Hammersmith End season tickets !

[Riversider]

Here are the prices,
H3 H4 H5 H6.  £382
H2 H7             £305
H1 H8             £254
My question is this , with thousands of empty seats in The Hammersmith End this season, and that figure to grow next season, why would anybody pay £382 for a season ticket, when they can easily pay one of the two lower prices ,and then when theyre in ,simply move to one of the thousands of empty seats ?
Anybody know ?

[Patrick]

Actually ALL of the people in my vicinity in H7 will be renewing the ST's..

[madffc]

its a good idea, very rarely this season have all the seats around me been occupied..

[Jimpav]

The 15% reduction is sounding loud alarm bells.

The accompanying e-mail sent out the club didn't even make any promises of another season in the Championship - this does not suggest much faith in the current set up. It had very little optimism for a marketing e-mail.

Also, I noted that they are not accepting new season ticket bookings in the Putney End (only renewals). I guess it makes sense to concentrate support in the home areas if you are anticipating a drop in support.

[MJG]

The 15% reduction is sounding loud alarm bells.

The accompanying e-mail sent out the club didn't even make any promises of another season in the Championship - this does not suggest much faith in the current set up. It had very little optimism for a marketing e-mail.

Also, I noted that they are not accepting new season ticket bookings in the Putney End (only renewals). I guess it makes sense to concentrate support in the home areas if you are anticipating a drop in support.

Let's say Khan had written he expects nothing less than top six next season, would have have appeased you? I'm just interested in people's expectations.

[Riversider]

The 15% reduction is sounding loud alarm bells.

The accompanying e-mail sent out the club didn't even make any promises of another season in the Championship - this does not suggest much faith in the current set up. It had very little optimism for a marketing e-mail.

Also, I noted that they are not accepting new season ticket bookings in the Putney End (only renewals). I guess it makes sense to concentrate support in the home areas if you are anticipating a drop in support.

Let's say Khan had written he expects nothing less than top six next season, would have have appeased you? I'm just interested in people's expectations.

Yes, would have given me a much needed lift, as its a positive statement that shows intent, something he hasnt done once ever since he took over !
Lets not forget his opening speech that sunny day on the Craven Cottage pitch was all about "sustainability" and nothing at all to do with "Ambition"

[Berserker]

Well I've decided to stay in my seats in the Putney end at £305. The views are very good and at most games this year you can actually move to sit where you want. If I moved to equivalent view of H3 I would have to pay more, £382, therefore with 2 seats that would be £160 extra

[CorkCity]

I often get the cheapest ticket available an nip into the Riverside before kick off, but don't tell anyone !!!

[Riversider]

Or you could buy a season ticket in H7 with the Fulham supporters and do the same thing !
Next season Fulham will hand The Putney End over to Bristol City, Brentford and QPR (if they come down)

[Riversider]

I often get the cheapest ticket available an nip into the Riverside before kick off, but don't tell anyone !!!

Fair play to you, same thing applies in The Riverside, buy a ticket in SL and then help yourself !

[shnlwswlkr]

I've just ordered my first season ticket since I was a wee lad! Finally living back in London and super excited to get down the cottage so much next season and I've got one in H6. £409 is still a bargain in my eyes.

[MJG]

The 15% reduction is sounding loud alarm bells.

The accompanying e-mail sent out the club didn't even make any promises of another season in the Championship - this does not suggest much faith in the current set up. It had very little optimism for a marketing e-mail.

Also, I noted that they are not accepting new season ticket bookings in the Putney End (only renewals). I guess it makes sense to concentrate support in the home areas if you are anticipating a drop in support.

Let's say Khan had written he expects nothing less than top six next season, would have have appeased you? I'm just interested in people's expectations.

Yes, would have given me a much needed lift, as its a positive statement that shows intent, something he hasnt done once ever since he took over !
Lets not forget his opening speech that sunny day on the Craven Cottage pitch was all about "sustainability" and nothing at all to do with "Ambition"

Well net spend on transfers in his first year was just over 11m.
Now we showed a small loss of about 200k before transfers and player amortisation but with that taken into account the
p&l account for that year shows a 33m loss which with the buyout of MAF and re issue of shares show us about 44m already in debt to shareholders..khan.

Do much for a sustainable club....hes had a shock.

[Riversider]

Not sure "Net" spend was £11 million,
Anyways youve listed all his outgoings but what about the monies he received, how much did we receive last season in The Premier League ? I understand it was more than The Champions from the previous season received !
Whatever his net overall spend is anyway, its a thimble of water in an ocean compared to his personal wealth of £5 Billion !!!
"Sustainability" which was the agenda set out last summer by Khan, led to the firesale of players last summer , and the loss of staff like Robert Ordever, whilest a club like Norwich City, whose backers havent got a fraction of the financial clout of Khan, managed to keep 85% of their squad including Nathan Redmond, and they now stand on the verge of promotion , whilest we are still concerned about relegation !!
Well done Norwich, a very well run club indeed !

[TheManOnTheBus]

I often get the cheapest ticket available an nip into the Riverside before kick off, but don't tell anyone !!!

I tried that in JH a few weeks ago (forget which game).  Got a really sneery "That's not your seat" (with a look of: you scum) from one of the neighbours (not even the ST holder for the seat) .....

[H4usuallysitting]

Am I wrong, but didn't last years St Include a couple of cup games......?

[MJG]

Not sure "Net" spend was £11 million,
Anyways youve listed all his outgoings but what about the monies he received, how much did we receive last season in The Premier League ? I understand it was more than The Champions from the previous season received !
Whatever his net overall spend is anyway, its a thimble of water in an ocean compared to his personal wealth of £5 Billion !!!
"Sustainability" which was the agenda set out last summer by Khan, led to the firesale of players last summer , and the loss of staff like Robert Ordever, whilest a club like Norwich City, whose backers havent got a fraction of the financial clout of Khan, managed to keep 85% of their squad including Nathan Redmond, and they now stand on the verge of promotion , whilest we are still concerned about relegation !!
Well done Norwich, a very well run club indeed !

Norwich are a very good example to Base us against. And as I keep pointing out they have been a yo yo club so have a better handle on controlling their contracts for relegation and promotion.
Both clubs pretty much had the same income last season.. Ours was
Turnover 13/14 was 92m
Wages 68.5m
Net operating loss was 200k
Overall profit and loss was 33m
73% of our revenues came from the PL.. Sky etc. That was up from 67% of revenues previous season.

Expenditure was  92.2 including wages and transfer fees plus other costs.

[FFCAli]

Am I wrong, but didn't last years St Include a couple of cup games......?

That's right.  First 2 home cup games.  Funny how the club hasn't mentioned that.

[Apprentice to the Maestro]

Not sure "Net" spend was £11 million,
Anyways youve listed all his outgoings but what about the monies he received, how much did we receive last season in The Premier League ? I understand it was more than The Champions from the previous season received !
Whatever his net overall spend is anyway, its a thimble of water in an ocean compared to his personal wealth of £5 Billion !!!
"Sustainability" which was the agenda set out last summer by Khan, led to the firesale of players last summer , and the loss of staff like Robert Ordever, whilest a club like Norwich City, whose backers havent got a fraction of the financial clout of Khan, managed to keep 85% of their squad including Nathan Redmond, and they now stand on the verge of promotion , whilest we are still concerned about relegation !!
Well done Norwich, a very well run club indeed !

Norwich are a very good example to Base us against. And as I keep pointing out they have been a yo yo club so have a better handle on controlling their contracts for relegation and promotion.
Both clubs pretty much had the same income last season.. Ours was
Turnover 13/14 was 92m
Wages 68.5m
Net operating loss was 200k
Overall profit and loss was 33m
73% of our revenues came from the PL.. Sky etc. That was up from 67% of revenues previous season.

Expenditure was  92.2 including wages and transfer fees plus other costs.

Sorry but could you please explain what these losses mean for me.

I am assuming money in from all sources was £92m and money out was £92.2 so our loss was the £0.2m = £200k.

So what is the overall profit and loss of £33m?

[MJG]

Not sure "Net" spend was £11 million,
Anyways youve listed all his outgoings but what about the monies he received, how much did we receive last season in The Premier League ? I understand it was more than The Champions from the previous season received !
Whatever his net overall spend is anyway, its a thimble of water in an ocean compared to his personal wealth of £5 Billion !!!
"Sustainability" which was the agenda set out last summer by Khan, led to the firesale of players last summer , and the loss of staff like Robert Ordever, whilest a club like Norwich City, whose backers havent got a fraction of the financial clout of Khan, managed to keep 85% of their squad including Nathan Redmond, and they now stand on the verge of promotion , whilest we are still concerned about relegation !!
Well done Norwich, a very well run club indeed !

Norwich are a very good example to Base us against. And as I keep pointing out they have been a yo yo club so have a better handle on controlling their contracts for relegation and promotion.
Both clubs pretty much had the same income last season.. Ours was
Turnover 13/14 was 92m
Wages 68.5m
Net operating loss was 200k
Overall profit and loss was 33m
73% of our revenues came from the PL.. Sky etc. That was up from 67% of revenues previous season.

Expenditure was  92.2 including wages and transfer fees plus other costs.

Sorry but could you please explain what these losses mean for me.

I am assuming money in from all sources was £92m and money out was £92.2 so our loss was the £0.2m = £200k.

So what is the overall profit and loss of £33m?

The 33m is once you take into account player amortisation and reduction in player values. This is all in the P&L which shows a 33m loss.
The 200k loss is before these are taken into account,  which is really paper losses.
For example a player in the prem (roberts)  was valued at 8m.
Now in the championship his paper value could be 4m. Hence a loss of 4m year on year as the assist has devalued.

[Apprentice to the Maestro]

Not sure "Net" spend was £11 million,
Anyways youve listed all his outgoings but what about the monies he received, how much did we receive last season in The Premier League ? I understand it was more than The Champions from the previous season received !
Whatever his net overall spend is anyway, its a thimble of water in an ocean compared to his personal wealth of £5 Billion !!!
"Sustainability" which was the agenda set out last summer by Khan, led to the firesale of players last summer , and the loss of staff like Robert Ordever, whilest a club like Norwich City, whose backers havent got a fraction of the financial clout of Khan, managed to keep 85% of their squad including Nathan Redmond, and they now stand on the verge of promotion , whilest we are still concerned about relegation !!
Well done Norwich, a very well run club indeed !

Norwich are a very good example to Base us against. And as I keep pointing out they have been a yo yo club so have a better handle on controlling their contracts for relegation and promotion.
Both clubs pretty much had the same income last season.. Ours was
Turnover 13/14 was 92m
Wages 68.5m
Net operating loss was 200k
Overall profit and loss was 33m
73% of our revenues came from the PL.. Sky etc. That was up from 67% of revenues previous season.

Expenditure was  92.2 including wages and transfer fees plus other costs.

Sorry but could you please explain what these losses mean for me.

I am assuming money in from all sources was £92m and money out was £92.2 so our loss was the £0.2m = £200k.

So what is the overall profit and loss of £33m?

The 33m is once you take into account player amortisation and reduction in player values. This is all in the P&L which shows a 33m loss.
The 200k loss is before these are taken into account,  which is really paper losses.
For example a player in the prem (roberts)  was valued at 8m.
Now in the championship his paper value could be 4m. Hence a loss of 4m year on year as the assist has devalued.

Thanks.

So, in terms of cash or money in the bank we lost £200k which is sustainable.

However, in the longer term, and this is what accountancy points out for you, on paper the value of the club is declining as the contracts on players run down indicating that the club is going in the wrong direction.

Presumably if we get promoted or develop a Roberts Mark II or find a Smalling the P&L will swing in the positive direction.