FoF MOTM Bournemouth 1v3 Fulham and Post Match Thread = Sess

[WolverineFFC]

Sure Semenyo did Castagne for the goal but that was the first time all game and nobody could see what he was coming after that.

We are injury ravaged, playing a new(ish) formation and we held them at arms length until that happened.  These players are humans, not robots. 

Anyway, I am out of here until Monday because this place is already a cesspit and it is much better when it is not like that. 

Yeah, I'm not too upset with TC and Castagne getting beat. They have limitations as players which were on display.

What I'm surprised to see is how little discussion there has been of Berge. I was one of his biggest supporters last season and thought he was excellent. This season he has been so disappointing. His contributions today were almost non existent. The issue is Marco has so few options in the middle but I think he needs to consider dropping him out of the starting lineup next match and putting Lukic deep. The CB's need a better shield than he is providing.

[ffc73]

Iraola deserves credit as he replaced CB Marcos Senesi with winger Ben Gannon-Doak in a tactical reshuffle when we were 1-0 up.

We couldn't handle their attacking overload & with us lacking a striker Iraola could take the risk.

As soon as they went 2-1 he took Brooks off & put another CB on.

[Whitestone]

Two absolute worldies did for us tonight, the last one was just us chasing the game.  People need to stop crying like children every time we lose a game.

I thought that Castagne was great tonight, all the way up until Semanyo got away from him that one time. 

Tonight was unlucky, it seems to be a bit of a theme so far this season.

Mate I don't think you can criticise others like that and claim the two goals were worldies. Decent finishes perhaps but both completely avoidable with some mature and basic fundamental principles enacted. Castagne for first, Cairney should be taking the yellow for the second but he flopped around on tired legs and just gave up.

I'm all up for not crying when we've been outplayed but that was another capitulation for us and even worse, wise heads letting the side down. 

It wasn't a capitulation, far from it. We played well for a lot of the game and didn't deserve that result tonight. We weren't at full strength which is possibly why we gave away goals one and two. Cairney made a difference when he came on but there is no way Kluivert gets the space for the equaliser with Lukic on the pitch. I can't be so certain that Tete would have stopped Semenyo for the first but  you never know ?

[Plodder]

Hard to pick a MoM. I am not saying everyone or even anyone was terrible, but even those who had good moments also struggled at times, and no one was outstanding throughout the 90 minutes. For example, Sessegnon's run and finish were excellent, but other parts of his game were average at best, most noticeably when defending against Brooks in the second half. Chuckwueze had some good moments, but also lost the ball too often, and 30 minutes isn't enough time to get a MoM award anyway.  Cairney's passing controlled the midfield well, but he was found out by Kluivert for their crucial second goal.

It was a performance which left me uneasy. I don't believe in over reacting to wins or losses, so I won't say we are in a relegation battle yet, but right now I am looking downwards at the table with a bit of disquiet, rather than upwards with optimism.

[SerbianLad]

After seeing how he got some stick both here and on Twitter, and also he was one of my candidates anyway, I went with Diop in the end. Very underrated player. His passing isn't always great, but he's rock solid 99% of the time.

[Bassey the warrior]

Gotta be Leno, he made a number of great saves, though he didn't cover himself in glory for the first goal.

[Bassey the warrior]

Sure Semenyo did Castagne for the goal but that was the first time all game and nobody could see what he was coming after that.

We are injury ravaged, playing a new(ish) formation and we held them at arms length until that happened.  These players are humans, not robots. 

Anyway, I am out of here until Monday because this place is already a cesspit and it is much better when it is not like that. 

Yeah, I'm not too upset with TC and Castagne getting beat. They have limitations as players which were on display.

What I'm surprised to see is how little discussion there has been of Berge. I was one of his biggest supporters last season and thought he was excellent. This season he has been so disappointing. His contributions today were almost non existent. The issue is Marco has so few options in the middle but I think he needs to consider dropping him out of the starting lineup next match and putting Lukic deep. The CB's need a better shield than he is providing.

Agree about Berge, he rarely dominates defensively given his physique. Offensively he's far too cautious in possession.

[southwest6]

After seeing how he got some stick both here and on Twitter, and also he was one of my candidates anyway, I went with Diop in the end. Very underrated player. His passing isn't always great, but he's rock solid 99% of the time.

I like Diop and think he was ok last night, but nowhere near our best player IMO. His biggest shortcoming is his ability on the ball. You could see that every time the ball was played to him, the Bournemouth press was triggered - and more often than not - our flow was interrupted when the ball got to him. He's a bit too indecisive with the ball at his feet. But defensively, I think he's really good.

[Nero]

Got to be JKA gets better each game he doesn't play when we need a forward and a goal he couldn't have done worse than then the 2 midget midfielders we brought on

[Jonny4]

Pretty frustrating again - we just don't have that killer touch. In fact we seem to find new ways to implode after playing pretty well.

Hard to be too critical, but in the decisive moments some players are going absent:
- Castagne is steady, but so limited physical in both defence and attack. He's always prone to be bypassed like on the second goal. Tete miles better.
- Wilson should have been sold to Leeds. Produces the odd moment of quality, but it's too rare. Thought he was dreadful tonight. Chukwueze looks like a good upgrade based on his cameos.
- Berge, as others have said, doesn't offer anything going forward. That may not be his job, but there's moments he can drive forward and he never does. Defensively he's too passive. If he had an ounce of Palhinha's tenacity he'd be class.
- Kevin was rubbish today. Wrong game to bring him on. Too many flicks and back heels lost us the ball in crucial moments.

Bournemouth, Villa & Chelsea games all losses, but with some admirable performances. In that sense we've been a bit unlucky, but a few players needed to take a long hard look at their performances when the pressure is on.

Separate question, what's happened to Robinson? Think Sess has been pretty good, but odd to see so little of Robinson this season.

[AJW48361]

Two absolute worldies did for us tonight, the last one was just us chasing the game.  People need to stop crying like children every time we lose a game.

I thought that Castagne was great tonight, all the way up until Semanyo got away from him that one time. 

Tonight was unlucky, it seems to be a bit of a theme so far this season.

Mate I don't think you can criticise others like that and claim the two goals were worldies. Decent finishes perhaps but both completely avoidable with some mature and basic fundamental principles enacted. Castagne for first, Cairney should be taking the yellow for the second but he flopped around on tired legs and just gave up.

I'm all up for not crying when we've been outplayed but that was another capitulation for us and even worse, wise heads letting the side down. 

It wasn't a capitulation, far from it. We played well for a lot of the game and didn't deserve that result tonight. We weren't at full strength which is possibly why we gave away goals one and two. Cairney made a difference when he came on but there is no way Kluivert gets the space for the equaliser with Lukic on the pitch. I can't be so certain that Tete would have stopped Semenyo for the first but  you never know ?

That wouldn't have happened to Tete.

[AJW48361]

Pretty frustrating again - we just don't have that killer touch. In fact we seem to find new ways to implode after playing pretty well.

Hard to be too critical, but in the decisive moments some players are going absent:
- Castagne is steady, but so limited physical in both defence and attack. He's always prone to be bypassed like on the second goal. Tete miles better.
- Wilson should have been sold to Leeds. Produces the odd moment of quality, but it's too rare. Thought he was dreadful tonight. Chukwueze looks like a good upgrade based on his cameos.
- Berge, as others have said, doesn't offer anything going forward. That may not be his job, but there's moments he can drive forward and he never does. Defensively he's too passive. If he had an ounce of Palhinha's tenacity he'd be class.
- Kevin was rubbish today. Wrong game to bring him on. Too many flicks and back heels lost us the ball in crucial moments.

Bournemouth, Villa & Chelsea games all losses, but with some admirable performances. In that sense we've been a bit unlucky, but a few players needed to take a long hard look at their performances when the pressure is on.

Separate question, what's happened to Robinson? Think Sess has been pretty good, but odd to see so little of Robinson this season.

I think we have changed Berge position at Sheffield and Burnley he was certainly more advanced and prolific with goals especially against us Marco has dropped him deeper.

[FFC1987]

Two absolute worldies did for us tonight, the last one was just us chasing the game.  People need to stop crying like children every time we lose a game.

I thought that Castagne was great tonight, all the way up until Semanyo got away from him that one time. 

Tonight was unlucky, it seems to be a bit of a theme so far this season.

Mate I don't think you can criticise others like that and claim the two goals were worldies. Decent finishes perhaps but both completely avoidable with some mature and basic fundamental principles enacted. Castagne for first, Cairney should be taking the yellow for the second but he flopped around on tired legs and just gave up.

I'm all up for not crying when we've been outplayed but that was another capitulation for us and even worse, wise heads letting the side down. 

It wasn't a capitulation, far from it. We played well for a lot of the game and didn't deserve that result tonight. We weren't at full strength which is possibly why we gave away goals one and two. Cairney made a difference when he came on but there is no way Kluivert gets the space for the equaliser with Lukic on the pitch. I can't be so certain that Tete would have stopped Semenyo for the first but  you never know ?

That wouldn't have happened to Tete.

Maybe people are quibbling with the word but I don't know how going into the last 15 a goal up and losing 3.1 isn't a capitulation? It's bad enough not holding a lead, but not even getting a draw, but to concede 3 goals in less than 10 mins is a capitulation in my view.

And I agree. Ain't no way Tete allows that goal to happen. For what it's worth, I'm not suggesting the likes of Cairney and Tim had bad games for the entire spells they played. In Cairneys defence, the opposite. But they let the team down in key moments that gifted Bournemouth the win. I do think Tim was fairly anonymous though offering very little going forwards and not really having much to do defensively as Semenyo consistently came inside but the minute the didn't, they scored. Had they targeted Tim earlier, I think they'd of had a lot more success so I can't agree with Somerset that Tim was the reason Semenyo was quiet for 78 minutes.

[bog]

Back in the Championship when we beat Bristol City 6-2 Semenyo scored a stunning goal for the Robins. Seems that this and his overhaul display did not warrant keeping an eye on him for a possible future bid. What an inspirational player.

I thought Sess was our MotM. 

[Bronaldinho]

Think there's a few things to talk about after last night.

- Sessegnon is getting back to his best; a new deal is long overdue (deal expires end of this year, although we have an option). Another example of why his best work is his attacking movement. Once Robinson is back, I think Sess should still start, and play him further forward. Yes we've signed other forwards, but Sess movement and drive in those areas are on another level when fully fit.

- JKA - If this was the game to start him or give him a run out, it probably was. 6'5, good at linking the play and would have been an inexperienced but good fit to replace Muniz/Raul when out. Maybe it is too soon, but he was playing for Bayern in pre-season, so he was on the cusp of getting senior football. Not to give him 20 minutes or so feels a wrong call. (Then again, we don't see what the team sees in training etc - but we play best with a focal point, and not having one does cost us).

[TC's Sporran]

cairney sent for a hot dog

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[Bal_13]

Two absolute worldies did for us tonight, the last one was just us chasing the game.  People need to stop crying like children every time we lose a game.

I thought that Castagne was great tonight, all the way up until Semanyo got away from him that one time. 

Tonight was unlucky, it seems to be a bit of a theme so far this season.

Mate I don't think you can criticise others like that and claim the two goals were worldies. Decent finishes perhaps but both completely avoidable with some mature and basic fundamental principles enacted. Castagne for first, Cairney should be taking the yellow for the second but he flopped around on tired legs and just gave up.

I'm all up for not crying when we've been outplayed but that was another capitulation for us and even worse, wise heads letting the side down. 

It wasn't a capitulation, far from it. We played well for a lot of the game and didn't deserve that result tonight. We weren't at full strength which is possibly why we gave away goals one and two. Cairney made a difference when he came on but there is no way Kluivert gets the space for the equaliser with Lukic on the pitch. I can't be so certain that Tete would have stopped Semenyo for the first but  you never know ?

Equally based on the first 14 mins with Lukic on the pitch there's no chance we get out of our half full stop.

[Chi_FFC]

Gotta be Leno, he made a number of great saves, though he didn't cover himself in glory for the first goal.

Leno? Great saves? Were you watching a different match? He made a total of three saves and none of them were particularly difficult. And yeah, on the first goal he opened up his legs too much for some reason and gave Semenyo a path to goal from an extremely tight angle which he gladly took. No, not the greatest mistake in the world (it was still a good/tough finish) but that's a goal I'd really like to see him prevent.

[WindyCity]

Gotta be Leno, he made a number of great saves, though he didn't cover himself in glory for the first goal.

Leno? Great saves? Were you watching a different match? He made a total of three saves and none of them were particularly difficult. And yeah, on the first goal he opened up his legs too much for some reason and gave Semenyo a path to goal from an extremely tight angle which he gladly took. No, not the greatest mistake in the world (it was still a good/tough finish) but that's a goal I'd really like to see him prevent.

Have to agree here also, what match was that poster watching?  Clearly, in my view, Leno cost us this game.  Very poor on him with conceding the equalizer.  How he can't secure the near side better is hard to understand, and having said that, leaving the five-hole wide open for the score is just very poor.  And even the second goal, sure, a well struck ball by Kluivert, but from distance, Leno has to do much better.  We've seen a number of goals from distance that Leno has conceded these past several seasons, his positioning must be off or his reaction time is not very good.  For a top class keeper in this league, goals like that just can't be allowed to happen.  I certainly don't consider the first goal a 'worldlie', and even the second goal is debatable.  In sum, poor game from our keeper......

[WindyCity]

Best players for FFC were Cairney and Sessegnon.
Chukwueze pretty good, but still positionally all over the place.
Kevin poor.
Back four fairly good.
Leno very poor.