout too much drivel and inane rubbish for 90+ minutes, which is so often biased.
Quote from: WokingFFC on April 25, 2024, 10:50:54 AMQuote from: Fulham1959 on April 25, 2024, 10:30:21 AMThe one that gets to me, as a co-commentator, is Andy Hinchcliffe Did he ever make a mistake when he played football ? He criticises everything players do, being so 'wise after the event' (obviously).
I don't mind Gary Neville as a co-commentator but I cannot abide Jamie Carragher, mostly his voice. However, none of us is perfect and, it's easy to criticise from afar.
I wish they did commentate on the game, but they don't, they are pundits, not commentators.
IMO, they just spout too much drivel and inane rubbish for 90+ minutes, which is so often biased.
It's only inane rubbish because you don't like it, they are pundits they give an opinion on what they see, they are not Fulham supporters, I've seen both Neville and Carragha give some fantastic complements to Fulham.
I think we as Fulham supporters can be very biased just as much.
Quote from: alfie on April 25, 2024, 12:44:04 PMQuote from: WokingFFC on April 25, 2024, 10:50:54 AMQuote from: Fulham1959 on April 25, 2024, 10:30:21 AMThe one that gets to me, as a co-commentator, is Andy Hinchcliffe Did he ever make a mistake when he played football ? He criticises everything players do, being so 'wise after the event' (obviously).
I don't mind Gary Neville as a co-commentator but I cannot abide Jamie Carragher, mostly his voice. However, none of us is perfect and, it's easy to criticise from afar.
I wish they did commentate on the game, but they don't, they are pundits, not commentators.
IMO, they just spout too much drivel and inane rubbish for 90+ minutes, which is so often biased.
It's only inane rubbish because you don't like it, they are pundits they give an opinion on what they see, they are not Fulham supporters, I've seen both Neville and Carragha give some fantastic complements to Fulham.
I think we as Fulham supporters can be very biased just as much.
I mean, there are some that actually believe that GJ is balanced.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on April 25, 2024, 10:31:54 AMQuote from: H4usuallysitting on April 24, 2024, 11:01:19 PMQuote from: Nick Bateman on April 24, 2024, 08:32:48 PMNeville is a two-faced hypocrite. He is outspoken and a poor man's Andy Gray because at least Andy Gray knew what he was talking about. Neville is infuriatingly "woke" until someone offers him a lot of money, then even his illiberal principles take a back seat.
Please explain what woke means
Awake to current trends. (I stand to be corrected)
Actually the original meaning of the word was; aware of and alert to prejudice and discrimination. I am always amazed when people use the term as an intended jibe or insult, personally I take any such accusations as a compliment.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on April 24, 2024, 08:32:48 PMNeville is a two-faced hypocrite. He is outspoken and a poor man's Andy Gray because at least Andy Gray knew what he was talking about. Neville is infuriatingly "woke" until someone offers him a lot of money, then even his illiberal principles take a back seat.
"Champagne Liberals"
There really is nothing worse
Yeah, how very dare people who have succeeded in life choose to share that wealth about a bit.
Outrageous.
Quote from: alfie on April 25, 2024, 12:44:04 PMQuote from: WokingFFC on April 25, 2024, 10:50:54 AMQuote from: Fulham1959 on April 25, 2024, 10:30:21 AMThe one that gets to me, as a co-commentator, is Andy Hinchcliffe Did he ever make a mistake when he played football ? He criticises everything players do, being so 'wise after the event' (obviously).
I don't mind Gary Neville as a co-commentator but I cannot abide Jamie Carragher, mostly his voice. However, none of us is perfect and, it's easy to criticise from afar.
Quote from: alfie on April 25, 2024, 12:44:04 PMQuote from: WokingFFC on April 25, 2024, 10:50:54 AMQuote from: Fulham1959 on April 25, 2024, 10:30:21 AMThe one that gets to me, as a co-commentator, is Andy Hinchcliffe Did he ever make a mistake when he played football ? He criticises everything players do, being so 'wise after the event' (obviously).
I don't mind Gary Neville as a co-commentator but I cannot abide Jamie Carragher, mostly his voice. However, none of us is perfect and, it's easy to criticise from afar.
I wish they did commentate on the game, but they don't, they are pundits, not commentators.
IMO, they just spout too much drivel and inane rubbish for 90+ minutes, which is so often biased.
It's only inane rubbish because you don't like it, they are pundits they give an opinion on what they see, they are not Fulham supporters, I've seen both Neville and Carragha give some fantastic complements to Fulham.
I think we as Fulham supporters can be very biased just as much.
I wish they did commentate on the game, but they don't, they are pundits, not commentators.
IMO, they just spout too much drivel and inane rubbish for 90+ minutes, which is so often biased.
It's only inane rubbish because you don't like it, they are pundits they give an opinion on what they see, they are not Fulham supporters, I've seen both Neville and Carragha give some fantastic complements to Fulham.
I think we as Fulham supporters can be very biased just as much.
So you can read my mind can you? Thought not. So don't tell me why I think its inane!
You said co commentator, not me, I said they were pundits.
Just so you are aware, compliments are no commentary! I could not give a monkeys whether they compliment us, I want to listen to commentary of the game. As for supporters being biased, of course they will be - but they are not supporters being biased, they are professional, paid pundits / commentators which is totally different to supporters!!!!!!!!
A lot of their 'comments' have nothing to do with the game being played. If even one of them commentated on what was happening it would be different, it would help the partially sighted know what was happening. If you care to listen back to the 'commentary' from the game you will notice long periods of dead time with nothing being said, yet the ball is in play.
Quote from: Twig on April 25, 2024, 02:51:28 PMQuote from: Fulham1959 on April 25, 2024, 10:31:54 AMQuote from: H4usuallysitting on April 24, 2024, 11:01:19 PMQuote from: Nick Bateman on April 24, 2024, 08:32:48 PMNeville is a two-faced hypocrite. He is outspoken and a poor man's Andy Gray because at least Andy Gray knew what he was talking about. Neville is infuriatingly "woke" until someone offers him a lot of money, then even his illiberal principles take a back seat.
Please explain what woke means
Awake to current trends. (I stand to be corrected)
Actually the original meaning of the word was; aware of and alert to prejudice and discrimination. I am always amazed when people use the term as an intended jibe or insult, personally I take any such accusations as a compliment.
Its just the new 'social justice warrior' before it was hijacked so both extremes. On the 'left' side of it, they took social awareness to mean, micro aggressions, or cultural appropriation, essentially muddying the waters (to some at least), whilst the right, took those extremes to conflate, the actual important things, glossing over social justice to the point of ridicule. Always the same sadly. Starts out well meaning, get's hijacked, largely by a vocal minority, which then gets ridiculed and watered down to very little meaning.
I recall 'feminism' has had the same treatment. Conflating the support for womans rights, to that of man hating. As always, there's a middle ground where these terms can be used sensibly, but sadly, the people that shout the loudest, tend to also be the cretins that devalue such words (again, on both sides).
Quote from: WokingFFC on April 25, 2024, 04:42:04 PMQuote from: alfie on April 25, 2024, 12:44:04 PMQuote from: WokingFFC on April 25, 2024, 10:50:54 AMQuote from: Fulham1959 on April 25, 2024, 10:30:21 AMThe one that gets to me, as a co-commentator, is Andy Hinchcliffe Did he ever make a mistake when he played football ? He criticises everything players do, being so 'wise after the event' (obviously).
I don't mind Gary Neville as a co-commentator but I cannot abide Jamie Carragher, mostly his voice. However, none of us is perfect and, it's easy to criticise from afar.
Quote from: alfie on April 25, 2024, 12:44:04 PMQuote from: WokingFFC on April 25, 2024, 10:50:54 AMQuote from: Fulham1959 on April 25, 2024, 10:30:21 AMThe one that gets to me, as a co-commentator, is Andy Hinchcliffe Did he ever make a mistake when he played football ? He criticises everything players do, being so 'wise after the event' (obviously).
I don't mind Gary Neville as a co-commentator but I cannot abide Jamie Carragher, mostly his voice. However, none of us is perfect and, it's easy to criticise from afar.
I wish they did commentate on the game, but they don't, they are pundits, not commentators.
IMO, they just spout too much drivel and inane rubbish for 90+ minutes, which is so often biased.
It's only inane rubbish because you don't like it, they are pundits they give an opinion on what they see, they are not Fulham supporters, I've seen both Neville and Carragha give some fantastic complements to Fulham.
I think we as Fulham supporters can be very biased just as much.
I wish they did commentate on the game, but they don't, they are pundits, not commentators.
IMO, they just spout too much drivel and inane rubbish for 90+ minutes, which is so often biased.
It's only inane rubbish because you don't like it, they are pundits they give an opinion on what they see, they are not Fulham supporters, I've seen both Neville and Carragha give some fantastic complements to Fulham.
I think we as Fulham supporters can be very biased just as much.
So you can read my mind can you? Thought not. So don't tell me why I think its inane!
You said co commentator, not me, I said they were pundits.
Just so you are aware, compliments are no commentary! I could not give a monkeys whether they compliment us, I want to listen to commentary of the game. As for supporters being biased, of course they will be - but they are not supporters being biased, they are professional, paid pundits / commentators which is totally different to supporters!!!!!!!!
A lot of their 'comments' have nothing to do with the game being played. If even one of them commentated on what was happening it would be different, it would help the partially sighted know what was happening. If you care to listen back to the 'commentary' from the game you will notice long periods of dead time with nothing being said, yet the ball is in play.
If you say so.
Quote from: WokingFFC on April 25, 2024, 04:42:04 PMIf you care to listen back to the 'commentary' from the game you will notice long periods of dead time with nothing being said, yet the ball is in play.
Maybe the commentators are taking the advice of someone whom many consider to be one of sports' finest-ever commentators:
Quote from: ron on April 24, 2024, 02:32:01 AMI remember cricket's Richie Benaud's theory of sports broadcasting;...
.."I you can't add anything to what the viewer is seeing, then don't say anything at all.."
Wise words.
WOKE = World Of Knobhead Extremists.
Quote from: sarnian on April 25, 2024, 09:02:39 PMWOKE = World Of Knobhead Extremists.
You're going to have to expand on this for me a little, because I really don't understand what you are getting at!
Quote from: Somerset Fulham on April 25, 2024, 04:34:17 PMYeah, how very dare people who have succeeded in life choose to share that wealth about a bit.
Outrageous.
Ok so first of all isn't the whole "stop having a go at people who have succeeded in life" angle a bit Tory for you mate? 😉
But more seriously I think you're being a bit disingenuous and actually understand full well the points being made by Lineker's critics.
So you do yourself a disservice with dogmatic, tribal dismissals like this when you could at least contribute to the discussion with a semi-reasonable counterargument.
Same goes for those claiming they don't understand how "woke" can be pejorative, I think.
Quote from: Angus Telford on April 26, 2024, 02:31:13 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on April 25, 2024, 04:34:17 PMYeah, how very dare people who have succeeded in life choose to share that wealth about a bit.
Outrageous.
Ok so first of all isn't the whole "stop having a go at people who have succeeded in life" angle a bit Tory for you mate? 😉
But more seriously I think you're being a bit disingenuous and actually understand full well the points being made by Lineker's critics.
So you do yourself a disservice with dogmatic, tribal dismissals like this when you could at least contribute to the discussion with a semi-reasonable counterargument.
Same goes for those claiming they don't understand how "woke" can be pejorative, I think.
I'm a little confused with all this Lineker stuff, maybe I have had my head in the sand, but what has he done to make people have a go at him?, personally I watch motd and I don't have an issue with him.
Quote from: alfie on April 26, 2024, 03:30:41 PMQuote from: Angus Telford on April 26, 2024, 02:31:13 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on April 25, 2024, 04:34:17 PMYeah, how very dare people who have succeeded in life choose to share that wealth about a bit.
Outrageous.
Ok so first of all isn't the whole "stop having a go at people who have succeeded in life" angle a bit Tory for you mate? 😉
But more seriously I think you're being a bit disingenuous and actually understand full well the points being made by Lineker's critics.
So you do yourself a disservice with dogmatic, tribal dismissals like this when you could at least contribute to the discussion with a semi-reasonable counterargument.
Same goes for those claiming they don't understand how "woke" can be pejorative, I think.
I'm a little confused with all this Lineker stuff, maybe I have had my head in the sand, but what has he done to make people have a go at him?, personally I watch motd and I don't have an issue with him.
Don't think anyone would criticise him for what he does on MOTD, he's undeniably an articulate and charismatic presenter (albeit not worth £1.5m or whatever absurd amount he's paid now)
Quote from: Angus Telford on April 26, 2024, 02:31:13 PMQuote from: Somerset Fulham on April 25, 2024, 04:34:17 PMYeah, how very dare people who have succeeded in life choose to share that wealth about a bit.
Outrageous.
Ok so first of all isn't the whole "stop having a go at people who have succeeded in life" angle a bit Tory for you mate? 😉
But more seriously I think you're being a bit disingenuous and actually understand full well the points being made by Lineker's critics.
So you do yourself a disservice with dogmatic, tribal dismissals like this when you could at least contribute to the discussion with a semi-reasonable counterargument.
Same goes for those claiming they don't understand how "woke" can be pejorative, I think.
I agree that the arguments in this thread merit a more sensible and less prejudiced discussion than has thus far occurred.
However, in fairness to Somerset, the post you quote is a reply to one of Perry Geyton's quoting Nick Bateman. To me, Somerset has merely responded to the aforementioned forum members 'in their own language', so to speak.
Quote from: alfie on April 24, 2024, 11:37:59 AMQuote from: Angus Telford on April 24, 2024, 10:20:25 AMQuote from: Logicalman on April 23, 2024, 09:35:01 PMQuote from: H4usuallysitting on April 23, 2024, 09:27:37 AMDidn't he give the Qatar money to charity.....similar to Mr Lineker taking refugee's into his own home.... I think they're portrayed badly by certain area's of the media....
I can see your point, though the one thought keeps returning,"A mercenary who gives all his money to charity, is still a cold-bloodied mercenary". A couple of charitable acts by players (and ex players-truned-pundits) still is nothing like the likes of you or I giving ill-affordeable monies to charity.
Exactly, most of that sort (Lineker, Neville, even the likes of Rashford) preserve their own obscene income streams first and foremost, the moralising and politics are fairly superficial I'm afraid. That's why it gets a lot of people's backs up.
Most people who give to charity look after their own interests first, just like us ordinary people, I have just looked up both Gary's and they give vast amounts to charities.
Sometimes people are perceived to be something without knowing what they may or may not be doing.
I cannot disagree, generally, with what you say, motivation is a great factor, though I would counter that, generally, 'ordinary' people have a lot less agendas than those of fiscal privilege.
Case specific could be the 'Qatar money'. Without pressing the point regarding Qatar and it's attitude towards HR, and especially surrounding the WCF it hosted, my personal opinion is that anyone taking money for speaking out in their favour or support, is simply just taking blood money, notwithstanding it's intended or eventual usage for good. Thus, simply transferring the suffering of one group to the advantage of another.
Good discussion. If I go to a pub there is often no sound on which is perfect. When I watch at home, I usually have sound on but very quietly.
Too much dirty money in premier football now, dull, boring commentators.
Exception, as mentioned, Tony Gale. He is excellent, fair minded and intelligent and only comments when it is worthy.
Sam Whatisface is the worst commentator I've heard for a while.
