NFR Piers Morgan V Alex Jones - Deport Piers

[epsomraver]

I will never forgive that twit for publishing false pictures of British army soldiers supposedly beating Iraqi civilians which led to more soldiers losing their lives :014:

[Bumpy]

No that's a reasonable response from someone who has had a think, my guess is i could get a much more angry response from a less informed and more vocal member of the brit tribe...

I think you'll find they moved to Wales following a spat with the Romans.

[hesedmedia]

Guys! Hey guys! I've got a -- Listen, guys, listen -- I've got an idea -- get this -- we take -- Guys! Hey! -- let's get the two loudest and least intelligent spokespeople for two sides of a debate that is already guaranteed to devolve into mouth-foaming ad hominem and put those two guys on tv.

[EJL]

Guys! Hey guys! I've got a -- Listen, guys, listen -- I've got an idea -- get this -- we take -- Guys! Hey! -- let's get the two loudest and least intelligent spokespeople for two sides of a debate that is already guaranteed to devolve into mouth-foaming ad hominem and put those two guys on tv.

You know what, I think you might be on to something...  :dft012:

I would rather have Robbie Savage shout in my ear for ten hours straight than listen to that. It's just noise.

[YankeeJim]

Somebody once said that you should never argue with a fool because no one watching would be able to tell the difference. Morgan was doing his best to bait Jones so he could hang him out to dry. Hence, the repeated question. Jones wouldn't fall for that and just went out and got his own rope to hang himself with. Morgan is what passes for main stream news in America. Ask questions designed to elicite the response you want that enables you to get to your pre-conceived  position. Piers Morgan is a hack. Jones is likely a candidate to be an "ultra" for Milwall.

Tell ya'll what, you take Morgan back & we'll toss in Jones.

[McBridefan1]

No that's a reasonable response from someone who has had a think, my guess is i could get a much more angry response from a less informed and more vocal member of the brit tribe...

I think you'll find they moved to Wales following a spat with the Romans.

Well obviously that was me goading nogood boyo into a fracas...

[Nth Degree]

No that's a reasonable response from someone who has had a think, my guess is i could get a much more angry response from a less informed and more vocal member of the brit tribe...

I think you'll find they moved to Wales following a spat with the Romans.

Well obviously that was me goading nogood boyo into a fracas...

Careful! Boyos will unite and herd you Baaahhack to fence you came!

[McBridefan1]

No that's a reasonable response from someone who has had a think, my guess is i could get a much more angry response from a less informed and more vocal member of the brit tribe...

I think you'll find they moved to Wales following a spat with the Romans.

Well obviously that was me goading nogood boyo into a fracas...

Careful! Boyos will unite and herd you Baaahhack to fence you came!

That's ruff... I know he has some bad ass bitches in his crew... taf001

[Jack Fulham]

Morgan's made a career out of being a troll. The other guy has probably done the same with conspiracy theories. Got bored after 5 mins or so. Embarrassing that either of them made it on national television.

[Logicalman]

Somebody once said that you should never argue with a fool because no one watching would be able to tell the difference. Morgan was doing his best to bait Jones so he could hang him out to dry. Hence, the repeated question. Jones wouldn't fall for that and just went out and got his own rope to hang himself with. Morgan is what passes for main stream news in America. Ask questions designed to elicite the response you want that enables you to get to your pre-conceived  position. Piers Morgan is a hack. Jones is likely a candidate to be an "ultra" for Milwall.

Tell ya'll what, you take Morgan back & we'll toss in Jones.

Nah, they're onto you already with that petition to keep Piers this side of the pond.


Thinking on that interview though, what do you reckon on Paxman vs Jones? Now that would be worth watching (if you don't know who Paxman is just lookup YouTube for his interview with Blair )

[Berserker]

I think a Island in the middle of nowhere would be best then neither of the countries has to put up with him. Also no internet connection or phone so he can't do a Assange

[LordNelson]

The Unburstable Bubble of Willful Ignorance of the International Self-Purported Elites

With regard to Piers Morgan, there is a certain level of pride that attaches to being ignorant of those one considers his inferiors. After all, it's the natural duty of the simple shopkeeper to know the names of the Great Lords, but it is not the duty of the Great Lords to know the names of the shopkeepers. In fact, it's the Great Lords' class obligation to go out of their way not to know the names of the shopkeepers, because this Duty to Know flows in one direction -- upwards -- and hence ignorance of one's lessers tends to solidify and reify the assumptions of certain castes being superior to others. It makes certain that everyone understands who's important, and who's not.

(I know, I sound like a communist-- I can't help it. I have to agree with Dennis the Peasant -- "I mean, class is what it's all about." I guess I would say I'm agreeing with the communist critique of the rigid reification of class structures, but I happen to think the communists and their pink fellow travelers have largely captured the upper classes. I guess by my theory they're so good at this because they've spent so long plotting vengeance for the exact same slights (which they largely imagined). In a similar way they've gotten quite good at blacklisting and guilt-by-association, eh?)

At any rate, it is your duty to know the values and customs of living of Piers Morgan, but due to his high station (ahem) he is proudly ignorant of yours. As is so often the case in our increasingly dysfunctional and nasty politics -- in which certain parties refuse to even admit that their opponents are free citizens entitled to have beliefs at all -- the Out-Classes are deemed all-but-officially Beneath Notice.

Michael Totten has written a crackerjack piece -- or at least I think it is -- about this principle in action among our foreign policy sages, the internationalist "elite." He detects the exact same sort of phenomenon going on when the International "elite" visit foreign nations -- because anyone who doesn't share 90% of their cultural values (and the wealth that permits/encourages these values -- the International Elite is not middle-class!) is beneath notice and not worth knowing about, they don't bother asking anyone but the 3% of the population which largely shares their beliefs and cultural inputs about their intentions and their political agenda.

Which means, in Egypt, they only ask the jet-setting wealthy Westernized elite about the prognosis for Egyptian democracy. And in Lebanon, they only ask the educated, urbane population of Beirut about their desires for the country.

And they ignore all the "Dirty People," the low people who aren't worth networking with and probably wouldn't be any fun to have a sexual affair with. Unfortunately -- and this has huge consequences for American foreign policy -- it turns out those Dirty Poor People greatly, greatly outnumber the small coteries of educated elites that cluster in every capital country.

And we don't know about them, because they're Beneath Notice, and our elites are too busy clinking champagne glasses in the main ballroom of the local Ritz-Carlton franchise.

And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor -- come back with completely-wrong information about foreign countries.

Why, as Totten says (changing the words a bit), "All of these Egyptians are swell, educated, moderate, sexually-loose cosmopolitans! Why, democracy has a smashing chance of working out here!"

Yeah, not so much. Not so much.

Yet Another Example... of our current practice of making important policy decisions based upon little except the learned habit of ostentatious class disdain.

You notice that at this late date, with a major policy campaign against the dreaded Semi. Automatic. Weapon., that most of these guys still haven't bothered to discover what a semi-automatic is?

That's a learned habit. They are signalling to other members of their class (or the class they aspire to) that they consider such knowledge base, the sort of thing known by the dirty callous-handed illiterates of the rabble and certainly not by the Lords of Intellect.

I mean, it's like a recipe for 'Possum Stew. To even know the thing would reduce you in status. Knowledge about guns is something the lower classes have; the criminal class, the agrarian workers (the peasantry), the lesser Servitor Classes of policemen and armed guards and military betas.

What could possibly explain such ignorance at this point, except a calculated, learned ignorance of the habits of one's putative lessers?

(Plagerized from Ace of Spades Blog)

[YankeeJim]

Somebody once said that you should never argue with a fool because no one watching would be able to tell the difference. Morgan was doing his best to bait Jones so he could hang him out to dry. Hence, the repeated question. Jones wouldn't fall for that and just went out and got his own rope to hang himself with. Morgan is what passes for main stream news in America. Ask questions designed to elicite the response you want that enables you to get to your pre-conceived  position. Piers Morgan is a hack. Jones is likely a candidate to be an "ultra" for Milwall.

Tell ya'll what, you take Morgan back & we'll toss in Jones.

Nah, they're onto you already with that petition to keep Piers this side of the pond.


Thinking on that interview though, what do you reckon on Paxman vs Jones? Now that would be worth watching (if you don't know who Paxman is just lookup YouTube for his interview with Blair )

Jones v. Paxman would be similar to Morgan v. Jones. It should be the other way around; Paxman v. Morgan. Two "alledged intellectual" snobs having a go at each other would be interesting only to the 3% of elites LordNelson mentioned. Jones could take on the average QPR fan. Now that would be like watching the Dempsey forums of a few months ago, after everyone had a half dozen pints.

[hesedmedia]

The Unburstable Bubble of Willful Ignorance of the International Self-Purported Elites

With regard to Piers Morgan, there is a certain level of pride that attaches to being ignorant of those one considers his inferiors. After all, it's the natural duty of the simple shopkeeper to know the names of the Great Lords, but it is not the duty of the Great Lords to know the names of the shopkeepers. In fact, it's the Great Lords' class obligation to go out of their way not to know the names of the shopkeepers, because this Duty to Know flows in one direction -- upwards -- and hence ignorance of one's lessers tends to solidify and reify the assumptions of certain castes being superior to others. It makes certain that everyone understands who's important, and who's not.

(I know, I sound like a communist-- I can't help it. I have to agree with Dennis the Peasant -- "I mean, class is what it's all about." I guess I would say I'm agreeing with the communist critique of the rigid reification of class structures, but I happen to think the communists and their pink fellow travelers have largely captured the upper classes. I guess by my theory they're so good at this because they've spent so long plotting vengeance for the exact same slights (which they largely imagined). In a similar way they've gotten quite good at blacklisting and guilt-by-association, eh?)

At any rate, it is your duty to know the values and customs of living of Piers Morgan, but due to his high station (ahem) he is proudly ignorant of yours. As is so often the case in our increasingly dysfunctional and nasty politics -- in which certain parties refuse to even admit that their opponents are free citizens entitled to have beliefs at all -- the Out-Classes are deemed all-but-officially Beneath Notice.

Michael Totten has written a crackerjack piece -- or at least I think it is -- about this principle in action among our foreign policy sages, the internationalist "elite." He detects the exact same sort of phenomenon going on when the International "elite" visit foreign nations -- because anyone who doesn't share 90% of their cultural values (and the wealth that permits/encourages these values -- the International Elite is not middle-class!) is beneath notice and not worth knowing about, they don't bother asking anyone but the 3% of the population which largely shares their beliefs and cultural inputs about their intentions and their political agenda.

Which means, in Egypt, they only ask the jet-setting wealthy Westernized elite about the prognosis for Egyptian democracy. And in Lebanon, they only ask the educated, urbane population of Beirut about their desires for the country.

And they ignore all the "Dirty People," the low people who aren't worth networking with and probably wouldn't be any fun to have a sexual affair with. Unfortunately -- and this has huge consequences for American foreign policy -- it turns out those Dirty Poor People greatly, greatly outnumber the small coteries of educated elites that cluster in every capital country.

And we don't know about them, because they're Beneath Notice, and our elites are too busy clinking champagne glasses in the main ballroom of the local Ritz-Carlton franchise.

And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor -- come back with completely-wrong information about foreign countries.

Why, as Totten says (changing the words a bit), "All of these Egyptians are swell, educated, moderate, sexually-loose cosmopolitans! Why, democracy has a smashing chance of working out here!"

Yeah, not so much. Not so much.

Yet Another Example... of our current practice of making important policy decisions based upon little except the learned habit of ostentatious class disdain.

You notice that at this late date, with a major policy campaign against the dreaded Semi. Automatic. Weapon., that most of these guys still haven't bothered to discover what a semi-automatic is?

That's a learned habit. They are signalling to other members of their class (or the class they aspire to) that they consider such knowledge base, the sort of thing known by the dirty callous-handed illiterates of the rabble and certainly not by the Lords of Intellect.

I mean, it's like a recipe for 'Possum Stew. To even know the thing would reduce you in status. Knowledge about guns is something the lower classes have; the criminal class, the agrarian workers (the peasantry), the lesser Servitor Classes of policemen and armed guards and military betas.

What could possibly explain such ignorance at this point, except a calculated, learned ignorance of the habits of one's putative lessers?

(Plagerized from Ace of Spades Blog)

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[Peabody]

Somebody once said that you should never argue with a fool because no one watching would be able to tell the difference. Morgan was doing his best to bait Jones so he could hang him out to dry. Hence, the repeated question. Jones wouldn't fall for that and just went out and got his own rope to hang himself with. Morgan is what passes for main stream news in America. Ask questions designed to elicite the response you want that enables you to get to your pre-conceived  position. Piers Morgan is a hack. Jones is likely a candidate to be an "ultra" for Milwall.

Tell ya'll what, you take Morgan back & we'll toss in Jones.


Well you are not having our Alex Jones in return...she's ours.

[Logicalman]

...... Knowledge about guns is something the lower classes have; the criminal class, the agrarian workers (the peasantry), the lesser Servitor Classes of policemen and armed guards and military betas.

.. interestingly enough though, it was solely the elite class (3% per your source) that made up the Grouse and Pheasant shoots of my childhood I seem to recall, as the general hand was not able to handle such weapons, and therefore the use and knowledge of such weaponry, in civil society, was that same elitist class.

The rest of it is pretty close to spot on though.  :plus one:

[Logicalman]

Somebody once said that you should never argue with a fool because no one watching would be able to tell the difference. Morgan was doing his best to bait Jones so he could hang him out to dry. Hence, the repeated question. Jones wouldn't fall for that and just went out and got his own rope to hang himself with. Morgan is what passes for main stream news in America. Ask questions designed to elicite the response you want that enables you to get to your pre-conceived  position. Piers Morgan is a hack. Jones is likely a candidate to be an "ultra" for Milwall.

Tell ya'll what, you take Morgan back & we'll toss in Jones.

Nah, they're onto you already with that petition to keep Piers this side of the pond.


Thinking on that interview though, what do you reckon on Paxman vs Jones? Now that would be worth watching (if you don't know who Paxman is just lookup YouTube for his interview with Blair )

Jones v. Paxman would be similar to Morgan v. Jones. It should be the other way around; Paxman v. Morgan. Two "alledged intellectual" snobs having a go at each other would be interesting only to the 3% of elites LordNelson mentioned. Jones could take on the average QPR fan. Now that would be like watching the Dempsey forums of a few months ago, after everyone had a half dozen pints.

My only wish is that we soon see some 'serious' interviewers on TV in the US, in the likes of Dimbleby, Paxman, et al. The news coverage appears more sound bites than information, or it is so pre-politicized it almost becomes meaningless to watch, because you know whats gonna happen. Interestingly enough though, on our recent trip down to FL, the morning news was like a breath of fresh air compared to that we get up north here, with a professional attitude that treats the news stories as they should, with a touch of sensitivity and seriousness, compared to the, generally, entry-level comedians that believe they are presenters.