Arbeloa

[Sting of the North]

I'm willing to bet he can spend £65 million in the Spanish market a lot better than Silva did in the English market with Andersen and Smith-Rowe 😉

Based on what? His non-existent experience of working the transfer market?

[cookieg]

I'm willing to bet he can spend £65 million in the Spanish market a lot better than Silva did in the English market with Andersen and Smith-Rowe 😉

Based on what? His non-existent experience of working the transfer market?

Silva's experience in the transfer market didn't exactly work out with those players.

[Twig]

I'm willing to bet he can spend £65 million in the Spanish market a lot better than Silva did in the English market with Andersen and Smith-Rowe 😉

Ok fan boy, on what basis can you make that assertion?

[Sting of the North]

I'm willing to bet he can spend £65 million in the Spanish market a lot better than Silva did in the English market with Andersen and Smith-Rowe 😉

Based on what? His non-existent experience of working the transfer market?

Silva's experience in the transfer market didn't exactly work out with those players.

Sure, that's not an unreasonable opinion. Doesn't make Arbeloa any more experienced though.

[Cambridge Away]

His record for the A team

Manager      Years         Win Rate
Manuel Pellegrini 2009–10 ~75%
José Mourinho 2010–13 ~72%
Carlo Ancelotti 2013–15, 2021–25 ~70%
Miguel Muñoz 1960–74 ~68%
Rafael Benítez 2015–16 ~67%
Zinedine Zidane 2016–18, 2019–21 ~66%
Alvaro Arbeloa 2026 64.3%
Fabio Capello 1996–97, 2006–07 ~62%
Vicente del Bosque 1999–2003 ~55–60%
Jupp Heynckes 1997–98 ~59%
Bernd Schuster 2007–08 ~58%
Julen Lopetegui 2018 ~43%



Real Madrid B Team

Manager      Matches     Win Rate
Míchel   61   —   ~61%
Juan Ramón López Caro   178   —   ~57%
Manolo Díaz   30   —   ~53%
Álvaro Arbeloa   19   10   52.6%
Luis García Plaza   35   —   ~47%
Alberto Toril   114   —   ~46%
Raúl González   178   71   ~40%
Santiago Solari   86   —   ~39–40%
Zinedine Zidane   80   —   ~38–39%
Luis Miguel Ramis   40   —   ~35–40%

Doesn't look like much of a risk from here

Alonso when he was sacked was on 70% and only managed 34 games with the same madrid squard

So he was two wins short of being on par with Alonso, whilst playing youngsters? Doesn't exactly seem like Felix Magath. This article even mentions him in the same breath as Pep:

"Coach Álvaro Arbeloa is suddenly responsible for the greatest influx of young talent into Real Madrid's first team in living memory. And it has taken less than nine weeks, never mind nine months' gestation, of him in charge to produce it. Los Blancos' drive to win LaLiga, plus their push for the Champions League quarterfinals, is being sustained by a clutch of teenagers: Thiago Pitarch (18 years old), Dani Yáñez (18), Jorge Cestero (19), Víctor Valdepeñas (18) and Diego Aguado (19), while César Palacios (21) and Manuel Ángel (22) have been hauled up from the B team and given debuts."
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/48219008/alvaro-arbeloa-real-madrid-youth-revolution-straight-manchester-city-barcelona-pep-guardiola-playbook

[General]

I'm willing to bet he can spend £65 million in the Spanish market a lot better than Silva did in the English market with Andersen and Smith-Rowe 😉

Based on what? His non-existent experience of working the transfer market?

Silva's experience in the transfer market didn't exactly work out with those players.

Firstly, that's an ongoing point as they're both still players for us and we've a new manager who could get more out of them.

Secondly, whilst Andersen has his detractors, he's been an ever-present for us and played most games, which would be considered out and out a successful signing to the degree he's been consistent for us as a starter in the PL in seasons we've consistently been competing for Europe and got our PL record points total.

Thirdly, why are you weakening your argument by not including other players he signed and also being realistic with the fact that no manager, including Klopp and Guardiola etc, hires success stories with every hire. That's almost an impossibility.

What about Wilson, Jimenez, Iwobi, Bassey.., Castagne, Cuenca, Leno, I mean even then the hit rate is pretty high.

Kevin, a resuscitated Sessegnon, Bobb

I for one think ESR showed improvement last season and has still room for more too.

[C Block]

I'm willing to bet he can spend £65 million in the Spanish market a lot better than Silva did in the English market with Andersen and Smith-Rowe 😉

Based on what? His non-existent experience of working the transfer market?

You have absolutely no understanding of the meaning of the phrase "I'm willing to bet" have you ? 😣

[C Block]

I'm willing to bet he can spend £65 million in the Spanish market a lot better than Silva did in the English market with Andersen and Smith-Rowe 😉

Based on what? His non-existent experience of working the transfer market?

Silva's experience in the transfer market didn't exactly work out with those players.

Firstly, that's an ongoing point as they're both still players for us and we've a new manager who could get more out of them.

Secondly, whilst Andersen has his detractors, he's been an ever-present for us and played most games, which would be considered out and out a successful signing to the degree he's been consistent for us as a starter in the PL in seasons we've consistently been competing for Europe and got our PL record points total.

Thirdly, why are you weakening your argument by not including other players he signed and also being realistic with the fact that no manager, including Klopp and Guardiola etc, hires success stories with every hire. That's almost an impossibility.

What about Wilson, Jimenez, Iwobi, Bassey.., Castagne, Cuenca, Leno, I mean even then the hit rate is pretty high.

Kevin, a resuscitated Sessegnon, Bobb

I for one think ESR showed improvement last season and has still room for more too.

Firstly, and most obviously, Emile Smith-Rowe will never show signs of improvement until he can regularly play 90 minutes, an absolute minimum requirement for a professional footballer, so that's a ridiculous statement to make,£35 million and he barely lasts an hour, and absolutely terrible signing.
Of all the others you listed how much profit could we make on that lot ? I'm leaning towards not a lot,
Iraola has this ability to unearth players from obscurity and make them valuable assets, Silva was tending to pay top dollar for players, meaning that the next manager has very little wriggle room in the summer window.
Please let's not try and rewrite history, for all the many positives of Marco Silva, his wheeling and dealing in the transfer window is at best questionable, surely we can all agree on that ?

[Sting of the North]

I'm willing to bet he can spend £65 million in the Spanish market a lot better than Silva did in the English market with Andersen and Smith-Rowe 😉

Based on what? His non-existent experience of working the transfer market?

You have absolutely no understanding of the meaning of the phrase "I'm willing to bet" have you ? 😣

Normally, one would expect some kind of reasoning behind a willingness to bet...

[Oakeshott]

"Normally, one would expect some kind of reasoning behind a willingness to bet..."

Perhaps a sense that Arbeloa couldn't do much worse with £60m+. Let's face it, since returning to us from Palace Anderson has rarely looked the player he seemed to be before and ESR's overall performances have been underwhelming. It is not so much the contributions but the contributions given the cost. Had we got either player for £10m or less, I think we would all be happy enough to have them as squad players, but £30m+ for a player is a huge investment for a club our size and one would hope to have seen more for the money.

 

[JimmyConway]

On the fence with this if it was to be Arbeloa? Just have this thought that being relatively inexperienced and I wouldn't hold Real Madrid position against him might suit TK and his recruitment team as opposed to him being the right man for the job?
Get the feeling he might accept the position with a lot less say than his predecessor with regards to recruitment which might suit a fair few within the club?

Could be way far off here but when I saw him linked and the rumours last day or so it just felt like someone who's desperate to get back in and would accept position in any circumstance? Going Spanish has proved popular lately and I wonder if this has a bearing should it happen.

The TK interview the other day has me less convinced than I ever was about the recruitment side of FFC.

[Sting of the North]

"Normally, one would expect some kind of reasoning behind a willingness to bet..."

Perhaps a sense that Arbeloa couldn't do much worse with £60m+. Let's face it, since returning to us from Palace Anderson has rarely looked the player he seemed to be before and ESR's overall performances have been underwhelming. It is not so much the contributions but the contributions given the cost. Had we got either player for £10m or less, I think we would all be happy enough to have them as squad players, but £30m+ for a player is a huge investment for a club our size and one would hope to have seen more for the money.

 

Sure, there can be arguments against Silva's transfer success (not that I necessarily agree fully). Personally, however, I would not use "he can surely not be worse than the last guy" as a very strong argument for a candidate. 

[Colinwhite]

All this speculating on everything from Tony Khan to potential knowledge of various markets. Let's face we all know zilch in all of these questions! We have to hope the club gets it right when it comes to appointing a new trainer and no doubt the people wanting rid of Marco silva will be the first ones to start moaning if things don't look great after our new couches first couple of weeks.

[SimonDaviesEnjoyer]

The more I think about it, the more I like the Arbeloa idea.

Hopefully they can get it done this weekend.

[alfie]

Think this could be a disastrous appointment and it's very odd to see the loudest anti silva voices endorsing it

Equally it could be a brilliant signing, who knows ?

[C Block]

On the fence with this if it was to be Arbeloa? Just have this thought that being relatively inexperienced and I wouldn't hold Real Madrid position against him might suit TK and his recruitment team as opposed to him being the right man for the job?
Get the feeling he might accept the position with a lot less say than his predecessor with regards to recruitment which might suit a fair few within the club?

Could be way far off here but when I saw him linked and the rumours last day or so it just felt like someone who's desperate to get back in and would accept position in any circumstance? Going Spanish has proved popular lately and I wonder if this has a bearing should it happen.

The TK interview the other day has me less convinced than I ever was about the recruitment side of FFC.

In the TK interview the other day he made it crystal clear that apart from one player (Anguissa) all the other signings were down to the manager.

[StuinSalop]

To the people bashing ESR, have you ever thought that his fairly safe approach could be the coaching and keep ball tactics of Marco.  I want ESR and others to take more risks, he hardly ever gives the ball away because of his safety first style.  2nd point, who says he can't go 90 minutes, of course he can but when you have Josh King busting a gut to have 20 mins what's wrong with that rotation.

[Deuce]

His record for the A team

Manager      Years         Win Rate
Manuel Pellegrini 2009–10 ~75%
José Mourinho 2010–13 ~72%
Carlo Ancelotti 2013–15, 2021–25 ~70%
Miguel Muñoz 1960–74 ~68%
Rafael Benítez 2015–16 ~67%
Zinedine Zidane 2016–18, 2019–21 ~66%
Alvaro Arbeloa 2026 64.3%
Fabio Capello 1996–97, 2006–07 ~62%
Vicente del Bosque 1999–2003 ~55–60%
Jupp Heynckes 1997–98 ~59%
Bernd Schuster 2007–08 ~58%
Julen Lopetegui 2018 ~43%



Real Madrid B Team

Manager      Matches     Win Rate
Míchel   61   —   ~61%
Juan Ramón López Caro   178   —   ~57%
Manolo Díaz   30   —   ~53%
Álvaro Arbeloa   19   10   52.6%
Luis García Plaza   35   —   ~47%
Alberto Toril   114   —   ~46%
Raúl González   178   71   ~40%
Santiago Solari   86   —   ~39–40%
Zinedine Zidane   80   —   ~38–39%
Luis Miguel Ramis   40   —   ~35–40%

Doesn't look like much of a risk from here

Now this list doesnt say much, unless you want to make it look like Arbeloa is as good a manager as Zidane.

Take into account for how many games theyve managed and also what they won, and arguably also take into account of what the specific Real Madrid side looked like.

Of all of those managers mentioned, only 3 failed to win a major throphy:
Pellegrini, Lopetegui and Arbeloa.

Pellegrini got 96 points in his season, only beaten by arguably the best side the world have ever seen in Peps Barcelona (they got 99 points).

Lopetegui only managed 14 games before getting sacked. Real had a good side but had just sold CR7 and not replaced him. It took time before Benzema became the striker he eventually became and Real started flourish without Ronaldo


Not taking any sides, but I dont like random stats without any context

[JimmyConway]

On the fence with this if it was to be Arbeloa? Just have this thought that being relatively inexperienced and I wouldn't hold Real Madrid position against him might suit TK and his recruitment team as opposed to him being the right man for the job?
Get the feeling he might accept the position with a lot less say than his predecessor with regards to recruitment which might suit a fair few within the club?

Could be way far off here but when I saw him linked and the rumours last day or so it just felt like someone who's desperate to get back in and would accept position in any circumstance? Going Spanish has proved popular lately and I wonder if this has a bearing should it happen.

The TK interview the other day has me less convinced than I ever was about the recruitment side of FFC.

In the TK interview the other day he made it crystal clear that apart from one player (Anguissa) all the other signings were down to the manager.

I think he mentioned Slav not wanting him? But still signed him over the manager's head. I would be quite confident there has been more than just one signing his left at the manager's door? Don't remember him saying Anguissa was only one he signed certainly not crystal clear. It's the only one he mentioned. He did say that in last five years he has not made a signing without manager consent? Perhaps having a strong manager in Marco saved us from Tony's Tombola?

[Jim©]

CB you say `Iraola has this ability to unearth players from obscurity and make them valuable assets`, that's  definitely the scouting and data set up at afc Bournemouth, not iraola.
We also use data but you could see Silvas reluctance to use players like kusu asare that were found using it.
Not saying ours is as good at all, but we don't embrace it like other clubs.