How has Jol done in his time here

[cottage cheese]

gave him one, the man is clueless. Any one can manage with unlimited funds but it takes a decent manager to achieve a lot with less and he is not a good manager in any shape or form.

I've always said that Martin Jol will do well with Tottenham type clubs, but will struggle with smaller clubs because he doesn't know how to think outside the box, or motivate average players.

Martin Jol relies on 'pace' to set up his teams, scoring more goals than he concedes but to be honest, this is an epic fail at Fulham and we all know it. Still, he tries it but again we all know the squad isn't good enough.

Now before I knock Jol even further, he can turn out to be a good coach for Fulham but he'll need investment which by the looks of it isn't going to happen. All the time Macintosh is earning brownie points with Fayed by saving cash, he's also starving this club of success.

I just hope he see's sense by the summer.

If you bring in a manager with a particular style of football and your current team doesn't suit that style, then you have to back them enough to bring the right type of players in. Else what's the point in bringing him in?

That's the problem apart from Ruiz and Berbs we don't have the quality of players to play his system and its bloody obvious at times. I cant remember the last time anyone has actually pulled off a killer pass that takes out a defence etc. We don't have the creative quality in our team to play Jols way and that's the problem.

In a funny way having the likes of Ruiz and Berbatov in our team unbalances the system. They cant play together and the reason they do is due to the fact we have no one else....

[nose]

The issue of money keeps coming up and I am so suprised. Money doesn't make jol a good or bad manager. Not having players on the posts when defending set pieces and cornners isn't a function of money. Allowing an aging greek to take corners that never reach the six yard box or the same player top take free kicks that immediately play us into trouble week in week out are certainly two examples of his poor management. Ruiz wh I criticise quite a lot is good at dead ball situations, the baird goals at corners were brilliant examples, but jol decided ruiz playing the ball onto bairds good runs wasn't a good idea so ruiz doesn't  take all the  corners and baird is dropped/sold.
Money is good if you spend it wisely, Ruiz was an error and because of his great expense jol cannot afford to leave him on the bench where he would be better suited. Berba should have been dropped for the t shirt incident and the sulking, I love berba but he needs to be brought back down to earth and realise he has to play for the team, that is also a failing of the manager.
Money wasn't part of the question in the headline post.

[Bassey the warrior]

gave him one, the man is clueless. Any one can manage with unlimited funds but it takes a decent manager to achieve a lot with less and he is not a good manager in any shape or form.

I've always said that Martin Jol will do well with Tottenham type clubs, but will struggle with smaller clubs because he doesn't know how to think outside the box, or motivate average players.

Martin Jol relies on 'pace' to set up his teams, scoring more goals than he concedes but to be honest, this is an epic fail at Fulham and we all know it. Still, he tries it but again we all know the squad isn't good enough.

Now before I knock Jol even further, he can turn out to be a good coach for Fulham but he'll need investment which by the looks of it isn't going to happen. All the time Macintosh is earning brownie points with Fayed by saving cash, he's also starving this club of success.

I just hope he see's sense by the summer.

If you bring in a manager with a particular style of football and your current team doesn't suit that style, then you have to back them enough to bring the right type of players in. Else what's the point in bringing him in?

That's the problem apart from Ruiz and Berbs we don't have the quality of players to play his system and its bloody obvious at times. I cant remember the last time anyone has actually pulled off a killer pass that takes out a defence etc. We don't have the creative quality in our team to play Jols way and that's the problem.

In a funny way having the likes of Ruiz and Berbatov in our team unbalances the system. They cant play together and the reason they do is due to the fact we have no one else....

This annoys me. They CAN play together, the problem is the other players. No one makes runs behind the defence apart from Berba and that's not that often. Their creative talents are being wasted.

[Bassey the warrior]

gave him one, the man is clueless. Any one can manage with unlimited funds but it takes a decent manager to achieve a lot with less and he is not a good manager in any shape or form.

I've always said that Martin Jol will do well with Tottenham type clubs, but will struggle with smaller clubs because he doesn't know how to think outside the box, or motivate average players.

Martin Jol relies on 'pace' to set up his teams, scoring more goals than he concedes but to be honest, this is an epic fail at Fulham and we all know it. Still, he tries it but again we all know the squad isn't good enough.

Now before I knock Jol even further, he can turn out to be a good coach for Fulham but he'll need investment which by the looks of it isn't going to happen. All the time Macintosh is earning brownie points with Fayed by saving cash, he's also starving this club of success.

I just hope he see's sense by the summer.

You say he relies on scoring more goals than he concedes and yet we've been pretty solid defensively in 2013.

[God The Mechanic]

The issue of money keeps coming up and I am so suprised. Money doesn't make jol a good or bad manager. Not having players on the posts when defending set pieces and cornners isn't a function of money. Allowing an aging greek to take corners that never reach the six yard box or the same player top take free kicks that immediately play us into trouble week in week out are certainly two examples of his poor management. Ruiz wh I criticise quite a lot is good at dead ball situations, the baird goals at corners were brilliant examples, but jol decided ruiz playing the ball onto bairds good runs wasn't a good idea so ruiz doesn't  take all the  corners and baird is dropped/sold.
Money is good if you spend it wisely, Ruiz was an error and because of his great expense jol cannot afford to leave him on the bench where he would be better suited. Berba should have been dropped for the t shirt incident and the sulking, I love berba but he needs to be brought back down to earth and realise he has to play for the team, that is also a failing of the manager.
Money wasn't part of the question in the headline post.

It wasn't part of the question, but it is part of the answer in that it's a mitigating factor of the poor performances. You can have the best manager in the world, but if you give them the wrong players for their style of play they will struggle.

[bill taylors apprentice]

7 from me.
All things considered, finishing around mid table is acceptable for us given the players leaving and the financial constraints the club operate under.  
What has made life difficult this season is how we have achieved 40 points, its been a slog most of the time.
Getting in a load of experienced players on loan or the like could be seen as a sound move to steady the ship and get us through the season intact to push on next term.
It could equally seen as a manager fumbling to create something with one hand tied behind his back and getting nowhere.  

[MJG]

8. record points last season and comfortable this season even though the board sold our assests again. plus when we have a first 11 we play some decent stuff

Dembele had a release clause which if it was not in the contract he maybe would not have signed.
Dempsey was tapped up.
Those are the facts and so the board did not sell our assets in the way your trying to put the situation that arose.

[Jimpav]

6.

He's signed some excellent players but the consistency is not there. Too many head scratching and hair tearing performances.

We've got the star quality to get results but our attack feels toothless and the Thames Barrier is all too leaky.

Next season is make or break. If we are not on 20+ points by December then I think the board should send him packing.

Lowest point for me was limping out of Europe but high points include the thrashing of QPR and winning away at Spurs (the match that cost them CL football next season).

[MJG]

Make all the excuses you like but I was prepared for Dembele, Dempsey, Murphy and Etuhu leaving and do not understand why Jol/Fulham were not.

I had no real issue with Murphy & Etuhu leaving but I agree that Jol failed to get in another CM by the start of the season, let alone by deadline day.
To start the season with Dembele, Diarra, Sidwell and Baird as the only players who have regually played CM was stupid. We needed at least one more player for that role. We then lost Demeble in the last day or so of the window which left us in real trouble, but it all goes back to the failure to bring in a CM in the summer.

As for Dempsey he was gone from the end of the previous season and with Kaca/Frei and Richardson late on in the window, I'm sure Jol thought we had enough cover for the left side, and to be fair he does, but has just failed to use it in the right way.

[bill taylors apprentice]

To me the big question is, does the manager backed by the club, have a major plan to improve the team but has been stalled by the happenings we all know about or is he making it up as he goes along?
He professes to be looking towards a younger more dynamic team but has not given an opportunity to one new youngster in the first team this season.
I am still optimistic about Jol (just) and realistic about the clubs ambitions, 9th to 12th place is ok but I want to see some proper football played by my team.

[MJG]

He professes to be looking towards a younger more dynamic team but has not given an opportunity to one new youngster in the first team this season.

Be careful someone is going to come back at you with Smith and Trotta who have the combined total of 2 sub appearances

[Bassey the warrior]

To me the big question is, does the manager backed by the club, have a major plan to improve the team but has been stalled by the happenings we all know about or is he making it up as he goes along?
He professes to be looking towards a younger more dynamic team but has not given an opportunity to one new youngster in the first team this season.
I am still optimistic about Jol (just) and realistic about the clubs ambitions, 9th to 12th place is ok but I want to see some proper football played by my team.

That's a load of rubbish. When Riise was doing poorly he gave Briggs a shot and he was rubbish, he gave Kaca a chance and for a while he was first choice on the left flank then he dropped out of form and there was a relegation worry so Jol tried someone else, he's now returned to playing Kaca though. Frei has seen some game time, admittedly I'd prefer more. Jol has said he would've played Mesca a bit had he been fit. That's four youngsters Jol did or would've played. More than most Premier League clubs.

[Burt]

It's a 7 from me.

Still stuff to sort out, work in progress, etc.

Need to get more positive with the tactics, and get some of the young ones involved more.

[cottage cheese]

gave him one, the man is clueless. Any one can manage with unlimited funds but it takes a decent manager to achieve a lot with less and he is not a good manager in any shape or form.

I've always said that Martin Jol will do well with Tottenham type clubs, but will struggle with smaller clubs because he doesn't know how to think outside the box, or motivate average players.

Martin Jol relies on 'pace' to set up his teams, scoring more goals than he concedes but to be honest, this is an epic fail at Fulham and we all know it. Still, he tries it but again we all know the squad isn't good enough.

Now before I knock Jol even further, he can turn out to be a good coach for Fulham but he'll need investment which by the looks of it isn't going to happen. All the time Macintosh is earning brownie points with Fayed by saving cash, he's also starving this club of success.

I just hope he see's sense by the summer.

If you bring in a manager with a particular style of football and your current team doesn't suit that style, then you have to back them enough to bring the right type of players in. Else what's the point in bringing him in?

That's the problem apart from Ruiz and Berbs we don't have the quality of players to play his system and its bloody obvious at times. I cant remember the last time anyone has actually pulled off a killer pass that takes out a defence etc. We don't have the creative quality in our team to play Jols way and that's the problem.

In a funny way having the likes of Ruiz and Berbatov in our team unbalances the system. They cant play together and the reason they do is due to the fact we have no one else....

This annoys me. They CAN play together, the problem is the other players. No one makes runs behind the defence apart from Berba and that's not that often. Their creative talents are being wasted.

They cant play together for us that's what Im saying as they unbalance the team at times. We need cohesion and at times its not there. Berbatov and Ruiz can not play together for us as they both seem to play in the same position and we have no one up front.

[bill taylors apprentice]

To me the big question is, does the manager backed by the club, have a major plan to improve the team but has been stalled by the happenings we all know about or is he making it up as he goes along?
He professes to be looking towards a younger more dynamic team but has not given an opportunity to one NEW youngster in the first team this season.
I am still optimistic about Jol (just) and realistic about the clubs ambitions, 9th to 12th place is ok but I want to see some proper football played by my team.

That's a load of rubbish. When Riise was doing poorly he gave Briggs a shot and he was rubbish, he gave Kaca a chance and for a while he was first choice on the left flank then he dropped out of form and there was a relegation worry so Jol tried someone else, he's now returned to playing Kaca though. Frei has seen some game time, admittedly I'd prefer more. Jol has said he would've played Mesca a bit had he been fit. That's four youngsters Jol did or would've played. More than most Premier League clubs.

In case I didn't make it clear I meant "NEW" as in new for this season, someone who has not been in the first team before this season but was given the opportunity that the players you mentioned were given in previous seasons

[Harold Shand]

Strange that nobody has mentioned we also sold all four forwards who played for the club last year ?

And Martin Jol can only manage at top clubs ????
Don't these people check their facts.

[F(f)CUK]

I don't have a problem with either selling players or letting them go. There is always a reason for this happening even if we fans do not like it, understand it or are fully informed about it.

What defies belief is to allow your midfield to be decimated and have a back up plan that is reliant on quick fixes. We need to see this properly addressed this summer.

[HatterDon]

Strange that nobody has mentioned we also sold all four forwards who played for the club last year ?

And Martin Jol can only manage at top clubs ????
Don't these people check their facts.

I checked my facts, and it turns out we didn't sell Pogrebnyack.

[Danitar]

I think the board need to really back him and seeing as we don't have debt at this club I think the board should give jol around £20-£25 million to really change the squad and make it his own as jol has proven in the past give him money and he will work his magic just look at bale. But I would say he will need to spend the majority on youth and really drive the age of the squad down cannot really on old boys to dig us out of trouble that's the reason we've struggled this end of the season

[Me-ate-Live, innit??]

I think the board need to really back him and seeing as we don't have debt at this club I think the board should give jol around £20-£25 million to really change the squad and make it his own as jol has proven in the past give him money and he will work his magic just look at bale. But I would say he will need to spend the majority on youth and really drive the age of the squad down cannot really on old boys to dig us out of trouble that's the reason we've struggled this end of the season

Does it matter if he goes ?? providing it is done in the right way, and if we get some money all the better. The Board will do the best for Fulham future and that may not include Jol.