Perspective

[Marcel_Gecov]

Was having a chat with someone who knows cairneys mum after Burton game
T.C could be out for a few weeks.

Careful, I said that a couple of weeks ago and got all sorts of abuse on here

With respect, you said until Xmas, which is a few months. You cant read that though as you blocked me.

[jarv]

Last season, 85 goals scored, aggregate score...Fulham 9 Huddersfield 1.....what has just happened? :58: I am sure it will all get better. I am looking forward to my next visit to UK in time for the Derby Co. game so until then I am taking  S001.gif

[Marcel_Gecov]

Last season, 85 goals scored, aggregate score...Fulham 9 Huddersfield 1.....what has just happened? :58: I am sure it will all get better. I am looking forward to my next visit to UK in time for the Derby Co. game so until then I am taking  S001.gif

As somebody said in another thread. We had only scored 8 in 9 last season. We will gel and be fine.

[hovewhite]

Was having a chat with someone who knows cairneys mum after Burton game
T.C could be out for a few weeks.

Careful, I said that a couple of weeks ago and got all sorts of abuse on here

thanks for that ,but belive what ive been told.but thanks again!

[Mince n Tatties]

They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats.  Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.

It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.

[Marcel_Gecov]

They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats.  Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.

It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.

All I ask for factual arguments rather than emotional. Most negativity is based on emotion and can be picked apart fairly simply. Also the fact that those who have a pop then don't post when things are going well also erks me.

It's also always Khans or Klines fault, bad things happen, good things happen, we could be wiped out by North Korea, perspective. 

[Keynsham]

They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats.  Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.

It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.

It doesn't have to be that black and white (ho ho ho!) does it? I mean, there is a vast amount of in-between there, isn't there, right?

All that I said was it is the same people creating the same threads that they do everytime there is a sticky patch.  It's often rare that they are seen again afterwards until the next sticky patch too.  Nothing that I said had anything to do with how well people are performing, just that when it is perceived that they are underperforming, we know who will be posting first.

And in this instance, where is the 'fact' that this is 'Stats Boy's' fault? 

[FFC1987]

They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats.  Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.

It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.

All I ask for factual arguments rather than emotional. Most negativity is based on emotion and can be picked apart fairly simply. Also the fact that those who have a pop then don't post when things are going well also erks me.

It's also always Khans or Klines fault, bad things happen, good things happen, we could be wiped out by North Korea, perspective.

Ok then. factually, we look worse than last year and are dropping points against teams we bested last year. We look toothless, both at home and away and I personally think its down to poor recruitment. We identified key areas and did well to boost said areas but having not had a striker recently and adequate replacements for starters, its harming our position in the table. We are fortunate to only be 7 points behind top, but, in my humble opinion, should be capitalising on games like Burton away to close the gap. Its my personal belief, that, if we can't close off teams like Wednesday at Home, its vital we beat teams like Burton away. Also in perspective, both Hull and Burton, had been thoroughly beaten in prior games only for us to scrape a win, and lose. Regardless of refereeing decisions, we need to start finishing off chances we do have, as we dont create half as many as we did last year. I DO think it will get better, but thats only because we've been really poor and at times, fortunate recently.

[Woolly Mammoth]

They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats.  Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.

It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.

Not forgetting mischievous Elves with swollen heads in the land of the Goblins.
As you say mince, everyone has different views, and people to believe what they want to believe then so be it. But as you say, how can anyone be overjoyed with the start we have had. It's not a disaster, of course not. But all this stuff about in so and so we trust is straight out of the Book of Cobblers.
The squad is unbalanced and there is nothing we can do about it, but not as unbalanced as the stats merchants, nuisance number one and nuisance number two.
Let's hope that Jok can install some grit and determination and start picking the best team to start matches, who are fit to start and no passengers on the bench, cause v Burton we had passengers, who thought they could breeze their way through a match like that.
Well let's hope they and the manager have learnt an expensive lesson.
We will see over the next half dozen matches, whether we go up the ladder or down the snake.
Jok has to read the riot act as well as pick a team that will save his life, and players have to man up and grow a pair and show the character they showed on a number of occasions last season, and shake off this soft underbelly. Cause this League ain't no picnic.

[YankeeJim]

Disagree, we knew in June 2016 that we were losing our two main strikers. What have we got instead? A sick note and a striker who Slav obviously doesn't feel is good enough. You can't defend the indefensible. We needed a top quality striker with championship experience who was good To go at the beginning of August last year let alone this August not half way through the season

This has been posted innumerable times. Really its  :dead horse: along with being without merit. Read what Peabody wrote.

[Peabody]

They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats.  Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.

It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.

All I ask for factual arguments rather than emotional. Most negativity is based on emotion and can be picked apart fairly simply. Also the fact that those who have a pop then don't post when things are going well also erks me.

It's also always Khans or Klines fault, bad things happen, good things happen, we could be wiped out by North Korea, perspective.

Ok then. factually, we look worse than last year and are dropping points against teams we bested last year. We look toothless, both at home and away and I personally think its down to poor recruitment. We identified key areas and did well to boost said areas but having not had a striker recently and adequate replacements for starters, its harming our position in the table. We are fortunate to only be 7 points behind top, but, in my humble opinion, should be capitalising on games like Burton away to close the gap. Its my personal belief, that, if we can't close off teams like Wednesday at Home, its vital we beat teams like Burton away. Also in perspective, both Hull and Burton, had been thoroughly beaten in prior games only for us to scrape a win, and lose. Regardless of refereeing decisions, we need to start finishing off chances we do have, as we dont create half as many as we did last year. I DO think it will get better, but thats only because we've been really poor and at times, fortunate recently.


By worse, do you mean drawing with Wigan 0-0, or losing at home 1-4 at home to Bristol City, after losing to them a few days earlier in the cup, or perhaps you are referring to losing at home to QPR and missing two pens in the process

[filham]

Sorry but we finished last season performing so well, all that was needed was to keep our first eleven intact, add a striker and a couple of back up midfielders and we should have been favourites for promotion.

We have failed dismally and the only excuse is the mysterious injury to Cairney.

Unlikely that we will again turn things around sufficiently to put us in the promotion race that we all expected

We shall see
[/quote Of couse I should add that I really hope to be proved wrong and have to eat my words.

[J.Perkins]

Disagree, we knew in June 2016 that we were losing our two main strikers. What have we got instead? A sick note and a striker who Slav obviously doesn't feel is good enough. You can't defend the indefensible. We needed a top quality striker with championship experience who was good To go at the beginning of August last year let alone this August not half way through the season

a) a player who has been injured for 2 games isn't a sick-note, just injured. If he's injured again this side of Xmas (for a period of time, not two weeks) then I'll partially concede this point. However, see: Fredericks - was out start of last season and the season before...now a mainstay #fakenews
b) There's no evidence that Slav doesn't think Kamara is good enough - he's starting him slowly which managers do with new players (I refer you to Mkhitarayan at Utd who played alot less than Kamara by this point last seas and went on to be a starter, see also: Kebano)
c) Currently, there is no indefensible, only defensible. (It was literally 3 weeks ago that people were saying we'd had a good window)
d)and which championship striker that transferred in the season that meets your requirements transferred before Aug 1st pray tell that we'd have afforded. (hint: I work in statistics and have already fact-checked this point) Before you say Assombalonga, I thought we didn't want a sick-note. (refer: point a and our post - quoted)
e)8/46 = not halfway (hint: that's maths)
f) We lost our main two strikers before the start of last season, which coincided with us having our best season for 4-5 years (hint: that's history)

Now moan away, but keep it on point and factual.

You can't argue with facts. +1.

[NogoodBoyo]

Peabody and Marcel Gecov are killing the opposition here.
Nogood "early drawers, isit" Boyo

[FFC1987]

They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats.  Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.

It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.

All I ask for factual arguments rather than emotional. Most negativity is based on emotion and can be picked apart fairly simply. Also the fact that those who have a pop then don't post when things are going well also erks me.

It's also always Khans or Klines fault, bad things happen, good things happen, we could be wiped out by North Korea, perspective.

Ok then. factually, we look worse than last year and are dropping points against teams we bested last year. We look toothless, both at home and away and I personally think its down to poor recruitment. We identified key areas and did well to boost said areas but having not had a striker recently and adequate replacements for starters, its harming our position in the table. We are fortunate to only be 7 points behind top, but, in my humble opinion, should be capitalising on games like Burton away to close the gap. Its my personal belief, that, if we can't close off teams like Wednesday at Home, its vital we beat teams like Burton away. Also in perspective, both Hull and Burton, had been thoroughly beaten in prior games only for us to scrape a win, and lose. Regardless of refereeing decisions, we need to start finishing off chances we do have, as we dont create half as many as we did last year. I DO think it will get better, but thats only because we've been really poor and at times, fortunate recently.


By worse, do you mean drawing with Wigan 0-0, or losing at home 1-4 at home to Bristol City, after losing to them a few days earlier in the cup, or perhaps you are referring to losing at home to QPR and missing two pens in the process

Well a poster asked us to present facts for this season. We haven't played those yet so its a false equivalence. When we do, we'll have a factual conversation about those games, until them, we can only draw on this seasons results.

Killing the opposition....ha

[Keynsham]

Peabody and Marcel Gecov are killing the opposition here.
Nogood "early drawers, isit" Boyo

Thankfully.

[Jimmy Hill]

Personally think the squad is better than last year. i'm happy with the playing style as we are creating chances. I just think it comes down to mentality with this team. Our confidence is fragile, i think we need to put come characters in the team starting with Mollo and Odoi. I think these two have the right attitude to give to the team at the moment.

[Peabody]

They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats.  Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.

It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.

All I ask for factual arguments rather than emotional. Most negativity is based on emotion and can be picked apart fairly simply. Also the fact that those who have a pop then don't post when things are going well also erks me.

It's also always Khans or Klines fault, bad things happen, good things happen, we could be wiped out by North Korea, perspective.

Ok then. factually, we look worse than last year and are dropping points against teams we bested last year. We look toothless, both at home and away and I personally think its down to poor recruitment. We identified key areas and did well to boost said areas but having not had a striker recently and adequate replacements for starters, its harming our position in the table. We are fortunate to only be 7 points behind top, but, in my humble opinion, should be capitalising on games like Burton away to close the gap. Its my personal belief, that, if we can't close off teams like Wednesday at Home, its vital we beat teams like Burton away. Also in perspective, both Hull and Burton, had been thoroughly beaten in prior games only for us to scrape a win, and lose. Regardless of refereeing decisions, we need to start finishing off chances we do have, as we dont create half as many as we did last year. I DO think it will get better, but thats only because we've been really poor and at times, fortunate recently.


By worse, do you mean drawing with Wigan 0-0, or losing at home 1-4 at home to Bristol City, after losing to them a few days earlier in the cup, or perhaps you are referring to losing at home to QPR and missing two pens in the process

Well a poster asked us to present facts for this season. We haven't played those yet so its a false equivalence. When we do, we'll have a factual conversation about those games, until them, we can only draw on this seasons results.

Killing the opposition....ha

I think you are missing the point, I deliberately used the term perspectiv e because whilst last seasons results are slightly better, they are not that much better but it remains to be seen as to how that translates, until the end of this season.

[Marcel_Gecov]

Personally think the squad is better than last year. i'm happy with the playing style as we are creating chances. I just think it comes down to mentality with this team. Our confidence is fragile, i think we need to put come characters in the team starting with Mollo and Odoi. I think these two have the right attitude to give to the team at the moment.

Considering how much everyone thought Mollo was a bench player who would never get in the team it's great that now he is viewed as somebody who can sort out this 'problem' we have.

[FFC1987]

They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats.  Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.

It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.

All I ask for factual arguments rather than emotional. Most negativity is based on emotion and can be picked apart fairly simply. Also the fact that those who have a pop then don't post when things are going well also erks me.

It's also always Khans or Klines fault, bad things happen, good things happen, we could be wiped out by North Korea, perspective.

Ok then. factually, we look worse than last year and are dropping points against teams we bested last year. We look toothless, both at home and away and I personally think its down to poor recruitment. We identified key areas and did well to boost said areas but having not had a striker recently and adequate replacements for starters, its harming our position in the table. We are fortunate to only be 7 points behind top, but, in my humble opinion, should be capitalising on games like Burton away to close the gap. Its my personal belief, that, if we can't close off teams like Wednesday at Home, its vital we beat teams like Burton away. Also in perspective, both Hull and Burton, had been thoroughly beaten in prior games only for us to scrape a win, and lose. Regardless of refereeing decisions, we need to start finishing off chances we do have, as we dont create half as many as we did last year. I DO think it will get better, but thats only because we've been really poor and at times, fortunate recently.


By worse, do you mean drawing with Wigan 0-0, or losing at home 1-4 at home to Bristol City, after losing to them a few days earlier in the cup, or perhaps you are referring to losing at home to QPR and missing two pens in the process

Well a poster asked us to present facts for this season. We haven't played those yet so its a false equivalence. When we do, we'll have a factual conversation about those games, until them, we can only draw on this seasons results.

Killing the opposition....ha

I think you are missing the point, I deliberately used the term perspectiv e because whilst last seasons results are slightly better, they are not that much better but it remains to be seen as to how that translates, until the end of this season.

Actually, I was replying to another poster using my perspective on factual results. You replied to me with, what I call, irrelevant games from last season. Right now, we're dropping points against teams we didn't last year and relying on us picking up points against the toughest opposition, like say Newcastle last year, but until we see the actual results, its hard to speculate. Burton away and Sheffield at home and a number of draws, regardless of circumstance, will make our journey for automatic top 2, likely, out of our reach. Lots still to play for though, i'm just not convinced we're up to the task, especially right now.