Perspective

[Coastwalker]

It proves nothing. Absolutely nothing.

But as usual, I am going to withdraw from here for a while - its just not worth engaging on here after a loss.  I never seem to learn.

Bye then,christ how old are you 10.
Someone has a different opinion to you so you leaving.lol

[blingo]

Ive been a supporter for 63 years Coastwalker, im also related to the late and great Tony Macedo, who knows, perhaps i qualify to state my thoughts, perhaps not in your opinionated vision, but i certainly do in mine.
80k pw? They dont all earn that but they also have limited careers. The point you seem to miss is that they are human and therefore a fallible as the rest of us. I'll bet you wake up full of energy and the joys of spring every morning and never have an off day. It must be great being you.

[Super Mick]

Why did we try so hard against Villa, then revert back to beach mode once we have a European spot in our grasp is the question everyone should be asking! This also happened last season. Fans are allowed to be frustrated.

[Coastwalker]

Ive been a supporter for 63 years Coastwalker, im also related to the late and great Tony Macedo, who knows, perhaps i qualify to state my thoughts, perhaps not in your opinionated vision, but i certainly do in mine.
80k pw? They dont all earn that but they also have limited careers. The point you seem to miss is that they are human and therefore a fallible as the rest of us. I'll bet you wake up full of energy and the joys of spring every morning and never have an off day. It must be great being you.

You from Gibraltar then?

[blingo]

Why did we try so hard against Villa, then revert back to beach mode once we have a European spot in our grasp is the question everyone should be asking! This also happened last season. Fans are allowed to be frustrated.

It is frustrating Sir, but thats football. Win our next three games and who knows. Its what makes football one of the greatest sports in the world

[bahay18]

I fear for us against Bournemouth next week .

[blingo]

Ive been a supporter for 63 years Coastwalker, im also related to the late and great Tony Macedo, who knows, perhaps i qualify to state my thoughts, perhaps not in your opinionated vision, but i certainly do in mine.
80k pw? They dont all earn that but they also have limited careers. The point you seem to miss is that they are human and therefore a fallible as the rest of us. I'll bet you wake up full of energy and the joys of spring every morning and never have an off day. It must be great being you.

You from Gibraltar then?

My family is and i live in gib now. Born in Queen Charlottes tho.

[WindyCity]

I appreciate the OP's commentary.  I also can understand some of the negativity, though the overboard stuff is probably only a couple of posters.  But when we see games like Arsenal and Liverpool there is gonna be fan reaction.  I really didn't think Arsenal were outstanding in their performance, and quite frankly, I thought Liverpool was actually poor.  And to the OP's comments, there is nothing wrong with "constructive criticism", which is mostly what we see in these moments.
My reaction to these types of games is "frustration and disappointment".  I know the lads can play better.  But I'm not gonna get upside anyones' jock over it.  We can point out players who were poor, who made mistakes, who screwed up.  Nothing wrong with that, that's what fans in such a forum do. 
It all really boils down to MS and the players.  If FFC should fall short of Euro play, they need only recall home field losses to WHU and Everton and for poor shows v Liverpool/Arsenal.  And we need to be cautious over what we wish for, should FFC somehow qualify for Europe.  I have concerns about staying in this League, which should always be priority number one.

[The Little Dave]

10th in the best league in the world. Owners who are investing to improve the club in every way. What are you realistically expecting?
If MS and wilson go, they go. Fulham will continue as it always has, some seasons better than others, thats football for a club like ours. If you dont like it or have much much higher expectations then perhaps you should be supporting a top top side, because in my eyes, FFC is not for you. The constant whingeing about players gets extremely tedious imho. I wonder if the whingers are as perfect in their professional lives as they expect our players to be? And i dont accept the crap that i pay to watch them. You always have the option not to. Surviving in this division is not easy, there are ten teams below us that can testify to that. Try supporting the team instead of constantly slagging them off, because im sure that none of you criticizing are anything less than perfect in life. In fact the only perfect person i ever met was a liar.

5k posts gatekeeping what Fulham fandom should be? That's a lame take, dude. Of all the behavior in this community, telling other fans they should go somewhere else ranks pretty low.

"Oh, it's tedious."
"Oh, it's tiresome."

(responding directly to others in this thread as well)

Then don't engage with it. Avoid threads where the title clearly shows people overreacting or venting after a loss. It's completely within your control whether you interact with that content—or, in many cases, whether you even see it cause subjects are so obvious.

Every time a thread gets out of control and an admin steps in, one of the first pieces of feedback is usually the same: avoid the content you don't want to see.

But instead, we get more threads and more posts complaining about the complaining. And somehow that's supposed to stop people from negatively reacting or reposting the exact opinions that annoyed you in the first place?

The problem is people thinking they can dictate what others should or shouldn't say.

Just because you're tired of reading certain comments, or sick of seeing the same opinions repeated, doesn't make that the other person's fault. It's yours. You're the one choosing to read it. You are the one choosing to engage with it, and quite literally keeping it going. None of you are arbiters of fandom let alone this forum, if you don't like what you are reading sign off, go outside, literally do anything else then double down which will just make you feel more upset.

It's not that hard.

[LittleErn]

Ive been a supporter for 63 years Coastwalker, im also related to the late and great Tony Macedo, who knows, perhaps i qualify to state my thoughts, perhaps not in your opinionated vision, but i certainly do in mine.
80k pw? They dont all earn that but they also have limited careers. The point you seem to miss is that they are human and therefore a fallible as the rest of us. I'll bet you wake up full of energy and the joys of spring every morning and never have an off day. It must be great being you.

You from Gibraltar then?

I used to play football with one of Macedo's cousins. I think his surname was Greenaway. Not you Blingo?

[Andrew]

Taking the season as a whole,it has been a great disapointment. The inabilty to kick on is, IMO, more a function of not having a good enough squad. I do not intend to have a go at individual players because they all try hard, usually, but central defence and central midfield requires an upgrade if we are to genuinely improve.

Regarding the manager, none of us know the situation but he has looked and sounded mighty demoralised. I suspect he is being held to his contract having not been offered a proper acceptable folow on. That is speculation but seems most likely to me.

Also for the first time since marco arrived, i think we have seemed to have more long term injuries to key plaers than before. I don't know if that's  bad luck or somthing wrong with training.

And in the end this mediocrity IMO says more about the owner's ambition than the manager's abilities. I don't think  we can realistically expecto do better. We dan vhange the nanager but the plan, or lack of plan, will not change if Marco goes.

Yesterday was symptomatic of a deeper issue. Changing the manager will not fix it.

Well put Andrew. All I would add is that we need a more prolific strike force as well as the positions you highlight.

Thank you. Everyone always needs a better strike force.... We need to scout better in lower leagues.

[blingo]

10th in the best league in the world. Owners who are investing to improve the club in every way. What are you realistically expecting?
If MS and wilson go, they go. Fulham will continue as it always has, some seasons better than others, thats football for a club like ours. If you dont like it or have much much higher expectations then perhaps you should be supporting a top top side, because in my eyes, FFC is not for you. The constant whingeing about players gets extremely tedious imho. I wonder if the whingers are as perfect in their professional lives as they expect our players to be? And i dont accept the crap that i pay to watch them. You always have the option not to. Surviving in this division is not easy, there are ten teams below us that can testify to that. Try supporting the team instead of constantly slagging them off, because im sure that none of you criticizing are anything less than perfect in life. In fact the only perfect person i ever met was a liar.

5k posts gatekeeping what Fulham fandom should be? That's a lame take, dude. Of all the behavior in this community, telling other fans they should go somewhere else ranks pretty low.

"Oh, it's tedious."
"Oh, it's tiresome."

(responding directly to others in this thread as well)

Then don't engage with it. Avoid threads where the title clearly shows people overreacting or venting after a loss. It's completely within your control whether you interact with that content—or, in many cases, whether you even see it cause subjects are so obvious.

Every time a thread gets out of control and an admin steps in, one of the first pieces of feedback is usually the same: avoid the content you don't want to see.

But instead, we get more threads and more posts complaining about the complaining. And somehow that's supposed to stop people from negatively reacting or reposting the exact opinions that annoyed you in the first place?

The problem is people thinking they can dictate what others should or shouldn't say.

Just because you're tired of reading certain comments, or sick of seeing the same opinions repeated, doesn't make that the other person's fault. It's yours. You're the one choosing to read it. You are the one choosing to engage with it, and quite literally keeping it going. None of you are arbiters of fandom let alone this forum, if you don't like what you are reading sign off, go outside, literally do anything else then double down which will just make you feel more upset.

It's not that hard.

You've just managed to call the kettle black

[The blahblahman]

Why did we try so hard against Villa, then revert back to beach mode once we have a European spot in our grasp is the question everyone should be asking! This also happened last season. Fans are allowed to be frustrated.

Probably something to do with this virus issue. We don't know how bad it was but Silva said it affected the staff and players

[Arthur]

I wonder how we would have fared these past couple of seasons had Andoni Iraola been our manager. I think he adopts a different tactical outlook to Marco. To me, Iraola places more emphasis than Marco on exploiting attacking opportunities quickly. It isn't always more successful but, in my opinion, it is marginally so compared to the greater importance Silva likes to place upon possession-based football with its slower tempo.

If the way Iraola's sets up his team to play is worth just one extra point over us every half-dozen-or-so matches, this equates to an additional six points over the course of a season. Take five-or-six points away from Bournemouth's total right now and give them to us and we'd be sitting sixth in the table with the genuine hope of playing Europa League football - Champions League, even - next season.

Marco has proved himself to be a 'safe pair of hands' when it comes to maintaining our P.L. status and this achievement is not to be under-estimated. I believe any of a dozen clubs could, most seasons, either be challenging for European football in seventh or eighth or languishing in seventeenth or eighteenth, such is the competitiveness of this league. That Silva has successfully kept us away from the lower reaches of the table is commendable. And yet, despite that he acknowledges our showing on Saturday was weak (just as he has done, previously, against the likes of Liverpool and Manchester City), we produce performances of this type too often. I am left wondering why our style of play is not evolving such that, even in defeat, we give a better account of ourselves - better than we typically do now. I look at Iraola, Hurzeler and Glasner and wonder whether theirs is a level of coaching that is a bit above and beyond that of our own manager, good as he is.

[Andrew]

Why did we try so hard against Villa, then revert back to beach mode once we have a European spot in our grasp is the question everyone should be asking! This also happened last season. Fans are allowed to be frustrated.

Probably something to do with this virus issue. We don't know how bad it was but Silva said it affected the staff and players

It was clear on Marco's pre match video there was an issue at the club with what I thought was fitness. At this level you cannot compete with players recovering from a virus against ones that are 100%.
That is why you need a better, deeper squad.

I note that this is not the first time Berge has been out with health issues, so I suspect he has not been right for a while.

If there is still illness in the camp this week, competing with Bournemouth will be problematic.

[Woolly Mammoth]

10th in the best league in the world. Owners who are investing to improve the club in every way. What are you realistically expecting?
If MS and wilson go, they go. Fulham will continue as it always has, some seasons better than others, thats football for a club like ours. If you dont like it or have much much higher expectations then perhaps you should be supporting a top top side, because in my eyes, FFC is not for you. The constant whingeing about players gets extremely tedious imho. I wonder if the whingers are as perfect in their professional lives as they expect our players to be? And i dont accept the crap that i pay to watch them. You always have the option not to. Surviving in this division is not easy, there are ten teams below us that can testify to that. Try supporting the team instead of constantly slagging them off, because im sure that none of you criticizing are anything less than perfect in life. In fact the only perfect person i ever met was a liar.

5k posts gatekeeping what Fulham fandom should be? That's a lame take, dude. Of all the behavior in this community, telling other fans they should go somewhere else ranks pretty low.

"Oh, it's tedious."
"Oh, it's tiresome."

(responding directly to others in this thread as well)

Then don't engage with it. Avoid threads where the title clearly shows people overreacting or venting after a loss. It's completely within your control whether you interact with that content—or, in many cases, whether you even see it cause subjects are so obvious.

Every time a thread gets out of control and an admin steps in, one of the first pieces of feedback is usually the same: avoid the content you don't want to see.

But instead, we get more threads and more posts complaining about the complaining. And somehow that's supposed to stop people from negatively reacting or reposting the exact opinions that annoyed you in the first place?

The problem is people thinking they can dictate what others should or shouldn't say.

Just because you're tired of reading certain comments, or sick of seeing the same opinions repeated, doesn't make that the other person's fault. It's yours. You're the one choosing to read it. You are the one choosing to engage with it, and quite literally keeping it going. None of you are arbiters of fandom let alone this forum, if you don't like what you are reading sign off, go outside, literally do anything else then double down which will just make you feel more upset.

It's not that hard.

You've just managed to call the kettle black

Is it boiling yet, I could do with a mug of tea, being a mug myself.

[KJS]

Why did we try so hard against Villa, then revert back to beach mode once we have a European spot in our grasp is the question everyone should be asking! This also happened last season. Fans are allowed to be frustrated.

Perhaps it had something to do with the illness that went through the squad in the days before the match eh?